when you know thieves and others who've done time

[HyperTek]

Heres something I thought id debate.. ever since going back to school *technical school*, alot of my classmates have done time, for things like armed burglary, grand theft auto, theft, just whoopin someones ass, etc.. Im cool with them.. hell we joke about stuff and they tell me stories about using master keys when they boost cars, how they would pay for a master key, have it with em and just randomly see a car they like and take it. But these people have served their time, learned their lessons and are now improving themselves.. One even has like 3 kids and early 20s..

But its a trip, the same people we hate, could be the person right next to you and not even know it.

Society gives these people a 2nd chance.. Of course the ones i know are now honest people, its just a trip that people can do some shit , sometimes get away with it, sometimes dont.

[FlatDrftCJS]

I believe there are no bad people, only bad decisions.

[Walperstyle]

Most people that do a crime have nothing against random people... unless they are crazy.

I work with a guy that did 10 years. I dont ask him what for, I found out when we did a lot of drinking. I knew he did time, but Didnt know it was for that long. None of my business to go asking around, and if he wanted to talk about it, he would.

Edit: my wet grad party 10 years ago was hosted by the Hells Angles btw, lol. No joke. Massive keg party, all free booze. No cops. No issues.

[Persona]

I believe there are no bad people, only bad decisions.


Take a criminology related class and study some very gruesome profiles, then come back and tell us that. LOL

[HyperTek]

oh and to add, then theres the thought of knowing people who dont have insurance or even a license driving every freaking day.. im cool and friends with everyone but man that stuff is just crazy. lol

[g-via]

I believe there are no bad people, only bad decisions.

I believe all people are bad, and the phony facade that some try to live through is unhealthy.

[blownmotor]

It all depends on what they did

[I LUV MY S13]

my cousin is gettin out in 3yrs for armed robbery and GTA...hes done 4 already

[T chop]

I believe there are no bad people, only bad decisions.

:duh: :ddog:

[BustedS13]

i know one person who has actually served time in prison, and he's one crooked, scheming motherfucker.
i know plenty of people who have just been arrested, hell i've been arrested with a friend of mine, but that's silly "i didn't pay a ticket" nonsense, not something that actually means anything.
i know a lot of people who do illegal things that are, in some circles, socially acceptable, like piracy and DUI's and illicit substances and midnight dorifto technical run, but who doesn't.

uh. i guess what i'm saying is damn, you know a lot of "bad guys"

[fckillerbee]

My uncle right now has been writing me stories about prison....he's in there for a year and a half.

he talkes about how people are put in cells first based on points...and certain crimes are for certain points, and how his crime was the most minor, except that he tried to escape one time, and now he has to be roomed with other criminals.

[I LUV MY S13]

My uncle right now has been writing me stories about prison....he's in there for a year and a half.

he talkes about how people are put in cells first based on points...and certain crimes are for certain points, and how his crime was the most minor, except that he tried to escape one time, and now he has to be roomed with other criminals.


so he must be in wayside? aint that bad there

[VROOOM]

a family friend spent 7 years in prison for manslaughter. a normal fist fight turned ugly.

[fckillerbee]

so he must be in wayside? aint that bad there

Oh i don't know where he is at....I do know that he is being transferred to another location.

[TurboSE]

I believe there are people who are just "bad" and there are people who are just "good"...regardless of how it happened, nature or nurture. But the fact that someone served time does not necessarily group them into the "bad" category. Everyone makes bad decisions, some are just worse than others.

People look at jail differently, I have a friend who is in-and-out constantly, little shit...drugs...child support....missing court dates. He views it as part of daily life...going to jail isn't a big deal to him, he lives life around his stays. I call it "life on the installment plan."

Some people are scared shitless... the stories of rapes, stabbings, etc...that's enough to keep them on the straight and narrow, regardless of how factual they are.

I've served small bits of time. The time away from things I like...cars, family and friends...and the hellish boredom inside...keep me from wanting to go back.

But I would say, if you just met me...you'd have no idea I had ever seen the inside of a jail cell.

[boobs13]

My older cousin been in jail sense he was 16 years old for GTA having drugs in the car and having a loaded weapon with other minors which was his friends. But at the same time so called "Homies for life" got my own cousins behind bars, which my cousin didn't know the car was stolen. Cops pull them over and everyone that was in the car pointed to my cousin saying it was his idea and there you go served 10 years behind bars.

Finally got out from jail in the middle year of 09, while he was in jail his arms got all tatted up all the way to his neck thinking he was a bad ass because he served time and because he's in a gang sense he was 12 years old. It only took him less than a month for him to get lock up again, he violated his probation by going to a party hanging around with his "Homies" getting high and drinking and the worst thing of them all he had a baby on its way already but at the same time he was messing around with a girl that was in the gang. Which he left her because my cousin wanted to take it serious with the girl that's pregnant.

So at the party, he finish doing his business with the girl and told her straight out I'm done with you I got another girl which she has my baby on it's way. That girl got so piss off that the next day she called the cops told them that he raped her, beat her up,and that he was gonna kill her and right away the cops went to his job, drop him into the ground and arrested him and now for being a dumb ass he's lock up for 15 years or for life. My cousin said it's all a lie but who knows and now if he doesn't mess up in jail and serve his 15 years behind bars he's gonna be coming out at the age of 45.

I think people are just stupid and they don't think a head of time when there about to do something stupid, That's why we all have a brain and we need to use it. In my opinion that's what he gets because he didn't learn from the beginning.

[BustedS13]

I believe there are people who are just "bad" and there are people who are just "good"...

close. there are "bad people" and "pussies".
people who stay TOO straight and narrow piss me off. I have a buddy who does the speed limit or under, goes to bed at midnight every night, doesn't drink, doesn't gamble, is "saving himself" because of his religion. we almost never hang out anymore because of work and the fact that he's scared of bars. dude needs to pull the stick out of his ass and live a little.

[SlideWell]

i dont let a "crime" define a person as bad, i let the nature of the crime raise the real question. and even then, i might not go so far to call someone a bad person, maybe just say that they have a drug/drinking problem. i dunno, if you keep stealing shit tho ur a bad person to me and i want nothing to do with those people.

[HyperTek]

i live in the inland empire, i suppose its more common , but some of these people, are straight ghetto still.. but there are those who are out to improve themselves.

but one thing, they all told me they are tired of not doing shit at home, so thats why they seek improvement.

[boobs13]

i live in the inland empire, i suppose its more common , but some of these people, are straight ghetto still.. but there are those who are out to improve themselves.

but one thing, they all told me they are tired of not doing shit at home, so thats why they seek improvement.

dude telling you the true everyone that lives in the inland empire are ghetto, I live in Moreno Valley which is in the IE. The population down here is 70% of people that are ghetto that are from Los Angles which is why I want to move out from the IE but that's not gonna happen anytime soon lol.

[wh0aitznic0]

I've grown up friends with some thieves and very "ghetto" people but I believe I'm doing a good job not letting their persona's influence me. It's actually GOOD to have friends in the "criminal" world I would say. Your car stays safe, get invited to the parties with all the hot chicks that like "bad boys", and get a glimpse of what negative things can happen if you live the life that they live.

[TurboSE]

close. there are "bad people" and "pussies".
people who stay TOO straight and narrow piss me off. I have a buddy who does the speed limit or under, goes to bed at midnight every night, doesn't drink, doesn't gamble, is "saving himself" because of his religion. we almost never hang out anymore because of work and the fact that he's scared of bars. dude needs to pull the stick out of his ass and live a little.


it's kinda shitty to call him a "pussy" because he doesn't live by the same ideals you do. He lives life his way...I applaud that.

[I LUV MY S13]

ive been locked up before..twice..i consider myself to be a good person, learned my lesson and have yet to break another law..shit happens, some learn some dont

i honestly think if everyone went to jail the world would be a better place, you learn alot and think about alot..just imagine all the scum in the streets put into one place, guy i bunked with was there for a triple homicide, he was a really cool dude too..guy a few rows down straight out had fuckin aids, you have to shower and shit in front of other guys, i didnt see sunlight for 30 days, had no idea what time of day it was sometimes, cant walk without socks cuz there are diseases on the floor...

its quite an experience..and im glad i went through it, made me a better person

close. there are "bad people" and "pussies".
people who stay TOO straight and narrow piss me off. I have a buddy who does the speed limit or under, goes to bed at midnight every night, doesn't drink, doesn't gamble, is "saving himself" because of his religion. we almost never hang out anymore because of work and the fact that he's scared of bars. dude needs to pull the stick out of his ass and live a little.


why does this make him a pussy? if thats what makes him happy more power to him

[VROOOM]

ive been locked up before..twice..i consider myself to be a good person, learned my lesson and have yet to break another law..shit happens, some learn some dont

i honestly think if everyone went to jail the world would be a better place, you learn alot and think about alot..just imagine all the scum in the streets put into one place, guy i bunked with was there for a triple homicide, he was a really cool dude too..guy a few rows down straight out had fuckin aids, you have to shower and shit in front of other guys, i didnt see sunlight for 30 days, had no idea what time of day it was sometimes, cant walk without socks cuz there are diseases on the floor...

its quite an experience..and im glad i went through it, made me a better person


why does this make him a pussy? if thats what makes him happy more power to him

not so sure everyone should go to jail. it may have affected you in a positive way but i know many people who came out worse than they were when they went in.

[Walperstyle]

It all depends on what they did

Not at all. It depends on 'who they are' and 'who they want to be'.

[KA24DESOneThree]

As I've come into my own political and personal beliefs, my attitude about jail has changed dramatically.

Before, I thought only the worst of the worst went to jail. Now that I realize the injustice of the system and the draconian system of laws we live under, I realize that I'll probably end up going at one point or another. Tax evasion, carrying a handgun, modifying firearms, etc. will likely all lead to me spending time behind bars... all without me having hurt anyone who didn't escalate force first.

Jail isn't reserved only for the bad. It's reserved for enemies of the state and freedom advocates as well.

[S14_Kouki]

I have been to jail twice once for street racing and the other for a drug charge. The way I see it is the world works in weird ways. If I did not get busted for what I did I prob would have been doing worse things by now so im glad I got caught. I think it has saved me in a way. I could be dead from racing or killed someone else. Or I could be really addicted to drugs and dead from that if I did not get arrested. A smart person will learn from the mistakes they have made and change there life, a stupid person will get caught and go back to doing the same exact thing.

[brndck]

i think it goes both ways.

a girl i used to date has a best friend who is serving a life sentence.
he and 2 of his friends jumped a dude at a bar, the dude fell and hit his head and died.
but the guy (my friends friend) was a violent mofo, always picking fights, always doing rude/disrespectful shit. i don't feel the slightest bit of remorse that he will never be free again.

another close friend of mine years ago used to be involved with gangs, boost cars, steal, etc. after doing some time he got out, cleaned up his act, and lives a clean life now. i would trust him implicitly now.

all depends on the situation and the person. some people just never learn from their mistakes.

[mRclARK1]

As someone who has a degree in related stuff... Most criminals are a product of their environment and their genetics. Environment seems to play the largest part. In other words all things being equal two different environments will produce two different people. One criminal, another not.

But yes, there are also people who are just bad people... More often than not with severe mental issues. But that's a small minority of criminals.

There's no right answer to why someone commits a crime that can answer all cases. There's too many variables. Each person and context is different.

[aznpoopy]

I believe there are no bad people, only bad decisions.

what about a bad person who continually makes good decisions?

i can think of a few partners at a few recently defunct law firms that qualify.

[g6civcx]

The basis of the question depends on the definition of "criminal". I think we can all agree that if you break the law, you're a "criminal". If you don't, then you are not a "criminal".

The problem is that we have a lot of laws that we may not know about. If we got technical, I can show that just about everyone breaks some kind of law. Then this means we're all "criminals".

Colloquially, "criminal" has meant someone who has committed serious crimes. While the seriousness of crimes is highly subjective, I think we can all agree that rape and murder qualify as serious crimes.


So if we define "criminal" as someone who rapes and/or murder, I reserve judgement on criminals.

It all depends on respect. Respect is a code of conduct that you show when dealing with people. There is a certain line you should never cross.

If you show respect and only harm disrespectful people, then it's fine by me.

If you are disrespectful and mess with people for no reason, then it's not good.

[DALAZ_68]

I think people are just stupid and they don't think a head of time when there about to do something stupid, That's why we all have a brain and we need to use it. In my opinion that's what he gets because he didn't learn from the beginning.

this...is 100% agreeable to me...even when its family, you cant lie to yourself and change the rules...

close. there are "bad people" and "pussies".
people who stay TOO straight and narrow piss me off. I have a buddy who does the speed limit or under, goes to bed at midnight every night, doesn't drink, doesn't gamble, is "saving himself" because of his religion. we almost never hang out anymore because of work and the fact that he's scared of bars. dude needs to pull the stick out of his ass and live a little.

and who the fuck are you to tell him how to live his life...?!

im not tryin to sound like a douche, but seriously, thats his life, and from what your sayin, his choices are good ones, you know he's not gonna end up with a kid at a stupid young age, that he cant support. You know when he's driving at midnight while ur drunk, you know he's sober as fuck and dont need to worry about getting pulled over...shit, i dont gamble either, fuck that, i work to hard for my money to put it on 50/50 chance of loosing it, id rather it be 100 mine...only reason ive been to vegas was to drink and pussy...never had a reason or desire to hit the tables...

[fcdrifter20]

not all ppl who go to jail are bad ppl.

for those who may know me, know that i have done time over and over again, never hit the big leagues with prison time. but have a had a lot of jail time, 6 months here,2 months thr etc... if you know me you know that i am not a bad person nor am a shady, or anyhting of that nature. but sometimes you are forced to make decision, they mite not be the best ones but you gota make them in order to get by. the way i grew up i ddnt have a lot of choices or options so sometime i had to do what i had to do to eat or help out the family.But one thing i never did was steal form anyone.

i can stand ppl that steal from others who work hard to provide for there families just to have it ripped away by some jack ass who is to lazy to go out there and get his hustle on to make his own money. i consider those ppl just as bad as rapist and pedophiles. a thief is a thief whether he steals a dollar or a thousand dollars... skum that should be hung for what they do


and i agree with g6civcx. RESPECT was the biggest part of my upbringing. respect those who respect you, and dont do anything to loose that respect. but a line is has to be drawn. if your "homies or boys" ask you to do something that you know is wrong and disrespectful, in order to gain there "respect", then you have just lost all yours and have no right to get mad when someone disrespects you.

i.e.....one of my little cousin was dating some kid who thot he was hard cuz he had a couple tats and was from the "hood"..they ended up braking up he got mad and put his hand on my little cousin. he got the shit kicked out of him by my older cousin(her bother). this kid tells his big brother what happened. he goes over to my cousins house to pick a fight, my aunt tries to tell him to leave but he tried to force his way into the house. in the process he give my aunt a black eye. my cousin ended up beating his ass and in the proces he fractured his skull and created a blood clot in his brain, the guy later died in the hospital . he was charged with manslaughter. he is now serving 18 years to life for this. he is by no means a bad person, never been arrested, but was forced to make a decision due to someones disrespect

[g6civcx]

and i agree with g6civcx. RESPECT was the biggest part of my upbringing. respect those who respect you, and dont do anything to loose that respect. but a line is has to be drawn. if your "homies or boys" ask you to do something that you know is wrong and disrespectful, in order to gain there "respect", then you have just lost all yours and have no right to get mad when someone disrespects you.


RESPECT.

You can take all my money and force me out of my house IF you do it respectfully. I have no beef with you. It's just life. You're just doing your job. I'll start over.

If you take one penny from me with disrespect, it makes me very upset.

It's not what you do; it's how you treat people.

There's the law in the courtroom and there's a law on the street.

Some people feel that you get respect by intimidation and disrespecting people. All that does is just make people fear you for the moment. In the long run they all hate you.

You get respect by giving respect. You respect your subordinates, your peers, and your superior. You can disagree and should, but always do so with respect.

That's how you get respect.

[sw20>>s14]

personally, i dont mind associating or interacting with "criminals" unless if it gets too personal or business related...call me a dick, but i will draw a line when it comes to social background...everyone breaks laws, but the fact that someone spent "hard" time in jail demonstrates that they were either brazen enough or stupid enough to get caught...or the crime was of high enough magnitude to demand great attention (murder, rape, etc.)...that is someone i do not want to take it to the next level with (in terms of relationships/friendships)...

of course i realize there are exceptions such as court dates, duis, tax, etc etc etc...

"a smart man learns from his mistakes...a clever man learns from others mistakes"

but to stay on hyperteks topic...i wouldnt treat them any different from the queen of england...they deserve your respect...maybe not your trust, but definitely respect...

[inertiadrft]

Well, one thing is that when you have known someone for a long time, good friends lets say, and he is a successful criminal, do you see them as your friend, or a criminal?
And what if you are both successful criminals, are you bussiness partners or just plain criminals?
Bottom line, sometimes people forget that they are actual criminals, or that your friend is a criminal, and the line becomes blurred, and thats when shit happends.. LOl

[HyperTek]

that story about just getting in a fight is pretty crazy and i can understand that.. i can imagine me getting into a fight and everything going south from there.. makes me think about those times when your friends go "hey you got my back right?" over some stupid shit that happens at a club or something silly, its not worth it lol.

our media kind of glorifies the action of hustle and violence like its the thing to do.

[2_slow_40]

^^^ Definetely. I think a lot of people just think that if they beat someone up that wronged them, in the slightest way, they will be applauded and high 5's all around and junk.

I am a big thinker, like if something happens, I figure out what to do about it by thinking it out, and weighing the possible outcome and consequences. Although some people react quickly on instinct, I beleive a lot of people resort to violence, to be "cool".

Example: I pulled up and parked on my street one day, and saw this dude on a bike with a guitar sticking out of his back pack. From what I seen, it resembled one of my dad's. So I run in my house, and look for said guitar, and what do you know? It's gone. I'm pissed, so I take off in my car to find this guy, (which, from what I could see, resembled my neighbor). Anyways, to make a long story short, I catch him when he returns home, (holding a bag with three beers in it), and I let myself in his house behind him. I am sure that he took it, and sold it, but instead of bashing his face in, (which did cross my mind), I had a discussion with him, (by the way, he is hispanic and speaks minimal English, while I am 100% white). Anyways, after about 15 mins of me trying to communicate with him, and him constantly touching my arm and calling me, "papa", (WTF!!!???), I got him to get into my car, and show me where he took the guitar. It turns out, he sold it to a smoke shop for $20, and bought some beer. Anyways, I didn't hit him, I got the guitar back, and his stupid butt went to jail. One thing that really pissed me off though, was that this guy had just lost his job, is 25 years old, and he's married to a lady that has 3 kids, an 18 year old, a 14 year old, and a 10 year old, (none of which belong to him). The mom works at Carl's Jr. Needless to say, this is a very low income family. Anyways, he steals my guitar, sells it for $20, and buys beer!!!!??? WTF!!! Not groceries for the kids, but beer!!!???? That pissed me off. If he had came to me, and asked for some grocery money for the kids, I would've gladly given it to him, but all he can think about is getting drunk. It really boggles my mind how some people think.

Anyways, when certain friends heard about this, through other friends, who had heard through other friends, and so on, it had blown up into this crazy scenario. This is what one of my friends said that he had heard:

"Some guy broke into your house, stole your dads guitar," Blah blah blah.
"You chased him down, beat the fugg out of him, hogg tied him, and through him in your trunk". Blah blah blah.

Not at all what happened. It just goes to show that most people think it's cool to beat the hell out of someone, for any little thing. Granted, this was a very expensive guitar, which would seemingly give me the right to go crazy on that motha fupp, as I'm sure most people would have.

I could've beat his face in, and threw him in my trunk, but where would that've landed me???
I am proud of myself, that I was able to stay pretty calm, and not punch this dude out. It's all because of thinking about the outcome:

A.) I could kill him, but then I'll go to prison for the rest of my life. (Atleast people will think I'm cool though, for a little while).

B.) I could break his bones, and possibly go to jail. (Atleast people will think I'm cool though, for a little while).

C.) I could convince him to show me where he took it, get it back, and send him to some AA meetings or something, so he can get some help. (People might not think I'm that cool though).

I choose... C. *DING DING DING* We have a winner.

So, in conclusion:

I may not be the 'Baddest Dawg' around, but I got my guitar back, I didn't go to jail, and that guy hasn't come back around here since.
So, I think I win dude.

Sorry if my story is a little long.
~Cody