stance coilovers made where?

[rb25crazy]

i did a few google searches and can't seem to find out where stance coilovers are made.

any ideas? probably not china i'd imagine.

i saw one link that said stance usa was made in japan but then again not to sure and was wondering

thanks!

[Def]

I'd imagine Taiwan or China.

[BRAIN_Z33]

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/hbernritter/A%20Christmas%20in%20DC/santasworkshop.jpg

[Shadowhunter]

Why not contact Stance USA and ask them directly?

[ryguy]

I'm pretty sure they're made in China or Taiwan, etc, as was said before, but they are affiliated with (owned by?) Touge Factory. They even have the same address. I'm almost positive they will rebuild them right there in Illinois, thats one reason I bought mine. Pretty sure Touge Factory also is affiliated with (owns?) Origin Labs. All 3 are in Elk Grove Village, IL.

[ZenkiKid]

taiwan/china, I believe K-bee coils look exactly the same, if you go on i think alibaba youll find chinese Variants that look very similar

[forum04pl]

They originated out of Japan, moved to Korea for awhile if I remember correctly, then China, and now I think they are out of Taiwan.

[rb25crazy]

really out of taiwan now interesting. any chance these are made by bc racing as well? since they look pretty similar, then again all coilovers look similar go figure.

[atutt]

Stance is made by HSD I believe. And HSD is in Korea. At least. that's what HSD tells us.

[5t341tH]

distributor told me japan.
box says made in japan too.
at least for my car

[Shadowhunter]

Seems like a lot of speculation and hearsay for something that could easily be confirmed by Contacting stance directly.

[rb25crazy]

Seems like a lot of speculation and hearsay for something that could easily be confirmed by Contacting stance directly.


yeah ima do that, but i just wanted a faster response. you know how some companies take 2-3 days to respond to such a simple little message. but, cool beans it's made everywhere apparently!

[chato de shamrock]

Let us know what they tell you, just so we all are on the same page once and for all.

[Teknolust72]

why does it matter? If its a good product, and you like it, then get it!

[atutt]

^Probably for rebuild or warranty purposes. IE, turn around time if they ned to be fixed.

[Z33dori]

why does it matter? If its a good product, and you like it, then get it!

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90% of all coilovers are manufactured in Taiwan or China


but guess what... that has nothing to do with the research and development of the product

[s13silvia123]

there you go biiitches now quit bitching about this and that

product testing and comparison on the top used coilovers that Pros uses

from top as very good to bottom as blah

this is what stance is compared to from the magizine Drift Tengoku

http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/images/stancevs.jpg

[Teknolust72]

Actually, DoriTen has never reviewed Stance coilovers. That graph was actually taken from the D Max coilover review that was done years ago. Stance USA then compared their data to this graph, and added themselves to the comparison.

[Silverbullet]

Stance is made by HSD I believe. And HSD is in Korea. At least. that's what HSD tells us.

This is what i am under the impression of as well.

[Silverbullet]

from top as very good to bottom as blah
http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/images/stancevs.jpg

You got it wrong.

According to that graph, Apexi and Racing Gear have the better rebound curve. The plots that represent Stance, Dmax, and DG5 are too linear. It is ideal for a damper of a race car to have a digressive trend.

[BrokenWhite240]

I believe they are in japan and have a development/distribution center in the usa. The stance symbols like the octopus and the others were thought in the usa. And they also rebuild them and everything at the us dist. Atleast that's what one of the stance sellers told me at d1

[rb25crazy]

that stance graph is for what?

anyone know or have the stance lx+ dyno graph?

emailed stance, but still waiting fun stuff.

[ZenkiKid]

that stance graph is for what?

anyone know or have the stance lx+ dyno graph?

emailed stance, but still waiting fun stuff.


those are the stance coils that got cheap right? If Im right they have a 7/5k rate. I assume with rates that low they are equivalent to Tein flex/Both JIC FLT A1 and the FAS.

[Shaminii]

The only real legit answer you are going to receive is by contacting Stance themselves. Anybody, on the internet, could say they are made in Mexico and a billion of people will believe and keep spreading all this crap on the internet. You cann't really believe what people tell you on the internet unless they have a legit source that backs up their statements. All these telling me coilovers are shitty because they are made in China because someone on a internet forum told them so.

[southerncross]

i contacted them about rebuilding them and they said stateside, so i'm assuming wherever it is they're mad they are high enough quality to be rebuilt by americans at an american pay scale.

[electricSX]

why does it matter? If its a good product, and you like it, then get it!

agreed, they take a beating and allows you to pretty much scrape everywhere if you wanna be that low

[tougefactory]

You got it wrong.

According to that graph, Apexi and Racing Gear have the better rebound curve. The plots that represent Stance, Dmax, and DG5 are too linear. It is ideal for a damper of a race car to have a digressive trend.

What determines a "better" rebound curve? Do you have evidence of a such "race car" with a digressive "trend". Sounds like you spend too much time on the internet regurgitating misleading information. Sorry for being harsh but stating facts ;)

If you have access to such "race cars" from Porsche gt cup cars to Indy cars, you'll find that almost all will have linear dyno plot on pvp graph. Unless your racecar is rocking a oem shocks or koni yellows, you won't find digressive curves on a real racecars.

Only advantage of digressive curve rebound is that it gives the car a "cadillac" feeling, which is nice for street driving at the legal street limit but not really advantageous for racing where high speed control, stability is critical. With shim stacks tuned for digressive curve you also loose the adjustment range.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Stance stuff is made by the same factory that used to make awesome coilovers in Japan until several years ago, until their main office closed down. This "K" company was proven in D1 races and used by many famous drivers in japan so I know its good stuff. Stance actually sponsors D1 drivers in japan currently. Fukuyama, Teramachi, and Kazuya Bai.

Honestly I could care less where its made (its actually made in Zimbawe), as long as the product proves itself. I know the guys at Stance and they're always testing their products and making improvements. And probably the only suspension company where I can get any parts on my coilover serviced the same day without question.

[SilviaSR20DET]

how much does it cost for a rebuild here in the states?

[atutt]

Stance stuff is made by the same factory that used to make awesome coilovers in Japan until several years ago, until their main office closed down. This "K" company was proven in D1 races and used by many famous drivers in japan so I know its good stuff. Stance actually sponsors D1 drivers in japan currently. Fukuyama, Teramachi, and Kazuya Bai.

Honestly I could care less where its made (its actually made in Zimbawe), as long as the product proves itself. I know the guys at Stance and they're always testing their products and making improvements. And probably the only suspension company where I can get any parts on my coilover serviced the same day without question.


I can confirm. HSD makes Stance. Same product in every way. Minus colour and brand name.
HSD also makes/made Buddy Club and Kei Office.
Well. that's what our HSD guys tell us.

[singlecamslam]

You dont rebuild stance coilovers, you can buy new shocks for like 100 bucks, and swap everything over. Thats what they told me.

[articdragon192]

HSD also makes KTS and PowerTrix coilovers from what I know.

[95KA-Turbo]

What determines a "better" rebound curve? Do you have evidence of a such "race car" with a digressive "trend". Sounds like you spend too much time on the internet regurgitating misleading information. Sorry for being harsh but stating facts ;)

If you have access to such "race cars" from Porsche gt cup cars to Indy cars, you'll find that almost all will have linear dyno plot on pvp graph. Unless your racecar is rocking a oem shocks or koni yellows, you won't find digressive curves on a real racecars.

Only advantage of digressive curve rebound is that it gives the car a "cadillac" feeling, which is nice for street driving at the legal street limit but not really advantageous for racing where high speed control, stability is critical. With shim stacks tuned for digressive curve you also loose the adjustment range.

Everything I have ever read about suspension engineering states that a digressive compression curve is ideal because it allows for stiff low speed valving and a comparatively softer high speed valving. Meaning the car stays planted on the ground and isn't easily upset by sudden bumps/wheel drops/rumble strips/etc. All of the dyno graphs I've ever seen for Ohlins/Koni/Bilstein/Moton have had a digressive rebound curve.

If you can point me in the direction of literature that says otherwise please do so I can broaden my horizons.


That being said, wouldn't most people on here like a coilover set up that wouldn't shake their kidneys out driving on the street, performed well on the track, and let them slam their cars? :coold: I think lots of people would be interested in a digressively valved affordable suspension set up.


- I am retarded you are talking about rebound not compression.

Rebound should be fairly linear in shape.

[TommyGun]

i had them on my s14. i believe the box said made in japan. the warning label was super jdm tight yo too "keep away from heat and frame." great coils no matter where they were made though

[Silverbullet]

What determines a "better" rebound curve? Do you have evidence of a such "race car" with a digressive "trend". Sounds like you spend too much time on the internet regurgitating misleading information. Sorry for being harsh but stating facts ;)

If you have access to such "race cars" from Porsche gt cup cars to Indy cars, you'll find that almost all will have linear dyno plot on pvp graph. Unless your racecar is rocking a oem shocks or koni yellows, you won't find digressive curves on a real racecars.

Only advantage of digressive curve rebound is that it gives the car a "cadillac" feeling, which is nice for street driving at the legal street limit but not really advantageous for racing where high speed control, stability is critical. With shim stacks tuned for digressive curve you also loose the adjustment range.

i hate to revive an old thread, but i havn't been on zilvia in some time and i'd like to respond to this since it was directed towards me.

The regurgitating internet comment was a low blow and i take offense to that...

By a better curve, i am referring to a curve with high speed roll off on the rebound.

I don't have my own evidence, however i can reference SAE, Millikan published material. If you have the text book "Racecar Vehicle Dynamics" by Milliken and Millkien, on page 798 starts talking about damper characteristics. I can photo copy the relative pages if you don't have this. Googlebooks may have it.

It does not specifically say how it negatively affects the cars handling other than describing it as "bad", however i have the impression that if the rebound force is too high (in relation the spring K and bump force) the reaction of the wheel to retract back down is reduced causing a loss of traction, especially on rougher pavement.

No, i don't have exp with Indy or Porsche GT cup cars at all, however I would like to see more info if you can share what you know on this, as it is more practical stuff than I have been exposed to as far as dampers go.

It may be more appropriate to create a separate thread.

[speedf50]

Why the fuck don't people just contact companies instead of asking randoms on the internet for answers?

FYI stance has great customer service, has always picked up the phone when I called, and they are based here in the good ol' usa. Give them a call!

Sorry about bringing back an oldish thread btw, just hate to see so much speculation on forums.

[Slammed180]

great bump.

[Def]

What determines a "better" rebound curve? Do you have evidence of a such "race car" with a digressive "trend". Sounds like you spend too much time on the internet regurgitating misleading information. Sorry for being harsh but stating facts ;)

If you have access to such "race cars" from Porsche gt cup cars to Indy cars, you'll find that almost all will have linear dyno plot on pvp graph. Unless your racecar is rocking a oem shocks or koni yellows, you won't find digressive curves on a real racecars.

Only advantage of digressive curve rebound is that it gives the car a "cadillac" feeling, which is nice for street driving at the legal street limit but not really advantageous for racing where high speed control, stability is critical. With shim stacks tuned for digressive curve you also loose the adjustment range.

So since you seem so quick to throw something like a Koni Yellow under the bus(which are a better damper than an entry level Stance damper IMO), what about the digressive curve on all the shim stack combinations for a Koni 2812?

http://www.koniracing.com/images/drawings/2812_diagramm.gif

I wouldn't even want to begin to compare any Stance products to a Koni 28 series for a variety of reasons(completely different classes of product and performance), but it seems to me that if a damper with as much R&D behind it as a Koni 28 has a digressive damper curve, it is probably the basic shape you want to look for in a damper.

I would hope you do realize what high speed rebound entails, and the only time it is used - basically when a car goes over a large bump and the tire has very little load on it and the spring is trying to rapidly extend the damper. Why one would want high damping here and hold the wheel up longer than it needs to be is beyond me... You also run into this situation just as often on the track as the street by going over curbs or undulations in the pavement at high speed.


So please, enlighten me as to why a nearly perfectly linear damping curve is ideal on both bump and rebound.

[kalypso123]

distributor told me japan.
box says made in japan too.
at least for my car

that and HSD sound good to me.

stance and PBM are the reigning lords of the underworld.

:eek3: i'll have to buy coils soon, notes duely taken.