Don't buy garret turbo's anymore

[FTWjesse]

I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

quoted from another forum I frequent

[satal95]

Wow that suxs lol so now XS turbo's are going to be better then garret

[FTWjesse]

xs, borg warner.

a lot of companies will be.

[wgJoY]

Yikes!

Tragic :/

[shiftdrift]

you spelled garrett wrong

[ThatGuy]

you spelled garrett wrong

...and you posted in Chat.


Moved--->

[Jakob]

2 of my buddies turbos ( gt28rs and gt2871r) blew after 7000km (3450miles google ftw) because of bearing failure. both of them were bought brand new and used the proper oil fittings run on a ca18det.

now i don't say that this is a proof for the quoted text above, but it made me think twice about spending money on a garrett turbo.

to me they were always bulletproof turbos, my buddies 1995 s14 with 190000km has its first turbo (and its been abused!!) my 1995 s14 has 140000km and it still has his first turbo, both were made by garret.

i guess everything is just getting worse because humans are more concerned about how much money they save/earn instead of being proud to produce or buy a quality product.

[brndck]

time for a holset!!!!
sucks to see that yet another company has fallen victim to greed over quality.

[frftw]

thats sad. i hope this dont mean that all the s15 bb turbos will suck

[ranger240]

so one anonymous bitter poster is going to serve as a primary source for not buying a product?

[R_G]

what forum is this from?

[Om1kron]

I was thinking of going turbonetics anyway.

[illvialuver]

Sounds like everything will be china spec within the next 5 years.

[MADE]

so one anonymous bitter poster is going to serve as a primary source for not buying a product?


Of course thats the beauty of the internet, you can post random BS and people will listen and not do the research. Kinda like the news. I can't say if this info is valid or not but I wouldn't not buy a garrett turbo just because of this post. This is kinda like the one post about the glued together turbine housing, or the Rota wheel. Post and wait for people to co-sign and the people who have never owned or planned to own will tell everyone else it's garbage.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I was never impressed with Garret even tho I've run them alot. I've had a GT2871R, old school T04-S, GT3071R and now on a GT3582R. How hard is it to add a bead of silicon or add an O-ring to seal the fucking compressor housing onto the CHRA?!?! Fucking shit always leaks, I've even seen them leak thru the damn bolts.

[[w]hite[r]abbit[x]]

Honey Well was at our Career Fair at Iowa State University. I don't know why they even showed up at the career fair if they aren't even hiring any engineers.

[SmogSUX]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/SmogSUX/TurboandRandom004.jpg

Holset FTW :D I <3 my Holset. Made in the UK, no China made shiz here

[brndck]

/\/\/\ hey dood your pistons fell out.

[I LUV MY S13]

Of course thats the beauty of the internet, you can post random BS and people will listen and not do the research. Kinda like the news. I can't say if this info is valid or not but I wouldn't not buy a garrett turbo just because of this post. This is kinda like the one post about the glued together turbine housing, or the Rota wheel. Post and wait for people to co-sign and the people who have never owned or planned to own will tell everyone else it's garbage.

yep agree with this..lets see how this progresses

[SmogSUX]

D: Oh shit wherez mah pistons?? Oh found em..they were in my calipers :D

[Psycho 240 Freak]

Everything is being sent out of the country to be made now, not just Garrett turbos.

[Sergio180sx]

Aw shit i cant wait to see how many pages this thread will get......i say 16 pages

[Teddy]

Great. More knock-off stuff. Just what we need.

[Z U L8R]

i call bs.

i rox precision turbo's (reworked gangstafied garrett's)

Dave

[BlitzRPS13]

Glad i have a Greddy turbo that is made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

[voodoo_child]

correct me if im wrong but is HKS using GARRETT turbo housing?

[C.leland]

this bums me out. i hope its not true.

[NINJASPY]

quoted and snipped--

"Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it."

Cliff Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Garrett)
wiki says Cliff Garrett died in 1963. So brown bagging it and etc, don't mean shit. The man died 47years ago.
heres the wiki for garret/aireasearch Garrett AiResearch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch)
its not their first merger. Merger means new. NEW, things change. Names may stay the same, but things will change.

The last merger was in 1999, 10-11 frigging years ago. How many turbos that we(zilvian's) typically run that are that old? maybe stock turbos, but not much else.

If it was not for china turbos... where would cx racing/etc be without them? and our 600dollar gt35's?

[midnight_rex]

lol im using turbonetics...id rather have a rebuild-able turbo than spending another 1200. nothing wrong with journal bearing turbos =)

[K_style]

Man.. I just bought S15 turbos...
I think it should be fine....

[undesiredshoe]

Garrett turbos are junk...Ill buy them from you guys for a nominal fee so they can be properly recycled.

[epics13]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/SmogSUX/TurboandRandom004.jpg

Holset FTW :D I <3 my Holset. Made in the UK, no China made shiz here

/\/\/\ hey dood your pistons fell out.

D: Oh shit wherez mah pistons?? Oh found em..they were in my calipers :D


LOL its a good thing you found em' :coolugh:

[Soup Nazi]

Never Had any problem with any of my Garret turbo's. I'm not saying that just because I haven't, that this is BS, but just my take on it.

I just don't believe this one bit. Matter of fact I'm ordering an S15 turbo this week.

[idamaster]

Soup Nazi from BFCOT?

[Iron_Zenki]

and thats why I am swaping a VH45 in my baby :]
wont have to deal with boost

[J90lude]

Never Had any problem with any of my Garret turbo's. I'm not saying that just because I haven't, that this is BS, but just my take on it.

I just don't believe this one bit. Matter of fact I'm ordering an S15 turbo this week.

:rofl: I don't believe it either

[yabeet]

I just shelled out for a GT2871R at the beginning of Feb. I hope this is complete bs....

[S13 curtis]

my next turbo is going to be precision anyway, they are way ahead of the game

[shiftdrift]

turbonetics is ahead of the game....

[itwillboost]

I doubt this is true I know at Raceway park thats what most of us run and mine which was bought a month ago is perfect.

[rsibley22]

noooooooooo!!!! outsourcing is bullshit, quality is everything

[s13dan]

glad i sold my caterpillar...

I will say this. My 28rs has been through hell and hasn't failed me yet. I'm pretty sure that most ppl would agree that what Garrett has been putting out works fine, regardless of where it came from. I will research this matter further and if its has any truth to it, I will most likely not purchase from Garrett again..

[tooslick]

Glad i like HKS turbos better

[S13 curtis]

Glad i like HKS turbos better

same as garrett

[Z U L8R]

this won't change my opinion of them.

i've never ran into a bad garrett gt series turbo that wasn't the installer's fault, and the few that i have seen go bad because of that still are 90% less than properly installed wannabe garretts.

so i'm gonna trump heresay with experience and keep on giving garrett and precision my business.

i personally have NEVER had a problem with em and they've always performed better than any other comparable companies turbos.

even better than turbonetics. now what i love about turbonetics is, they make a good product and if you have a problem with theirs they don't give you any crap, they send you a replacement. their customer service is awesome.

my .02

Dave

[lazysk8er2]

my next turbo is going to be precision anyway, they are way ahead of the game


umm they umm are umm garrett um turbos ummmmmmmm

[S14DB]

quoted and snipped--

"Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it."

Cliff Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Garrett)
wiki says Cliff Garrett died in 1963. So brown bagging it and etc, don't mean shit. The man died 47years ago.
heres the wiki for garret/aireasearch Garrett AiResearch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch)
its not their first merger. Merger means new. NEW, things change. Names may stay the same, but things will change.

The last merger was in 1999, 10-11 frigging years ago. How many turbos that we(zilvian's) typically run that are that old? maybe stock turbos, but not much else.

If it was not for china turbos... where would cx racing/etc be without them? and our 600dollar gt35's?


Quoted for the truth.
Garrett Engine Boosting Systems originated from the Gas Turbine division of Garrett AiResearch. In 1954, the AiResearch Industrial Division was established in Phoenix, Arizona for turbocharger design and manufacturing.[1] The AiResearch Industrial Division would later be renamed Garrett Automotive.

In 1964, after a merger with Signal Oil, Garrett became part of Signal Companies.[2] In the mid-1980s, Signal merged with Allied Chemical & Dye, and became AlliedSignal, an automotive, aerospace and engineering company. AlliedSignal merged with Honeywell in 1999, where the turbocharger business was known as Garrett Engine Boosting Systems. Renamed Honeywell Turbo Technologies in 2004, the Garrett name has been retained as a product brand name for aftermarket.[3]

To prove performance and durability, the Garrett brand competes in numerous motorsport series. The company also supports auto racing around the world including sports car racing, drag racing, rally racing, and open-wheel racing.
The plant on 190th will remain and the Lomita Blvd. plant is being moved to the 190th location.

OG Thread: Garrett Turbos...The end of a quality product - NASIOC (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851)
Look at the posters Grammar and Sentence/paragraph structure(or lack there of...)
Sounds like some bullshit rumor to me...

[jspaeth]

Look at the posters Grammar and Sentence/paragraph structure(or lack there of...)
Sounds like some bullshit rumor to me...

I was just in an argument on here with some moron about this like 2 weeks ago. I try to explain to these people that if you type in long, runon setences with incorrect spelling and grammar, no one will take you seriously.

....but he refused to listen

[sirfallsalot243]

Is this the same Honeywell that sells electrical components? Relays, limit switches, etc?

[VROOOM]

I think someone got mad because his benefits got taken away(not too uncommon in this economy) and tried to get back at the company by writing this letter/post

[OBEEWON]

Worst purchase I ever made was a GT2871R. Kick rocks.

Story seems credible. I know cuz I slept at a Holiday Inn express last night.

[koukistylejdm]

if thats the truth what could be the other brandname replacement for something bolt-on on a s14a sr20det like the gt2871r?

[ryguy]

Is this the same Honeywell that sells electrical components? Relays, limit switches, etc?

Yes, same company. They make theromostats and stuff for your house, airplane components, and turbos, among other things.

[jspaeth]

I know cuz I slept at a Holiday Inn express last night.

I am so pissed that they stopped doing those commercials.

[S14DB]

I think someone got mad because his benefits got taken away(not too uncommon in this economy) and tried to get back at the company by writing this letter/post

Yeah if you Google "Garrett Lawsuit" the first thing that pops up is some class action about pensions.

I was looking for these Ford and Caterpillar stuff he is talking about and I can't find shit.

[Dee]

time for a holset!!!!
sucks to see that yet another company has fallen victim to greed over quality.

I would have to agree. :down:

[S14_Kouki]

I would get a precision.

[tricky_ab]

Sounds like everything will be china spec within the next 5 years.

Ugh, please do say that...Just thinking about it, makes me sick!

Great. More knock-off stuff. Just what we need.

!!!THIS!!!

[socal_kouki]

Sounds like everything will be china spec within the next 5 years.

THIS +2
msg

[chinabean]

I used to be a part of making those turbo's and jet engine gears for military and commercial applications at honeywell aerospace/engines&systems at the phoenix facility next to sky-harbor airport til they outsourced and moved my specific load center as well as many others to czech republic and chihuahua, mexico - where garrett turbo parts are being made now =/

[1_Bad_Silvia]

dam it. i was thinking of buying a garret gt2871r .86ar turbo but now reading this just made me hold back. i dont know who to listen to :( everyone has diff. opinions.

[chinabean]

I would guess people would still buy brand name - garret turbo over the "chinese" no brand name turbo lol

[fckillerbee]

I'm surprised no one from garret has replied to this thread....as if zilvia members don't influence the turbo market.

[S14DB]

I'm surprised no one from garret has replied to this thread....as if zilvia members don't influence the turbo market.

Cause this is a copy-pasta thread.

Garrett Turbos...The end of a quality product - NASIOC (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851)

It's a bullshit hearsay. No lawsuits that the OP claims can be found. All Conjecture.

[fckillerbee]

Cause this is a copy-pasta thread.

Garrett Turbos...The end of a quality product - NASIOC (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851)

It's a bullshit hearsay. No lawsuits that the OP claims can be found. All Conjecture.

so nothing factual about quality, and garret hasn't stepped in. I smell bullshit!

[NINJASPY]

quoted and snipped--

"Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it."

Cliff Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Garrett)
wiki says Cliff Garrett died in 1963. So brown bagging it and etc, don't mean shit. The man died 47years ago.
heres the wiki for garret/aireasearch Garrett AiResearch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch)
its not their first merger. Merger means new. NEW, things change. Names may stay the same, but things will change.

The last merger was in 1999, 10-11 frigging years ago. How many turbos that we(zilvian's) typically run that are that old? maybe stock turbos, but not much else.

If it was not for china turbos... where would cx racing/etc be without them? and our 600dollar gt35's?


its fake, read ^^^

[Om1kron]

if someone is going out of their way to expose manufacturing shit like this, I will take it serious regardless if someone is trying to play the detective game to see who's right and whats what. I will just refrain from purchasing, and save the slander until I have factual information.

[fckillerbee]

if someone is going out of their way to expose manufacturing shit like this, I will take it serious regardless if someone is trying to play the detective game to see who's right and whats what. I will just refrain from purchasing, and save the slander until I have factual information.

I can see this as a upset garret customer, that decided to make a great story with "some" fact information. I hear customers at my work all the time talk about how they are going to bad mouth our company in their "1,000" hits per month website. I see this as one of the cases....someone might have taken a lot of effort and thought.

[DataXUnknown]

I was manufactering parts for Garrett/Honeywell at my shop the other day. Nothing has changed with them..

[Brokenspacebar]

People like this are weird as hell! Evolve and find a more dynamic approach to your problems.

[dkenn81]

wow..that's really frickin tragic..

garrett is supposed to be the leader in turbo products!

[bb4_96]

Fuck the quality dispute plenty of people are satisfied with ebay parts. I can't speak for a decline in quality at Honeywell but they are shipping jobs out of the country and that is a fact. All these companies keep shipping out jobs and sooner or later the jobs in america will dwindle. In the short term the cheap labor makes for cheap product for consumers but long term, as more and more companies follow suit... I will not be supporting honeywell.

[TougeLove]

wow..that's really frickin tragic..

garrett is supposed to be the leader in turbo products!

andddddddddddd you missed the 90% of the thread that confirms it was a bullshit post.

[lflkajfj12123]

TD06-20G or bust

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