Saudi Arabia to Behead and Crucify Child Rapist

[tricky_ab]

Saudi court upholds child rapist crucifixion ruling | World | Reuters (http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43639120091103)

RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported on Tuesday.

The convict was arrested earlier this year after a seven-year old boy helped police in their investigation. The child left in the desert after the rape was three years old, Okaz newspaper said.

International rights groups have accused the kingdom, the birthplace of Islam, of applying draconian justice, beheading murderers, rapists and drug traffickers in public. So far this year about 40 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia.

In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means tying the body of the convict to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after beheading.

While many areas in that region have some really backward and fucked up laws, can't say I'm complaining about this one. My only issue is the pulic display. Do whatever you want to the guy, but displaying dead bodies in public as a warning is a little crazy for 2009.

[drift_limo]

Y cant america be like that on that subject. I personaly think child rapist should be made examples like that dude..

Im with the saudi's on this one.

[Vision Garage]

we should do it and see how much crime will drop. Fuk this slap on the wrist shit we do. Caught stealing ill cut off your hand BITCH!!!!

[325irollin]

Should be an eye for an eye over here. If you kill someone and make a lamp shade with their skin then you get killed and made into a lamp shade.

[ayuaddict]

or just being made into a lamp shade without the being dead part sounds nice.

[TheWolf]

. Do whatever you want to the guy, but displaying dead bodies in public as a warning is a little crazy for 2009.

We should do this with crooked politicians on the whitehouse lawn.. as a warning to the others...

[Quail]

displaying dead bodies in public as a warning is a little crazy for 2009.

Indeed crazy, but I guess thats how they deter the crime in the first place. If a potential pedo sees one of his peers beheaded and crucified, he may think twice about abducting that child.

[jza240sx]

good he fuckin deserves it

[exitspeed]

Seriously if we started doing this stuff over here i would bet money our crime rate would go down enormously.

[ManoNegra]

Agree on this one
some though, like being stone to death for adultery or pre-marital sex are crazy though
but I agree, we need harsher deterrents for crime here

[Gnnr]

Do whatever you want to the guy, but displaying dead bodies in public as a warning is a little crazy for 2009.

Fuck that. If you're going to go to the extreme, go all the way. Either your strict or you aren't. Not in between.

[ronmcdon]

idk, death by the chair (is this still done in Texas?)
& get raped in prison would seem far worse.

there are far more horrific ways to suffer.
I will agree that the public display of the executed seems a bit too medieval.

[exitspeed]

idk, death by the chair (is this still done in Texas?)
& get raped in prison would seem far worse.

there are far more horrific ways to suffer.
I will agree that the public display of the executed seems a bit too medieval.

Silence of the lammmbs.
http://sidesalad.net/archives/CableGuySilenceOfTheLambs.JPG

[tricky_ab]

Indeed crazy, but I guess thats how they deter the crime in the first place. If a potential pedo sees one of his peers beheaded and crucified, he may think twice about abducting that child.

Yeah I see what you're saying, as this was a barbaric punishment for a barbaric act. While not distasteful in this instance, it does set a bad precedent, but that's Saudi Arabia for you. At least this beheading was for a legitimate crime...

[MandTPhotography]

I'm lollin' hard.


That's how it should be done.

[SR_Vlurs]

im with the saudi's on this one
its not to extreme for anytime we should be doing things like this in the states maybe things will change who knows

[iwishiwas-all*]

Raped 5 children and left 1 to die in the dessert ? Yea I'm all for this one!

[Sleepy240]

As much as I think punishment should be VERY severe, I do think crucifying or beheading somebody is not sending the right message. To the rest of the world all it does is make them look barbaric. To me all it does it make the country of Saudi Arabia and their Governing body look like a joke. One of the few things America has done right with the justice system is the the HUMANE executions of those convicted of a crime deemed worthy of death.

[Vision Garage]

i dont think its barbaric at all. The reason why our crime rate is so high is because our justice system is so lax. You can get away with anything these days. Fukk i can go and shoot the president and at my trial say that im insane and nothing will happen to me. Criminals know this which is why they really dont give a damn.

If a criminal is caught stealing and I cut off his hand, do you think he will try to steal again? hell no cuz he knows that i will cut off his other one next time i catch him. Now I do think we should set up limitations to how severe the punishment but im down to public executions.

We wont have to pay for in inmate to live 45 years before they are killed.

[Ben G]

if you did this here they would kill you in front of everyone in prison anyways

[tricky_ab]

if you did this here they would kill you in front of everyone in prison anyways

There have been instances where "justice" was left to the inmates of prisons. The guards on duty would let it slip that a person was in for kiddy crimes and let the rest sort itself out...

[exitspeed]

Raped 5 children and left 1 to die in the dessert ? Yea I'm all for this one!

I would like this person to die the worst death possible. God will forgive me on Sun.

[brndck]

this is way way wrong, they need to take that guy and spend tens of thousands of tax dollars to house and feed and provide medical care for this guy so that he can live a long and healthy life and go to college and have cable tv and better health care than many of us...
/sarcasm.

[Future240]

I approve of this whole heartedly. America take note.

[azndoc]

Child rapist or any rapist deserve a horrible death.

Done.

[lewisfk]

desert punk his ass!! Leave him to die in the desert hanging on a cross!!

[s14unimog]

you know what, eye for an eye, they should let 5 children rap his ass...:rl:


but really, I am on the side for harsher punishment, I just worry about the line where it stops...

adultery =/= stoned to death

[Sleepy240]

i dont think its barbaric at all. The reason why our crime rate is so high is because our justice system is so lax. You can get away with anything these days. Fukk i can go and shoot the president and at my trial say that im insane and nothing will happen to me. Criminals know this which is why they really dont give a damn.

If a criminal is caught stealing and I cut off his hand, do you think he will try to steal again? hell no cuz he knows that i will cut off his other one next time i catch him. Now I do think we should set up limitations to how severe the punishment but im down to public executions.

We wont have to pay for in inmate to live 45 years before they are killed.

This is where I suppose we disagree, if this is the case all you do is escalate the crime to another level. Rather than steal from you, since he knows if hes caught they will remove his hand, what happens if he just decides to shoot you instead of stealing some cash? A criminal act such as pety theft just skyrockets to murder. The problem with doing something like this is where do you draw the line? So a rapist gets crucified but what about a murderer? Lets start disembowling prisoners in a public display, or slowly let them die by dehydration in the center of town.
Your right we don't have to pay for an inmate to live 45 years in jail, instead we have to pay for all the trama people will experience from seeing a horrible site, burial and removal costs, along with all the man hours used to setup and eventually slaughter a human being. To be honest if you approve of something like this I don't think your a whole lot better than any criminal.

this is way way wrong, they need to take that guy and spend tens of thousands of tax dollars to house and feed and provide medical care for this guy so that he can live a long and healthy life and go to college and have cable tv and better health care than many of us...
/sarcasm.

I'm sorry you feel this way, do you know how much money of your taxes actually goes towards inmates and their care? If thats really what is breaking your bank I would suggest you get a new job instead of working down the street at McDonalds. Again if they have better healthcare, and cable TV and you don't, your doing something seriously wrong. I'm not sure if you realize this but there are different serveritys of crime and each are punished differently. The things you described are NOT available to all convicts.

[sileighty83]

Child rapist or any rapist deserve a horrible death.

Done.

agreed done and done

[Dirty Habit]

http://folk.ntnu.no/erlenkra/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%2020%20Gnarliest%20Torture%20Devices%20of%20All%2 0Time-filer/cradle.jpg

With weights to be added daily until death or split in half.

/Thread.

[Sleepy240]

http://folk.ntnu.no/erlenkra/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%2020%20Gnarliest%20Torture%20Devices%20of%20All%2 0Time-filer/cradle.jpg

With weights to be added daily until death or split in half.

/Thread.

See what happens here is your drawing a fine line between execution and TORTURE, one that is incredibly FINE. Crucifiction fits the bill as torture IMO rather than execution.

[murda-c]

and they need to do this to all those people who use illegal drugs!

[ESmorz]

See what happens here is your drawing a fine line between execution and TORTURE, one that is incredibly FINE. Crucifiction fits the bill as torture IMO rather than execution.

They are only crucified once they are beheaded. You can't torture a dead person.

[Dirty Habit]

and they need to do this to all those people who use illegal drugs!

See what happens here is your drawing a fine line between hurting yourself and OTHERS, one that is incredibly FINE.



Sleepy: Ask someone who was raped as a kid about torture. Most know something about it.

[soreballz]

I'm all for the "an eye for an eye" system of punishment. Its quick, cost effective, and an excellent deterrent towards crime. Severe crime deserves severe punishment.

One of the few things America has done right with the justice system is the the HUMANE executions of those convicted of a crime deemed worthy of death.
I bet you're a vegetarian.








(Because clearly, you're a pussy.)

[Dirty Habit]

http://c.universalscraps.com/files/en/lol/LOL.jpg

[Sleepy240]

They are only crucified once they are beheaded. You can't torture a dead person.

In this instance, Saudi Arabia has had as many as 40 crucifixions while the individuals were NOT beheaded.

See what happens here is your drawing a fine line between hurting yourself and OTHERS, one that is incredibly FINE.



Sleepy: Ask someone who was raped as a kid about torture. Most know something about it.

Your entirely entitled to your opinions, appairently you know more about rape victims than I do. I have no doubt they experience trama does that mean the criminal should be MURDERED in the most explict manner around? Thats right I said murder because thats all they are doing, murdering prisoners in blind cold blood.

[JVD]

This is where I suppose we disagree, if this is the case all you do is escalate the crime to another level. Rather than steal from you, since he knows if hes caught they will remove his hand, what happens if he just decides to shoot you instead of stealing some cash? A criminal act such as pety theft just skyrockets to murder. The problem with doing something like this is where do you draw the line? So a rapist gets crucified but what about a murderer? Lets start disembowling prisoners in a public display, or slowly let them die by dehydration in the center of town.
Your right we don't have to pay for an inmate to live 45 years in jail, instead we have to pay for all the trama people will experience from seeing a horrible site, burial and removal costs, along with all the man hours used to setup and eventually slaughter a human being. To be honest if you approve of something like this I don't think your a whole lot better than any criminal.



I'm sorry you feel this way, do you know how much money of your taxes actually goes towards inmates and their care? If thats really what is breaking your bank I would suggest you get a new job instead of working down the street at McDonalds. Again if they have better healthcare, and cable TV and you don't, your doing something seriously wrong. I'm not sure if you realize this but there are different serveritys of crime and each are punished differently. The things you described are NOT available to all convicts.
Stop being such a bitch.

Life sentence = biggest waste of time/money in history.

As my good buddy big pun would say "OFF WIT HIS HEAD"

EDIT: Do you have a family member who is a murderer or soemthing?

[Sleepy240]

I'm all for the "an eye for an eye" system of punishment. Its quick, cost effective, and an excellent deterrent towards crime. Severe crime deserves severe punishment.


I bet you're a vegetarian.
(Because clearly, you're a pussy.)

I am sure you get all kinds of dick with that attitude.
I am not a vegetarian but I have no idea how that draws a line to being a pussy in your eyes. Most people that are for "an eye for an eye" lack the mental capacity to fully understand the can of worms they are opening, cool story though brah.

[DALAZ_68]

so who's down to make a proposition to send all rapist to said sauidi arabia...

+1 on a yes

lets call congress

[Matej]

They should take him drifting in a Toyota Camry.

[JVD]

I am sure you get all kinds of dick with that attitude.
I am not a vegetarian but I have no idea how that draws a line to being a pussy in your eyes. Most people that are for "an eye for an eye" lack the mental capacity to fully understand the can of worms they are opening, cool story though brah.
Typical high and mighty remark. "Oh, you guys are just too dumb to understand."

LOLZ

The dude raped 5 kids. Left one to die. Does that not register as torture to you? Beheading is far from torture. Instant death in fact.

I'm sure the reason for crucifying the body is to make an example of him.

Why do you feel the need to give murderers/rapists the same rights when they took them away from someone else???

[Sleepy240]

Stop being such a bitch.

Life sentence = biggest waste of time/money in history.

As my good buddy big pun would say "OFF WIT HIS HEAD"

EDIT: Do you have a family member who is a murderer or soemthing?

Sorry I didn't know being level-headed was being a bitch. As soon as you can tell me how much money you "waste" on this "biggest waste" in history I will consider your arguement valid.
Big Pun, thats a solid source for your viewpoint I like it, I guess you'll take Lil Waynes' stance next. No, no murderers in my family.

[Dirty Habit]

Is prison not a form a mental or physical torture?


Im so dumb I cant comprehend.

[exitspeed]

http://folk.ntnu.no/erlenkra/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%2020%20Gnarliest%20Torture%20Devices%20of%20All%2 0Time-filer/cradle.jpg

With weights to be added daily until death or split in half.

/Thread.

Perfect.

See what happens here is your drawing a fine line between execution and TORTURE, one that is incredibly FINE. Crucifiction fits the bill as torture IMO rather than execution.

I don't think these people deserve anything less. Why would you want these sick POS that are ruining our society to be spared in the least bit?

I'm sorry, but even if it was someone I know that did something like this, I would have a hard time arguing they don't deserve this kind of death.

No lets house them in jail and then and THEN give them the H1N1 shot before people like my pregnant wife, who is at the highest risk, can even get one.

No, FUCK THESE PEOPLE. DIE. And die a horrible death.

[soreballz]

I am sure you get all kinds of dick with that attitude.
I am not a vegetarian but I have no idea how that draws a line to being a pussy in your eyes. Most people that are for "an eye for an eye" lack the mental capacity to fully understand the can of worms they are opening, cool story though brah.
http://mtpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/aging_hippie_liberal_douche.jpg

[Matej]

In my opinion all people sentenced to life/death should be used for medical testing, as crash test dummies, and for such things. That way they would really be giving back to society.

[Dirty Habit]

No lets house them in jail and then and THEN give them the H1N1 shot......


Dude. ZOMBIE RAPISTS?!





That could get outta control fast.

:rofl:

[Sleepy240]

I don't think these people deserve anything less. Why would you want these sick POS that are ruining our society to be spared in the least bit?

I'm sorry, but even if it was someone I know that did something like this, I would have a hard time arguing they don't deserve this kind of death.

No lets house them in jail and then and THEN give them the H1N1 shot before people like my pregnant wife, who is at the highest risk, can even get one.

No, FUCK THESE PEOPLE. DIE. And die a horrible death.

I am not saying they should spared but they should be executed in a HUMANE manner. Theres a reason nobody beheads people anymore, because there are plenty of other methods that are not nearly as grotesque or as appauling. I absolutely agree the person should be executed but atleast do it correctly.

Not to be to terribly off-topic but why exactly can't your pregnant wife get a H1N1 vaccine? I got one with not one hitch, so did everybody in my family including my pregnant friend.

Also @ soreballz, its a shame I am only 23 instead of some aging pot smoking hippy liberal.

[cc4usmc]

being level-headed

That's the problem with the U.S. Too many "level-headed" people.

[JVD]

Sorry I didn't know being level-headed was being a bitch. As soon as you can tell me how much money you "waste" on this "biggest waste" in history I will consider your arguement valid.
Big Pun, thats a solid source for your viewpoint I like it, I guess you'll take Lil Waynes' stance next. No, no murderers in my family.
Actually from what I understand the death penalty in America actually costs more than keeping someone incarcerated for life.

Like I care what it costs me. I'll never know. All I know is that I'd rather not dish out some of my earnings for some rapist to live out the rest of his life.

I just wish cops would shoot half these fuckers on the scene and stop wasting everyone's time/money/sanity.

[Dirty Habit]

Is prison not a form a mental or physical torture?


That was a serious question sleepy.

[Sleepy240]

That's the problem with the U.S. Too many "level-headed" people.

So instead you would rather have public tortures and executions?

Actually from what I understand the death penalty in America actually costs more than keeping someone incarcerated for life.

Like I care what it costs me. I'll never know. All I know is that I'd rather not dish out some of my earnings for some rapist to live out the rest of his life.

I just wish cops would shoot half these fuckers on the scene and stop wasting everyone's time/money/sanity.

So by your own logic keeping people incarcerated for life makes more sense financially. And obviously you do "care" what it costs since you brought it up. If you want a bunch of vigilanty cops just gunning down people for what they think is right have it, I for one am not in that boat.

[exitspeed]

I am not saying they should spared but they should be executed in a HUMANE manner. Theres a reason nobody beheads people anymore, because there are plenty of other methods that are not nearly as grotesque or as appauling. I absolutely agree the person should be executed but atleast do it correctly.

Not to be to terribly off-topic but why exactly can't your pregnant wife get a H1N1 vaccine? I got one with not one hitch, so did everybody in my family including my pregnant friend.

Also @ soreballz, its a shame I am only 23 instead of some aging pot smoking hippy liberal.

Since she is pregnant she couldn't take the nasal version. She needed the actual shot. She talked to her doctor numerous times and his office still didn't have'em. The only places you could get them around here was at theses clinics were you had to wait in line with 200 people. But then the news did a story were hundreds of inmates in prison got the shot.

Gotta love it. :cj:

Back on topic, these people acted inhumane by raping children and destroying their innocence. Why should they be treated humane? I typically don't live my life by the "two wrongs make a right" philosophy but with this stuff i find it completely acceptable.

[Sleepy240]

That was a serious question sleepy.

Oh! I'm sorry you must have gone back and edited your text because I was having a tough time cycling through the grammar and spelling. Personally I do not view prison as form of torture, I am sure others will disagree.

[Dirty Habit]

Oh! I'm sorry you must have gone back and edited your text because I was having a tough time cycling through the grammar and spelling. Personally I do not view prison as form of torture, I am sure others will disagree.


So you are saying its more like a few nights stay at a shitty ramada inn?

Edit: With room service.

Edit: Edit: And its free!!

[Sleepy240]

Since she is pregnant she couldn't take the nasal version. She needed the actual shot. She talked to her doctor numerous times and his office still didn't have'em. The only places you could get them around here was at theses clinics were you had to wait in line with 200 people. But then the news did a story were hundreds of inmates in prison got the shot.

Gotta love it. :cj:

Back on topic, these people acted inhumane by raping children and destroying their innocence. Why should they be treated humane? I typically don't live my life by the "two wrongs make a right" philosophy but with this stuff i find it completely acceptable.

Off-Topic: For starters I am sorry that she was unable to receive the vaccine for both your wife and unborn child. If that was some kind of widespread problem I was unaware as I was able to get it no problem as I said.

On-Topic: Just because they were inhumane doesn't mean they deserve to be tortured and strung out for all to see. I have no problem with them being executed for their crimes because frankly they DESERVE it. "Two wrongs make a right" and "an eye for an eye" simply make everyone look barbic and not smart, especially in situations where taking the high road is more difficult.

[exitspeed]

Off-Topic: For starters I am sorry that she was unable to receive the vaccine for both your wife and unborn child. If that was some kind of widespread problem I was unaware as I was able to get it no problem as I said.

On-Topic: Just because they were inhumane doesn't mean they deserve to be tortured and strung out for all to see. I have no problem with them being executed for their crimes because frankly they DESERVE it. "Two wrongs make a right" and "an eye for an eye" simply make everyone look barbic and not smart, especially in situations where taking the high road is more difficult.

She was finally able to get it yesterday but the whole ordeal was ridiculous.

Honestly, I just think they should be executed. I could care less how.

[JVD]

On-Topic: Just because they were inhumane doesn't mean they deserve to be tortured and strung out for all to see. I have no problem with them being executed for their crimes because frankly they DESERVE it. "Two wrongs make a right" and "an eye for an eye" simply make everyone look barbic and not smart, especially in situations where taking the high road is more difficult.
They are not being TORTURED. It's a beheading.

Not like they're gonna use a butter knife and start hacking away.

I wasn't aware the death penalty makes people look "not smart". I guess that guy was pretty smart by raping those 5 innocent children.

[cc4usmc]

So instead you would rather have public tortures and executions?

I'd prefer televised.

On-Topic: Just because they were inhumane doesn't mean they deserve to be tortured and strung out for all to see. I have no problem with them being executed for their crimes because frankly they DESERVE it. "Two wrongs make a right" and "an eye for an eye" simply make everyone look barbic and not smart, especially in situations where taking the high road is more difficult.

All the wrong thinking, in my opinion. People like you are too soft.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

i can't wait to watch this on youtube.

[Sleepy240]

They are not being TORTURED. It's a beheading.

Not like they're gonna use a butter knife and start hacking away.

I wasn't aware the death penalty makes people look "not smart". I guess that guy was pretty smart by raping those 5 innocent children.

I'm not sure how you like raping 5 children to being smart, and the death penalty not smart. Like I said theres a large difference between what they are doing this convict and what an execution in the states is like. Also I'm not sure if you are aware of this but many times the head is not completely servered off "instantly". Also its not like they are using a guillotine, they are using machetes and the like. So yes I would consider it torture, from what I have read most of the times the victim bleeds out before they are completely beheaded.

[JVD]

I'm not sure how you like raping 5 children to being smart, and the death penalty not smart. Like I said theres a large difference between what they are doing this convict and what an execution in the states is like. Also I'm not sure if you are aware of this but many times the head is not completely servered off "instantly". Also its not like they are using a guillotine, they are using machetes and the like. So yes I would consider it torture, from what I have read most of the times the victim bleeds out before they are completely beheaded.
I'd love for you to meet those kids. Talk with them and see how they feel. Ask them what they think should happen to this man.

I guarantee none of them would say to treat him with dignity.

The death penalty in america is a fucking joke btw. No use in comparing it to that.

[Sleepy240]

I'd love for you to meet those kids. Talk with them and see how they feel. Ask them what they think should happen to this man.

I guarantee none of them would say to treat him with dignity.

The death penalty in america is a fucking joke btw. No use in comparing it to that.

I can also guarantee you none of those children would ask for him to be beheaded, killed maybe, beheaded I serverly doubt it. How is the death penalty in America a joke? They execute people and carry it out in privacy not in the town square.

OT: JVD were you raped as a child? You seem to have alot of insight into this topic. And if that later is true I am truely sorry.

[cc4usmc]

OT: JVD were you raped as a child? You seem to have alot of insight into this topic. And if that later is true I am truely sorry.

Sounds like you've got more sympathy for the rapist then the children, I think that's the problem...

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

I can also guarantee you none of those children would ask for him to be beheaded, killed maybe, beheaded I serverly doubt it. How is the death penalty in America a joke? They execute people and carry it out in privacy not in the town square.

OT: JVD were you raped as a child? You seem to have alot of insight into this topic. And if that later is true I am truely sorry.

why should he be allowed to have a dignified death in private? the point of a public execution is to be a deterrent. rape kids and it'll be your head on the block. no humanity needed.

[ESmorz]

OT: JVD were you raped as a child? You seem to have alot of insight into this topic. And if that later is true I am truely sorry.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that the victims would want revenge.

When you were a kid on the playground if someone kicked you in the knee, would you say "oh sorry that was my bad" then wait till you can bring them into the janitors closet to stab them with a paper clip? No, you fucking kick them right back as to exact revenge, and so anyone else who might want to kick you in the knee knows what's coming to them.

[90hatchie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aYtHDlAkN0
some wise words

[DALAZ_68]

heres how i see it...

execution > life sentences

my first reason:
why the fuck am i paying taxes to keep a murder alive, really? i would rather pay taxes to keep victims alive in proper hospitals. why the fuck are we using expensive chemicals that require a crazy fucking chamber with bleachers for deathpenalty, when did a bullet and gun become to old to get the job done, fuck ur humane reasons, these mother fuckers are inhumane for what theyve done! how fucken blind are you!?

people bitch that prisoners have rights, FUCK YOU, there in prison for violating others rights, wether its there RIGHT to live, or there right to own something and not worry it having get stolen.


my second reason:
murderers who take life should have theres taken, simple, u dissagree ur a bitch, period. you look at ur brother/sister/best friend/cuzin, and you tell me you wouldnt want dead the person who would take away not just there innocences, but there life... if you say you wouldnt then you sir/mam/bitch, honestly dont deserve said person/people in you life.and if your the kind of person thats gonna step up to m and tell me "well i dont have anyone like that in my life", yet you yourself arent a murderer, then wtf is there excuse if they come from the same backround yet your a proper member of society and they arent. It comes down to choices...

saying sorry wont bring a person back from the beyond, sorry wont take away the pain. and yes i understand ''getting even" or "eye for an eye" doesnt work, and in this case it doesnt either, but knowing a murderer is now 6 feet under means one less person i have to worry about tryin to hurt me or my loved ones...


as fucked up as it might sound, lets take a page from hitlers execution book, take all life sentence murdering POS, line them up, one big ass bullet + one high powered rifle + a robot arm programmed to fire, pull trigger and done


no public execution, no having the family there to witness, said murderer didnt allow said victim to see there family in there final moments of life, why should we allow them to see anyone there final moments...

end this nonsense pissing contest of one being a hippie and the other being mindless...

STFU both of you...

/thread

[cc4usmc]

And the man has spoken.

/sarcasm

[lewisfk]

Wow sleepy 240 were did u come from? O I no, Disney Land!!!! So I guess you like paying taxes to keep rapist,murders, and all the world's scum locked up behind bars nice and safe? Me I would slaughter them like sheep! Why would I pay for scum when I could pay to feed a starving child? Or help pay the tuition of children across this great nation. Maybe i'll use that money for a care package, and send it to my friends the next time they deploy to war! Or hey i'll send it to myself while I'm out there!! Hey man stand in line for a shoot of fucking testicular fortitude !

OT Hey if u know any one who is pregnant or breast feeding, tell them the HN1 BULLSHIT HASNT BEEN PROVEN TO WORK ON THEIR POPULATION! IT'S A PIECE OF MIND THING, LIKE HUGGING A CHILD RAPIST! Is that how u do it sleepy?

[thisisastickup]

As much as I think punishment should be VERY severe, I do think crucifying or beheading somebody is not sending the right message. To the rest of the world all it does is make them look barbaric. To me all it does it make the country of Saudi Arabia and their Governing body look like a joke. One of the few things America has done right with the justice system is the the HUMANE executions of those convicted of a crime deemed worthy of death.

I think they are doing the right thing. The US needs to do more things like this, I guarantee our crime rate would go down drastically.

USA 2010: Fuck up, and we'll kill you.

[Sleepy240]

It doesn't take a genius to figure that the victims would want revenge.

When you were a kid on the playground if someone kicked you in the knee, would you say "oh sorry that was my bad" then wait till you can bring them into the janitors closet to stab them with a paper clip? No, you fucking kick them right back as to exact revenge, and so anyone else who might want to kick you in the knee knows what's coming to them.

We are not talking about kicking somebody in the shin, we are talking about KILLING SOMEBODY. Those are on entirely different levels. You kick them back and then they throw a punch. All you do is perpetuate the problem rather than solve it.

heres how i see it...

execution > life sentences

my first reason:
why the fuck am i paying taxes to keep a murder alive, really? i would rather pay taxes to keep victims alive in proper hospitals. why the fuck are we using expensive chemicals that require a crazy fucking chamber with bleachers for deathpenalty, when did a bullet and gun become to old to get the job done, fuck ur humane reasons, these mother fuckers are inhumane for what theyve done! how fucken blind are you!?

Like was stated before, Two Wrongs do not make a Right!

people bitch that prisoners have rights, FUCK YOU, there in prison for violating others rights, wether its there RIGHT to live, or there right to own something and not worry it having get stolen.

Your damn right they have rights. Thats your opinion have at it.


murderers who take life should have theres taken, simple, u dissagree ur a bitch, period. you look at ur brother/sister/best friend/cuzin, and you tell me you wouldnt want dead the person who would take away not just there innocences, but there life... if you say you wouldnt then you sir/mam/bitch, honestly dont deserve said person/people in you life.and if your the kind of person thats gonna step up to m and tell me "well i dont have anyone like that in my life", yet you yourself arent a murderer, then wtf is there excuse if they come from the same backround yet your a proper member of society and they arent. It comes down to choices...

They should have their life taken in a humane and just way. Not public torture and execution.

saying sorry wont bring a person back from the beyond, sorry wont take away the pain. and yes i understand ''getting even" or "eye for an eye" doesnt work, and in this case it doesnt either, but knowing a murderer is now 6 feet under means one less person i have to worry about tryin to hurt me or my loved ones...

If you can live with the guilt of killing somebody I think you should have the gun and pull the trigger, then maybe you'll have a little more thought about it rather than just blind rage.


STFU both of you...

/thread

I think you should do the same

[90hatchie]

we need an army of bernie getz's around the country

[cc4usmc]

VAGINA TALK

Wow. You make me sick. Just get the fuck out of this country, please. If you know anyone else that thinks like you, take them too.

[soreballz]

Also @ soreballz, its a shame I am only 23 instead of some aging pot smoking hippy liberal.
Eh.



[[Droppin' knowledge.]]
I feel the same way. I've just become far too lazy to type a ton of words that I know won't affect anyone else's view of things. lol

[Sleepy240]

Wow. You make me sick. Just get the fuck out of this country, please. If you know anyone else that thinks like you, take them too.

Nice to see you got creative there boss. Keep up the good work, maybe one day you'll get your wish with some executions on the TV.

[soreballz]

Multi-quoting a single long post sucks.

We are not talking about kicking somebody in the shin, we are talking about KILLING SOMEBODY. Those are on entirely different levels. You kick them back and then they throw a punch. All you do is perpetuate the problem rather than solve it.
If a man rapes and murders five women, and you kill him, BAM, problem solved. You are not perpetuating the problem. YOU ARE SOLVING IT.


They should have their life taken in a humane and just way. Not public torture and execution.

Did they take the lives of their victims in a "humane and just way"? No, they didn't. Why do these pieces of shit deserve to die in a humane and just way?


If you can live with the guilt of killing somebody I think you should have the gun and pull the trigger, then maybe you'll have a little more thought about it rather than just blind rage.

Rapists and murderers are hardly "people" in the first place.

[ESmorz]

We are not talking about kicking somebody in the shin, we are talking about KILLING SOMEBODY. Those are on entirely different levels. You kick them back and then they throw a punch. All you do is perpetuate the problem rather than solve it.

Dead people don't throw punches.

[98s14inaz]

Saudi court upholds child rapist crucifixion ruling | World | Reuters (http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43639120091103)



While many areas in that region have some really backward and fucked up laws, can't say I'm complaining about this one. My only issue is the pulic display. Do whatever you want to the guy, but displaying dead bodies in public as a warning is a little crazy for 2009.

I approve of this. Nice work Muslims. I also wanted to add...anyone that hurts (rapes, beats, or murders) a child is a monster and should be put down imho. We put down dogs for less. If the laws change and we can actually eye for an eye these pricks and you don't have the stomach for it give me a call and I will put them down for you.

[Bubbles]

If you can live with the guilt of killing somebody I think you should have the gun and pull the trigger,


Where do I sign.

I have reliable transportation, my own gun, and can get references if needed.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

Dead people don't throw punches.

i, too, came to this conclusion.

[Sleepy240]

Where do I sign.

I have reliable transportation, my own gun, and can get references if needed.

Ask the Saudi Arabia government I am sure they could use a few more executioners. Also its cool that alot of you guys wanna act like internet thugs but I know that there is no way I could pull that trigger and live the guilt of taking a life. Even people who shoot people in self defense have issues with the trama. I don't intend to change anybodys point of view on the subject, but by going out of your way to call me a "pussy", "vegetarian", or saying my point of view is "Vagina Talk" certainly does not make your point anymore crediable.

Dead people don't throw punches.
Assuming you fire first

[Bubbles]

but by going out of your way to call me a "pussy", "vegetarian", or saying my point of view is "Vagina Talk" certainly does not make your point anymore crediable.



Similar to someone insulting another person's intelligence, income, or place of business?


Repeatedly.

[ESmorz]

Assuming you fire first

Well isn't that the beauty of the Justice System? They are the only ones who can.

[coreansurfer]

good, let justice be served

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

Ask the Saudi Arabia government I am sure they could use a few more executioners. Also its cool that alot of you guys wanna act like internet thugs but I know that there is no way I could pull that trigger and live the guilt of taking a life. Even people who shoot people in self defense have issues with the trama. I don't intend to change anybodys point of view on the subject, but by going out of your way to call me a "pussy", "vegetarian", or saying my point of view is "Vagina Talk" certainly does not make your point anymore crediable.

only in america does a convicted criminal have more rights than a person on the street. and that is why china will kick our asses in world war 3.

[tricky_ab]

Shit sure kicked off in this thread...

[soreballz]

Also its cool that alot of you guys wanna act like internet thugs but I know that there is no way I could pull that trigger and live the guilt of taking a life.
We aren't talking INNOCENT lives here. I'm preeeetty sure that none of us here could walk to a random person on the street and shoot them for no reason. I couldn't, anyway. But somebody that has raped/murdered/tortured/etc... Fuck yes.

[Sleepy240]

We aren't talking INNOCENT lives here. I'm preeeetty sure that none of us here could walk to a random person on the street and shoot them for no reason. I couldn't, anyway. But somebody that has raped/murdered/tortured/etc... Fuck yes.

I envy you in that case, innocent or guilty, I couldn't do it.


EDIT: I forgot to mention I think its kind of comical that there is another thread not far from this one about a 15-year old girl being raped and people saying that she deserved it etc, and that HAPPENED in the US. And then people show up in this thread talking about killing the rapist. /rant

[cc4usmc]

I know that there is no way I could pull that trigger and live the guilt of taking a life.

I think we all know that without you even saying it. I hope you're never in a situation where your life or the life of another innocent person is in danger, and the only way to live is to take a life.


As far as the other thread goes, I'm sure that girl is old enough to know that she shouldn't have put herself in that position. I'm not saying that should should have been raped, but, it wouldn't of happened had she not chose to participate. But 5 children, that's not even the same thing.

I bet this is your idea of a prison lol.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/filipino-prisoners-perfor_n_346675.html?alacarte=1

and

3H6mmTvDUdA

[wangan_cruiser]

http://folk.ntnu.no/erlenkra/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%2020%20Gnarliest%20Torture%20Devices%20of%20All%2 0Time-filer/cradle.jpg

With weights to be added daily until death or split in half.

/Thread.

lol where the hell did you get that?

[godrifttoday]

I think what they should do is for the father to cut his head off it anyone from the family of the child

[DALAZ_68]

Like was stated before, Two Wrongs do not make a Right!
they dont care for logic towards there victim, why should i give a flying fuck about theres


Your damn right they have rights. Thats your opinion have at it.

they have no right as far as i care, u miss read it they took rights from others, they dont deserve there own


They should have their life taken in a humane and just way. Not public torture and execution.

i agree, with the second

If you can live with the guilt of killing somebody I think you should have the gun and pull the trigger, then maybe you'll have a little more thought about it rather than just blind rage.

give me the pay and the gun...


I think you should do the same
i honestly hope you dont experience the losses ive gone



situations change people.

[JVD]

I can also guarantee you none of those children would ask for him to be beheaded, killed maybe, beheaded I serverly doubt it. How is the death penalty in America a joke? They execute people and carry it out in privacy not in the town square.

OT: JVD were you raped as a child? You seem to have alot of insight into this topic. And if that later is true I am truely sorry.
Do some research.

Tell me how much it costs to have a person "executed" in the states. That's why it's a fucking joke.

There's no point in continuing this argument. You're all for the most dignified, fair, treatment of child rapists. That's fine.

I'm all for taking away every last right of that scumbag and providing him with the most embarrassing dehumanizing death possible... because that's what he deserves.

Oh, and the point about that girl in the states being raped. She was 15... she chose to drink with those guys. DEFINITELY DID NOT deserve what happened, but surely she knew better.

The kid this guy left to die in the desert was 3. Bit of a difference.

[ronmcdon]

Do some research.

Tell me how much it costs to have a person "executed" in the states. That's why it's a fucking joke.

There's no point in continuing this argument. You're all for the most dignified, fair, treatment of child rapists. That's fine.

I'm all for taking away every last right of that scumbag and providing him with the most embarrassing dehumanizing death possible... because that's what he deserves.

Oh, and the point about that girl in the states being raped. She was 15... she chose to drink with those guys. DEFINITELY DID NOT deserve what happened, but surely she knew better.

The kid this guy left to die in the desert was 3. Bit of a difference.


I did some research paper on the cost of the death penalty in the US.
This was 10 yrs ago, so costs might have gone up.

On average it cost taxpayers around 10 million bucks for the average death row inmate.
you figure there will be multiple appeals cases in court.
unless it's Texas, most death row inmates will stay so long in prison,
there's a greater possibility they will die of old age.
so you also add the cost of a lengthy (if not life) imprisonment.

On the other extreme side of the fence is China.
You get convicted, you die pretty damn soon @ minimal cost to the state.
Civil rights are going to be less than what you get here, but every system has its compromises.

IIRC, the USA also ranks #1 as far as the country with the number of death penalty executions per year @ around 200 annual
(need to check on this figure, I am definetly off my some amount) so you can imagine the costs.

It is absolutely pointless to carry an argument like this.
What is humane (or tasteful) is pretty subjective.

Imo, I don't agree in the public display and the cruxifiction.
It's just old fashioned, & kids don't need to see that sort of thing.
It would work just as well, imo, if you let ppl's imagination do the work.

however, I feel the means of execution via beheading was a bit too lax.
It's pretty much over in a few seconds.
I also feel that 'lethal injection' is far more horrendous,
but that's another can of worms.

[Vision Garage]

But the whole pointof having a it on display or what not is to deter other people from committing the same act. You tell me if you saw someone get his hand cut off that you wouldnt think twice about stealing shit? I dont care how barbaric it may seem because some people wont change unless we show them we are fukking serious about killing them if they fuk up!!

Sleepy, why do you care so much about the rights of criminals and rapist? What would be your solutions to deter these fukkers from causing crimes or raping children? They can care less if they face 10 years in prison. Now if they knew they would die within a year of conviction they wouldnt even think about doing the crime.

[hellaslows13]

The fuck is up with people these days...

[SexPanda]

i like that. sick fuckers like that deserve to suffer.

[Sleepy240]

Sleepy, why do you care so much about the rights of criminals and rapist? What would be your solutions to deter these fukkers from causing crimes or raping children? They can care less if they face 10 years in prison. Now if they knew they would die within a year of conviction they wouldnt even think about doing the crime.

Because obviously their grusome displays DONT stop the crimes. Just a quick google search will yeild the results that they commited some 100+ executions in 2008 alone with ATLEAST another 136 to be awaiting execution. So to me its just senseless since it is not solving any problems. I am not for rapist rights, I am for human rights. What the Arabians are doing is no better than Hitler and the Nazis, or the South African "rebels".

[Vision Garage]

US Statistics

Assault victims (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_vic-crime-assault-victims) 1.2%
[11th of 20] Car thefts (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the-crime-car-thefts) 1,246,096
[1st of 46] Drug offences (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_dru_off-crime-drug-offences) 560.1 per 100,000 people
[4th of 46] Executions (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions) 42 executions
[5th of 22] Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_hom_wit_fir-crime-gun-violence-homicides-firearms) 39.5604
[7th of 32] Illicit drugs (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ill_dru-crime-illicit-drugs)
world's largest consumer of cocaine (shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean), Colombian heroin, and Mexican heroin and marijuana; major consumer of ecstasy and Mexican methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center Murders (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders) 16,204
[2nd of 49] Murders with firearms (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms) 9,369
[1st of 36] Perception of safety > Walking in dark (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_per_of_saf_wal_in_dar-crime-perception-safety-walking-dark) 82%
[2nd of 15] Police (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol-crime-police) 941,139
[1st of 47] Prisoners (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri-crime-prisoners) 2,019,234 prisoners
[1st of 168] Prisoners > Per capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita) 715 per 100,000 people
[1st of 164] Rape victims (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims) 0.4%
[13th of 20] Rapes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes) 95,136
[1st of 50] Robberies (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob-crime-robberies) 420,637
[2nd of 47] Software piracy rate (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate) 20%
[107th of 107] Suicide rates in ages 15-24 (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_age_15_24-suicide-rates-ages-15-24) 13.7 per 100,000 people
[7th of 17] Suicide rates in ages 25-34 (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_age_25_34-suicide-rates-ages-25-34) 15.3 per 100,000 people
[10th of 17] Total crime victims (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_vic-crime-total-victims) 21.1%
[15th of 20] Total crimes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes) 11,877,218
[1st of 50]

Saudi Arabia Statistics

Assaults (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass-crime-assaults) 13,864
[21st of 49] Burglaries (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur-crime-burglaries) 14
[36th of 38] Car thefts (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the-crime-car-thefts) 18,717
[18th of 46] Executions (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions) 143 executions
[3rd of 22] Illicit drugs (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ill_dru-crime-illicit-drugs)
death penalty for traffickers; improving anti-money-laundering legislation and enforcement Jails (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_jai-crime-jails) 104
[16th of 80] Kidnappings (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_kid-crime-kidnappings) 107 kidnappings
[15th of 39] Manslaughters (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_man-crime-manslaughters) 53
[19th of 42] Murders (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders) 202
[28th of 49] Prisoners (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri-crime-prisoners) 28,612 prisoners
[19th of 168] Prisoners > Female (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_fem-crime-prisoners-female) 6.6%
[20th of 134] Prisoners > Foreign prisoners (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_for_pri-crime-prisoners-foreign) 50.9%
[6th of 86] Prisoners > Per capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita) 110 per 100,000 people
[79th of 164] Rapes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes) 59
[44th of 50] Robberies (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob-crime-robberies) 598
[54th of 47] Software piracy rate (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate) 51%
[70th of 107] Total crimes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes) 84,599
[32nd of 50]

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

What the Arabians are doing is no better than Hitler and the Nazis

you are comparing a beheading of a convicted criminal to the massacre of millions of innocent people. i don't think you really understand what you are arguing about.

[soreballz]

What the Arabians are doing is no better than Hitler and the Nazis...
WOW.

You kind of just blew my mind with your ignorance.

[Sleepy240]

you are comparing a beheading of a convicted criminal to the massacre of millions of innocent people. i don't think you really understand what you are arguing about.
WOW.

You kind of just blew my mind with your ignorance.

Taniguchi I 100% understand what I am arguing about, your the one who doesn't seem to understand. Its OK! Its easy for you guys to miss the point of my statement. The way the Arabians are executing people is no worse than the way the Nazis executed people, regardless of whether the person committed a crime or not the nature of the punishment is OUTRAGEOUS, both are INCREDIBLY inhumane. Would you find it any less offensive if the Nazis carried out their executions via beheading and crucifying the individuals, or if the Arabians burned the criminals to death?

Also if your ignorant enough to believe I am talking about the HOLOCAUST you are VERY WRONG. I am talking about the executions Hitler and the SS performed on "criminals"

[kyoru]

http://folk.ntnu.no/erlenkra/Daily%20Radar%20Feature%20-%2020%20Gnarliest%20Torture%20Devices%20of%20All%2 0Time-filer/cradle.jpg

With weights to be added daily until death or split in half.

/Thread.

wow this made me cringe hard

[Matej]

Saw one of those at a Civil War museum here. They used it at the fort to discipline their own soldiers who misbehaved.

[tricky_ab]

What the Arabians are doing is no better than Hitler and the Nazis, or the South African "rebels".

I can support executing a person like this who obviously does not care for any other human beings but the more I think about it, beheading and then displaying his body is just disgusting (for this day and age). I really don't think that it would have an effect on any sociopath who would consider raping and killing children, because in the end they would take the risk anyways since it's already taboo.

[DriftPanda]

just send him to an american jail for a week. i guarantee you he will be dead.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

Also if your ignorant enough to believe I am talking about the HOLOCAUST you are VERY WRONG. I am talking about the executions Hitler and the SS performed on "criminals"

that WAS the holocaust. you're the one being ignorant if you think that the only people killed in the holocaust were jews. whatever. if you want to belittle me, you should at least make sure you know your facts. i'm going to leave it at that because you're just going to make baseless claims and personal attacks to defend your position anyways. :rolleyes:

[Bubbles]

what the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".



what







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fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk?

[lewisfk]

Wow, sleepy no comment to what I had to say? Really, is not much to say when u look at the big picture!! The success of this country out ways the rights of murders and convents, we should learn from Saudi Arabia, well hell they own half of this country anyway!! If u followed the history of Bush u would know the Saudis bank rolled all of his projects before he became governor of Texas and the President!!

[ronmcdon]

Also if your ignorant enough to believe I am talking about the HOLOCAUST you are VERY WRONG. I am talking about the executions Hitler and the SS performed on "criminals"

You probably should have been more specific to begin with.

You can't call ppl for being 'ignorant' if they can't read your mind.
Besides, it's not like Hitler has the best judgement when determining who were worthy of being 'criminals'.
(again you don't specify, so don't be surprised if ppl are going to 'miss the point' of your statement).

Not to say he has never made the choice to execute those that were deserving,
but it's pretty obvious he made the choice (more often than not) to execute those that were NOT deserving.

Regardless, you have to admit that wasn't the best analogy period.
Even if I were to agree with your overall opinion (im on the fence),
I don't think this particular analogy was the best rhetoric.

I highly recommend you stay with more conservative analogies & be as specific as possible.
otherwise it's just going to stir up controversy & confusion.
not sure if that was the intended effect?

[Dirty Habit]

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

i am not for rapist rights, i am for human rights. What the arabians are doing is no better than hitler and the nazis, or the south african "rebels".

real talk.

[98s14inaz]

Ask the Saudi Arabia government I am sure they could use a few more executioners. Also its cool that alot of you guys wanna act like internet thugs but I know that there is no way I could pull that trigger and live the guilt of taking a life. Even people who shoot people in self defense have issues with the trama. I don't intend to change anybodys point of view on the subject, but by going out of your way to call me a "pussy", "vegetarian", or saying my point of view is "Vagina Talk" certainly does not make your point anymore crediable.


Assuming you fire first

I would give my life or take a life to protect a child. No sympathy from me for the monsters who would hurt children. The children don't even have the ability to defend themselves. Anyone who protects these monsters can go to hell with them as far as I am concerned. Fucking hippies.

...I am not for rapist rights, I am for human rights. What the Arabians are doing is no better than Hitler and the Nazis, or the South African "rebels"....

Wait wait wait...lol You're comparing executing rapists, thieves, and murderers to ethnic cleansing of Jews and Africans? What the fuck are they teaching you kids in school?

[Sleepy240]

You probably should have been more specific to begin with.

You can't call ppl for being 'ignorant' if they can't read your mind.
Besides, it's not like Hitler has the best judgement when determining who were worthy of being 'criminals'.
(again you don't specify, so don't be surprised if ppl are going to 'miss the point' of your statement).

Not to say he has never made the choice to execute those that were deserving,
but it's pretty obvious he made the choice (more often than not) to execute those that were NOT deserving.

Regardless, you have to admit that wasn't the best analogy period.
Even if I were to agree with your overall opinion (im on the fence),
I don't think this particular analogy was the best rhetoric.

I highly recommend you stay with more conservative analogies & be as specific as possible.
otherwise it's just going to stir up controversy & confusion.
not sure if that was the intended effect?

I can gladly call you ignorant because we are talking about executions not GENOCIDE. And the first thing you think of is a way to defend your point by thinking I supported the Holocaust, ZOMG! There is nothing wrong with controversy, its pretty simple to see how people could jump to the Holocaust solution because they just don't know about the other things that happened during that time. Whether or not the individuals were GUILTY does not excuse the way they were murdered.

I would give my life or take a life to protect a child. No sympathy from me for the monsters who would hurt children. The children don't even have the ability to defend themselves. Anyone who protects these monsters can go to hell with them as far as I am concerned. Fucking hippies.

If I were you I would fly to Africa or China. There are tons of children who could use somebody to sacrifice themselves and save their life. Also just to be clear you should probably read the whole thread before you comment on people "protecting these monsters" because nobody condones their actions, I just feel they should executed in the proper manner.

[ThatGuy]

Allow me to step in to make one small point here.

There is no "proper manner" to kill someone.
Along the same lines of there is no such thing as "a fair fight".

The people who are sentenced to die, did not take the time to make sure they were raping someone "in the proper manner", or shooting a family "in the proper manner".


Now, beheading and public crusifiction may not be the best method, but it is their society.



Personally speaking, "Lethal Injection" is "too humane" for some. They have committed acts of atrocity sometimes too terrible to even imagine. But they get a sterilized needle in their arm, and drift off to sleep. But with the joke that the judicial system has been turned into, it doesn't much matter anyway. Court rooms used to be where people decided whether or not someone was guilty, and what their punishment should be. Now, a court room is where people decide who paid more for the better lawyer, and what kind of "bargain" can they work with the state.

[98s14inaz]

...I just feel they should executed in the proper manner.

That's the point. Beheading is humane, it's just messy. In ancient times it was reserved for the upper class while the poor people got hanged. Off with their heads imho.

[tricky_ab]

real talk.

Really?:eek:

[ronmcdon]

I can gladly call you ignorant because we are talking about executions not GENOCIDE. And the first thing you think of is a way to defend your point by thinking I supported the Holocaust, ZOMG! There is nothing wrong with controversy, its pretty simple to see how people could jump to the Holocaust solution because they just don't know about the other things that happened during that time. Whether or not the individuals were GUILTY does not excuse the way they were murdered.


But the genocide entailed executions.

throwing ppl in gas chambers to die = execution
dragging ppl to the firing squards = execution
execution that doesn't have moral justification = execution
execution that is cruel and/or unusual = execution.
It's pretty cut & dry.

I meant controversy as in having ppl in this forum react with hostility towards you,
but maybe that's precisely what you wanted, idk.
Should have been more specific, apologies.

If there are 'other things' as you say with Hitler's executions,
then it wouldn't hurt to be specific and mention those in detail.
can you give examples with support?
that would help elaborate what you're trying to get across.

fyi - it's not my intention to be confrontational.
I'm just intrigued how your analogy (comparing Saudi to Hitler) could somehow be valid.

[ronmcdon]

That's the point. Beheading is humane, it's just messy. In ancient times it was reserved for the upper class while the poor people got hanged. Off with their heads imho.

I wonder what was the rationale behind this?
Hanging isn't all that un-humane either if applied properly.
The spine just snaps, and death could be pretty instantaneous.
Death by hanging a time proven solution that cheap, humane, and not messy (as you say).

Wonder why the hell the US replaced that with needlessly complex solutions like the chair & injection.

[ronmcdon]

Personally speaking, "Lethal Injection" is "too humane" for some. They have committed acts of atrocity sometimes too terrible to even imagine. But they get a sterilized needle in their arm, and drift off to sleep. But with the joke that the judicial system has been turned into, it doesn't much matter anyway. Court rooms used to be where people decided whether or not someone was guilty, and what their punishment should be. Now, a court room is where people decide who paid more for the better lawyer, and what kind of "bargain" can they work with the state.

I have doubts if 'lethal injection' is humane at all.

Typically, 3 shots in the same sequence are given.

1) Sodium thiopental: ultra-short action barbiturate, an anaesthetic agent capable of rendering the offender unconscious in a few seconds.

2) Pancuronium: non-depolarizing muscle relaxant, causes complete, fast and sustained paralysis of the skeletal striated muscles, including the diaphragm and the rest of the respiratory muscles; this would eventually cause death by asphyxiation.

3) Potassium chloride: stops the heart, and thus causes death by cardiac arrest.

Lethal injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection)

Either you want the person to suffer, or you do not.
What the heck is the point to offer anesthesia, if it only lasts a few secs?
Then you have to have the prisoner suffer the effects of paralysis, before you force them into a heart attack.
It's arguably one of the worst possible ways to die!

The executed isn't going to express pain if they're paralyzed.
But, there is no saying if the nerves that feel pain are also numb.
It's quite possible the victim is fully conscious but just can't express their pain.
If it were me, id glady opt for the guillotine.

It is eerie, that the US makes such a big deal about rejecting 'cruel & unusual' punishment
yet goes through such lengths to provide the exact opposite.
Either you want ppl to suffer or you do not.
There always has to be so much beating around the bush.

[Dirty Habit]

Really?:eek:


It's called sarcasm...

[Sleepy240]

But the genocide entailed executions.

throwing ppl in gas chambers to die = execution
dragging ppl to the firing squards = execution
execution that doesn't have moral justification = execution
execution that is cruel and/or unusual = execution.
It's pretty cut & dry.

Right here is where I disagree, I find there to a large difference between genocide of the Jewish community and executions of convicted criminals. Considering the Holocaust anything other than a terrible genocide is a sever miscalculation IMO.

I meant controversy as in having ppl in this forum react with hostility towards you,
but maybe that's precisely what you wanted, idk.
Should have been more specific, apologies.

Apology not needed. Regardless of what others think I have no problems with my (or yours for that matter) point of view.

If there are 'other things' as you say with Hitler's executions,
then it wouldn't hurt to be specific and mention those in detail.
can you give examples with support?
that would help elaborate what you're trying to get across.

Just as an example the Waffen-SS executed hundreds of civilians and "criminals". Some by firing squad, some by dismemberment, others by fire. Pretty much you name it they did it. Since then a lot of members of the SS (not just those from the Nuremberg Trails) have been convicted of War Crimes (many of which entail unlawful executions). I could not find any examples of beheadings or crucifixions for that matter but I don't find any of there actions any less deplorable.

fyi - it's not my intention to be confrontational.
I'm just intrigued how your analogy (comparing Saudi to Hitler) could somehow be valid.

My goal is not to be confrontation either just to simply state my point. Hopefully this cleared things up, if needed I am sure I can post some further examples.

[ronmcdon]

ok, thanks for elaborating :)

[brndck]

Ronmcdon, the sodium thiowhatever takes effect IN a few seconds, not FOR a few seconds. Therefore the recipient is unconscious during the rest.

[exitspeed]

US Statistics

Assault victims (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_vic-crime-assault-victims) 1.2%
[11th of 20] Car thefts (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the-crime-car-thefts) 1,246,096
[1st of 46] Drug offences (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_dru_off-crime-drug-offences) 560.1 per 100,000 people
[4th of 46] Executions (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions) 42 executions
[5th of 22] Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_hom_wit_fir-crime-gun-violence-homicides-firearms) 39.5604
[7th of 32] Illicit drugs (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ill_dru-crime-illicit-drugs)
world's largest consumer of cocaine (shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean), Colombian heroin, and Mexican heroin and marijuana; major consumer of ecstasy and Mexican methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center Murders (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders) 16,204
[2nd of 49] Murders with firearms (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms) 9,369
[1st of 36] Perception of safety > Walking in dark (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_per_of_saf_wal_in_dar-crime-perception-safety-walking-dark) 82%
[2nd of 15] Police (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pol-crime-police) 941,139
[1st of 47] Prisoners (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri-crime-prisoners) 2,019,234 prisoners
[1st of 168] Prisoners > Per capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita) 715 per 100,000 people
[1st of 164] Rape victims (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims) 0.4%
[13th of 20] Rapes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes) 95,136
[1st of 50] Robberies (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob-crime-robberies) 420,637
[2nd of 47] Software piracy rate (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate) 20%
[107th of 107] Suicide rates in ages 15-24 (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_age_15_24-suicide-rates-ages-15-24) 13.7 per 100,000 people
[7th of 17] Suicide rates in ages 25-34 (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sui_rat_in_age_25_34-suicide-rates-ages-25-34) 15.3 per 100,000 people
[10th of 17] Total crime victims (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_vic-crime-total-victims) 21.1%
[15th of 20] Total crimes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes) 11,877,218
[1st of 50]

Saudi Arabia Statistics

Assaults (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass-crime-assaults) 13,864
[21st of 49] Burglaries (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur-crime-burglaries) 14
[36th of 38] Car thefts (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_car_the-crime-car-thefts) 18,717
[18th of 46] Executions (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions) 143 executions
[3rd of 22] Illicit drugs (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ill_dru-crime-illicit-drugs)
death penalty for traffickers; improving anti-money-laundering legislation and enforcement Jails (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_jai-crime-jails) 104
[16th of 80] Kidnappings (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_kid-crime-kidnappings) 107 kidnappings
[15th of 39] Manslaughters (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_man-crime-manslaughters) 53
[19th of 42] Murders (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders) 202
[28th of 49] Prisoners (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri-crime-prisoners) 28,612 prisoners
[19th of 168] Prisoners > Female (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_fem-crime-prisoners-female) 6.6%
[20th of 134] Prisoners > Foreign prisoners (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_for_pri-crime-prisoners-foreign) 50.9%
[6th of 86] Prisoners > Per capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita) 110 per 100,000 people
[79th of 164] Rapes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes) 59
[44th of 50] Robberies (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob-crime-robberies) 598
[54th of 47] Software piracy rate (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate) 51%
[70th of 107] Total crimes (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes) 84,599
[32nd of 50]

We're all just going to ignore this huh? Pretty obvious this shit deters crime.

[Sleepy240]

The numbers are kind of arbitrary if you ask me. You can look at areas like South Africa that have the second highest Rape total per Capita, and first in Murders per Capita, along with the second highest execution rate (only behind China). You could easily argue that capital punishment does not really deter any horrific crimes. There are arguments for capital punishment both working and not working, its really up to each individual to have their own opinion.

[mRclARK1]

While I may agree with the penalty of death, I don't agree with how it's going to be carried out.

Does capital punishment deter crime? Yes and no. But mostly no.

The explanation behind Saudi Arabia's lower crime levels/stats is likely a result of 3 factors:

1) 99% of Saudi Arabia is Islamic and therefore follows the same set of laws and beliefs. Crime there is agreed upon not only legally, from a judicial standpoint, but also from a religious and morality standpoint. America has no such unifying religious structure and has a disparity between legal and moral beliefs of the general public. (IE: We change laws etc. according to societies views; such as homosexuality and abortion, when a majority thinks we should, but the issue is still often NOT agreed upon by many who will continue in certain acts and beliefs). A religiously dominated and structured society will always have lower crime as long as the religious law is paramount and tolerance (as well as prominence) of dissenting views and religions is low. The more government control, the less crime, but also less freedom... Of everything.

2)Certain crimes in Saudi Arabia are simply not reported because they are NOT considered a crime. Especially in spousal and family matters. In America I cannot, under any circumstance, abuse my wife or force her into sex. That's rape here... Yes. You CAN rape your wife and be charged under the law. In Saudi Arabia, those kind of crimes, and many other, do not exist because the acts are permitted under Islamic law. Not to mention things that are still crimes under Saudi law that are not reported. In America more than 50% of most assaults, rapes and violent crimes are not reported for varying reasons. There's no reason to believe it's any different there.

3)To a minor degree, the "yes" part of the capital punishment thing. Having your head lopped off and your body displayed is a deterrent to any sane person.

By the way... I have a degree in the above shit.

I also wonder how many people here in favor of the form of punishment have actually killed a person humanely, or even as a faceless figure at 100yds at the business end of a weapon sight., let alone hacked at their neck and spinal cord until it broke off with a mostly dull blade (Yeah, that's how they do it there... It's not "quick and clean")

Take him out back and put a needle in his arm, or spend $.17 on a bullet.

There's no need to display him.

[ronmcdon]

Ronmcdon, the sodium thiowhatever takes effect IN a few seconds, not FOR a few seconds. Therefore the recipient is unconscious during the rest.

My apologies for not elaborating that in detail.
It was worded poorly, I admit.

How fast the drug kicks in, usually depends on the dosage of Sodium Theopental.
States may vary (for whatever reason) the dosage from 3-5 grams/injection.
It could be anywhere from 10-45 secs before it takes effect.
Which by the time, the 2nd and possibly 3rd injection could have gone in before the effects of the anesthesia fully kick in.

Imo, it would have been much more efficient if just a single, higher dose of the Sodium Thepental were given.
It's a barbituate that would have induced a relatively painless, coma-like death with the correct dosage anyhow.



Lethal injection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection)

Sodium thiopental (United States trade name: Sodium Pentothal) is an ultra-short acting barbiturate, often used for anesthesia induction and for medically induced coma. The typical anesthesia induction dose is 3–5 mg/kg. Loss of consciousness is induced within 30–45 seconds at the typical dose, while a 5 gram dose—14 times the normal dose—is likely to induce unconsciousness in 10 seconds.

Thiopental reaches the brain within seconds and attains a peak brain concentration of about 60% of the total dose in about 30 seconds. At this level, the offender is unconscious. Within 5 to 20 minutes the percentage in the brain falls to about 15% of the total dose, since the drug redistributes to the rest of the body. With a therapeutic of said 3– 5 mg/kg consciousness returns at this point. This does not happen though when the initial dose is high enough as for lethal injections where consciousness would be regained only days later.

The half-life of this drug is about 11.5 hours[12], and the concentration in the brain remains at around 5-10% of the total dose during that time. When a 'mega-dose' is administered, as in lethal injection, the concentration in the brain during the tail phase of the distribution remains higher than the peak concentration found in the induction dose for anesthesia. This is the reason why an ultra-short acting barbiturate, such as thiopental, can be used for long-term induction of medical coma.

After a 5 gram dose consciousness will be regained in about 5 to 6 half-lives, which occurs in about 57–69 hours. The effects of such a high dose, however, include profound respiratory depression (depression of the brainstem respiratory center) and vascular collapse (vasodilation and myocardial depression), which is in itself lethal.


Controversy: Arguments against

[edit] Awareness
Opponents of lethal injection believe that it is not actually painless as practised in the United States. Opponents argue that the thiopental is an ultra-short acting barbiturate that may wear off (anesthesia awareness) and lead to consciousness and an excruciatingly painful death wherein the inmate is unable to express his or her pain because he has been rendered paralyzed by the paralytic agent.[27]

Opponents point to the fact that sodium thiopental is typically used as an induction agent and not used in the maintenance phase of surgery because of its short acting nature. Following the administration of thiopental, pancuronium bromide is given. Opponents argue that pancuronium bromide not only dilutes the thiopental, but (since the inmate is paralyzed) also prevents the inmate from expressing pain. Additional concerns have been raised over whether inmates are administered an appropriate level of thiopental owing to the rapid redistribution of the drug out of the brain to other parts of the body.[27]

Additionally, opponents argue that the method of administration is also flawed. They state that since the personnel administering the lethal injection lack expertise in anesthesia, the risk of failing to induce unconsciousness is greatly increased. Also, they argue that the dose of sodium thiopental must be customized to each individual patient, not restricted to a set protocol. Finally, the remote administration results in an increased risk that insufficient amounts of the lethal injection drugs enter the bloodstream.[27]

In total, opponents argue that the effect of dilution or improper administration of thiopental is that the inmate dies an agonizing death through suffocation due to the paralytic effects of pancuronium bromide and the intense burning sensation caused by potassium chloride.[27]

Opponents of lethal injection as currently practised argue that the procedure employed is designed to create the appearance of serenity and a painless death, rather than actually providing a painless death. More specifically, opponents object to the use of Pancuronium bromide, arguing that its use in lethal injection serves no useful purpose since the inmate is physically restrained. Therefore the default function of pancuronium bromide would be to suppress the autonomic nervous system, specifically to stop breathing.[27]

[VROOOM]

I also wonder how many people here in favor of the form of punishment have actually killed a person humanely, or even as a faceless figure at 100yds at the business end of a weapon sight., let alone hacked at their neck and spinal cord until it broke off with a mostly dull blade (Yeah, that's how they do it there... It's not "quick and clean")



according to the executioner, the guilty are beheaded quite quickly.



BBC NEWS | Middle East | Saudi executioner tells all (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm)

[ronmcdon]

Well, there are many different approaches to something like that.
I've seen some footages of where the process is done with a dull blade with more than 1 swing.

This was on one of those notorious 'faces of death' vids i saw some 20 yrs ago.
doubt it could have been faked, but that's always a possibility.
it just doesn't surprise me how far human brutality can go.

Mr. Clark makes a valid point though.
it's something easier said (or watched impersonally via a TV screen) than done.
I know I would have lots of reservations about physically torturing someone,
much less having to perform execution, grisly manner or not.

Overall, after additional thought,
I can't say I can advocate the 'death penalty' period, under any circumstance.
Exploitation (esp if it turns a profit for the instution), however, is another matter.
Slave labor can always be a profitable.

[Matej]

We're all just going to ignore this huh? Pretty obvious this shit deters crime.
Pretty sure the US also has a lot higher population than Saudi Arabia. All of those numbers should be converted to percentages in order to achieve a relevant comparison.

Anyway, every system in the world has its advantages and disadvantages. While I think this does deter crime, at the same time it shows that Saudi Arabia still has a little ways to go if they ever want to catch up with first world countries. Today, any country considered civilized would not display a dead body for people and children to see.

[BustedS13]

i hear they cut off your ear if they don't like your face
but, hey, it's home

[HAWAII]

this will get rid of the over crowding issue in the prisons.

Here in CA. You rape and kill dozens of people, we give you free board and lodging for the rest of your life. Oh yeah, let us not forget that even in prison, inmates can still use drugs and call out killings from the inside.

Way to go CA!

[zenki.life]

hmmmm. the saudi's do something right for once.

[ericcastro]

idk, death by the chair (is this still done in Texas?)
& get raped in prison would seem far worse.

there are far more horrific ways to suffer.
I will agree that the public display of the executed seems a bit too medieval.
agreed.
we start doing that shit its all over.
fucking fall of society.
Just like Rome and the Gladiator.
Public displayes of violence like that will continue to put us on our way.
we already have all that cage fighting shit.
Someones gonna die live on a PPV event soon and continue the fall of western civalization.


anyways, sorry to start thinking of the bigger picture..............lol

[djdryon]

yeah i think america is definitely too lax on issues like this, and too harsh on other, more profitable things like traffic tickets. In china the punishment for rape is the death penalty... at least thats how it was when i lived there. i'd rather be spending my tax dollars getting bad people out of this world than paying for their living expenses for the rest of thier life.

[Brian]

More people need to die.
It's going to save us time and problems.
Kill the bad guys.

[zylvia213]

i dont think its barbaric at all. The reason why our crime rate is so high is because our justice system is so lax. You can get away with anything these days. Fukk i can go and shoot the president and at my trial say that im insane and nothing will happen to me. Criminals know this which is why they really dont give a damn.

If a criminal is caught stealing and I cut off his hand, do you think he will try to steal again? hell no cuz he knows that i will cut off his other one next time i catch him. Now I do think we should set up limitations to how severe the punishment but im down to public executions.

We wont have to pay for in inmate to live 45 years before they are killed.


I agree.... i understand why many people disagree with public executions or beheading. Maybe it wont affect or send a msg to all the rapist, drug dealers, murders, etc... but i will send a msg out to all these youngsters that have potential in becoming one of them. Im pretty sure if kids or young teens would see someone getting executed for breaking the law or doing something really bad they would think of their actions or think about the future.

I know how many of our dollars have gone to these prisons/prisoners that are locked up just to keep them in a cage... for what? eventually they will die why not get rid of them right after they have been convicted. I dont know if some of you guys came across some other thread on here of some rapist that was convicted but not put in jail and was sent to go to therapy, and counseling/classes... This guy got paid for his transportation, food and almost any expenses he had when he went to these classes. Guess who pays for this???? We do.... Anyway getting back on track here i think public executions is a good idea to an extent ofcourse.