S14 - STI Brembo Brake Upgrade

[Midnight Turbo]

My car: 95 240SX SE non-abs (interested in a street/autocross setup)

I would appreciate some help finalizing a parts list for my choice of big brake upgrade. Please help me organize a good list for future forum-crawlers. Let me know if you see mistakes, have info or resources to add, and unresolved questions are highlighted in red. Thanks.

Calipers:
Front: STI (2004-07)(*note that the 2007 STI Special Edition is excluded)
Rear: STI (2004-07)(*note that the 2007 STI Special Edition is excluded)

Note that Brembo gold rotors can be touched up using Honda "Inca Pearl" paint code Y-61P. It is not a heat resistant paint though. Brembo calipers (Suburu) have a 2-step paint process: first a ceramic based paint and then the gold color. If your scratches/paint issues go through the ceramic coating this may only be a band-aid depending on the amount of heat that the particular area sees from brake use.

Front Caliper Brackets: Necessary to fit STI Brembos on your S14.
Sources:
(1) florante rea on Zilvia.net forums
(2) ManoNegra on Zilvia.net forums sells them (light grinding of calipers required). Refer to http://zilvia.net/f/group-buys/300408-skullworks-evo-sti-brembo-caliper-brackets.html
Picture of grinding: http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6563/sticaliperground01.jpg

Rear Caliper Shim: Should not be required if you choose Z32 rear rotors.

Rotors: Since these are HUGE compared to stock, you will need to remove or trim the dust shields.
Front: Evo 8/9
Rear: Z32 (1990-1996 300ZX) (note: Evo 8/9 rotors fit, but will not allow the Z32 parking brake assembly to fit)

Brake Lines:
Front:
(1) Z32 "conversion" lines (Are these the same as stock Z32 lines or not?)
(2) Stock or Stainless STI (2004-07) lines.
(3) S15 Lines may work (anybody know for sure)(Nissan PN?)
(4) R32 Lines may work (anybody know for sure)(Nissan PN?)
(3) Other options?
Rear: Same as front.
Parking Brake:
(1) R33 cables (necessary for Z32 e-brake assy)(PN KITR33PAIR from mynismo.com) (Nissan PN??)

Parking Brake Assembly:
(1) Z32
UNISA JECS on zilvi.net sells used assemblies. Refer to http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/166702-fs-z32-e-brake-assy-shoes-heatshields-anchor-block-bolts-nuts-100-complete.html
(2) Make a bracket to run a Wilwood mechanical parking brake like Ferrari (fabrication/welding required). Picture: http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/950202280.jpg
(3) Run without it (park it in gear).
(4) Read the $100 hydro e-brake how-to : http://www.zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/93175-100-hydro-ebrake-how.html#post842628

Master Cylinder: Needed if you don't want pedal feel to SUCK. Note that some bending of stock brake lines may be necessary.
(1) Plug&Play from FRSport: DIF Tokico Nissan Z32 300ZX Brake Master Cylinder Upgrade for 240SX (http://www.frsport.com/DIF-Tokico-Nissan-Z32-300ZX-Brake-Master-Cylinder-Upgrade-for-240SX_p_1308.html)
(2) Z32 (many choices)(for street/autocross my choice is a 1") Refer to The Definitive 300ZX Brake Swap! (http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm)
46010-30P01 Manufacture date 2/89 – 7/90 (17/16" NA Tokico)
46010-30P02 Manufacture date 7/89 – 7/90 (17/16" TT Tokico)
46010-30P02 Manufacture date 7/90 – 2/91 (17/16" NA & TT Tokico)
46010-30P10 Manufacture date 2/89 – 7/90 (15/16" NA Nabco non-ABS)
46010-30P21 Manufacture date 2/89 – 7/90 (17/16" NA Nabco)
46010-30P22 Manufacture date 7/89 – 7/90 (17/16" TT Nabco)
46010-30P22 Manufacture date 7/90 – 2/91 (17/16" NA & TT Nabco)
46010-45P00 Manufacture date 9/91 – 9/93 (1" NA TT Tokico)
46010-45P00 Manufacture date 2/91 – 9/91 (1" NA & TT Tokico) 46010-45P20 Manufacture date 9/91 – 9/93 (1" NA & TT Nabco)
46010-45P20 Manufacture date 9/93 – Up (1" NA & TT Nabco)

Dual Diaphram Brake Booster: Not necessary, but can improve/change pedal feel/effort required.
(1) S14 with ABS (Nissan PN?)
(2) Z32 (ABS?)(Nissan PN?)

Pads: Evo 8/9 pads are required because STI pads are too thick.
(1) Porterfield R4-S
(2) EBC Greenstuff
(3) Ferodo ds2500??
(4) Hawk HPS

Fluid: Dot 4 only!!! Dot 5 is for racecars.
(1) Motul RBF600

[Midnight Turbo]

Bump for help with a good organized topic. I'd especially like an answer to the brake pad question (Evo or STI) and more information on brake boosters. Thanks

[dnguye22]

maybe try some hawks pads? they are decent for their price.

[kbui]

s14 w/abs p/n #: 471072f96
z32 p/n#: 4721030p06/7/0

For some reason the z32 came up with three different numbers, maybe it comes with the master cylinder? And both the s14 and z32 boosters are dual diaphragm.

[ManoNegra]

Brake Lines:
You need to use the banjo style lines
like OEM calipers
since the Brembors we've seen don't have the 'nipple' in the hole the z32 caliper has

also quote from another post:


one thing we noticed while doing all this:
notice how the calipers have two different sized pistons?
On the EVO one, which installs in a similar fashion to our calipers,
the rotor meets the smaller piston as the car goes forward

the STi caliper, on the other hand, mounts below the rotor on Subbies
and in THAT configuration, again, the smallerr piston meets the rotor
as the car goes forward
Now if we install the STi caliper on our cars with the bleeders on the top part, the rotor turns towards the
larger piston first as the car goes forward.

Now we don't know if people have noticed this or whether it matters
but we're thinking of switching the bleeders to the opposite side of the caliper
so that the rotor spins into the smaller piston just like on the EVO caliper.
It's just going to make routing the brake line a little more difficult but we
think this is the right way to go with STi calipers.


From talking with various people, this is to dissipate break load for even pad wear
you could leave the caliper alone buy you may end up with uneven pad wear

[Nick_]

Well I guess you could call this a place holder post for me. This is what my setup is going to be as of next week (S14A).

1: 04 STi Brembos
1.5: Skullworks STi adapters (revised)
2: FTP Z32 conversion lines w/ banjo bolts to fit onto STi Calipers
3: Stoptech Evo 8/9 front rotors
4: Centric 93 300ZX Turbo BMC 1"

I want to see how this works for the time being, so for the rear im just going with stock S14 rear rotors and stoptech pads. The brake bias might be slightly off, but I can always put on the rear STi calipers later.

I will update this as soon as I put everything on.

[Hxc_Nismo]

im doing the evo 8 brembo on my front of my s14
you need the front s14 braided lines to work on the front calipers and i beleive you need the same on the rear.
the z32 lines dont use a banjo fitting

[doyle4281]

I am in the process of doing this conversion on my S14 as well, however I am using an EVO front and STI rear. The last components I need to buy are the brake lines, and I am still uncertain as to what is the best to use. As far as I can see, a stock line will work in the rear. The banjo fitting fits within the guides, and the inside diameter are both 10mm. I am assuming that the length will be okay, as the caliper position is only slightly different.

I will not use a Z32 conversion lines in the front, so I need to find out if the stock front lines will work for the front.......help

Stock rear lines (left) vs Stock STI line (right)
http://a.imageshack.us/img294/7669/036qtw.jpg

http://a.imageshack.us/img59/1816/037zh.jpg

Stock line on caliper
http://a.imageshack.us/img819/5681/038o.jpg

[dRift_g0ddess]

from what i hear the sti brembos work with the stock rear line :)

i had a quick question also, the 04-07 sti rear bremos are a perfect bolt on fit with the evo rear rotors (with a 3mm spacer on the calipers) anyone know what year rotor to get from the evo?
also does anyone know if the z32 rotor he plans on using is going to have the same fitment as the evo rotor?
im not worried about the ebrake situation atm, i plan on running a line lock for now lol

[Black R]

Don't forget, you'll need bolts that are compatible with the calipers to count them, and for the brake line mounting.

I dint know if the Nissan bolts will work with brembos (thread pitch, etc)

[doyle4281]

from what i hear the sti brembos work with the stock rear line :)

i had a quick question also, the 04-07 sti rear bremos are a perfect bolt on fit with the evo rear rotors (with a 3mm spacer on the calipers) anyone know what year rotor to get from the evo?
also does anyone know if the z32 rotor he plans on using is going to have the same fitment as the evo rotor?
im not worried about the ebrake situation atm, i plan on running a line lock for now lol

You can use a Z32 rear brake assembly and the STI caliper will fit without a spacer. Aside from that, you will retain the use of your handbrake.

[Midnight Turbo]

You can use a Z32 rear brake assembly and the STI caliper will fit without a spacer. Aside from that, you will retain the use of your handbrake.

Correct, but to further answer the question from driftgoddess, evo rotors will fit fine. They will likely require that 3mm washer to be fit between the caliper and caliper bracket in order to properly fit the evo rotors. BUT, as you seem to realize, evo rotors (in the rear) will force you to find your own method of e-braking since the Z32 e-brake assembly will not fit under the evo rotor.

What year evo for rear rotors?? I think you should look for whatever is compatible with a 2005 evo. Does that sound right guys??

[Midnight Turbo]

s14 w/abs p/n #: 471072f96
z32 p/n#: 4721030p06/7/0

For some reason the z32 came up with three different numbers, maybe it comes with the master cylinder? And both the s14 and z32 boosters are dual diaphragm.

I didn't get anything when I searched these part numbers.

[Mangudai]

What size are these again?

[turbo please]

Now as far as brake lines should I b getting sti rear lines for both front AND back?

[ManoNegra]

For once and for all:
Brembos (Evo and STi) use a banjo style type of line
OEM lines will work if you're strapped for cash
or buy any oem type ss line (like SPLs)

[JDM king240]

Hey man really love the list it saved me so much time but I ran into a problem today my evo 8 rear caliper does not directly bolt on what do I do?

[edmorl]

Hey man really love the list it saved me so much time but I ran into a problem today my evo 8 rear caliper does not directly bolt on what do I do?

you need subaru sti rear calipers

[JDM king240]

Thank you so much man and I guess evo 8 rear calipers are now for sale

[JDM king240]

Does any body know if evo ss lines hook up to sti rear lines

[OutToWinPAHC]

I got my hands on a full set of 2011 STI brembos. I was only going to use the fronts as the rears have different mounting when compared to the 07 and prior. The front of the 08+ STI brembos use the same mounting holes as the 07 and earlier but someone who makes the brackets said they bolt spacing on the EVO is a little closer than the STI caliper, has anyone ran into this?

[EsChassisLove]

Subscribed.

[hellaslows13]

Bump. Any others running a full 04-07 STI brembo setup on an s-chassis? Just wanted to see what parts you ended up using to make the front calipers work? (Brackets, brake lines, and rotors)

[Clutch Dog]

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=300408


get rotors for an sti, not the evo and associated brake lines and be wary of bumping topics from the grave