Recaro Vs. Bride

[510-SR20DET]

here is a video of bride rear impact crash test.

YouTube - Bride Rear Impact Crash Test Simulation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Qsd4-8IMo)


and now Recaro:

YouTube - RECARO Rear Impact Crash Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xoauIutCmc&feature=related)


Now, you tell me which seats are better. I don't understand why people spend $1500+ on some garbage Bride seats.

[iamtheyi]

cause they feel comfy :]

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I'd like to see some fixed bucket crash testing.

[jayssmith]

Bride are better ( there super rare) recaro are so common . Stock cars have recaro !!! Sorry I go with Bride

[shiftdrift]

so because they're rare that makes them better? maybe recaro are more common because they're better for safety? but i forgot, it's all looks. hell, i just put my cage in for looks.

[gearhead55]

well if the seat flexes more then it is absorbing more of the force of the impact, you would probably be less injured in the bride. A completely rigid seat wouldn't flex at all but it would send you straight into the dash. I dunno, brides are roughly the same price as recaro now and s chassis cars are already really unsafe, so who cares?

[shiftdrift]

yeah, who cares. it's all about weight reduction. i'm just going to use no seat belt, take the door support bars out, milk crate as a seat, no dash bar, and no floor....i can just put cardboard down or something.

[badicalradical]

There's a reason you see Recaros factory in cars. They pass crash test for factory cars. Brides are F.I.A. approved as also Recaros for racing purposes. There's also alot more to the picture then "absorbing" impact. The seat completely collapsed and there's no saying it won't do that in a front impact, side impact or rollover either. Seats collapsing and other issues like driver and passenger "submarine" (where in an impact the person involved slides down in the seat under the lap belt causing serious injury) are reasons that tracks are making new safety rules. (Stricter seat regulations, 5+ point harnesses, ect. ect. ect.


Both decent seats but if I were concerned about safety, I'd probably go with the brand most of the world and motorsports world trust's and not just an UBER JDM brand that some Japanese motorsports trust.

But the BRIDE's do look goood

[JDMSTYLE]

i like my recaros.

[badicalradical]

nevermind.


Recaro for the win so you can go drifting with babies!!!

[fliprayzin240sx]

I only like reclinables for daily but I prefer Brides over Recaros because of better fitting bolsters. Recaros seem wider for me compared to Brides. Brides hug me all around.

[tricky_ab]

I only like reclinables for daily but I prefer Brides over Recaros because of better fitting bolsters. Recaros seem wider for me compared to Brides. Brides hug me all around.

WOW...Seriously it's like you read my mind :eek: I was going to mention the same thing...

[5pecialist]

The Bride could be a fake? I would like to see videos from an official source before making a final decision.

[wh0aitznic0]

This video is so fucking old.

Both Bride AND Recaro are good shit. It's not like your everyday run of the mill Tenzo R seat. It's all about preferences. Bride is more catered to little Japanese guys that are usually stick figure thin and Recaro as well as Sparco are from Europe (Germany, I believe) therefore made "larger."

I'd rather have a Profi SPG than a Zeta, but that's just me.

[PHAS3D]

I love my bride! That is all... :D

[CamryOnBronze]

I agree with wh0aitznic0 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/wh0aitznic0.html) - they both make great seats and I don't think many people would argue with that. I sort of subscribe to the idea mentioned above that S-chassis cars (specifically s13s) are inherently unsafe. A friend of a friend was killed last summer in his s13 with a stock seat. I'm not saying to ignore the facts or your safety, but it's something to think about.

Obviously spending the money on a Bride or a Recaro is going to leave you in a much better position than a crappy knock off seat, even if one is comparably better than the other.

[udon!]

ive sat in both bride and recaro and loved them both

recaros are really big and comfy and brides really "hug" you

i prefer the bride it fits me perfect i have a size 32 waist.

although if i had a european car id get a recaro

[sirfallsalot243]

yeah, who cares. it's all about weight reduction. i'm just going to use no seat belt, take the door support bars out, milk crate as a seat, no dash bar, and no floor....i can just put cardboard down or something.

Paul Walker knows what you need... Some diamond plate flooring. :rofl:

DANGER TO MANIFOLD!!

[Persona]

You know its quality and safe when there's a disclaimer on their site that if your over 175 pounds they aren't liable for damages/safety due to use.


"Tee's Corporation is not responsible for damage or injuries incurred due to misuse of the seat or person(s) and/or if the load in the seat exceeds 80 kgs or 175lbs."




Yeah Id stick with the recaro, unless you just want to be so JDM you dont care.

[udon!]

most japanese people dont weight over 175lbs.

bride is kinda like japanese premiere racing seat.

[EDT007]

You know its quality and safe when there's a disclaimer on their site that if your over 175 pounds they aren't liable for damages/safety due to use.


"Tee's Corporation is not responsible for damage or injuries incurred due to misuse of the seat or person(s) and/or if the load in the seat exceeds 80 kgs or 175lbs."




Yeah Id stick with the recaro, unless you just want to be so JDM you dont care.


This has been discussed before. ONLY reason they put that disclaimer is because that is the limit the seat has been TESTED to. It's not to say it couldn't take more. At this point it's all about personal preference. Some ppl like Brand A, others Brand B. As stated before they both have passed safety regulations. \end

[ManoNegra]

Bride - people built like high school girls
Recaro - Americans that grew up on McDonalds

I kid but yeah...

[dreamin240sx]

I would have to say bride.. i love them and iwouldnt go for anything else ever..

[[email protected]]

Interesting topic, I have both bride seats and recaro's. EuroII bride seats in my r32 gt-r, recaro spg and sr in the sx (+sr deskchair:D). I think they're both quality seat makers but I have to say bride seats are a bit hyped in our world by the craze called 'jdm' (on a sidenote; that always leads to copy's, because low ballers want in on what's hot, and the knockoff aftermarket knows that)

I actually don't know very much about the history of bride, but I always thought they were really inspired by recaro or maybe even related, seeing bride's trademark fabric and early models. Then again recaro's are catered for and have always been very popular in Japan just as well. I actually only see bride's in Japanese motorsports, while recaro's, sparco's and omp's are all over the place, there's got to be a reason for that. Is it just because of their heritage? Or is it the average smaller Japanese body frame after all?

I'd still like to see the opinion of an expert and more information.

[ranger240]

well if the seat flexes more then it is absorbing more of the force of the impact, you would probably be less injured in the bride. A completely rigid seat wouldn't flex at all but it would send you straight into the dash. I dunno, brides are roughly the same price as recaro now and s chassis cars are already really unsafe, so who cares?

ok lets give this one an autopsy

well if the seat flexes more then it is absorbing more of the force of the impact,

flexing more indicates that it is "absorbing" less. i.e. the force of your body moving backwards is met with less force from the seat back.

you would probably be less injured in the bride.
if that is the case, why does every form of motorsports require one piece seats?

A completely rigid seat wouldn't flex at all but it would send you straight into the dash. yes it would, if you weren't wearing a seatbelt.

I dunno, brides are roughly the same price as recaro now and s chassis cars are already really unsafe, so who cares?
so because the car is''already unsafe'' it is ok to make it more so? price=same level of safety?

author and racing driver Ross Bentley couldn't stress enough how important a proper safe racing seat in his book

Amazon.com: Speed Secrets: Professional Race Driving Techniques (9780760305188): Ross Bentley: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Speed-Secrets-Professional-Driving-Techniques/dp/0760305188/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272561375&sr=8-1-catcorr)

it is utterly stupid to skimp on a safe racing seat. sure, most people don't care about stuff like that, and most people don't even consider your seat as being a vital piece of safety equipment.

me i'm installing kouki s14 seats next week for my DD and leaving it at that

[badicalradical]

author and racing driver Ross Bentley couldn't stress enough how important a proper safe racing seat in his book

Amazon.com: Speed Secrets: Professional Race Driving Techniques (9780760305188): Ross Bentley: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Speed-Secrets-Professional-Driving-Techniques/dp/0760305188/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272561375&sr=8-1-catcorr)



+1 good book. (own it)

[gearhead55]

ok lets give this one an autopsy

flexing more indicates that it is "absorbing" less. i.e. the force of your body moving backwards is met with less force from the seat back.

if that is the case, why does every form of motorsports require one piece seats?

yes it would, if you weren't wearing a seatbelt.

so because the car is''already unsafe'' it is ok to make it more so? price=same level of safety?

it is utterly stupid to skimp on a safe racing seat. sure, most people don't care about stuff like that, and most people don't even consider your seat as being a vital piece of safety equipment.

me i'm installing kouki s14 seats next week for my DD and leaving it at that

What i mean is if it flexes more in a rear impact situation, less force is being exerted on your body. Every form of motorsport requires one piece seats because they are safer in most situations, the video is only showing impacts from the rear, and thats all i'm talking about. Obviously for front and side impacts higher rigidity is better. In the particular case shown in the videos the driver would probably be less injured in the bride. Obviously a safe racing seat is of the utmost importance in a race car or track car, but that doesn't mean that a reclinable street seat needs to be as rigid as a one piece race seat. You are not making your car LESS safe by installing a Bride. You might not be making it as safe as you would if you install the Recaro, but it would still be more safe than stock. Buying a Bride isn't "skimping" on a seat, they are great seats. S13s are extremely unsafe in the first place, the difference between the reclinable Bride and the reclinable Recaro is negligible, either way you are making it more safe than stock, so again, who cares. If you want the highest safety, drive a volvo.

[s15specR]

Bride - people built like high school girls
Recaro - Americans that grew up on McDonalds

I kid but yeah...


^ True story, I look like a gorilla in the Brides and a homie in the Recaro.

What i mean is if it flexes more in a rear impact situation, less force is being exerted on your body. Every form of motorsport requires one piece seats because they are safer in most situations, the video is only showing impacts from the rear, and thats all i'm talking about. Obviously for front and side impacts higher rigidity is better. In the particular case shown in the videos the driver would probably be less injured in the bride. Obviously a safe racing seat is of the utmost importance in a race car or track car, but that doesn't mean that a reclinable street seat needs to be as rigid as a one piece race seat. You are not making your car LESS safe by installing a Bride. You might not be making it as safe as you would if you install the Recaro, but it would still be more safe than stock. Buying a Bride isn't "skimping" on a seat, they are great seats. S13s are extremely unsafe in the first place, the difference between the reclinable Bride and the reclinable Recaro is negligible, either way you are making it more safe than stock, so again, who cares. If you want the highest safety, drive a volvo.

Great response!


I've had both seats, but like the recaro's, they seem better built and more comfortable, this is my own opinion. Me saying that, the last set of seats I bought was Bride. Peer pressure is a bitch!

[punxva]

There's a reason you see Recaros factory in cars. They pass crash test for factory cars. Brides are F.I.A. approved as also Recaros for racing purposes. There's also alot more to the picture then "absorbing" impact. The seat completely collapsed and there's no saying it won't do that in a front impact, side impact or rollover either. Seats collapsing and other issues like driver and passenger "submarine" (where in an impact the person involved slides down in the seat under the lap belt causing serious injury) are reasons that tracks are making new safety rules. (Stricter seat regulations, 5+ point harnesses, ect. ect. ect.


Both decent seats but if I were concerned about safety, I'd probably go with the brand most of the world and motorsports world trust's and not just an UBER JDM brand that some Japanese motorsports trust.

But the BRIDE's do look goood

Umm please don't misinform people, most bride seats are NOT F.I.A. approved...

[Persona]

This has been discussed before. ONLY reason they put that disclaimer is because that is the limit the seat has been TESTED to. It's not to say it couldn't take more. At this point it's all about personal preference. Some ppl like Brand A, others Brand B. As stated before they both have passed safety regulations. \end


Im going to make a car and only test it for 5 miles. Not to say it couldnt last 10 or 20. Would that give you peace of mind? No. Does it make it seem like they have a high amount of faith in their product? No. Should it be tested higher? Yes.

[Teddy]

I'll always choose Bride for a Japanese platform car just because it's Bride and it's "JDM".

[Brian]

I'll always choose Bride for a Japanese platform car just because it's Bride and it's "JDM".

100% true.

[9s13Coupe3SX]

I'll always choose Bride for a Japanese platform car just because it's Bride and it's "JDM".

So what doesn't make recaro jdm, when they do come factory in japanese platfrom cars?

[EDT007]

Im going to make a car and only test it for 5 miles. Not to say it couldnt last 10 or 20. Would that give you peace of mind? No. Does it make it seem like they have a high amount of faith in their product? No. Should it be tested higher? Yes.


I never said whether or not the product should be tested higher. Yes, it should be. But since the general consensus is that "smaller" people will buy the seat as well as most of the general population in Japan fit that category they don't. Maybe because of the extra $ involved, maybe cause of pure laziness. IDK. You want an answer, contact them or write your nearest congressman. :keke:

[beatlust]

Im going to make a car and only test it for 5 miles. Not to say it couldnt last 10 or 20. Would that give you peace of mind? No. Does it make it seem like they have a high amount of faith in their product? No. Should it be tested higher? Yes.

+1.


msglngth.

[driftsilvias13]

I laughed at the youtube comment on the bride seat:
"GOALLLLLLL"

[!Zar!]

I have had both Bride and Recaro. Doesn't make much of a difference. I'd choose either or.

[Perfect Balance]

I should mention that FIA tests are performed with a 180lb body in them. So all you people crying about Bride's disclaimer need to stop. It's just how things are. They don't test higher because there's no sort of certification above that. (now I know that most of their seats are not certified, but there's other factors that go into the certification other than the crash test.) Besides, if you're over 180lb, you probably aren't going to fit in a Bride seat anyway so don't worry about it.

[Pacman]

So are there seats that fit like Brides (cause I'm thin) but are safe like Recaros (daily driven)? Or is that getting my cake and eating it too?

[Perfect Balance]

So are there seats that fit like Brides (cause I'm thin) but are safe like Recaros (daily driven)? Or is that getting my cake and eating it too?Something like a Recaro SPG should be fine. They're pretty small.

Or just get a Bride seat that is FIA approved. They're safe.

[lflkajfj12123]

hell, i just put my cage in for looks.

yesssssssssssssssssssssssss

[illvialuver]

I want to see tests for newer reclinable ad fixed back seats.

[dopplganger1]

BRIDE BLACK RED GIAS Low Max JDM Gradation Racing Seat 350Z FREE SHIPPING (http://www.s2carbonworks.com/brgilowmaxgr.html)
RECARO SR3 JDM Gradation Black Racing Seat FREE SHIPPING (http://www.s2carbonworks.com/resr3blgrras.html)
50 bucks difference for better safety my life is worth more than 50 bucks to me and thats shipped and they look pretty much the same design wise for the people saying they're only getting them for the looks unless its not looks but a logo that your after

[510-SR20DET]

After watching these clips, whoever defend Bride or still buying Bride is either an ignorant or a moron. It's classic.

[VROOOM]

my Recaros even have airbags in them. :keke:

[wh0aitznic0]

After watching these clips, whoever defend Bride or still buying Bride is either an ignorant or a moron. It's classic.

You're a fucking idiot.

[icedsole]

who ever buys a fucking light weight RACING SEAT to protect them in a crash is dumb.

[VROOOM]

who ever buys a fucking light weight RACING SEAT to protect them in a crash is dumb.

what do you think the seat is for???

[lflkajfj12123]

LOOKS COOOl

[VROOOM]

oh yeah i forgot drifting is like figure skating, gotta have your pretty outfit.

[Danb]

i have recaros and although i have never owned a set of brides but i have set in several sets many times, I love the recaro's but i dont see anything wrong with the brides, im not pleasantly plump or anything so maybe thats an issue with some people but imo it's personal preference on whatever you think is best

[icedsole]

what do you think the seat is for???


not flopping around like a fish when your driving?

what fanboi doesnt want a red BRIDE, like come on dudes.

[Brian]

not flopping around like a fish when your driving?

what fanboi doesnt want a red BRIDE, like come on dudes.

Or better yet.... TWO of them.

[icedsole]

preach it....

[Brian]

Most people here are too poor to buy Bride or Recaro anyways.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... big whoop?

[shiftdrift]

LOOKS COOOl

it's all about the looks!

[lflkajfj12123]

I have two bride seats.

I think I will buy a third and make a computer chair out of it.

sOoOOoooOoOOOooooOOOOooOOOooOOo COOOOOOOOOL

[FusionR240sx]

R for Race.
B for Baller.
Knock off B = Broke Ass aka me.

[s14_driver]

I'd like to see some fixed bucket crash testing.
exactly what i was thinking

[Corbic]

I never said whether or not the product should be tested higher. Yes, it should be. But since the general consensus is that "smaller" people will buy the seat as well as most of the general population in Japan fit that category they don't. Maybe because of the extra $ involved, maybe cause of pure laziness. IDK. You want an answer, contact them or write your nearest congressman. :keke:


The problem here is Bride originally did not have that weight limit. Then it released a 100kg weight limit, then more recently that has been revised to 75kg.


For safety equipment I want to see it pushed to the maximum possible limit, not the utmost minimum. Test that seat to 200kg, regardless if someone that weight would ever use one.

I honestly don't think that limit is based on any tests, just the fact that they have had people buy the seats and turn around and complain after they broke the seat in daily use. Also, with all the Bride-knockoffs out there, I would be more likely to go with Sparco or Recaro, never mind the fact that Recaro is pretty much the industry standard.

Also, no Recliner Seat is FIA approved, generally they are not permitted in anything beyond your typical amateur/street class racing series.

[wh0aitznic0]

The problem here is Bride originally did not have that weight limit. Then it released a 100kg weight limit, then more recently that has been revised to 75kg.


For safety equipment I want to see it pushed to the maximum possible limit, not the utmost minimum. Test that seat to 200kg, regardless if someone that weight would ever use one.

200kg translates to 441ish lbs. Have you ever SEEN how fucking fat a 400 lb person is? Add 40 lbs to that.

I'm 170 and I fit in a Vios III snug. I doubt a 400+ lb fatass would fit in any type of Bride. Like I've said before, Bride's are catered to generally "Japanese sized" people whom (from I've seen) are short and stick figure thin.

[lflkajfj12123]

:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

JDM or BUST!

[xtreme_s14]

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico!

[iwishiwas-all*]

Bride are better ( there super rare) recaro are so common . Stock cars have recaro !!! Sorry I go with Bride

you are by far the most retarded person I have seen on zilvia in weeks.

[Corbic]

200kg translates to 441ish lbs. Have you ever SEEN how fucking fat a 400 lb person is? Add 40 lbs to that.

I'm 170 and I fit in a Vios III snug. I doubt a 400+ lb fatass would fit in any type of Bride. Like I've said before, Bride's are catered to generally "Japanese sized" people whom (from I've seen) are short and stick figure thin.



It has nothing to do with how "Fat" someone is, it has to do with the strength of the seat. If the seat will sustain a 400lb person, then I damn well know that your 170lb butt is not going to even budge the thing.

Now seeing you are 5lbs away from the maximum weight the seat can handle, does that mean if you lean on it when climbing in or out it will break? Does it mean if you have a bad week and put on a 8lbs it's going to start to fatigue?

When jacking up a car that weights 2.700lbs, would you want to use jackstands rated at 700lbs? This "should" be more then enough to hold the car, seeing all you need is 4 x 675.... or would you rather have 4x 2 ton jack stands even though it's unlikely you will be holding up a 8 ton vehicle anytime soon.

[wh0aitznic0]

It has nothing to do with how "Fat" someone is, it has to do with the strength of the seat. If the seat will sustain a 400lb person, then I damn well know that your 170lb butt is not going to even budge the thing.

Now seeing you are 5lbs away from the maximum weight the seat can handle, does that mean if you lean on it when climbing in or out it will break? Does it mean if you have a bad week and put on a 8lbs it's going to start to fatigue?

When jacking up a car that weights 2.700lbs, would you want to use jackstands rated at 700lbs? This "should" be more then enough to hold the car, seeing all you need is 4 x 675.... or would you rather have 4x 2 ton jack stands even though it's unlikely you will be holding up a 8 ton vehicle anytime soon.

Answer me this: How the FUCK are they gonna fit that fatass 441 lb test dummy in a Bride to test it?

If you can't fit in a Bride, get something else. Done.

[soreballz]

^You're completely missing the point.

[wh0aitznic0]

^Maybe because I'm still drunk. Fuck it.

[Teddy]

So what doesn't make recaro jdm?

Umm, maybe it's the fact that Recaro is a German company?

[lflkajfj12123]

YEAH dooshbag! BRIDE = JDM

JDM = HEAVEN

[ZilviaKid]

i just put a recaro in my hatch

its pretty comfy, and i even was able to use the stock s13 rails on it.

[lflkajfj12123]

so you're probably sitting sky high?

[ZilviaKid]

its about half an inch higher then my s14 seat sits.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn149/SilviaKid77/Camera746.jpg

still a fair amount of head room

[Pure_JDM]

not reading all 3 pages of a ghey topic. it was tested at rear impact, and i have a full cage with a harness bar... my seats arent going anywhere, no matter the brand. this poor topic gets beaten to death. the seat is to hold you comfortably in place. if you're expecting impacts such as these, PREPARE for them, hence the cage and harnesses.

[Propaganda]

Harness bar? you need a back brace... FALE

gonna wear a helmet in that cage? unsafe

[Corbic]

Harness bar? you need a back brace... FALE

gonna wear a helmet in that cage? unsafe

Or a Hans Device? If the car is not crumpling, and you are in a harness (that if properly worn allows for no movement) then all the impact energy is going to your neck as your head-whips around. \\

[Propaganda]

^^ word.. snap necks faster than Steven Seagal

[MrMigs]

^^ word.. snap necks faster than Steven Seagal

O Ho that made me LoL :wiggle:

[Xplat]

If you want to be a winner in life you have to pick Bride seats.

Just look at that test dummy.

You won't be scoring any goals unless you roll with Bride.

[xpinoyxmk]

^Idiot.

Personal preference. Both good seats. Brides just has more fanboi support than Recaro.

[mrizsuki]

lol. all about the $$. buy what you want, or save up and buy what you want more.

[dnguye22]

well if the seat flexes more then it is absorbing more of the force of the impact, you would probably be less injured in the bride. A completely rigid seat wouldn't flex at all but it would send you straight into the dash. I dunno, brides are roughly the same price as recaro now and s chassis cars are already really unsafe, so who cares?

yup. more damage to your seat less damage on your body.

[dnguye22]

There's a reason you see Recaros factory in cars. They pass crash test for factory cars. Brides are F.I.A. approved as also Recaros for racing purposes. There's also alot more to the picture then "absorbing" impact. The seat completely collapsed and there's no saying it won't do that in a front impact, side impact or rollover either. Seats collapsing and other issues like driver and passenger "submarine" (where in an impact the person involved slides down in the seat under the lap belt causing serious injury) are reasons that tracks are making new safety rules. (Stricter seat regulations, 5+ point harnesses, ect. ect. ect.


honesty, having recaros in factory cars doesn't necessarily mean they were the best option in terms of safety. recaros could simply be the company which would give manufactures better deals. manufactures tend to build their cars with as low of cost as possible.

As for absorbing impact, how much more fundamental can this idea be when dealing with crashes. absorbing the impact IS what matters. why do you think car chassis have crumble zones? so they can absorb the energy of the crash. the one thing i did get from physics class was conservation of energy. that energy has to go somewhere and if it's not the seat it's going to be you.

[ranger240]

yup. more damage to your seat less damage on your body.

dude you are WRONG.

"According to the IIHS, if your head and torso don't move together and stay in alignment, you're more likely to have a whiplash injury"

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BRIDE
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RECARO
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truth is they're both BAD, bride is just alot worse

anyone still arguing that bride is better when it comes to safety, using ''intuitive physics'' is WRONG. most people in this thread arnt, but some people are spreading dangerous misinformation and need to stop.

and some more

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[ranger240]

the one thing i did get from physics class was conservation of energy. that energy has to go somewhere and if it's not the seat it's going to be you.

again... WRONG


you have to consider opposing forces, i.e. the mass of your body vs the strength of the seat

in a rear crash, the seat is moving in one direction and is met by the opposing force of your body wanting to stay where it is.

if you really want to start getting into it from another physical standpoint consider the psi of that contact. if the seat is all flexy then the mass of your body and force of the impact are being transmitted to your body via a smaller point of contact. equal force transmitted to less surface area = higher pounds per square inch of force = more ouchies.

consider this... why can people lay on a bed of nails? because the force of gravity pulling down your body onto the nails is evenly distributed throughout your whole body. if you cut the number of nails in half, you'd start getting injured.



that is all i'm going to say about this matter. if people still dont understand then hopefully another member on zilvia who gets it will tell them they're dangerously wrong. if they still refuse to accept reality then they're just ig'nant.

no more misinformation, flexy seats are worse.

the dangerous misinformation propagated by a few posters in this thread almost makes me want to email my old college physics professor so he can submit a response. first tenured professor post on zilvia? probably.

[Johny5]

bride is a joke, a name too many people buy into. not saying the srd did much better but then again, i don't use those seats either. recaro spg or bust. worried about what seats gonna be safest in your daily driver? get a 2500hd, captains chairs are plenty safe :)

[jaCkee13]

i like bride seats just the way they are but to be safe i would go with the recaro their seats arent bad either.

[gearhead55]

In regards to whiplash injuries, that has more to do with the placement of the headrest then the flexibility of the seat. The bride has more head movement cause the seat doesn't fit the dummy! your head it supposed to be against the headrest, closer to the fitment of the dummy on the recaro. That doesnt have to do with the flexibility of the seat, it has to do with buying a seat that fits your body. The new "safer" seats in cars in the past year or two aren't safer because they are more rigid, they are safer because you can't adjust the headrests so they are always in the correct (albeit slightly uncomfortable) position! don't believe me? research it and you'll see. The placement of the headrest in relationship to your head is the most important aspect of seat safety in whiplash injuries.

again... WRONG

you have to consider opposing forces, i.e. the mass of your body vs the strength of the seat

in a rear crash, the seat is moving in one direction and is met by the opposing force of your body wanting to stay where it is.

if you really want to start getting into it from another physical standpoint consider the psi of that contact. if the seat is all flexy then the mass of your body and force of the impact are being transmitted to your body via a smaller point of contact. equal force transmitted to less surface area = higher pounds per square inch of force = more ouchies.


Why would the seat flexing make the point of contact w/ your body smaller?? this paragraph would make sense if you could justify that claim. Go ahead and try.


the dangerous misinformation propagated by a few posters in this thread almost makes me want to email my old college physics professor so he can submit a response. first tenured professor post on zilvia? probably.

DO THIS! see what the fuck he says.

AGAIN, if you want safety, get a full bucket, don't bitch about how unsafe a reclinable is. Show me comparisons of bucket seat crash tests and we can discuss that. Also if you want safety, have fun making a volvo fast without spending an arm and a leg.

[Brian]

I've never died in my Bride seats.

FACT.

[mr_eh]

which one is going to look better in a crash. bride. hence thereforth recaro is garbage.

[old school]

real racers roll fixed seats. reclining ftl...unless you DD your car.

LOL @ whoever said "its all about the weight...milk crate for me"...have fun doing a faceplant into the windshield or leaving your head in the backseat. lol

[ranger240]

In regards to whiplash injuries, that has more to do with the placement of the headrest then the flexibility of the seat. The bride has more head movement cause the seat doesn't fit the dummy! your head it supposed to be against the headrest, closer to the fitment of the dummy on the recaro. That doesnt have to do with the flexibility of the seat, it has to do with buying a seat that fits your body. The new "safer" seats in cars in the past year or two aren't safer because they are more rigid, they are safer because you can't adjust the headrests so they are always in the correct (albeit slightly uncomfortable) position! don't believe me? research it and you'll see. The placement of the headrest in relationship to your head is the most important aspect of seat safety in whiplash injuries.



Why would the seat flexing make the point of contact w/ your body smaller?? this paragraph would make sense if you could justify that claim. Go ahead and try.

if the top of the seat flexes, its providing little opposing force to the force exerted by your body's mass. as a result the force on the part that isn't flexing will be greater... (i.e. the part towards the lower part of your back). as that cnn/iihs video stated, when your spine and neck are not aligned, you're going to get a whiplash effect...



AGAIN, if you want safety, get a full bucket, don't bitch about how unsafe a reclinable is. Show me comparisons of bucket seat crash tests and we can discuss that. Also if you want safety, have fun making a volvo fast without spending an arm and a leg.

the op showed you comparisons of reclinable buckets, i showed you factory reclinable buckets, what more do you need to know? stop being butt-hurt because baller jam bride and recaro reclinable buckets are garbage... i've shown you enough why don't you dig up your own research

[Brian]

real racers roll fixed seats. reclining ftl...unless you DD your car.

LOL @ whoever said "its all about the weight...milk crate for me"...have fun doing a faceplant into the windshield or leaving your head in the backseat. lol


I know.

Don't you love when they REALLY do put the milk crate in there.

lol idiots.

[icedsole]

damn kids and their bride seats! what are they thinking!?

[Brian]

If you're going to die in a 240 crash, might as well do it with style. Go with BRIDE.

[shiftdrift]

truth for sure.

[superflysr20]

I might be wrong... but isnt the bride video you show the bride ergos (or the fake $300 a pair brides) watch any youtube videos of crashes with bride seats in them, they dont really buckle like that. And when all else fails, screw seats.... weight reduction lol

[gearhead55]

if the top of the seat flexes, its providing little opposing force to the force exerted by your body's mass. as a result the force on the part that isn't flexing will be greater... (i.e. the part towards the lower part of your back). as that cnn/iihs video stated, when your spine and neck are not aligned, you're going to get a whiplash effect...

the op showed you comparisons of reclinable buckets, i showed you factory reclinable buckets, what more do you need to know? stop being butt-hurt because baller jam bride and recaro reclinable buckets are garbage... i've shown you enough why don't you dig up your own research

WTF are you talking about? Both of those seats are flexing at the pivot point of the seat, NOT in the middle of the back piece. So again, how is that creating a smaller surface area??

And again, WTF are you talking about, If you think both are garbage then what are you arguing for??

Buy a seat that you like, that fits your body and what you're using it for and shut the fuck up.

[Bumnah]

Bride seats are not american size friendly.

[gearhead55]

Bride seats are not american size friendly.

True. I'm a skinny fucker but i'm too tall for most of them.

[landins13]

the issue with this whole comparison really is the fact that they are both reclinable seats, race cars dont use reclinable seats and the majority of reclinable ones out there are not track approved.

personally ive got a rigid momo t2000 that is confortable to me and meets all the regulations for my local tracks/events.

rigid ftw if you really need to get into the back of a s13 put a reclinable seat on the passenger side with a rigid for the driver.

[Brian]

Did you say T2000?

Thats twice the amount of T1000s from T2.

[silviatunersr20]

Where is the Sparco option in all this?

[Brian]

In the dumpster. Sparco..... lollllllllllll
That's cute if you have a 98 civic rice rocket.

[lflkajfj12123]

If you're going to die in a 240 crash, might as well do it with style. Go with BRIDE.

So much truth it hurts.

[gearhead55]

So much truth it hurts.

Thats what i've been saying. s0ap, brian, true indeed.

[SoSideways]

Where is the Sparco option in all this?

Most people think Sparco stuff are cheap and inferior to Recaro/Bride.

For what reason, I do not know.

But many WRC teams use Sparco seats, and there have been a few Sparco steering wheels on drift/time attack cars as well.

You believe what you want from the interwebz.

You buy what you want.

[The Hamsterball]

+1 from me for sparco as well.

i ran a sparco fixed on my dd s13 hatch for 2.5-3 years and it was great.
just a speed, for $200, but it was comfy. could have had more leg support if i opted for the higher end fixed sparcos.

bride is gay. it's just for people who care about "JDM".

recaro is up there for safety..
and yes, as someone mentioned, they are the contractor for factory seats on alot of different brands.
recaro are used for evo seats. they were used in a lot of volvos in the past.

i would say sparco is underneath them, but still top quality. a lot of WRC teams use sparco seats.

[!Zar!]

Bride seats are easier to sell.

FACT

[lflkajfj12123]

bride is gay. it's just for people who care about "JDM".


No. You're gay BRO!

[bentmode360]

doesnt matter foo its a chair

[Tearlessj]

In the dumpster. Sparco..... lollllllllllll
That's cute if you have a 98 civic rice rocket.
Sorry if its not JDM enough for you.

[SoSideways]

I wouldn't mind a reclinable Bride seat.


































For my office.

But I might get a whiplash injury if I tried to lean back while getting head from the secretary!

[lflkajfj12123]

Good thing only my passenger Bride reclines. Suckas.

[Brian]

Sorry if its not JDM enough for you.

Not accepted.

Why put anything OTHER than JDM into your 240sx?

A real foolish move.

[S14DB]

Looks like I need to start saving my pennies...

Recaro Arai, Sparco, Recaro, Alpinestars Race Gear Distributor (http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/performance-seats-accessories/seats-reclining/seats-reclining-recaro)

[Cheesy Doriftos]

Not accepted.

Why put anything OTHER than JDM into your 240sx?

A real foolish move.

isn't nardi italian?

lolz jk :ddog:

[Brian]

Shit .

[Teddy]

Bride seats are not american size friendly.

Americans are not Bride seat size friendly.

[shiftdrift]

i am. it's not that hard to not eat fatty foods and keep in shape.

[The Hamsterball]

No. You're gay BRO!

whatever, mr. 2007 join date.

[drftwerks]

i like my brides.
they are comfortable.
they look cool.

[lflkajfj12123]

whatever, mr. 2007 join date.

whatever mr. 248 post count hamster.

[gerson408]

maybe you shoud rock a fixed bucket seat instead of a pussy reclinable one. if you dont fit in a fixed lose some fucking weight.

[Brian]

^^^

Who are you talking to?

[lflkajfj12123]

ME. Everyone talks shit to me.

s0apgun VS zilvia. Who will win?

[murda-c]

quick someone test the stock buckets.

[Onizuka]

Bride Zeta 2 is the best, man I wish I had one, my Zeta 3 doesn't look as cool.

[xtreme_s14]

EDIT: Nevermind found my answer! JDM + Nazi Germany = Bride + Recaro = Double the SAUCE!

[MrMigs]

EDIT: Nevermind found my answer! JDM + Nazi Germany = Bride + Recaro = Double the SAUCE!

What's that... like one zeta 3 on one side and one spg on the other? :w00t:

[SoSideways]

maybe you shoud rock a fixed bucket seat instead of a pussy reclinable one. if you dont fit in a fixed lose some fucking weight.

What's wrong with a good reclinable bucket?

Honestly.

[xtreme_s14]

What's that... like one zeta 3 on one side and one spg on the other? :w00t:

I have a Recaro Speed and was looking for Bride rails to use with them.. Not my first choice for seats, but I got a Recaro SPG and Speed for a really cheap price! I feel like I'm supporting Hitler if I buy Recaro sliders.. HEIL HITLER?

[SoSideways]

I have a Recaro Speed and was looking for Bride rails to use with them.. Not my first choice for seats, but I got a Recaro SPG and Speed for a really cheap price! I feel like I'm supporting Hitler if I buy Recaro sliders.. HEIL HITLER?

This isn't the 1940s.

Stop being stupid.

[MrMigs]

Halt!!

http://www.artlaflamme.com/blog/images/halt.jpg

[xtreme_s14]

Halt!!

Thank you for having a sense of humor!

[MrMigs]

hahah... lordy lordy... what else is zilvia for? :tardrim:

[S14DB]

http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/Hideki_Tojo.jpg

or

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2158911/2159086/2159087/070221_CL_HitlerEX.jpg

Who will you support?

[wh0aitznic0]

I totally support both Axis powers.

http://www.elementwheels.com/prodimages/axis_super_hiro.gif

[Corbic]

http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/Hideki_Tojo.jpg

or

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2158911/2159086/2159087/070221_CL_HitlerEX.jpg

Who will you support?

Or

http://tendenciasdemoda.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mao.jpg

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/12682677/aview/acis_blk.JPG

[JDMSTYLE]

china seat comparison! will anyone do it. haha.
the only problem i have with using bride rails on my recaro speed seats is it seems a tad bit off. just ask my driver side arm rest, completely demolished.

[The Hamsterball]

whatever mr. 248 post count hamster.

whatever, Mr. IN TIME OUT FOR MISBEHAVING...

[shiftdrift]

i honestly don't think s0ap cares....at all.

[Xplat]

i honestly don't think s0ap cares....at all.

With a post count like his I'm sure he's feeling post withdrawal symptoms.

[jspek]

this thread haha. so anyway smacked a tree with my coupe tonight and my bride kept my ass in place. silly pos shit.

[Corbic]

i honestly don't think s0ap cares....at all.

What did he get laid off for?

[wh0aitznic0]

Saying the F-word.

And it wasn't Fuck.

[shiftdrift]

this thread haha. so anyway smacked a tree with my coupe tonight and my bride kept my ass in place. silly pos shit.

hell ya! pics or ban!

[!Zar!]

hell ya! pics or ban!
I'm pretty sure you could've sat on a bucket and been ok.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5527/mailgooglecom9497698950.jpg

[morbid]

Just don't drive your car. That's the safest thing to do.

Seriously though if safety is that big of a concern then you bought the wrong car. Go get an sc300. I got t-boned in one of those and if it was an s-chassis
I would have probably been handicapped or worse. Unless it was an s-chassis with a Recaro then I would have been totally safe.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i223/Morbid_1/IMG_1306.jpg?t=1273355472

[gerson408]

just being a hater lol i dont like recilnables

[gearhead55]

Just don't drive your car. That's the safest thing to do.

Seriously though if safety is that big of a concern then you bought the wrong car. Go get an sc300. I got t-boned in one of those and if it was an s-chassis
I would have probably been handicapped or worse. Unless it was an s-chassis with a Recaro then I would have been totally safe.


Hahaha quoted for truth.

[SevenPistolero]

awsome thread!

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

Or go for other options: Nismo sport seats. OEM quality with comfort... Too bad they are impossible to get since they are long discontinued.

[Corbic]

Or go for other options: Nismo sport seats. OEM quality with comfort... Too bad they are impossible to get since they are long discontinued.

So by your own statement they are not an option.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

They were an option. I have a set. Cheaper than Recaro and Bride. The problem is folks only wanting the "in" thing.

[BoostSlideWayz]

When i first saw this threads tittle, i said bride all the way.. but..like someone said earlier, since the bride one offers more flexability. Sometimes a seat that has no give might actually be worse. I still haven't even owned a bride seat or anything really that great... ( Tenzo R ) lol but it works for now. Neat thread, seeing stuff like this is interesting to me.

[Corbic]

They were an option. I have a set. Cheaper than Recaro and Bride. The problem is folks only wanting the "in" thing.

You said they are "impossible to get"

[gearhead55]

You said they are "impossible to get"

they are made of unobtainium.

[Corbic]

When i first saw this threads tittle, i said bride all the way.. but..like someone said earlier, since the bride one offers more flexability. Sometimes a seat that has no give might actually be worse. I still haven't even owned a bride seat or anything really that great... ( Tenzo R ) lol but it works for now. Neat thread, seeing stuff like this is interesting to me.

You do not want flexibility in a seat. That shit should not move, period. Flexability allows you to hurt your self by coming into contact with other parts of the car and bending in natural positions or being tangled in the seat belt.


Bride seats are not all FIA approved, I believe only two of their Fix-Backed units are (not saying all RECAROs are FIA approved). In fact most Recliners are not going to be FIA approved. However, as I stated previously, the 175lb warnings raises eyebrows to me, especially seeing not 5 years ago they used to be rated at 220lbs.

[97240TB]

Why not just skip both Recaro and Bride... Go for ohhhhh I don't know... OMP?

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

You said they are "impossible to get"

Yes, right now in 2010 because it's no longer available. It was readily available when S14s were on the market, unless you can find some new old stock. 7 years ago yes, now, no.

Had people not been stuck on certain brands, then Nismo would've kept the line going. Not my fault when people didn't appreciate the product.

[S14DB]

Yes, right now in 2010 because it's no longer available. It was readily available when S14s were on the market, unless you can find some new old stock. 7 years ago yes, now, no.

Had people not been stuck on certain brands, then Nismo would've kept the line going. Not my fault when people didn't appreciate the product.

So, you bumped a 6 month old thread for this BS? :tweak:

:lockd: