Best motor choice......

[Ricer240sx]

ok i no people have been asking this question sence the bord stared:rolleyes: but i did a search and didn't find the answer im looking for, although i found a few others :D, but what i want to no is, which motor would be best for a car being built with an emphisis on turning??? i plan on doing a swap but im not sure which motor i want to drop in. i was thinking of either doing the RB25, SR20, or VG30............. also, whats up with people talking about swapping the 2jz in there????? i saw that stated a few times before and just wondered why???? if u want the 2jz shouldn't u get a toyota????? but anyways, any and all help would be appreciated, Thanx

[Ricer240sx]

o and another thing, if i were to go with the RB, would i be able to use toes components to convert my 240 to RHD, cause that is something i am seriously thinking about doing, so i was just wondering if i could with the parts from the skyline clip or not, either way ill go RHD eventualy, but i was jsut wondering about that compatability of the two cars components

[Dousan_PG]

2jz WILL fit
RB26 WILL fit

both require LOTS of money
LOTS of fab
and LOTS of KNOWLEDGE


ifyou are posting to ask about it, you dont have th eknowhow sorry to say but its simple like that.


both are great and you cant go wrong with either.
RHD is pointless and stupid.


2jz ownz. if you dont like it, u dont know much about it.

[Ricer240sx]

Originally posted by dousan36
2jz WILL fit
RB26 WILL fit

both require LOTS of money
LOTS of fab
and LOTS of KNOWLEDGE


ifyou are posting to ask about it, you dont have th eknowhow sorry to say but its simple like that.


both are great and you cant go wrong with either.
RHD is pointless and stupid.


2jz ownz. if you dont like it, u dont know much about it.

thanx for not answering my question :rolleyes: and no i don't have that much knowlage yet, but i no someone who does, so.......and tell me, how do u go about getting Knowlage??????????? maybe by asking questions :rolleyes: so now if anyone can answer the questions i asked it would be appreciated, but if ur gunna make a reply like this, don't bother, cause what im doing here is a little thing called research, u do it to figure out what u want to do and to learn about that choice, its not to listen to dickheads like urself try to flame on me

thank you

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
thanx for not answering my question :rolleyes: and no i don't have that much knowlage yet, but i no someone who does, so.......and tell me, how do u go about getting Knowlage??????????? maybe by asking questions :rolleyes: so now if anyone can answer the questions i asked it would be appreciated, but if ur gunna make a reply like this, don't bother, cause what im doing here is a little thing called research, u do it to figure out what u want to do and to learn about that choice, its not to listen to dickheads like urself try to flame on me

thank you

hey numbnuts
any motor is good for tuning. what's your point? whether it be a B16, a sr20, 4ag, 20v or a 1jz!
its all good!
depends on what YOU want!
you have to consider weight changes, power, turbo sizing, piping, wiring, motor mounts, money down time, chassis adjustment etc etc

how did i learn?

here at zilvia we use something calleda SEARCH function
also there are such on freshalloy, nico, 240sxforums..etc etc

also google is a prime resource

you obviously dont have the brain power.
stick w/ a SR20det or another kA.

[M.Piedlourde]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
thanx for not answering my question :rolleyes: and no i don't have that much knowlage yet, but i no someone who does, so.......and tell me, how do u go about getting Knowlage??????????? maybe by asking questions :rolleyes: so now if anyone can answer the questions i asked it would be appreciated, but if ur gunna make a reply like this, don't bother, cause what im doing here is a little thing called research, u do it to figure out what u want to do and to learn about that choice, its not to listen to dickheads like urself try to flame on me

thank you

This website will go a long way towards answering your questions about different engines that you can use:

http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/

Go to the "FAQs" section.

But, you asked "which motor would be best for a car being built with an emphisis on turning???"

On turning? I'm not sure how to answer that. The engine has little to do with how a car turns.

Now, a few points:

1) Learn how to spell.
2) Dousan is very willing to help you if the questions you have are intelligent and haven't already been asked 1,000 times. He's proven this to me more than once. Show some respect and these guys will really help you out.

[Ricer240sx]

ok, so now u gotta be a spelling b champ. to post on this board??? i thought everyone would be able to get the drift of what i was saying with out being a genious to be alble to figure it out, this isn't a term paper so im not doing spell checks, whats so hard about answering my question??? all i want is a little help without being harrassed. everyone is a newbie at some point, and its through asking questions that u learn, i did do some searces as it says in the first post and i didn't find answering this question, all im trying to do is better my knowlage here, not trying to start arguments over the net cause thats just retarded.

and yes i ment turning as in will the weight didtrabution be thrown off a lot by one or the other, i want to get into road racing so i want a good handleing car and yes, when ur talking about doing a swap the motor can effect ur haneling greatly!!

so could we please get to just answering the questions t hand as there is no point in flaming me cause i don't no something, i am just trying to learn

[Dousan_PG]

handling?
ka or Sr

simple as that
all others are heavier (maybe not by much but are) and will throw off weight ratios

[Ricer240sx]

Originally posted by dousan36
hey numbnuts
any motor is good for tuning. what's your point? whether it be a B16, a sr20, 4ag, 20v or a 1jz!
its all good!
depends on what YOU want!
you have to consider weight changes, power, turbo sizing, piping, wiring, motor mounts, money down time, chassis adjustment etc etc

how did i learn?

here at zilvia we use something calleda SEARCH function
also there are such on freshalloy, nico, 240sxforums..etc etc

also google is a prime resource

you obviously dont have the brain power.
stick w/ a SR20det or another kA.

but what i want to no is, which motor would be best for a car being built with an emphisis on turning ???


ok i no people have been asking this question sence the bord stared but i did a search and didn't find the answer im looking for, although i found a few others

and i am quite intelegent thank you very much, but u my friend have given me the imperesion that u are not, not saying that u are not but by the way u responded it jsut gives me that vib, how about we try this again and if u could, just answer my questions without all the other irrelivent "stuff" :D

[Dousan_PG]

yeah, im a idiot who just answered your question and then some....:rolleyes:

[Ricer240sx]

thank you very much, was that so hard? :D

now lets try another question :D

would it be worth the differance in wieght ratio to get the RB25 over teh SR20??? i would like to Drag also so i want bigger HP #'s but its just not my primary goal

Thanx

[Dousan_PG]

search mode
its been answered

i thought i said you need to research more?

[misnomer]

heheheh, Dousan is an asshole, but he knows his ****. If you put the time into researching your question a bit, we'll put the time into a good answer.

Anyhow, as far as motor swaps for handling, you're really looking at wieght balance. As Dousan said, the KA or SR motors are the best choices here, simply because they are lighter and will keep your car's weight ratio closer to 50/50. That's not saying that other motors are going to throw your handling in the ****ter, because they won't. Sure, a heavier motor will adversely effect your handling, but not immensely so (unless it's really damn heavy).

Honestly, I don't think the rb25 is going to be soo much heavier that you'll notice, unless you're good at noticing that kind of thing. The 240sx is not a drag queen, suspension is just not built for it. It can compete, but handling is where it's at.

One more thing to keep in mind is complexity. An SR20 is about as easy a motor swap as you will ever get. Moving to the RV or VG engines and you're putting in a motor built for a different chassis. It will involve considerably more work and custom fab parts. Don't discount the KA that is in there now. Built KAs are damn slick.



Oh, and I don't like the 2jz 'cause I don't know anything about it :P

[DarkRaptor42]

Mr. Ricer, im not trying to get on your bad side or give you ****. Heres the thing. Your car, I garuntee CAN NOT handle the horse power you want for racing. If your draging, sure. But being somone who is getting into motorsports myself, and has a hyped up engine and taken it to a few events on the STOCK suspension can tell you that your money is much better spent on $1800 worth of suspension than 1800 worth of engine. Your engine for "turning" is the stock engine for now. Your looking at 3000 plus for an RB and its ridiculous for road racing from what Ive seen. You sound like a ricer to me with the RHD BS but this is what you should do first not some over hyped engine that isnt going to help you at all since your suspension wont be able to handle it. I think dousan will agree with me on that.

Thank god I just ordered my stuff.

[Dousan_PG]

agreed
stock KA is pretty damn goood. for turbo as well


dont believe the hype

[transient]

Dousan, you wholly dissapoint me! You totally forgot about my favorite engine, the CA! :D

[Dousan_PG]

CA-awesome for POWER
its a mini-RB

[Ricer240sx]

ok, i think im just going to do the SR swap then :D

and whats so bad about the RHD conversion???? when i do the swap im going to be buying the front clip so its not like im going to be spending more money to do it. i no a guy with it done from his clip and i just like how thats the only other person who has it so its still pretty unique (hes got a sick S14) but hey, different strokes for different folks right? :D

[Dousan_PG]

actually A LOT of people have been grabbing clips and doing the RHD
its NOT original

what's wrong w/ LHD? NOTHING!!!


yeah SR is easiest, quickest and a great engine. great aftermarket support too

[mrdirty]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
...and whats so bad about the RHD conversion???? ...

1-Drivers are placed on the side closest to on-coming traffic because it is easier to see the dividing line, which is what you're supposed to position your car relative to; therefore it's SAFER.

2-Ever driven stick from the right seat?

3-Forget drive-thru unless you drive thru backwards....


Seriously, there are only negatives; the only posetive is attention from showing this ricey conversion to other ricers....personally, I really don't care what ppl think of my car.

Anywho, you sound like a kid so I won't trash you; just expect some wrath when u rice out one of the few remaining 240's...

[Ricer240sx]

Originally posted by mrdirty
personally, I really don't care what ppl think of my car.

Anywho, you sound like a kid so I won't trash you; just expect some wrath when u rice out one of the few remaining 240's...

neither do i so i am still doing it

and i jsut don't see how its "rice" because ur on the other side of the car??? but hey, its ok cause rice can win races too, just go to japan, u'll see :D

[mrdirty]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
neither do i so i am still doing it

and i jsut don't see how its "rice" because ur on the other side of the car??? but hey, its ok cause rice can win races too, just go to japan, u'll see :D

/turns off nice guy mode/

OK, so you've asked for reasons against and then dismissed them out of hand, dousan was right to rip you up...

If you're going to ask for advice, READ THE F'ING RESPONSES; nothing ****es ppl off more around here then wasting time on ricer post whores.

By the way genius, don't know if anyones clued you in but none of those engines are legal in north america and nothing will get that cop under your hood faster then a RHD conversion.....brilliant.


BTW: Don't tell me you're doing this conversion for any other reason then rice points, 'cause THERE IS NO OTHER POINT.

[mrdirty]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
....cause rice can win races too, just go to japan, u'll see :D


congratulations, stupidest thing I've heard all day (and I work w/ other engineers!)


yessir' that there RHD conversion aught to take a bit more time off your 1/4 mile than that six foot aluminum wing u got....

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
but hey, its ok cause rice can win races too, just go to japan, u'll see :D


ROFLMAO
you ARE an idiot!
this isnt japan.
you DONT need RHD in the USA.
unless you are into show cars and posing!

what's the point? see mr. dirty's post

its USELESS to have RHD in usa. unless you are driving an imported car (read: skyline)


and rice in japan, yeah we all know there are ricers in japan.
but they aren't converting to LHD, dingleberry.

[transient]

Hmm, well, this may sound somewhat ignorant, but I was under the impression that as long as an engine has decent throttle response and isn't heavy as hell, that it would still be pretty decent for quick handling, etc. I just can't see the engine of a car making that much of a difference in handling unless the weight throws it off or it has crappy throttle response.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by transient
Hmm, well, this may sound somewhat ignorant, but I was under the impression that as long as an engine has decent throttle response and isn't heavy as hell, that it would still be pretty decent for quick handling, etc. I just can't see the engine of a car making that much of a difference in handling unless the weight throws it off or it has crappy throttle response.

weight is the main factor
im still interested in seeing how much more a RB26 weighs over a sr20det..hmm

if it responds well and keep the integrity of a 240sx weight ratios it can be a great engine

im currently doing some homework on another engine that might be a great canidate for a 240sx (non nissan engine).

[zspturbo]

punchimindaface!

[transient]

Wow, dousan's doin research. Methinks something exciting will come from this :)

[Red]

If your going to drop in a SR and then waist your time on a RHD mod.... Just go buy a ****ing silvia... I was thinking of buying an S15 from japan. and then make it LHD (All I eat is drivethrough I would starve in a RHD car)

I hate Ricers... I hear a Honda CRX calling your name with some Altez lights and a big *** wing on a FF car. Why dont you drop on some chrome 18's on that 4 lug beast and race 240..

Stupid ricers.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Red
If your going to drop in a SR and then waist your time on a RHD mod.... Just go buy a ****ing silvia... I was thinking of buying an S15 from japan. and then make it LHD (All I eat is drivethrough I would starve in a RHD car)

I hate Ricers... I hear a Honda CRX calling your name with some Altez lights and a big *** wing on a FF car. Why dont you drop on some chrome 18's on that 4 lug beast and race 240..

Stupid ricers.

good luck making it LHD
there are no LHD silvias (S15) in world
a s13 dash is wider
a s14 wont fit iirc
i've seen s15 in s13, but there is small gap (s15 isnt as wide as s13)

bah..s15. hassle. its nice but its not godly. nothing a nice 240sx/180sx model can do just as well/if not better. if you want that s15 power, buy the engine. cost less the a complete car and less worry

[Ricer240sx]

Originally posted by dousan36
good luck making it LHD
there are no LHD silvias (S15) in world
a s13 dash is wider
a s14 wont fit iirc
i've seen s15 in s13, but there is small gap (s15 isnt as wide as s13)

bah..s15. hassle. its nice but its not godly. nothing a nice 240sx/180sx model can do just as well/if not better. if you want that s15 power, buy the engine. cost less the a complete car and less worry

o so u bashj me to **** for what i say but u give him a nice reply, wtf?????? there is no point that makes the RHD conversion rice, i no a guy whos car is prolly better than most of urs and its got the RHD conversion.

when did i say i was disregarding the info that i asked for. i said that i am going with the sr20 baised on the info that was givin, now u guys are just getting in a flame fest about the RHD conversion u guys are pussy *** fags if all u can do is flame people for being different......hey guess what im black, u gunna flame me for that to??? jesus christ u guys are retarded.

o and for the record, i hate crome, tezzas and huge wings fagots

[zspturbo]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
o so u bashj me to **** for what i say but u give him a nice reply, wtf?????? there is no point that makes the RHD conversion rice, i no a guy whos car is prolly better than most of urs and its got the RHD conversion.



YOU RETARD! omg, RHD = no performance upgrade, stupid, and for looks = RICE!!!

RHD conversion IS rice. its ABSOLUTE rice. its 100% rice. you are a ricer, you just dont want people to think badly of you, so you say you hate altezzas and wings, which you probably dont.

gotcha.

[Ricer240sx]

?????????? body kits are not rice, i like a car with a nice body kit, im gunna get a body kit, after a lot of performance mods but i am going to get a kit none the less. u guys are the retards...........what the hell have i done to diserve this sh!t??? all i did was ask a fu(king ??? about the motors and u imiture little pricks start all this gay *** flaming, u don't no me, u never even seenme, my car, or anything related to me, so don't say sh!t about me like this, u wanna say something about me say it to my face, other wise stop all this gay a$$ sh!t

[Jim96SC2]

This has been the most entertaining post tonight!

[Dousan_PG]

i didnt flame him BECAUSE
he was talking about buying a RHD car and making it LHD
buying s15 from japan and making it LHD
this is useful in western countries such as canada and USA for driving, safety and less cop hassles.

it was a legit question

you want yours for the bling factor.


Jim96SC2: ill be here all night. thank you thank you! donations at the door :p

[Got Sileighty?]

being a noob myself, i usually dont like it when newbies get flamed for asking a question or get that "use the search button" response. its why i try to think hard before asking anything hehe. but in this case.....

(looks to dousan, pulls sunglasses down, and in a vin diesel voice) "smoke him" :D :cool:

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by Ricer240sx
u guys are the retards...........what the hell have i done to diserve this sh!t???
Calling Dousan a dickhead for answering your questions was a start:
its not to listen to dickheads like urself

all i did was ask a fu(king ??? about the motors and u imiture little pricks start all this gay *** flaming, u don't no me, u never even seenme, my car, or anything related to me, so don't say sh!t about me like this,
You asked a question. You got an answer. When you didn't like the answer, you threw insults.

u wanna say something about me say it to my face, other wise stop all this gay a$$ sh!t
please take your own advice:
u guys are the retards


And so... since the discussion seems to be heading away from anything that should be associated with Tech Talk.....

[AJT]

This is why noobies to a given forum have a bad name.

Here's some help; I spent 30 seconds, used the search button, typed in quite simply "which motor handling" thinking that these words would often be repeated in a discussion about WHICH MOTOR to use for optimum HANDLING. Here are my results:
Try this first next time (http://www.zilvia.net/f/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=40831&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&pagenumber=2)

There's plenty of valuable reading there. Granted, there's some stuff that doesn't apply but generally you can tell by the title how the conversation is going to go.

I've been lurking this forum for quite some time. You shouldn't feel comfortable posting until you've read on here (or any other forum for that matter) long enough and searched enough to be confident that the topic hasn't been covered. People don't like repitition.

If you've ever conducted actual academic research before you would know that resears is NOT asking people what they think, it's looking into previously published information with solid data to back it and assessing your hypothesis from there.

I wish you luck in your education.

-Andy

[kalieaire]

one of the mods should use ricer240sx's quotes as a basis for a newb guide.

[misnomer]

Perhaps, but after this damn thread gets locked.

The reason everybody is saying a RHD conversion is "rice" is because it serves no purpose. It is difficult to do, difficult to get used to driving, and generally an inconvenience who's only redeeming quality is showing off. If you want to do it, more power to you. Just know when you aren't going to win a dispute and let it go :)

[Ricer240sx]

Originally posted by AceInHole

[/b]
You asked a question. You got an answer. When you didn't like the answer, you threw insults.[/B]

i took the advice and made a disision, the insults were from the whole RHD conversion thing, i never threw an insault based on the info given to me about the motor choise, thats the question i asked and i used the info and made a desision, and i even thanked him for that.

but anyway, i thank u all for the info that was given, and till next time, peace out