Yes, again: Nissan rumored to be reviving 240SX, bringing it to the U.S.

[ZilviaBot]

12-11-2009 12:26 PM

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Nissan's plans to revive the 240SX (Silvia in JDM parlance) has almost become a running joke, right up there with the fake moon landing and Tom Cruise's heterosexuality. But still, this old chestnut carries forth, with a new report from Insideline's editor in Japan who says the coupe's revival is due to hit the market sometime in 2011 or 2012.

Details, per usual, are both scarce and obvious. The next-generation Silvia will supposedly be built atop Nissan's popular FM platform (370Z (http://www.autoblog.com/model/370z), Infiniti G (http://www.autoblog.com/model/g37), etc.), come in a 2+2 seating configuration and tip the scales around 2,800 pounds. Naturally, as the S15's successor, it will be a front-engine, rear-drive setup, and is rumored to be packing a turbocharged 1.8-liter inline-four putting out around 200 horsepower. A naturally aspirated variant will also be available to keep the cost of entry low, but the turbo'd model is obviously the pick of the litter and should deliver a 0-60 time of between six and seven seconds.

IL's man in Japan points to the Nissan Foria concept (shown above) as the stylistic inspiration, but notes that the coupe would only be "loosely based" on the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show (http://www.autoblog.com/category/tokyo-motor-show/) concept. Judging by Nissan's recent design endeavors, we doubt the Foria -- or as previously rumored, the Urge concept (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/urge) -- will be a heavy influence on this supposed Silvia revival.

Although we're all for more budget-oriented FR sports cars, the popularity of the Toyota FT-86 (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/ft-86) is sure to be a factor in Nissan's decision to bring the 240SX back to life. That, coupled with the unknown demand for the Hyundai Genesis Coupe (http://www.autoblog.com/model/genesis+coupe) (Hyundai doesn't break out Genesis Sedan from Coupe sales in its monthly reports) makes the proposition of a new 2+2 from Nissan even more hazy. So until we hear something solid from Ghosn and Company, we'll resume our normal respiration routine.


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[NismoDriverS13]

i am hoping to see silvias in the future... S16 possibly?

nissan can not stop making silvias, cause after all there is a lot of them out there and ppl are still buying the S-chassis every where around the world. so come on Nissan don't let us down!!!

[rotas13]

If that thing is the new 240sx.....kill me now. I would not drive that in a million years! What a shit box

[shiftdrift]

if you went on to read the article, it would say loosely based off of. which means that's not it.

IL's man in Japan points to the Nissan Foria concept (shown above) as the stylistic inspiration, but notes that the coupe would only be "loosely based" on the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show (http://www.autoblog.com/category/tokyo-motor-show/) concept. Judging by Nissan's recent design endeavors, we doubt the Foria -- or as previously rumored, the Urge concept (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/urge) -- will be a heavy influence on this supposed Silvia revival.

[nismo 240sx]

shits hideous i think..

[SexPanda]

DISCLAIMER: I know this is a prototype design model thing or whatever... Lay off my suggestions lol

The overall "shape" isnt too bad. A little bulky, but not too bad. Reminds me a little of an S13. But loose the goofy cadillac grill, maybe de-bulk the looks it a little, the rear needs to be a tad bit longer IMO, and for god's sake... loose the RX8 3rd doors. Please. I hope to god it doesnt have 4 doors. Please don't let it have 4 doors.

They're going to want this to compete with the likes of the genesis coupe, the Miata, scion TC, and the upcomming toyobaru. I doubt they're going to use too many design keys from this concept on the production model. Look for a sportier shape, with a few more angles and sharp edges, a more agressive front fascia, and hopefully 2 doors.

[ryguy]

If it was going to be out by 2011, I would assume it would already be in the pipeline and we would know. I doubt it's going to happen.

[fos240]

yeah, me no likey. :barf:

frankie

[eddieflo]

It looks like an FM chassis camaro, lol. I hope they wouldnt bring back a silvia/240sx on the FM chassis, because its already a bunch of cars! It buggs me that the GT-R has basically the same skeleton as the Z... doesn't that make it almost the same car? which would make the maxima the 4-door version of the 2.... simultaneously making it the same as an altima???? ugh.... plus they all have VQ's.... damn

someone please correct me if im wrong...

[Matej]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)

[Enna]

I agree with you matej, completely.

[ghettoSi]

Ugly as all hell.

[bardabe]

I 2nd Matej's motion

[Bigsyke]

3rd, I would buy if it looked like that

[Jacob'S13]

POS.

msgtlgth

[upsdude]

:mad::fawk2:that car looks like a damn ford fusion

[SlideWell]

im with Matej on this one

[I LUV MY S13]

If that thing is the new 240sx.....kill me now. I would not drive that in a million years! What a shit box


Agree...I honestly hope it looks nothing like that

[irax]

IL's man in Japan points to the Nissan Foria concept (shown above) as the stylistic inspiration, but notes that the coupe would only be "loosely based" on the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show (http://www.autoblog.com/category/tokyo-motor-show/) concept. Judging by Nissan's recent design endeavors, we doubt the Foria -- or as previously rumored, the Urge concept (http://www.autoblog.com/tag/urge) -- will be a heavy influence on this supposed Silvia revival.


UGH! people! learn to read! the pictured shown is the Foria which if i remember correctly is basically a revival of the 60's Silvia. And the Urge is the the style of platform they are shooting for.

http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mxVVX-SZq6c/SoGXevuY3uI/AAAAAAAADZc/Rm-i-C7v2yo/s400/Infiniti+Essence+Nissan+Concept+Car+2.jpg

if they bring it back based more off of this style almost all the 240sx enthusiasts would rejoice!

[blu808]

I am all for this
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg

But it will never happen people. it would kill the sales of the new 370z which competes against cars twice the price. Nissan will never jeopardize the sales of cars they have already spent money on tooling.

[treezzy]

ew not JDM !

[jza240sx]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)

i would sell my car asap to buy this one

[VNG704]

lol @ the posts of people who haven't read.

me, bring it back!

[s14canyoncity]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)

if it looked like that im sure the price will be more than a 370z or same

[drift freaq]

if it looked like that im sure the price will be more than a 370z or same

which pretty much means they would not make it or it would be an Infiniti and cost more.


Seriously guys put down the crack pipe. The rendering that dorki did was his fantasy of what he thought they should make it look like. The Fiora was a concept car on Nissan's part. Nissan has never actually built any of their concept cars. If they had they would have had the Ferrari like Supercar market sown up back in the late 80's with the Mid 4.
They do sometimes take design cues from their concepts. There are design cues in the 180sx that are straight out of the first Mid 4 concept. Now will they take cues from the Fiora? Most likely not. Reason being is they are not doing anything retro in the lineup and they have alread seen what the competition is doing.

Expect the car to be along the lines of a Urge and more than likely a shortened Z.

Do not think Nissan would design anything that would be so hot and less than the Z to damage Z sales. It is just not going to happen.

So stop smoking that crack.

[second_chanceS14]

Nissan never did sell the s15 in the U.S. Why not just sell that chassis here and for emission purposes drop a VQ and problem solved, we would have a 240 which looks good and packs decent amount of power. If u ask me, the new cars coming it, are obese as fuck, just look at the new corolla, that shit is almost as big as the camry hahahaha, in a few more years you won't need a camry

[TPS240sxS13]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)

Yes yes yes win!

[drift freaq]

Nissan never did sell the s15 in the U.S. Why not just sell that chassis here and for emission purposes drop a VQ and problem solved, we would have a 240 which looks good and packs decent amount of power. If u ask me, the new cars coming it, are obese as fuck, just look at the new corolla, that shit is almost as big as the camry hahahaha, in a few more years you won't need a camry

They would be hard pressed to just build the S15 again and bring it over. Production costs were to high on the car for the price point. On top of that the S chassis factory that it came out of is now shut down. No more S chassis form factor as we knew it. FM chassis is current.

[nismo 240sx]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)

ill be happy as long at it looks like that ^^^^^
dont matter on what chassis its on..pure sex

[simmode1]

There are design cues in the 180sx that are straight out of the first Mid 4 concept.

I totally agree with you. It's too late for Nissan to release that S15/G37 coupe love-child looking car (as georgeous as it is). They're already starting to move away from that design language. I think the next Silvia will have visual cues from the Essence instead.

I also think Nissan won't have the Z and the Silvia on sale at the same time. By the time we get a new Silvia, it should probably be about 2012/2013. By that time, it should be time for the current Z to be wrapping up it's production and leaving the market for a little while to make room for the Silvia...

[JDM Sil4ty]

that matej model is sooo sexy ..
like the dude up there said .. nissan will not jeopardize the 370z if they make this ..
they spent hella money tooling the Z's ..

[upsdude]

I also think Nissan won't have the Z and the Silvia on sale at the same time


i see where you logic is going with this statement...but if nissan really wanted to they could have the 2 platforms out at the same time...i mean they had the z32 from 90-96, and the s chassis from 89-98 *shrug* i think if the market shows a strong enough demand then the 370z and a cheaper s-chassis replacement will be sold side by side again. hell i think the altima coupe is pretty nice looking, all they's have to do is make it rwd.

[drift freaq]

that matej model is sooo sexy ..
like the dude up there said .. nissan will not jeopardize the 370z if they make this ..
they spent hella money tooling the Z's ..

that is not Matej's model. Dorkidori did that. Its also completely fantasy and does not meet current Nissan design language. Nissan does have the room to sell both cars at once and fact is a Silvia should never take away from the sales of a Fairlady.

The only reason the 180sx did that when was on sale in Japan was because Z32 had become a GT sports car and was no longer true to the design language of Fairlady Roadsters or Fairlady 240Z's. The 350 and 370 returned to that design language and concept.
When Nissan releases a 240sx/180sx/Silvia replacement they will make sure not to make a direct competitor to the Z marketing wise. i.e it will not upstage it.

[SexPanda]

This is how I personally see it working out

Z car: Grown up sports car. around 30 grand, not really available to most people under, say, 25. 300+ hp, 2 seater, 25mpg.

240sx/silvia/whatever replacement. look for 19-23 grand. Thats easier for the <25 crowd to afford. look for under 200hp base (155ish is what I think they'd do, honestly), 35+mpg, excellent handling, good safty ratings, new nissan design.

[drift freaq]

This is how I personally see it working out

Z car: Grown up sports car. around 30 grand, not really available to most people under, say, 25. 300+ hp, 2 seater, 25mpg.

240sx/silvia/whatever replacement. look for 19-23 grand. Thats easier for the <25 crowd to afford. look for under 200hp base (155ish is what I think they'd do, honestly), 35+mpg, excellent handling, good safty ratings, new nissan design.

I would say those would be pertty spot on except you left out the fact that a 370 is an excellent handling car already and winning races.

[SexPanda]

I would say those would be pertty spot on except you left out the fact that a 370 is an excellent handling car already and winning races.

lol oops. Well, it was implied lol. But people are looking forward to something SR-ish... I doubt it.

I'd like to see someone shoop that concept into a real coupe, black.

[mad-ass]

Only thing I wish for Nissan to do.

Start making S15's again, and redesign it to LHD and start selling in US.

That is all.

[SexPanda]

^Itd be nice... but it'll never happen. I'd like Toyota to start making the classic '77 Celica GT again... But they wont. :(

[ronmcdon]

honestly I don't mind the concept at all.
looks almost like a modern datsun 510 (if it only it were a conventional 4-door).
it has a mellow-sleeper look that doesn't call too much attention.
could even be the new male hair-dresser's car.
could be a welcome alternative to the Miata.

the presumed technical specs (1.8l turbo, rwd, lightweight) are all decent.
it might not be a killer car in stock form,
but it seems like it wouldn't be such a bad platform to build a race/modded performance car.
it's not so outlandish it couldn't happen.

keep it within the low 20k's, and it could be a hit.

it could have been much worse.

[jspecusa]

hmm...the s15 silvia spec r sold for 2,400,000yen at that time and yen was 115 to 120 to 1 dollar.
if they have to remake that car again in Japan keep in mind the heavy import tax and the yen is now less then 90 to 1 dollar.
so it would be close to $27k to $30k usd range.
another word the only way to bring down that price is to make it a N/A 4 banger and made in usa, then it would be lower then 25k usd.
I'm sure Nissan Japan will make the S16, coming to USA would be slim chance.

[exitspeed]

Here's my rendering based off the Essence concept. I like the shape of this much better then the Floria concept.

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3926/240again.jpg

[ronmcdon]

that's not bad.
the face reminds me of a friendly whale.

[562nissan]

The 240sx was forced on NNA by NML who wanted the 240sx to be a global model. NNA did not want the vehicle because there was no market for the vehicle and the sales only proved their point.

The 370Z is available in mutliple trim levels; base, roadster and Nismo to hit each customer demographic. Bringing out another sports car when Nissan's to biggest competitors Toyota and Honda currently do not offer a sports car, would only put Nissan at more of risk.

[usdm180sx]

Here's another article from Edmund's Inside Line:

TOKYO — With all the media buzz surrounding Toyota's FT-86 and Honda's CR-Z lately, Nissan, which considers itself the preeminent Japanese sports-car maker, is planning to strike back with an all-new version of the 240SX. After getting the proverbial axe in 2002, the 240SX (we call it the Silvia here) will feature styling and packaging loosely based on the Foria concept car that was shown at the 2005 Tokyo Auto Show.

The next 240SX will be built on a shortened version of Nissan's FR-L platform, the same one used for the 370Z and Infiniti G sedan, meaning that the power will be transferred to the rear wheels.

The resurrected 240SX front-engine/rear-drive 2+2 coupe will retain its predecessor's image (the S15) as Nissan's entry-level performance car. The engine is expected to come in the form of a 1.8-liter turbocharged inline-4 with about 200 horsepower. There also may be a naturally aspirated power plant added to the mix, one that will cater to the bargain hunters. We hear that the car will tip the scales around 2,800 pounds, so expect 0-60-mph times in the 6-7-second range.

Plenty of options will be offered, including a flamboyant body kit.

That the new 240SX will be a popular tuner car is a given, so don't be surprised to see 300- to 400-hp conversions (or more) soon after the car is introduced in 2011 or 2012. As for price, we haven't heard much, but expect it to be right on top of the FT-86 and next-generation Mazda MX-5.

Inside Line says: With hot models like the FT-86 and CR-Z on the horizon, Nissan needs the new 240SX to remain competitive in the entry-level performance car segment. — Mak Tokuyama, Correspondent


The Return of the Nissan 240SX (http://www.insideline.com/nissan/the-return-of-the-nissan-240sx.html)

[ronmcdon]

Is it that much of a risk?
I don't think so.

It's just a concept so far, without solid plans.
As mentioned prior, I think Nissan is allowing Hyundai & (tentatively) Toyota to take the first step to test that market of cheaper rwd cars.

If it doesn't intrude too far into the 370z budget,
It would be a good supplement to Nissan's existing lineup.
Plus, it's not like $30k (base new Z price), plus insurance, mpg, etc is affordable for all.
Bringing in a cheaper, more practical rwd alternative would appeal to a wider audience imo.

I'm optimistic at this point Nissan will do well.
I also think they would be able to execute a $20k rwd turbo car much better than Toyota & Nissan.
(or at least I prefer Nissan's past efforts moreso than Toyota's)

[exitspeed]

We've all discussed this to DEATH over the last few years. Mostly in the http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-2011-240-other-future-rwd-coupe-thread.html thread.

There is plenty of room for this car to slot into Nissan's line-up. If it is going effect any sales it would be the Altima coupe which will be closer in price. The Altima coupe currently doesn't even cut into the Z's sales. Which it shouldn't because it's only similar in the sense that it is a coupe.

IMO the way they need to market the new SX is to make it low HP, light, and inexpensive. Alsmost exactly what Toyota's formula is with the FT86.

Price wise it needs to start at $19,900, and option out at $26-$27k. Maxed out that should be with lsd, nav (if they make that an option which I think Nissan would with their inexpensive NAV options they are going with in the future), Aero, leather, etc etc. A sport/track model should be around $23-$25k. That is the sweet spot.

HP should be around 200-240 dpeending on weight. If the thing weighs in at 2500lbs (I know that's a long shot) then 200hp wouldn't be that bad.

This car wouldn't even come close to cutting into the Z's sales at that point.

Plus the SX should be more of a barebones "sports" car to further differentiate itself from the Altima Coupe and Z.

Look, I'm no industry expert but once you break it down there's plenty of room for all three cars to exist if they are marketed right and they all stand out as different entities. Which I think Nissan has the ability to do correctly.

And lets not forget, when the SX originally came here Nissan was on the verge of bankruptcy. They are FAR from that now which only proves they have the capability to pull this off.

[drift freaq]

We've all discussed this to DEATH over the last few years. Mostly in the http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-2011-240-other-future-rwd-coupe-thread.html thread.

There is plenty of room for this car to slot into Nissan's line-up. If it is going effect any sales it would be the Altima coupe which will be closer in price. The Altima coupe currently doesn't even cut into the Z's sales. Which it shouldn't because it's only similar in the sense that it is a coupe.

IMO the way they need to market the new SX is to make it low HP, light, and inexpensive. Alsmost exactly what Toyota's formula is with the FT86.

Price wise it needs to start at $19,900, and option out at $26-$27k. Maxed out that should be with lsd, nav (if they make that an option which I think Nissan would with their inexpensive NAV options they are going with in the future), Aero, leather, etc etc. A sport/track model should be around $23-$25k. That is the sweet spot.

HP should be around 200-240 dpeending on weight. If the thing weighs in at 2500lbs (I know that's a long shot) then 200hp wouldn't be that bad.

This car wouldn't even come close to cutting into the Z's sales at that point.

Plus the SX should be more of a barebones "sports" car to further differentiate itself from the Altima Coupe and Z.

Look, I'm no industry expert but once you break it down there's plenty of room for all three cars to exist if they are marketed right and they all stand out as different entities. Which I think Nissan has the ability to do correctly.

And lets not forget, when the SX originally came here Nissan was on the verge of bankruptcy. They are FAR from that now which only proves they have the capability to pull this off.

Well said Mel, in fact I cannot really ad much. Except to say that I think it will happen and I don't think it will have as much HP as a lot of people are dreaming for. I peg HP estimate at 170-200.
I honestly expect the FT 86 to come out a lot worse than the concept and it to be much heavier. I.E. no faith in Toyota as far as sports cars are concerned.

Hell, even the Hyundai, is proving to be a ugly, not as great as you all thought it was going to be fail, in my opinion.

[exitspeed]

Well said Mel, in fact I cannot really ad much. Except to say that I think it will happen and I don't think it will have as much HP as a lot of people are dreaming for. I peg HP estimate at 170-200.
I honestly expect the FT 86 to come out a lot worse than the concept and it to be much heavier. I.E. no faith in Toyota as far as sports cars are concerned.

Hell even the Hyundai is proving to be a ugly not as great as you all thought it was going to be fail in my opinion.

I agree on the HP aspect. I can see them coming out with the SX topping out at 200hp. 200 would be the sweet spot for me. I don't care about 0-60 and quarter mile times. Even if it just ran a high 14 I'd be happy in that department. My 3rd Gen Eclipse had 200 hp and weighed around 2900lbs and I was able to get into the 14's easily. Again though a department that doesn't make that much of a difference to me. But if this thing could weight 2600-2700lbs and have 200hp it would be mighty fun.

[usdm180sx]

Sadly cars are heavier these days because of all the electronics, safety equipment and insulation. How much does the Genesis 2.0 turbo weigh??

[exitspeed]

Sadly cars are heavier these days because of all the electronics, safety equipment and insulation. How much does the Genesis 2.0 turbo weigh??

Yeah we all know that, but look at the current gen Miata. It only weighs 2400lbs. Plus Nissan announced (a couple years ago now) that one of it's main goals was to reduce weight and stop making cars bigger every generation.

Nissan has the engineering prowess to make a lightweight car with low HP.

[ronmcdon]

I wouldn't be too fixated on weight alone.
manufacturers have done wonders that would more or less negate the handling/braking.
power figures, I could care less as long as it's turbo.

bottom line is that it's going to be delivered by a company that's proven itself.
that means a lot more than specs alone imo.

[second_chanceS14]

They would be hard pressed to just build the S15 again and bring it over. Production costs were to high on the car for the price point. On top of that the S chassis factory that it came out of is now shut down. No more S chassis form factor as we knew it. FM chassis is current.

ah, i c thanks for clearing that up

[spooled240]

Sadly cars are heavier these days because of all the electronics, safety equipment and insulation. How much does the Genesis 2.0 turbo weigh??

the Hyundai Genesis 2.0 turbo weighs 3294 lbs, not too bad if you think about it, it's about the same size as a G37 and definitely bigger than any s-chassis.

Sure Nissan has that awesome 370Z for their RWD sports car but like many of you guys said, it's expensive and catered more towards middle-aged people that couldn't decide whether to get a BMW or a Mercedes(for the most part). Nissan needs to make a low 2X,000 dollar priced RWD platform around 3,000lbs that will seat 4 people to compete with the 2.0 turbo Genesis. If that FT-86 comes out within the next few years I'd say Nissan will DEFINITELY produce something that will precede the s-chassis

[drift freaq]

the Hyundai Genesis 2.0 turbo weighs 3294 lbs, not too bad if you think about it, it's about the same size as a G37 and definitely bigger than any s-chassis.

Sure Nissan has that awesome 370Z for their RWD sports car but like many of you guys said, it's expensive and catered more towards middle-aged people that couldn't decide whether to get a BMW or a Mercedes(for the most part). Nissan needs to make a low 2X,000 dollar priced RWD platform around 3,000lbs that will seat 4 people to compete with the 2.0 turbo Genesis. If that FT-86 comes out within the next few years I'd say Nissan will DEFINITELY produce something that will precede the s-chassis

Ah you really are showing that you don't know what your talking about. The Z is not that expensive at 30k in fact you can get them below that. I would also say that if you think its catering to middle aged people you are clueless. It caters to people that what a good sports car that performs well for a reasonable price in comparision to the cost of Porsches and whatnot.
On top of that the car that Nissan pushes towards the BMW Mercedes crowd is the G35/G37 not the 350 or the 370. Get your facts straight if you're going to make this argument.

Oh wait you will probably say a Porsche caters to middle aged people as well because of its price? Get a clue. Just because you cannot afford a Z does not mean its catering to a older crowd.

Now on the other side for the money you spend on a Genesis you could buy a used 350 for half the price and it will be just as nice and pretty much a better car.

So that argument flies out the window as well. Unless you just want to buy a ugly car that weighs the same but cost almost twice as much as a used 350 at this time.

Now getting back on to the topic, Nissan does not need to compete with the Genesis. Its not selling that well its not setting records. Its not that amazing. Nissan will produce a 240sx/Silvia replacement because they feel its needed for the market segment.
The FT86 will prod them into this long before they worry about anything Hyundai produces. LOL

Oh and your 4 seater comment LOL give me a break. Our cars may have 4 seats but they hardly qualify as 4 seater. Rear seats that do not fit more than small children do not count as a true 4 seater.

[socal_kouki]

It doesn't matter cause people on here will find a way to make it look like anal crust.

[exitspeed]

I wouldn't be too fixated on weight alone.
manufacturers have done wonders that would more or less negate the handling/braking.
power figures, I could care less as long as it's turbo.

bottom line is that it's going to be delivered by a company that's proven itself.
that means a lot more than specs alone imo.

This is a very good point to bring up. What Nissan has done with the GTR is an absolute engineering marvel. If you read tests drives and comparo's of the GTR still the media is blow away by the fact the the GTR performs as well as it does considering it's weight. It literally defies the laws of physics.

I want these guys designing my next RWD car.

[562nissan]

Looking at the base model MSRP's of the current Nissan line up where would the new 240sx fit in that would not canabilize another current vehicle? The Z is in the perfect place to compete with what ever Toyota and Honda decide to bring to market. Wishing for a 240sx near 20K is not going to happen. The 97-98 Kouki's were not far from that over a decade ago. Believe me I like to dream to, but its not going to happen.

**These MSRP's do not include the $800 destination charge.

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 101pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=135 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2340" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 53pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2596" width=71><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl23 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=64 height=17 x:str="Model ">Model </TD><TD class=xl23 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 53pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=71>Base Price</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Versa</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="9990">$9,990.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Cube</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="13990">$13,990.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Sentra</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="15420">$15,420.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Frontier</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="17540">$17,540.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Altima</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="19900">$19,900.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Rogue</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="20340">$20,340.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Alt Coupe</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="22440">$22,440.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>370z</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="29930">$29,930.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Xterra</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="22450">$22,450.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Titan</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="26320">$26,320.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Pathfinder</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="27440">$27,440.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Murano</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="27680">$27,680.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Maxima</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="30460">$30,460.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Armada</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="37210">$37,210.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[drift freaq]

Looking at the base model MSRP's of the current Nissan line up where would the new 240sx fit in that would not canabilize another current vehicle? The Z is in the perfect place to compete with what ever Toyota and Honda decide to bring to market. Wishing for a 240sx near 20K is not going to happen. The 97-98 Kouki's were not far from that over a decade ago. Believe me I like to dream to, but its not going to happen.

**These MSRP's do not include the $800 destination charge.

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 101pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=135 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2340" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 53pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2596" width=71><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl23 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=64 height=17 x:str="Model ">Model </TD><TD class=xl23 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 53pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=71>Base Price</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Versa</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="9990">$9,990.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Cube</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="13990">$13,990.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Sentra</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="15420">$15,420.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Frontier</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="17540">$17,540.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Altima</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="19900">$19,900.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Rogue</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="20340">$20,340.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Alt Coupe</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="22440">$22,440.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>370z</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="29930">$29,930.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Xterra</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="22450">$22,450.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Titan</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="26320">$26,320.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Pathfinder</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="27440">$27,440.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Murano</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="27680">$27,680.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Maxima</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="30460">$30,460.00</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Armada</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="37210">$37,210.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

You fail to realize that everything under 29k from Nissan is FWD. In other words a RWD car in the 20k would not cannibalize any thing as its a complete different market segment. Most people buying FWD cars do not even think about RWD. So it would not affect the Altima coupe at all and that would be the only car it could possibly effect. Oh and honestly I do not think Altima coupe sales are so great that it would matter as well. So your argument fails.

[spooled240]

Ah you really are showing that you don't know what your talking about. The Z is not that expensive at 30k in fact you can get them below that. I would also say that if you think its catering to middle aged people you are clueless. It caters to people that what a good sports car that performs well for a reasonable price in comparision to the cost of Porsches and whatnot.
On top of that the car that Nissan pushes towards the BMW Mercedes crowd is the G35/G37 not the 350 or the 370. Get your facts straight if you're going to make this argument.

Oh wait you will probably say a Porsche caters to middle aged people as well because of its price? Get a clue. Just because you cannot afford a Z does not mean its catering to a older crowd.

Now on the other side for the money you spend on a Genesis you could buy a used 350 for half the price and it will be just as nice and pretty much a better car.

So that argument flies out the window as well. Unless you just want to buy a ugly car that weighs the same but cost almost twice as much as a used 350 at this time.

Now getting back on to the topic, Nissan does not need to compete with the Genesis. Its not selling that well its not setting records. Its not that amazing. Nissan will produce a 240sx/Silvia replacement because they feel its needed for the market segment.
The FT86 will prod them into this long before they worry about anything Hyundai produces. LOL

Oh and your 4 seater comment LOL give me a break. Our cars may have 4 seats but they hardly qualify as 4 seater. Rear seats that do not fit more than small children do not count as a true 4 seater.

MSRP for a 2009 350z is in the 30's I don't care if you can get them for lower than that, I'm just looking at numbers.

You live in hollywood, look at 80 percent of the people driving these cars and I guarantee you that they are over the age of 28. The kids that do own one are driving ones that are at least 5 years old. This thread is about NEW cars, not used cars. Sure you can get an older 350z for way cheaper I figured that much.

For the most part I'd say a porsche and other cars that are in the 30's and 40's in price are catered more towards the middle aged crowd cuz well, that's who has the money to buy them. Wake up and smell the coffee bro, there are a bunch of teenagers/20 year olds running around in 20 thousand dollar srt-4's, wrx's, civic SI's but not very many driving around in a brand new 370/g37 or at least a porsche for that much lmao..you think infiniti has ass warmers in their seats so the 21 year olds will buy their car? lol

I don't know how the Genesis will sell but the fact is, Hyundai produced a somewhat light-er turbocharged RWD platform for around 22K. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Hyundai was trying to produce something along the lines of the silvia would be in competition IF Nissan decided to produce another 240/silvia.

and s-chassis's are 4 seaters...that's a fact, just because you can't comfortably fit anything larger than an infant baby back there doesn't mean they AREN'T 4 seaters.

[drift freaq]

MSRP for a 2009 350z is in the 30's I don't care if you can get them for lower than that, I'm just looking at numbers.

You live in hollywood, look at 80 percent of the people driving these cars and I guarantee you that they are over the age of 28. The kids that do own one are driving ones that are at least 5 years old. This thread is about NEW cars, not used cars. Sure you can get an older 350z for way cheaper I figured that much.

For the most part I'd say a porsche and other cars that are in the 30's and 40's in price are catered more towards the middle aged crowd cuz well, that's who has the money to buy them. Wake up and smell the coffee bro, there are a bunch of teenagers/20 year olds running around in 20 thousand dollar srt-4's, wrx's, civic SI's but not very many driving around in a brand new 370/g37 or at least a porsche for that much lmao..you think infiniti has ass warmers in their seats so the 21 year olds will buy their car? lol

I don't know how the Genesis will sell but the fact is, Hyundai produced a somewhat light-er turbocharged RWD platform for around 22K. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Hyundai was trying to produce something along the lines of the silvia would be in competition IF Nissan decided to produce another 240/silvia.

and s-chassis's are 4 seaters...that's a fact, just because you can't comfortably fit anything larger than an infant baby back there doesn't mean they AREN'T 4 seaters.

LOL the man from Hesperia thinks he knows what 20 somethings drive in Hollywood. LOL You are the clueless one and I do not need to wake up and smell the coffee. 25-35 does not constitute middle age, and believe me there are a lot of them here driving even more expensive cars than 370's . Sorry you live in bum fuck no where but you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to my area or the bay area for that fact.

[spooled240]

ok well you seem to be the knowledgeable one here, why don't you tell all of us how much a 21 year old SHOULD be able to afford. I guess where you live a brand new 370 ain't shit? I'm sorry I live in reality where 40K dollar cars aren't in my grasp without mommy and daddy's money.

[drift freaq]

ok well you seem to be the knowledgeable one here, why don't you tell all of us how much a 21 year old SHOULD be able to afford. I guess where you live a brand new 370 ain't shit? I'm sorry I live in reality where 40K dollar cars aren't in my grasp without mommy and daddy's money.

You seem to be personalizing this. Are you feeling a little less than? Excuse me a 370 is not a 40k car. I also did not say 21 year old and your perspective seems to be somewhat skewed towards yourself.

Maybe you should open up your eyes and raise your expectations? Maybe you should realize most 21 year old's are not buying new cars period! Most are still in college getting degree's, so when they do graduate they can buy 30k cars.

[upsdude]

so i went to the nissan site and did a "build your own Z" thing...with absolutely no options...no sport brakes or mudflaps..hell not even floor mats-a little over 30k. what's the sales tax rate in los angeles...almost %10? then you gotta add the bullshit insurance and the lovely california registration fees....i'm guessing around 33-34k at least? i wouldn't be surprised to see the top of the line 370z hit the 40k+ price tag after all the fees/taxes. anyways, i think 240sx replacement would be a nice affordable rwd to have in the nissan lineup IMO. and i resent the "bum fuck nowhere" statement...it's tweaker town...get it straight goddamit. :P

[spooled240]

You seem to be personalizing this. Are you feeling a little less than? Excuse me a 370 is not a 40k car. I also did not say 21 year old and your perspective seems to be somewhat skewed towards yourself.

Maybe you should open up your eyes and raise your expectations? Maybe you should realize most 21 year old's are not buying new cars period! Most are still in college getting degree's, so when they do graduate they can buy 30k cars.

lol, not at all. But I think you missed my statement about most of the 21-"ish" year old kids that buy new cars don't buy new 350's/370z's but rather cheaper cars like srt-4's and civic SI's. But let's say you didn't want these FWD cars and you were looking for a brand new RWD Nissan for around 22K. Well, you would be shit out of luck cuz like filiperuvian said, the cheapest 350z you can order is well over 30. The only other equivalent that is out there would be the Genesis 2.0 turbo, that is all I am arguing here.

[ronmcdon]

My uncle drove a Ferrari 308 in his twenties.
But this is in Beverly Hills, so things are a bit different.

[upsdude]

so i went to the nissan site and did a "build your own Z" thing...with absolutely no options...no sport brakes or mudflaps..hell not even floor mats-a little over 30k. what's the sales tax rate in los angeles...almost %10? then you gotta add the bullshit insurance and the lovely california registration fees....i'm guessing around 33-34k at least?
Excuse me a 370 is not a 40k car

Not calling you a liar, but just based on the pricing on a nismo 370 with all the trimmings, it's $40,9000 before all the taxes and fees. well either way, i think 240sx replacement would be a nice affordable rwd to have in the nissan lineup IMO. and i resent the "bum fuck nowhere" statement...it's tweaker town...get it straight goddamit. :cry: :fawkd:

[drift freaq]

so i went to the nissan site and did a "build your own Z" thing...with absolutely no options...no sport brakes or mudflaps..hell not even floor mats-a little over 30k. what's the sales tax rate in los angeles...almost %10? then you gotta add the bullshit insurance and the lovely california registration fees....i'm guessing around 33-34k at least?


Not calling you a liar, but just based on the pricing on a nismo 370 with all the trimmings, it's $40,9000 before all the taxes and fees. well either way, i think 240sx replacement would be a nice affordable rwd to have in the nissan lineup IMO. and i resent the "bum fuck nowhere" statement...it's tweaker town...get it straight goddamit. :cry: :fawkd:

Ah the Nismo edition is a special edition and not really representative of the whole 370 line price wise. To use it as example is ludicrous because the average 370 buyer will not even think about the Nismo edition.
That's like saying a 92 s13 cost almost 20k because the Super Hicas edition was priced their but the average 240 sold for 15k.

[upsdude]

^ok i'll agree with that premise. still, if the "average" 370z buyer is looking at the entire line for this car from the base, to touring, sport, touring+sport packages that's a range of $30,000 to $37,660. toss in the options and fees/taxes/dealer markups and this car can turn expensive quick. Maybe i've been spoiled by the fact that i haven't had a monthly car payment for about a year now (all 3 cars paid off finally) or just plain out of touch; but if i'm pricing cars and i'm looking in the mid to upper 30k range approaching $40k, i might as well start looking at audis or something...personally, i'd pay 30k for a decked out for the 240 replacement over a base model Z. but hey that's just me. you mentioned being able to buy a used Z at a decent price. if i'm gonna spend around 20k on a car, it might as well be brand spankin' new with a warranty you know?

ps. i like the genesis. you can get one that's got the nice brakes and hid's and leather and stuff. if nissan doesnt bring an s-chassis replacement and the genesis is still around in a couple years, i'd consider buying it-or the ft86 if it looks anything like the pics floating around.

but hey to each his own-if you got 30k for a base-Z by all means get it and enjoy it :)

[exitspeed]

Looking at the base model MSRP's of the current Nissan line up where would the new 240sx fit in that would not canabilize another current vehicle? The Z is in the perfect place to compete with what ever Toyota and Honda decide to bring to market. Wishing for a 240sx near 20K is not going to happen. The 97-98 Kouki's were not far from that over a decade ago. Believe me I like to dream to, but its not going to happen.

**These MSRP's do not include the $800 destination charge.

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Man you are totally missing the point here. The Z is around $30k (Dave lets just call it $30 to START). With any kind of actual options out the door you're looking at low $30's call it, $33k.

Toyota is projecting the FT86 to START at $20. That in NO way would be a car competing with the Z. It's also going to be a small MAYBE 200hp 4cyl engine. Again, NOT competing with the Z. It's not even close. That's like saying the Z competes with a Vette. It really doesn't.

The SX can range from $20k to $29K and still be placed perfectly fine in Nissans' lineup.

The problem I think you're having is that you are comparing it to the old SX. The OLD Nissan made the OLD SX. This is a new Nissan. With better engineering and a more clear idea of who they are and what they need to do to truly be competitive. The GTR is the epitome of that.

Lets be honest, the SX failed hard in the US because it was under powered and over priced. We know, and Nissan knows this.

But there's also another reason the Nissan failed, and that was actually the lack of direct competition. Think about it, there was the far more expensive GT cars on the market like the Supra, RX7, 3000GT, and Nissan's own 300ZX. Those cars were well over $10k more then an SX. The SX's more direct competition was the ford Probe, and Mazda MX6. And come on, those cars failed even harder then the SX. At least the SX had the right chassis.

So fast forward to 2008 and things are much different. There are actual cars that would compete with a new SX. The Genesis, which starts at $22, the FT86 which will start at $20.

I could ramble on and on about how many ways this works. But I think I've said enough.

[ronmcdon]

Idk, I think 20k-something dollar range rwd was dominated by the Mustangs and Camaros.
the Miata was also popular with certain customers.
These weren't terrible cars either at the time, and much better handling than muscle cars of old.

I know I would have gladly taken a Camaro over the 240.
Older Miatas still dominate several diff types of track events till this day.

[exitspeed]

Idk, I think 20k-something dollar range rwd was dominated by the Mustangs and Camaros.
the Miata was also popular with certain customers.
These weren't terrible cars either at the time, and much better handling than muscle cars of old.

I know I would have gladly taken a Camaro over the 240.
Older Miatas still dominate several diff types of track events till this day.

I don't see a Miata as a 240 competitor.

I don't think people were cross shopping muscle cars with Japanese secretary cars either.

Even now, I really don't think there are a lot of people that would be cross shopping the Genesis and Camaro. They are just too different as far as personality goes.

[Bushido]

^ FYI, Hyundai used the Mustang as the target for the Genesis during development.

you better believe that Nissan will take into consideration the competition of the v6 neo-muscle cars out now.

even though i foresee the new SX to be lighter and less powerful...

[drift freaq]

^ FYI, Hyundai used the Mustang as the target for the Genesis during development.

you better believe that Nissan will take into consideration the competition of the v6 neo-muscle cars out now.

even though i foresee the new SX to be lighter and less powerful...

Ya and as a result the Genesis is a big car. Its the freaking size of a G37. The G35/Skyline Gt350(In Japan a Syline GT350 would be considered a entry level vehicle for its model) did not sell well in Japan due to its size. The 350z sold better.

Size is a big deal(when it comes to entry level sports oriented vehicles) and its why both the 350 and the 370 are visually smaller cars. I would agree with on the a New SX being smaller and lighter and definitely less powerful.

Though at the same time it would wind up being the better tuner over the Hyundai.

[upsdude]

Though at the same time it would wind up being the better tuner over the Hyundai.

Yup, it probably would since Nissan is a more established brand. the aftermarket support would be there for sure, even if they screw up and put in another truck motor hah. People still have that "eh? it's a HYUNDAI!?" kinda reaction to the genesis-which sucks since I think it's a nice car, even if it is overweight. it comes with a kick-ass warranty, nice creature comforts, and I personally like the leather interior...that and you have a good number of trim levels to choose from. At least Hyundai is trying to make an affordable RWD car that's geared towards the tuner folks, you know?

[Walperstyle]

ew not JDM !

ewww, fanboy talk

[spooled240]

the genesis is big...but then again there aren't very many small cars out there anymore. My s14 looks like a toy when I park next to a lot of these new cars lol

[upsdude]

yup, and people nowadays like comfort and all the little gadgets...

[drift freaq]

Regardless the Genesis has yet to prove itself and is to large. Its larger than a used 350z and you can have a used 350Z for 10k shit 4 years ago people were still paying 10k for Kouki s14's.
I will take the used 350Z long before I would touch the Genesis(hell I would not even touch a Genesis, LOL). No payments less hassle I could care less about Hyundai's warranty. I am gonna go with a company I know has sports car history when it comes to Sports cars.

Hell even when Nissan introduced the 240Z they had already had sports car experience for years withe 1600 and 2000 Roadster.

Oh and if Nissan brings out a dope SX replacement I would consider.

Sorry guys but nothing you say is going to make even think twice. Hyundai a Korean economy car maker that has decided they want to play Sports car, but can't even get it right with the first car. IMO

[mad-ass]

I have a feeling that I'll own my S14 for good 5 more years before I even consider to buy 350/370Z.

Nissan really just needs to start making S14's and S15's again and call it good. :p

[kingkilburn]

Regardless the Genesis has yet to prove itself and is to large. Its larger than a used 350z and you can have a used 350Z for 10k shit 4 years ago people were still paying 10k for Kouki s14's.
I will take the used 350Z long before I would touch the Genesis(hell I would not even touch a Genesis, LOL). No payments less hassle I could care less about Hyundai's warranty. I am gonna go with a company I know has sports car history when it comes to Sports cars.

Hell even when Nissan introduced the 240Z they had already had sports car experience for years withe 1600 and 2000 Roadster.

Oh and if Nissan brings out a dope SX replacement I would consider.

Sorry guys but nothing you say is going to make even think twice. Hyundai a Korean economy car maker that has decided they want to play Sports car, but can't even get it right with the first car. IMO

When you can look at what made certain cars successful over the years it can't be too hard to get it in the ball park on your first try. Look at all the start up super car companies that come right in with 200+ mph cars that still manage to look and sound good. I would think that a sporty coupe couldn't be that hard to get right if the market is there.

[98s14inaz]

If that thing is the new 240sx.....kill me now. I would not drive that in a million years! What a shit box

^this. That concept looks like utter [email protected] Thanks but no thanks.

[spooled240]

lol even the new civics and corolla's are getting big! compare the original 86 corolla to a new corolla S haha

I love Z's and G's but they are too big for me. IF nissan makes another silvia/SX I hope it's not a big car but I'd say it will definitely be bigger than the old s13/s14's

[kingkilburn]

The 86 was not the original.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/1968_Toyota_Corolla-Sprinter_01.jpg

[upsdude]

Sorry guys but nothing you say is going to make even think twice. Hyundai a Korean economy car maker that has decided they want to play Sports car, but can't even get it right with the first car. IMO

hmm, well no one's forcing you to like the genesis, but that kind of closed mindedness is what doomed the Titan when it went up against the die hard brand loyalty of the "big 3" truck makers . Rhys Millen seems to be doing a good job of building up the Genesis' racing rep by winning Pike's peak. It's true-Nissan has the sports car heritage. but that didn't seem to play a role when they decided to screw the USDM market by fitting the s-chassis with a KA instead of the SR that the rest of the world got.

OK, so america got the Z-sports car. what else did WE get from Nissan? Skyline? nope. Pulsar gti-r? nope. hell we didn't even get the s15. Finally we get the GTR, but seriously, how many of us can afford one?
No matter how prestgious Nissan's "racing heritage" is, here in the states we don't really get to benefit from it. I don't know about you but the sentras, with the bubble but design, wasn't doing it for me. even if it did come with the "se-r" badge-what is the chassis code? b13 or something? either way...just fugly. they couldn't even do the 200sx right...is just morphed into the damn sentra lol. Racing heritage doesn't mean a damn thing if the people in charge can't put together a good lineup.

Lastly, say what you like about the genesis...not just you freaq, but to everyone else who doubts it. Everyone has to start from somewhere. if it fails, it fails. but hey at least Hyundai's trying.


If that thing is the new 240sx.....kill me now. I would not drive that in a million years! What a shit box

that's my main gripe with nissan. aside from the infiniti division, the nissan cars the past few years have been ugly. the maxima and altima coupe look nice, but that's about it. and personally i don't like the design of the Z.

Just checked the build your own altima deal on the interwebz. for 3k less than the base 370 you can get a coupe that's got the same engine. Nissan could just make this sucker RWD and call it a day.

P.S. people used to make fun of anything and everything that was made in Japan...well we know how that turned out ;)

[drift freaq]

hmm, well no one's forcing you to like the genesis, but that kind of closed mindedness is what doomed the Titan when it went up against the die hard brand loyalty of the "big 3" truck makers . Rhys Millen seems to be doing a good job of building up the Genesis' racing rep by winning Pike's peak. It's true-Nissan has the sports car heritage. but that didn't seem to play a role when they decided to screw the USDM market by fitting the s-chassis with a KA instead of the SR that the rest of the world got.

OK, so america got the Z-sports car. what else did WE get from Nissan? Skyline? nope. Pulsar gti-r? nope. hell we didn't even get the s15. Finally we get the GTR, but seriously, how many of us can afford one?
No matter how prestgious Nissan's "racing heritage" is, here in the states we don't really get to benefit from it. I don't know about you but the sentras, with the bubble but design, wasn't doing it for me. even if it did come with the "se-r" badge-what is the chassis code? b13 or something? either way...just fugly. they couldn't even do the 200sx right...is just morphed into the damn sentra lol. Racing heritage doesn't mean a damn thing if the people in charge can't put together a good lineup.

Lastly, say what you like about the genesis...not just you freaq, but to everyone else who doubts it. Everyone has to start from somewhere. if it fails, it fails. but hey at least Hyundai's trying.


P.S. people used to make fun of anything and everything that was made in Japan...well we know how that turned out ;)

It really has nothing to do with being close minded. Fact is I feel Hyundai failed and I am just not a fan of Hyundai. Never have been. I would buy a Corvette C6 before I ever bought a Hyundai.
As far as your whining about the whole racing heritage thing LOL. Kids these days. I started out with Datsun 510's and then moved to 240Z's yes I am older.

Sure anyone can throw tons of money at a platform and make it perform better. Like your example of Rhy's Millen and of course he is going to take the car and play with it since they sponsored it. I.E. free car and financial backing.

Hell Mitsubushi makes terrible cars but people still love the EVO though I would not own one. May perform great but also will fall apart in a few years. LOL

Oh and as to your argument about the KA there are several reasons we got it.

1. Americans love of torque VS HP which the Japanese have taken note of.
2. At the time the unpopularity of Turbocharged cars by the American consumer
3. Nissan North America's at the time unfounded fear that a turbocharged SX would upstage the NA Z car sales. ( Which actually happened in Japan with the 180sx and turned out to have been a true fear)
4. Nissans wish to rekindle the entry level feel of a sports car with the 240 moniker because of the Z hence a 2.4 putting out 150 hp. Aka same numbers as the S30 Z.

Now given all those factors is why we got the KA. Plus Nissan was not exactly in good financial shape in the 90's due to upper level mismanagement.

as far as what Nissan is doing now company wise they are striking on all cylinders i.e. they have performed through this recession a lot better than A their largest competitor Toyota and B Honda. Don't believe me? Look at the financial data. The company is in much better shape than it has been and is poised to easily deliver on yours all the fanboys wishes.

Whether it works for you guys is purely up to your personal taste. Personally I do not like the Genesis and theirs is nothing anyone can say that would change my mind. It looks ugly and big to me.
Larger than a 350 or a 370. I consider 350's to have slipped into the easily obtainable range as well.

Lastly I said this before and I will say it again. Any car I am going to be playing with Performance wise is not something I would buy new to begin with. Payments, factory warranties, excess costs to modify because its new all add up. These are all factors that would make me wait till damn near any sports car is a few years old before even buying it.

If you want to buy something new and drive it right out of the box and do nothing more? Buy something new. If you want to start going done the modification road? Stick to something used and save yourself some headaches.

I would buy a GTR new for that very reason. I would just drive it as it is and be happy.
I cannot say that about most new cars. Most new cars I would want to modify.
I can say the 370 could be bought new and driven as well. Then again I would wait a couple of years to let someone else eat the depreciation on it. LOL

[upsdude]

wasn't whining about racing heritage, just rebutting your statement:
I am gonna go with a company I know has sports car history when it comes to Sports cars.


and i'm not a kid...i have a kid, but i'm no 20-something...so please refrain from the name calling.

you have some good points, but if Nissan decides to bring in a 240 replacement that looks anything like that blue concept car it's gonna fail IMO. how much of nissan doing well during the recession is due to the success of infiniti? it's not a rhetorical question...seriously i'm curious what nissan did that made it fare better.

and i still think the 350/370's are just ugly, attainable or not.

[spooled240]

The genesis is pretty big, and the front styling is pretty weird-looking IMHO.

it looks like: \ _ /

But I have to give props to hyundai for putting a considerably cheap RWD car with some performance and a soon-to-be huge volume of aftermarket support.

The 86 was not the original.


yea i know, idk why i put original lol

[irax]

unsubscribbed.. i'm sure if there is any good info on the return of the SX dave would call me about it.

[drift freaq]

wasn't whining about racing heritage, just rebutting your statement:


and i'm not a kid...i have a kid, but i'm no 20-something...so please refrain from the name calling.

you have some good points, but if Nissan decides to bring in a 240 replacement that looks anything like that blue concept car it's gonna fail IMO. how much of nissan doing well during the recession is due to the success of infiniti? it's not a rhetorical question...seriously i'm curious what nissan did that made it fare better.

and i still think the 350/370's are just ugly, attainable or not.


That Blue concept was a concept from like 4 years ago. Trust me I have seen renderings( out of Japan not the U.S.) for the 240sx replacement and they are not the Fiora concept.

I find it completely funny that you think the 350 or the 370 are ugly but love the Genesis. Seeing as the Genesis bites off the whole 350 and G35 design and does it worse. LOL

On and sorry you took offense to the statement about kids. It was not directed solely at you. Plus its hardly name calling and if you think it is then you're pretty damn sensitive. lol

[murda-c]

I think the genesis looks more like a tiburon or supra.

[upsdude]

I find it completely funny that you think the 350 or the 370 are ugly but love the Genesis. Seeing as the Genesis bites off the whole 350 and G35 design and does it worse. LOL


why's that funny? it's all a matter of who finds what apealing ain't it? I was just never a fan of how the Z's were designed, that's all. well i take that back, the old z's from the 70's i like. but other than that they just never did it for me. i dunno, i just like the look of the genesis better, that's all. doesn't mean i'm a fanboy, i just like it. i liked the last incarnation of the tiburon too(not the one with the circular lights...the model year after that one). I thought it looked pretty nice. :2c:

[drift freaq]

why's that funny? it's all a matter of who finds what apealing ain't it? I was just never a fan of how the Z's were designed, that's all. well i take that back, the old z's from the 70's i like. but other than that they just never did it for me. i dunno, i just like the look of the genesis better, that's all. doesn't mean i'm a fanboy, i just like it. i liked the last incarnation of the tiburon too(not the one with the circular lights...the model year after that one). I thought it looked pretty nice. :2c:

You have your opinions and I have mine. As far as you having to say your not a fanboy? I did not call you one but the fact that you clarify you are not, makes one wonder if you feel you are? LOL

Honestly Hyundai did take design cues from the Nissan's if you can't see that you are blind in my opinion.
On top of that I feel the first Tiburon was butt ugly and the second one was biting off other peoples designs and not particularly well. Same goes ofr the Genesis like I said before.

On top of all this you have taken this whole thread off topic with profession of love for the Tiburon and Genesis and insistence of sticking up for it.

The thread is about Nissan's and the future 240 not the Ugly ass Genesis and Tiburon's.

Why don't you go buy a Hyundai and join a Hyundai forum seeing as you seem to like them more than Nissan's.

Nothing cracks me up more on this forum a Nissan forum then people who come here and hate on Nissans and people who like them. Then they champion non Nissan cars, and get all upset when people who like Nissan's point all the facts about Nissan's. If you can't handle people liking NIssan's then you should not be here.

Its a Nissan forum not a Toyota Forum, Not a Hyundai forum, Not a any other brand forum.

[upsdude]

I find it completely funny that you think the 350 or the 370 are ugly but love the Genesis. Seeing as the Genesis bites off the whole 350 and G35 design and does it worse. LOL



I don't know why you find that so hard to believe...i mean people find different things appealing. for me, i like the design of the genesis better than that of the 350z/370z and the fact that it's from an underdog company makes it more appealing to me. The g-lineup is different. i love how they look. the g37 coupe is something i'd pay 35k-40k for...the 370? not so much. the infiniti brand has nice designs IMO. Nissan? eh, the altima coupe, and the new maxima that's about it...oh and the cube's grown on me too :) I've never really been a fan of the Z chassis. well i take that back the ones from the 70's i like but that's about it. yeah performance wise they kick ass...other than that they're just butt ugly.
I even think the new GTR is ugly-the headlights look like a rip-off of the altima/350. i don't care how well it's engineered it's oooogly to me...i'd take the r34 over that any day. :2c:

the problem i have is that all the cool stuff never makes it to america. so the whole "this company knows how to make a sportscar" argument doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. what good is it if most of the fun features of that sports car know-how is only available in japan...or more accurately available to every other country but the U.S.? i wouldn't be surprised if this toybaru ft-thingamabobber gets totally bastardized in the U.S. market. say what you will about the genesis, i like the fact that hyundai went out on a limb with it. Might not have gotten it totally right, but i can get the turbo track edition that comes with the brembos, HID's, and leather for under 30k. and for me, the warranty is a big deal because i like having that assurance. so yeah, it's a car i would consider. Not a fanboy or anything cuz if i was i'd be like calling ppl names over this shit lol...just saying.

[drift freaq]

I don't know why you find that so hard to believe...i mean people find different things appealing. for me, i like the design of the genesis better than that of the 350z/370z and the fact that it's from an underdog company makes it more appealing to me. The g-lineup is different. i love how they look. the g37 coupe is something i'd pay 35k-40k for...the 370? not so much. the infiniti brand has nice designs IMO. Nissan? eh, the altima coupe, and the new maxima that's about it...oh and the cube's grown on me too :) I've never really been a fan of the Z chassis. well i take that back the ones from the 70's i like but that's about it. yeah performance wise they kick ass...other than that they're just butt ugly.
I even think the new GTR is ugly-the headlights look like a rip-off of the altima/350. i don't care how well it's engineered it's oooogly to me...i'd take the r34 over that any day. :2c:

the problem i have is that all the cool stuff never makes it to america. so the whole "this company knows how to make a sportscar" argument doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. what good is it if most of the fun features of that sports car know-how is only available in japan...or more accurately available to every other country but the U.S.? i wouldn't be surprised if this toybaru ft-thingamabobber gets totally bastardized in the U.S. market. say what you will about the genesis, i like the fact that hyundai went out on a limb with it. Might not have gotten it totally right, but i can get the turbo track edition that comes with the brembos, HID's, and leather for under 30k. and for me, the warranty is a big deal because i like having that assurance. so yeah, it's a car i would consider. Not a fanboy or anything cuz if i was i'd be like calling ppl names over this shit lol...just saying.


I could say I don't know why you find it so hard to believe that Hyundai bit off Nissan. I could say I don't why you find it hard to believe that the Genesis is not ugly. LOL
I will not though but its funny that you find feel that way about my feelings of your opinion.
I do not find it hard to believe, everyone is entitled to what other may consider bad taste. LOL Some guys like blondes some guys like Brunettes.

I am opinionated I won't deny it. Opinions based on facts. Plus you are the one that keeps coming back for more. My previous post had already laid things to rest.

As far as your argument about we get all the reject stuff. LOL That is an old argument that dates to the 90's. In the last 7 years every single Nissan performance car that has been sold in Japan has had the exact same performance specs as its U.S. counterpart. Your argument about them holding back no longer holds water.

Of course with your dislike of the cars you have not taken the time to notice or realize this.

Like I said before if you like the Hyundai so much go buy one and join a Hyundai forum.

I do not like them, they are ugly and they are big. I.E. in my opinion they are a waste of time . End of story.

[upsdude]

oh wow i ended up putting up 2 different posts? whoops. was typing one and the window died so i made another post hence the quote twice. haha and you responded to both lol oh well :doh::duh:...i'm pretty embarassed 'bout that.

Of course with your dislike of the cars you have not taken the time to notice or realize this.

Hell yeah i dislike most of the new nissan cars. most of em have turned out ugly. i like the brand alot-i have a titan and an s14. my first car was the 84 pulsar;my families owned 2 sentras and a hardbody truck. i've just been trying to have a spirited discussion that's all. but if it sounds like i'm "hating" on nissan so be it. i just haven't liked alot of the designs they've come out with i think most of us here miss the import cars of the 90's no? nowadays it's all about the "green" b.s. and increasingly strict emissions laws 'specially here in cali. All i'm trying to say is, If nissan decides to bring back the 240, and it's a dissappointment i'm not gonna hesitate to try out another brand. the Z isn't an option due to personal taste, but obviously for you that's a different story.
Plus you are the one that keeps coming back for more.
dude you think this kind of argument phases me? i'm married this is nothing lol...'gnite.

[s15specR]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)


DAMN !!!!!! Thats sick! I want two!

S16 ???

[spooled240]

looks great but it shoulda been made like 3 years ago lol

Nissan would have to make another 4 cylinder for another silvia, the sr20 doesn't meet emissions standards since 2002 IIRC and well, the sr has been used since '88? lol

and as far as the 350z/370z styling, it's ok...definitely not something i go crazy for..I like G35's better. But it doesn't mean I'm against Nissan, there are very few cars that excite me nowadays to be completely honest. I think if Nissan made another silvia it will have the same performance options as Japan, America's tuner market has grown over the past decade where subaru and mitsubishi can stock and sell 40 evo's and sti's in their car lots(I don't think that would've happened back in '95)

[SexPanda]

damn this is one of the longest threads this category has ever seen I think.

I like the design a little, even if it is a pre-production pre-everything concept. I mean, there are a few things Id personally change, but if this is how the new silvia is going to look, then I'll learn to like it.

[ronmcdon]

evos actually aren't doing all that great in terms of sales in the US.
mitsu ommited from making the '09 evo completely.
you can still get some '08 evos (esp the pricey MR's at discount).

then again, everyone's hurting in this economy.
which is maybe why it's not such a bad idea to release something a little later.

[90KAcoupe]

i didnt ready the whole thread.. but i think we are all hoping the s16 comes to reality but i figure id see if any of yall had seen this.. i kinda like it... but i think it would make a nice awd turbo car like at a subi/evo rival..

Nissan Future and Concept Vehicles | Nissan USA (http://www.nissanusa.com/future-and-concept-vehicles/) then click sport coupe.

or http://www.nissannews.com/image.do?id=2936

[exitspeed]

damn this is one of the longest threads this category has ever seen I think.

I like the design a little, even if it is a pre-production pre-everything concept. I mean, there are a few things Id personally change, but if this is how the new silvia is going to look, then I'll learn to like it.

Which is frustrating because we've been discussing this for years in the thread in Off Topic. This thread is just a rehash of everything that's already been discussed.

[Future240]

Which is frustrating because we've been discussing this for years in the thread in Off Topic. This thread is just a rehash of everything that's already been discussed.

Pretty much its the same old stuff, with the same old info, with that same old photoshop.

[RyanHampton]

I know its been said a 100 times...It looks ugly and cheap. I think Nissan styling is heading towards American influence.

[exitspeed]

There is plenty of room for this car to slot into Nissan's line-up. If it is going effect any sales it would be the Altima coupe which will be closer in price. The Altima coupe currently doesn't even cut into the Z's sales. Which it shouldn't because it's only similar in the sense that it is a coupe.

IMO the way they need to market the new SX is to make it low HP, light, and inexpensive. Alsmost exactly what Toyota's formula is with the FT86.

Price wise it needs to start at $19,900, and option out at $26-$27k. Maxed out that should be with lsd, nav (if they make that an option which I think Nissan would with their inexpensive NAV options they are going with in the future), Aero, leather, etc etc. A sport/track model should be around $23-$25k. That is the sweet spot.

HP should be around 200-240 dpeending on weight. If the thing weighs in at 2500lbs (I know that's a long shot) then 200hp wouldn't be that bad.

This car wouldn't even come close to cutting into the Z's sales at that point.

Plus the SX should be more of a barebones "sports" car to further differentiate itself from the Altima Coupe and Z.

Look, I'm no industry expert but once you break it down there's plenty of room for all three cars to exist if they are marketed right and they all stand out as different entities. Which I think Nissan has the ability to do correctly.

And lets not forget, when the SX originally came here Nissan was on the verge of bankruptcy. They are FAR from that now which only proves they have the capability to pull this off.

Just today regarding the FT-86. My pricing breakdown for the SX doesn't sound so crazy now does it?

Update on the FT-86.

REPORT: Track-focused, budget-oriented Toyota FT-86 on the way &mdash; Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/22/report-track-focused-budget-oriented-toyota-ft-86-on-the-way/)

The latest issue of EVO hasn't dropped into our laps yet, but our favorite Brit pub apparently got the scoop on another variant of the Toyota FT-86 -- one that's supposedly track tuned and considerably cheaper than the model due to arrive in 2011.

Powered by the same Subaru-sourced, Toyota-tuned boxer four, this supposedly stripped out variant could dispatch some of the standard model's amenities and come equipped with upgraded brakes and suspension components specifically designed for track work and drifting duty. According to EVO, a fully optioned FT-86 would carry a price tag of around $27,000, while this budget-oriented performance model will retail for around $22,000 -- a similar setup to the Hyundai Genesis Coupe RSpec.

This is almost what I've been saying all along as far as price for this car and also where the new SX should fit in.

It's the perfect price range for these cars.

[jspecusa]

I just spoke to my friend who works for a company they supply
parts to Nissan and other car manufacturer.
They already have a list of cars planned for next 2 year and sorry
no new rwd coupe from Nissan listed.
They do however are planning a bad ass minivan, seem like the next big battle is
the Sienna vs Odyssey vs Elgrand?
He also said in the next 2 years Ford will come up as #1 in styling.

Personally if I can tell Nissan USA what to do I would tell them to.
Use the S15 chasis, suspension, rear end since all the tooling is already done(that's the
most expensive part about making a car).
Make the car into a hatchback, yes hatchback.
As for styling is simple, Ferrari California headlight and Austin Martin tail lights done.
Then again Nissan will be creative and trying to make their own unique styling
like the 370z, which make it a fuglady?

[exitspeed]

I just spoke to my friend who works for a company they supply
parts to Nissan and other car manufacturer.
They already have a list of cars planned for next 2 year and sorry
no new rwd coupe from Nissan listed.
They do however are planning a bad ass minivan, seem like the next big battle is
the Sienna vs Odyssey vs Elgrand?
He also said in the next 2 years Ford will come up as #1 in styling.


He works for a company that supplies every single part for Nissan? No offense but a guy that works for an OEM saying it's not coming out isn't absolute proof.

[jspecusa]

I'm sure you know the car is put together with parts from different oem suppliers.
The suppliers will receive list of cars planned for next few years from that manufacturer.
All he saying is that it's not listed in the next 2 year planning list as new model.
I'm just passing info that I got that's extremely reliable, believe it or not I don't care.

[exitspeed]

I'm sure you know the car is put together with parts from different oem suppliers.
The suppliers will receive list of cars planned for next few years from that manufacturer.
All he saying is that it's not listed in the next 2 year planning list as new model.
I'm just passing info that I got that's extremely reliable, believe it or not I don't care.

I'm aware they get parts from different suppliers. I'm just questioning whether his particular company makes parts for every single Nissan vehicle.

To add, this wouldn't surprise me anyway. The Toyota FT86 is set to come out in 2013. Nissan hasn't even released a serious "this is the next SX" concept. Just random sport coupe concepts with no ties to a production car at all. So even if we see a concept in the next 6-9 months, it wouldn't be out of the question that the car would come out in 2013 or later.

[kingkilburn]

Can this just get locked or merged already?

[rb26man]

^^^ lol :keke:

[GripTerror]

if its small v6 turbo or 2.x liter turbo, rwd, doublewishbone front and rear, excellent rigid/strong chassis, modifable, under 2800lbs and close to 2000lbs when stripped and costs 15-<25k< im potentially parting out my track car and getting it,,,, that is if such a thing happens otherwise forget it. lol

[Adam.G]

matej knows exactly what I want. I would save for a LONG time if needed to buy that version. Any other concept renderings I've seen look no where near as appealing. Just an honest opinion.

[nismo_nate]

as long as its not that blue ugly thing

[Ceejaayxx]

man if they do bring it back it's gonna have soo muchhh technologyyyyyyyyyyyy.

[Wes225]

That thing needs to be crushed, NOW!

[alfredohmg]

yeah, im not feeling it

[RB24_S14]

Wish it would look like this.
http://www.matejblahut.com/gallery/d/704-1/wishthiswasthes16.jpg
(Repost this in every S16 discussion, for Nissan to see.)

From my knowledge I saw this car will come out in the USA. I hope it does. Looks so sexy...Almost as much as the S15...So sexy! But the cube proto type looks like a shit box. I would perfer to drive a civic. Seriously. COMON NISSAN. BRING THE S CHASSIS BACK. I would sell my Kouki and get this in a heart beat!