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HyperTek

11-13-2009, 12:49 AM

what you guys think? seems like everyone is going towards mix tapes. esp like Lil Wayne etc.. They are free downloads to keep people interested in the artists.

I think it kinda sucks tho because theres soo many crap artist out there that are gettin attention and legit good quality artist wont be gettin them sales like back in the 90s. I guess it all falls upon the digital downloading problem.

Of course tho, artists like Drake blew up from his mix tape, they released his mix tape as a retail album it still sold well, but it was a mixtape that really sounded like a studio album.

joeapple8

11-13-2009, 01:06 AM

that fool drake hella left degrassi after he blew up... LOL

I LUV MY S13

11-13-2009, 01:41 AM

lil wayne is garbage....idk why ppl like him, i give him props on a few songs (p***y money weed, lollipop, i feel like dying, leather so soft, and few others)...but the rest is fuckin stupid...

anyways as far as mix tapes, well whatever gets the sells

SimpleSexy180

11-13-2009, 01:50 AM

This is alright with me. A lot of artist produce decent tracks on mixtapes. It keeps me entertained. Example, Dom Kennedy's mixtape awhile back. Honestly i have grown past the "fuck the radio, i listen to real hip-hop" attitude. Mainly because I have a TON of artist i can go search and download their tracks or purchase actual CD's from foreign artists online. Today's music industry gives me variety, I LOVE IT, but i STILL hate kids who cant take themselves away from the radio and broaden their musical taste.

Kamburrito

11-13-2009, 03:09 AM

"The procussions", they are true to this so called "hip hop". check'em out.

as far as mix tapes. they're fun, they're easy, they're quick, and they'll get you heard.

i love droppin mixtapes.

exitspeed

11-13-2009, 07:52 AM

I'm torn about this and it's been on my mind for a long time.

On one side I have my memories of the 90's and early 2000's of going to the record store or BB damn near every Tue to buy the new hotness. And I personally like to support a good artist.

On the other hand with so many of these mix tapes there's a lot of good free content out there. Lil Wayne's No Ceilings sounds like an and in-between albums album, if that makes any sense. Like it should be released between Carter 3 and Carter 4. I think of Jay-Z's Live album that was cool. Like that Jay-Z album coulda been just a mixtape if it came out now.

I guess ultimately I'm for it, just because I like the extra content and know that if the artist comes out with real album I'd buy it.

HyperTek

11-13-2009, 08:41 AM

perhaps it promotes talent cuz then artist have to do live performances to make a buck

Phlip

11-13-2009, 08:58 AM

Mixtapes are a promotional tool right now.
Labels are NOT putting up the advertising dollars to push artists, not even the ones who are HUGE.
The artists with the capital means (money) push themselves, I am quite sure that Jay-Z is putting those commercials on television himself. Artists WITHOUT capital means (or some even with it -- see a certain Dwayne Michael Carter Jr.) gain attention where they can get it. That is when they serve a free mixtape to the internets to get people paying attention. This costs the artist about NOTHING, beyond what it takes to make the music, which usually consists of hastily-written freestyles over throwaway beats with samples that couldn't be cleared for sale -- or someone else's beats.
Some of them are serviceable, at least worth taking for a spin... Most are shitty.

I look at artists who have pushed their whole albums with mixtapes and I bought the album BECAUSE of the mixtape.
Sean Price and Little Brother come to mind.
Wait, no, bad examples there...
Scratch those, LOYALTY to those artists sold them, but the mixtapes that came before the album helped to promote the album in places where a label was not properly responding to what could be.

On the other side of this is that these mixtapes are the ONLY way some of these artists will be heard, kind of as a means of at least getting your voice heard even if you're not exactly expecting to blow off of it. This is where the deluge of SHITTY mixtapes is born, which sours people on the whole concept.

anthony240

11-13-2009, 09:03 AM

It costs a whole lot less to drop a mix tape (making beats on computer), than to book studio time, and get distribution of an album. Mix tapes are also for producers, they remix songs in their own style to generate buzz and get their name out. And artists can go from a mix tape straight to a concert without having to release an album. Mix tapes is where hip hop already is, and personally I'm glad. I keep my ears underground.

THE PROPHET

11-13-2009, 09:27 AM

J-Cole "The Warm Up" mix tape...haven't taken it out my car for weeks, I'm sure a lot of you will enjoy it.

tricky_ab

11-13-2009, 09:49 AM

veeates36

11-13-2009, 09:50 AM

I actually really like mixtapes, I think when done PROPERLY they can really showcase the artists talent. What I dont like about mixtapes; WHY CANT I SEEM TO FIND 'EM ANYWHERE..? Lol. But really why are they so hard to find..? I dont like doing the online music stuff.

exitspeed

11-13-2009, 09:53 AM

I dont like doing the online music stuff.

Oh well there's your problem. This isn't 1996 anymore where there's hip hop shops all over selling spray paint tips, turntables, and mixtapes.

You gotta go online.

Mixtapes (http://www.mixtapetorrent.com/) galore. And this isn't illegal because they are releasing them for free.

Quail

11-13-2009, 10:56 AM

Genovese.Jr

11-13-2009, 11:02 AM

most mixtapes are not hiphop its rap there is a diffrence

Phlip

11-13-2009, 11:05 AM

most mixtapes are not hiphop its rap there is a diffrence
Get off that, one is an element of the other.
You people KILL me with that shit.
"I don't like this shit, so it is rap, not hip hop" is among the most annoying shit I hear/read these days.

ZenkiKid

11-13-2009, 11:07 AM

On the other side of this is that these mixtapes are the ONLY way some of these artists will be heard, kind of as a means of at least getting your voice heard even if you're not exactly expecting to blow off of it. This is where the deluge of SHITTY mixtapes is born, which sours people on the whole concept.

yup this is true, Ive also heard that Mixtapes is the only place where artist have complete creative control, which is why alot of shit thats out on mixtapes is better than artists commercial shit. That and they preview alot of album material on mixtapes.

ALEXTHESUS*PECT

11-13-2009, 11:14 AM

This isn't 1996 anymore where there's hip hop shops all over selling spray paint tips, turntables, and mixtapes.

wish they were still around!

exitspeed

11-13-2009, 11:20 AM

wish they were still around!

This is one of the last ones in Milwaukee.
MySpace - ENVISIONS® - 101 - Male - MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin - myspace.com/_envisions (http://www.myspace.com/_envisions)

It's been around though forever. It's where I used to go for mixtapes and other hip hop related stuff.

Back in the day they made a video of the crew I was in and the battles we had. They sold it there for a while. Somehow though I don't know a single person who has it though. :/

S14_Kouki

11-13-2009, 11:27 AM

Mixtapes are good cause you can hear ppl you prob would of never heard.

ronmcdon

11-13-2009, 12:10 PM

hmm, i'm not into this genre of music but this is an interesting perspective.
I'd wager things aren't all that different with other genres, particularly indie pop/rock.

I'm all for giving little guys a chance to show what they have to offer.
these are much better times for emerging artists imo.
It's probably isn't as lucrative as it once was for artists that do make it big.
You probably just have too look a bit more diligently to find stuff you like.
(which is the case for almost anything anyways).

Regardless, I love the way the music industry is headed.
I'm very optimistic right now.

JohnnyDrfiter22

11-13-2009, 12:17 PM

Omg Im with you Lil Wayne is GARBAGE!!! Drake is aight, but that mofo cant really spit unless its a pad and a paper.

Question: where can i find Mix tapes???

Phlip

11-13-2009, 12:22 PM

Omg Im with you Lil Wayne is GARBAGE!!! Drake is aight, but that mofo cant really spit unless its a pad and a paper.

Question: where can i find Mix tapes???
Anyone who answers this question, please do so via PM, because I know that the blogs I often get my mixtapes from post a lot of copyrighted/pirate shit too, and we won't be party to that.

exitspeed

11-13-2009, 12:38 PM

Anyone who answers this question, please do so via PM, because I know that the blogs I often get my mixtapes from post a lot of copyrighted/pirate shit too, and we won't be party to that.

But mixtapes are released for free. So wouldn't that mean you can dl legally? Like from mixt*peto**ent.com?

Phlip

11-13-2009, 01:12 PM

But mixtapes are released for free. So wouldn't that mean you can dl legally? Like from mixt*peto**ent.com?

Well you know I spend long hours on Blogspot, and for every free mixtape I see -- whether or not I download it -- I see 5 retail albums that should not legally be there.
You know just as well as I do that most of the sites operate on both sides of legality.

iwishiwas-all*

11-13-2009, 01:19 PM

mann, to be honest, the mix tape scene was on fire about 3 yrs ago. 50 cent was murdering it. Lil wayne had the the drought series and then the drought is over setup, mic boogie was big etc....
now its been pretty lame but I will say I am sooooooo waiting for the lupe mixtape he hinted soon.

I still think this fall''s big albums are where its at.
Clipse
Lupe Fiaso
DONE.

S14_Kouki

11-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Omg Im with you Lil Wayne is GARBAGE!!!

This ^^^^^^

S13Boosts

11-13-2009, 01:25 PM

This ^^^^^^

+1...drake is tight!:eek2:

exitspeed

11-13-2009, 01:38 PM

Well you know I spend long hours on Blogspot, and for every free mixtape I see -- whether or not I download it -- I see 5 retail albums that should not legally be there.
You know just as well as I do that most of the sites operate on both sides of legality.

Mixtapetorrent is nothing but mixtapes. No retail albums. So I would assume that site is legit.

Mangudai

11-13-2009, 01:44 PM

You're atleast six years late with this observation. 50 cent revolutionized the mixtape game and had it so he even went on tour from songs he did on mixtapes.

DrftSLowHomIe!!

11-13-2009, 02:06 PM

J-Cole "The Warm Up" mix tape...haven't taken it out my car for weeks, I'm sure a lot of you will enjoy it.

yup i got that one sick mixtape, hell im still got my mixtape from Blu & Exile "Below The Heavens" which i think is Ridiculously Good,u guys need to check it out

sileighty83

11-13-2009, 02:16 PM

my:2c: is that mixtapes are a good way to gain exposure as a new artist. I love mixtapes cause it lets you hear songs the artist wouldn't normally do. Mixtapes allow the artist to do what they want with out the pressure from record labels telling them what should be the single, whats hot, etc.

Phlip

11-13-2009, 02:29 PM

hOngsterr

11-13-2009, 03:58 PM

some mixtapes are dopee,
check out WALE!
W.A.L.E.D.A.N.C.E. FT JUSTICE!

and check out wale's new album too,
pure dopeness. just some songs tho
lol

veeates36

11-13-2009, 04:10 PM

Oh well there's your problem. This isn't 1996 anymore where there's hip hop shops all over selling spray paint tips, turntables, and mixtapes.

You gotta go online.

Mixtapes (http://www.mixtapetorrent.com/) galore. And this isn't illegal because they are releasing them for free.

Thanks for the tips man.. I'm glad I'm not the only one on here that remembers GOOD music stores.

wish they were still around!

Me too friend, me too.. Sigh. Lol

meteorite_flo

11-13-2009, 07:37 PM

+1...drake is tight!:eek2:

EMINEM is better./

I see Lil Wayne as hip pop now.

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JesusFreakDrifter

02-15-2010, 12:24 PM

lil wayne definitely did say that he likes making mixtapes for free, one cuz its his choice to do them for free and two, it doesnt cost to pay producer to create new beats...what i like with any artist is their freedom on any track, i wouldnt dare try to stifle anyones creativity....the procussions are nice...me personally i listen to little brother, foreign exchange, hasaan mackey....all of them have free mixtapes and when u listen to em you want to pay them for their effort in concerts because they work hard for it....thats the new advertising...its the revolution hiphop artists were been talking bout, moreless, because its now saying fuck the mainstream way of doing things...ima drop a free album style cd and bet you will come see me perform

Ghost240

02-15-2010, 12:25 PM

some mixtapes are dopee,
check out WALE!
W.A.L.E.D.A.N.C.E. FT JUSTICE!

and check out wale's new album too,
pure dopeness. just some songs tho
lol

Wale is HIP HOP.

HyperTek

02-15-2010, 12:44 PM

i couldnt stand lil wayne mix tapes.. they sound cheap, hes just rappin over other peoples current popular beats.. i respect those who actually make all new original music for their mixtapes though.

Taniguchi_Is_#1

02-15-2010, 01:06 PM

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ViciousCesar!

02-15-2010, 05:13 PM

"The procussions", they are true to this so called "hip hop". check'em out.

+1. i saw these guys live back in '04, so i got their 'As Iron Sharpens Iron' cd. they're were extremely talented. they're very religious and it shows a lot in their music. i'm not into religion, but i still enjoyed their stuff.

HalveBlue

02-15-2010, 06:14 PM

I remember when mix tapes when they were actually...tapes.

This isn't a new phenomenon.

As far as these "digital mixtapes" are concerned, it's a reflection of the fact that the studios are going down.

Which is fine in my book. I won't lose any sleep over the fact that studio heads and artists will no longer be making millions of dollars.

Antihero983

02-15-2010, 07:14 PM

The UK Urban scene revolves around mixtapes, mainly because its the cheapest and easiest way to get your music heard. Its accessible by all, even the broke, so its an easy way to gain exposure and fans. Theres no money in UK Hip Hop, Grime, etc, so no point trying to put out videos and albums.

Our mixtapes are a bit different in composition, but the basic principles are the same: Cheap & easy!

I don't think its the future of (American) Hip hop, mainly because there isn't much money in it.

What about Mike Skinner aka The Streets? He's releasing his 4th album this year (I own all of them that he's released) and he seems to do well. Lady Sovereign did ok (I don't know if you'd call her Grime) until Def Jam royally fucked her when it changed hands.

Otto347

02-16-2010, 05:36 AM

I can honestly say I don't think ive ever heard a mix tape. (that I know of)

I guess I sound like my dad did back in the day, telling me the stuff I was listening to wasnt music. It was noise...lol I never dreamed I would think the same thing about music getting put out nowadays.

JesusFreakDrifter

02-16-2010, 09:21 AM

wale mixtape about nothing, 100 miles and running are my favorite actually.....uptown roamers!!!!southside riders!!!! lol
mixtapes is how u take control of ur freedom to be honest, the weak shall be weeded out this way

but my thing is are they trying to go mainstream, or make their brand mainstream, cuz i look at wale and hear what he has and he remains true to the game but then again,,, why try to be mainstream at all....look at MURS

Otto347

02-16-2010, 06:04 PM

hOngsterr

02-16-2010, 06:08 PM

i like wales mixtapes, it gives artist time to rap on other people's beats?

The Island

02-16-2010, 08:23 PM

wiz khalifa - b.a.r.(burn after you roll)
drake - so far gone and comeback season
wayne - da drought 3
lupe - enemy of the state and farenheit series

some of my favorites.

The Island

02-16-2010, 08:25 PM

woops double post!

Quail

02-17-2010, 03:26 PM

What about Mike Skinner aka The Streets? He's releasing his 4th album this year (I own all of them that he's released) and he seems to do well. Lady Sovereign did ok (I don't know if you'd call her Grime) until Def Jam royally fucked her when it changed hands.

AFAIK Mike Skinner never got involved with the whole mixtape thing (although don't take my word for it). Saying that, when the Streets was still relatively unknown, they got a lot of air time on pirate radios. His first album was pretty ground breaking, but I definitely wouldn't call it Grime or Garage.

Again, Sov was more of a mainstream artist (read: pop), and although she featured on a few grime tracks, I wouldn't say she was ever a grime artist. I don't recall her being on any mixtapes.

But yea, I should of said, there is some money in UK urban music, but you've named about a 3rd of the people that have done well, and they've always had more of a mainstream slant on their music (arguable for the Streets).

Guys like Skinnyman and Klashnekoff have made big HH tracks for years. They've been on mixtapes, and are very well known (amongst fans of the genre), but they've never made any mainstream money. Theres quite a few well known artists, but they're still poor :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDKbHJob8v4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bamCODwU2g

As far as Grimes concerned, Devlins been massive for years, but he'll never get mainstream radio airtime or chart success:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L4iH89tjAM

When I think of UK mixtape artists, I think of Grime crews like Roll Deep back in the day, and high profile crews like Boy Better Know still make good tapes, although IMO the music died a few years back.

Off the top of my head, the only guys doing well at the minute are Wiley, Dizzee, Chipmunk, Tinchy Strider, and a couple others, but they've all resorted to formulaic pop beats to get in the charts.

[Sorry if I've strayed a bit off topic guys]