FR drifting without e-brake??

[No Motiv]

my friend drifts an eclipse .
He once drove a S13 until he totaled it after a serious drift whic put him head on into a wall.
But dont get me wrong he's a skilled drifter.
Well he can drift his eclipse and it boggles my mind every time he does it :confused:
he doesnt use the e-brake. ITS crazy he can do it clean and while going pretty dam fast.
:confused:

does any one know of a drifting technique for FR that doesnt involve the E-brake.


Look for him at the drift showoff later in June in VA i think
;)

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by No Motiv
my friend drifts an eclipse .
He once drove a S13 until he totaled it after a serious drift whic put him head on into a wall.
But dont get me wrong he's a skilled drifter.
Well he can drift his eclipse and it boggles my mind every time he does it :confused:
he doesnt use the e-brake. ITS crazy he can do it clean and while going pretty dam fast.
:confused:

does any one know of a drifting technique for FR that doesnt involve the E-brake.


Look for him at the drift showoff later in June in VA i think
;)

ill be nice.swear

yeah i drift WITHOUT ebrake. yeah i drift fast too
did the d1 driver search, did ok
ebrake is a TECHNIQUE, not smoething to be dependent upon

drifting without ebrake is not difficult.

[WhiteNissanS13]

hmm maybe im stupid but heres a thought from me. maybe he swings the car around to get most of the weight to one side then brakes and has the front wheels slow down but since theres not equal brake power the rear wheel doesn't slow down as much and once he gets the back loose he just follows through with downshifting and powering through with the front wheels, call me wrong but i dunno. or, TRAY SLIDING?!?! haha my moms camry is great at doing that.

[aa87]

Get an LSD, you will see. Not sure on the eclipse though.

[s0ldats]

Originally posted by No Motiv
my friend drifts an eclipse .
He once drove a S13 until he totaled it after a serious drift whic put him head on into a wall.
But dont get me wrong he's a skilled drifter.
Well he can drift his eclipse and it boggles my mind every time he does it :confused:
he doesnt use the e-brake. ITS crazy he can do it clean and while going pretty dam fast.
:confused:

does any one know of a drifting technique for FR that doesnt involve the E-brake.


Look for him at the drift showoff later in June in VA i think
;)

i suck at drifting but as far as i know, ebrake drift is a technique in itself.

and have you thought about your friend using weight transfer to let the tail slide out on his eclipse?

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by No Motiv
Look for him at the drift showoff later in June in VA i think
;)

Talking about the hyperfest?

[Johny5]

I usually drift by distrupting drivetrain with the clutch, never even touched the e-brake :confused: is this wrong?

[Dousan_PG]

cltuch kick: no that's a very basic and easy technique. my friend does it for initiation, i do it when i need to go a bit further
its not friendly on the drive train for sure! haha..hurts A LOT of things

[KOUKI KA-T]

yeah whitenissans13, that's pretty much it. My integra had 13 inch brakes on the front, and a rear sway bar. Just tapping the brakes in a slight turn could cause the rear to lock and slide, then the combo of downshifting and giving it gas carries the front. It's actually easier to do if you're traveling pretty fast, if not the rear won't slide that well.

[Johny5]

I'm figuring that out the hard way dousan, already finished the oem clutch on my 98 that once chirped 2nd pretty good in 4 months. Now it slips if I drop it from above 4k. Woopsy :eek:

[Dousan_PG]

seriously, i wouldn recommend clutch kick
from what i've learned and the people i've ridden with (so many so cali, and a few are driving d1gp and others are 2+ years driftign and sucH) have taught me a lot

the key:
weight transfer

learn to drift without ebrake and clutch kick.
off throttle and shift weight

i'm still learning it and little byl ittle getting better. i found forsome places on the track i used ebrake, friend told me, u use a lot of ebrake. i said..hmm ok, let me do a run without. found out i didnt need it. shift the weight and throttle modulation (THAT IS KEY!!!! throttle control) worked wonders.

i really dont need ebrake anymore.

but that'sfor ME and my setup of my car. i got LSD and coilovers etc etc etc suspenison stuff. now if i was back in a stock car, i might be doing and working on more things

depensd on driver, car and skill all in all

practice makes perfect

STAY SAFE! :)

[Johny5]

Weight transfer, probably one of the reasons i can't really practice it is because i'm affraid to enter a stoplight turn at highspeeds due to my recent slide-into-a-curb-mishap. Once I get track time though I will totally take that advice and use it.

[Dousan_PG]

ill be blunt
if you dont learn weight transfer you will NEVER be a good drifter
simple as that
weight transfer is the KEY to drifting
all other techniques follow
imho weight transfer is not a technique, it is required to drift and drift well
without it you will never progress and fine tune other techniques (clutch, ebrake, front brake, doing choku dori, manji, feint..etc)

[revat619]

well, i'm an almighty automagic dRiFtA wit an open diff yo! :rolleyes:

I'm learning weight transfer and it is EXTREMELY important, but in my case i have to use a hell of a lot of e-brake!

auto sucks.... :bash:

[RoscoYoungno13]

what about driftin an auto with the stock LSD? I ahve yet to truly test out my suspension, the Plot that i go to at 3am is now a hand out spot for high schoolers, i need to find another place

[Dousan_PG]

auto is tricky but can be done. very difficult though

yeah LSD will help A LOT!!!

[RoNiN240sx]

now everyone knows that rear wheel drive cars are the cars to drift. and if you drive a front wheel drive car that one must use the ebrake, which isn't necessary for a RWD drive. if i'm not mistaken, the eclipse is a FWD right? in other words an FF not an FR? so drifting w/o the ebrake is pretty insane, unless the eclipse is RWD, i dunno much about mitsubishis

[KOUKI KA-T]

and if you drive a front wheel drive car that one must use the ebrake, which isn't necessary for a RWD drive. if i'm not mistaken, the eclipse is a FWD right? in other words an FF not an FR? so drifting w/o the ebrake is pretty insane

It was a typing mistake, he means FF. And the whole point of this thread is to show you CAN drift a front wheel drive car WITHOUT using the e-brake.

[RoNiN240sx]

It was a typing mistake, he means FF. And the whole point of this thread is to show you CAN drift a front wheel drive car WITHOUT using the e-brake.

i figured that was the point he was trying to make but if you look at a lot of the replies many assumed he was talking about and FR and not an FF, saying that they can drift without ebrakes easily, but they're talking about their FR cars, i was simply trying to indirectly point out that drifting without ebraking in an FF was a hard feat, unless i misinterpreted everyone elses replies:hammer:

[95zilvia]

just gotta be going really fast, and like, counter steer.
if it's a left turn... kinda quickly steer to the right, and while the weight is there, steer into the left... that'll get the back to start sliding...
it works, cuz i do this all the time in my accord :D :D

[RBBaby]

who ****ing cares its fwd it has no place in the world of performance automobiles.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Eclipses are really heavy cars, i am a previous owner of a 2nd gen gsx, i can understand him hauling *** and powersliding around a few turns because of how much weight is being thrown around, but if put on a course you could not keep a decent session going without the e-brake unless you have hella horspower and tons of weight reduction on the awd model, then it could be done. As far as fwd goes, the only people that could keep a decent session in fwd's that i have seen have alot lighter cars, and use the ebrake throughout the entire course, what is your definition of good? because if he can drift a street gst on an exceptional level then that is amazing, i dont see how anyone can drift those big a$$ heavy cars succesfully.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by RBBaby
who ****ing cares its fwd it has no place in the world of performance automobiles.

:rolleyes:

[s0ldats]

Originally posted by dousan36
:rolleyes:

deep breaths, count slowly to ten. 1,2,3,4,...

hahaha ;)

ignorant.

[RoscoYoungno13]

on a side note, yesterday, my friend told me he could drift his old Supra, i think its a Celica Supra, pretty old, but anyways, we go to the spot.... and he does some donuts... so then im like :confused: and the he asked me how good of a drifter he was... and the bad part was that he was serious.....

[DoriftoSlut]

This one time... this kid contacted Dousan and our friends, and told him that he knew of some awesome spots to go drifting in Long Beach, but in reality he was full of crap and didn't know what he was talking about. SO he wanted Dousan and Panda to do some donuts on the side of the road since none of his spots were worthwile, and then... and then... they left because it was the biggest waste of time evar. but this Jaso...errr this kid swears he can drift. Like the understeer donut plows he did for some other friends. Yah, he was really "getting the hang of it" that time.

What does this point have to prove? How many posing drifters there are on Zilvia and how most of them cant drift if they were stuck on a piece of wood floating down a river (yes kids, that is what we call driftwood).

ok Im done making fun of this kid for now.

[weirdstyles.net]

ive been lurking for a while...too much work....and I have really notoiced the influx in newbs, ignorance, 1 liner post and all around stoopidity

weird...all this from reading a fwd drift topic...

i cant/dont want to drift. I find it interesting and respect anyone with the ability. I would like to learn for the shear fact that its more of a, and I qoute, "artistic driving"

I am a really big fan of "grip racing". Id love to be Michelle Jourdain....champ car rules... Laguna Seca in 1 minute and 9 seconds... ohhh yea...

too much Gran Turismo 3 for one month...

but i have had a FF drifting experience. 1993 5SFE 2.2 4Cyl 4 Door Camry..... weight transfer, bad tires, bad driver (me) and bad weather...

it ended with car going from

---> sliding
---->| curb
to \ leaning almost vertically
then falling back to --\ with right front and rear; steering, suspension, frame, brakes, rim, drive axles, trans, exhaust and, body damage

1300 in new parts, learned body repair, four days of my knuckles bleeding like I was punching asphalt...and she was running like new

two months later my sister runs into a trash truck in philly and totals the fuaker...ends up with a 2000 5 Speed Intergra with 40k on it...

im still driving my 500$ SOHC....FWD drifting? Yea, I we do that.

[jaaaaaaaaap]

which eclipse is it? arnt the old ones 4wd? maybe thats how he did it

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by jaaaaaaaaap
which eclipse is it? arnt the old ones 4wd? maybe thats how he did it

I highly doubt he meant the latest gen ones. And yes all the previous gen ones were AWD.

Still based on an FF layout though, but prolly would make it a little easier.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
I highly doubt he meant the latest gen ones. And yes all the previous gen ones were AWD.

Still based on an FF layout though, but prolly would make it a little easier.

There are1st, 2nd and 3rd gen eclipses, 1st gen models were GSX, GST & GS. The GST & GS were both fwd. There was no time when there were only awd models.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by nismo_sr20_wut
There are1st, 2nd and 3rd gen eclipses, 1st gen models were GSX, GST & GS. The GST & GS were both fwd. There was no time when there were only awd models.

oh woops guess i said that wrong. I meant that all the previous gens had an AWD version. Not all of them were AWD.