Feds Seize Illegal Nissan Skyline GT-Rs In Cali [Illegal Imports]

[ZilviaBot]

10-01-2009 08:30 AM

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_Nissan_Skyline_Seized.jpg (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/10/Nissan_Skyline_Seized.jpg)After warning letters were sent to owners 60 days ago (below), teams of Kevlar-armed Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers are seizing grey market Nissan Skyline (http://jalopnik.com/tag/nissan-skyline/) GT-Rs imported by Kaizo according to GTR USA Blog (http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html). Below, why it happened.

Last August the letter below was sent from the Southern California United States Attorney's office stating that "the referenced Nissan Skyline automobile... is not in compliance with U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Department of Transportation requirements." The letter goes on to state that the vehicles can't be operated and the feds are coming for them within 60 days. They weren't lying.

According to GTR USA, two R34s and an R32 have already been seized and, if the letter above is an indication, an R33 is on the list.

Importing vehicles without the appropriate credentialing from the appropriate U.S. agencies almost always ends up with cars being seized by the government, especially Skylines (http://jalopnik.com/398211/godzillas-geishas-and-organized-crime-0+60-delves-into-motorex), and people getting fined or jail time. In this case, the cars were imported by Kaizo under a special exemption for automotive parts. They brought over the shells and drivetrains separately and then reassembled them. They were then, apparently, registered under the law as SB 100, which is for kit/show cars. This exemption allows vehicles not driven frequently to be registered without smog checks.

We have a feeling these cars are being driven frequently.

The U.S. Attorney ended his letter "Very Truly Yours" but it looks like those Nissans are now "Very Truly His."

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[Document Credit: GTR USA Blog (http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2009/08/us-department-of-justice-letter-60-days.html), GTR USA Blog (http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2009/09/r34-seized-in-california-kaizo-drama.html)]



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[Ali 556]

Good,

Let them go and buy a MKIV supra...R34 Are heavy s hell and under powered on stock RB26CRAPCRAP. And moding these Small lag producing engine will cost you and arm and a leg and your youngest kid,

Go MKIV Supra :snoop:

[Wake]

WTF??
What does a MKIV have anything to do with this article? the point in this is that even if you had a JDM MKIV supra and it was imported properly you wouldnt be able to keep it either.
shut your pie hole.
with all your 2JZCRAPCRAP, HAHA yeah cuz supra parts are sooo much cheaper.

[el ocho]

who cares, really. its a skyline. Big woop. I see 5 a day.

[ryguy]

Fuckin government. Don't they have anything better to do, like fix the massively fucked up California budget? I'm sure these seizures are costing taxpayers money.

[S14DB]

Fuckin government. Don't they have anything better to do, like fix the massively fucked up California budget? I'm sure these seizures are costing taxpayers money.

Why would the feds care about California's State budget?

Customs under Homeland Security has plenty of money post Sept. 11th to protect us from illegal imports. Everybody crys about protecting our borders...

Waiting on the Kaizo fanboys to chime in. Letters aren't so fake now huh?

[ryguy]

Whoops, misread the letterhead. In either case, still stupid of them to waste resources on this.

[JVDSKYRINE]

who cares, really. its a skyline. Big woop. I see 5 a day.


Your in Canada and we don't see R34's or S15's which are :wackit:

[Rick-95ZE]

Special Agent Jeffery Eastman> your GTR sneakiness..



"Very Truly His."




:rofl::rofl:

[S14_Kouki]

who cares, really. its a skyline. Big woop. I see 5 a day.

You also live in Canada

[s13 @ fullboost]

Well that's a bust I know a few people with skylines locally who are going to be sad =/

[DataXUnknown]

damn that sucks, i know a couple guys with skylines that drive them on the streets hope theirs doesn't get seized.

[HyperTek]

these guys are getting paid pretty good to hunt down all teh skylines.. id say a few hundred thousand probably being invested in this hunt.. =(

[DrftKingIII]

I'd probably cry myself to sleep for the next few years.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well that's a bust I know a few people with skylines locally who are going to be sad =/

damn that sucks, i know a couple guys with skylines that drive them on the streets hope theirs doesn't get seized.

They are going after Kaizo cars...basically, they had a warrant and seized Kaizo's computers and records, which they are now using to track all these cars. So unless you went thru Kaizo to get your car into the country, you should still be good for the mean time. Shitty part is, I know a couple military folks who went thru them who are about to get fucked royally.

[Slammed Assassin]

dammit. always in cali!

[TirePusher]

damn, that sucks.

[Ceepo]

just another reason for you guys to leave cali...

[SexPanda]

If I had a Kaizo skyline and I got word of this, I'd spend a day pulling the engine, gutting the interior, and putting it up on jacks in my garage. That way when they came, what can they do? I was building a race car.

[Skyn]

^^^^ most agreed with this above statement

[Azian]

fk CA and the gov't

[socal_kouki]

We have a feeling these cars are being driven frequently.


Better be ready for more anal reamings from the governments "feeling" probe.

[Kid coupie]

Just a noob ? is it just the Kaizo or Motorex and others as well...just wondering cuz...if they go after one they'll go after all of them. no?

[whyteboy]

Just a noob ? is it just the Kaizo or Motorex and others as well...just wondering cuz...if they go after one they'll go after all of them. no?
i believe motorex was done years ago they got shut down.

[Kid coupie]

OH so does that mean there wont be anymore LEGAL skylines?? Just wondering cuz this sucks azz...

[yota man]

i believe motorex was done years ago they got shut down.

True. Tons of shady stuff there. But didn't they actually go through the process of having their converted R33's crash tested?

The cars that were at the shop were seized by the gov. if I remember correctly.

How ever most of the cars that had already been sold got grandfathered in because the Dot/Epa had already deemed them legal.

[fliprayzin240sx]

just another reason for you guys to leave cali...

Wont make a difference, these are the Feds going after the Kaizo cars. People in TX, CA, NV, NM, NC, SC, WA and FL has been hit up. They searched and seized all computers from Kaizo that had a list of all their clients. Needless to say, they have a fucking shopping list of cars to go after.

Just a noob ? is it just the Kaizo or Motorex and others as well...just wondering cuz...if they go after one they'll go after all of them. no?

OH so does that mean there wont be anymore LEGAL skylines?? Just wondering cuz this sucks azz...

Like I stated above, they are going by the list they obtained from Kaizo...so if you have a Skyline and you didnt go thru Kaizo, you are kinda safe for now. But it wouldnt take much for them to go thru every states DMV and search up Skylines and JDM vins listed to go after you.

As far as Motorex, all Motorex cars were grandfathered in. Basically if you have your car already and you went thru Motorex and they actually went thru all the process of making it legal...its legal to have in the states.

Kaizo is getting hit up because they imported the cars as Chassis only. Feds are not playing dumb, they know that these cars were brought in, reassembled and driven on the roads with illegal engines. Guess thats what got their panties in a bunch. I bet if you have an R34 and you stuffed an LSx in there, you'd be golden.

[reflexdb]

I was wondering how Paul Walker got to choose 3 Skyline's from the secret government computer in "Fast and Furious," - guess they were Kaizo cars...

[s14canyoncity]

Good,

Let them go and buy a MKIV supra...R34 Are heavy s hell and under powered on stock RB26CRAPCRAP. And moding these Small lag producing engine will cost you and arm and a leg and your youngest kid,

Go MKIV Supra :snoop:

shut up what does supras have to do with the article...


funny there no point of doing this im sure they will end up on a fed auction somewhere and some rich fucker going to buy it. still ends up in the US. fucking wasting my tax dollars, how about cutting us a break here in CA

[fliprayzin240sx]

shut up what does supras have to do with the article...


funny there no point of doing this im sure they will end up on a fed auction somewhere and some rich fucker going to buy it. still ends up in the US. fucking wasting my tax dollars, how about cutting us a break here in CA

Actually, they will get crushed...

[gospdracer90]

Actually, they will get crushed...

hearing that makes me want to cry, so on that note.. i will cry myself to sleep

[slidetankslide]

I was wondering how Paul Walker got to choose 3 Skyline's from the secret government computer in "Fast and Furious," - guess they were Kaizo cars...
... in fact, they were.

[bardabe]

Actually, they will get crushed...

a piece of me just died inside.

[sevenstar]

Why would the feds care about California's State budget?

Customs under Homeland Security has plenty of money post Sept. 11th to protect us from illegal imports. Everybody crys about protecting our borders...

Waiting on the Kaizo fanboys to chime in. Letters aren't so fake now huh?

why isn't customs spending this money to remove all the illegal and undocumented mexicans here in california, espsecially the ones here in los angeles?

[951's 330i]

why isn't customs spending this money to remove all the illegal and undocumented mexicans here in california, espsecially the ones here in los angeles?

Because mexicans arent the only ones that are illegal. Aliens stand for any illegals. way to generalize buddy:spank::fawkd:

[tanks13]

why isn't customs spending this money to remove all the illegal and undocumented mexicans here in california, espsecially the ones here in los angeles?
becasue they rather fuck people over and how do they know whos legal or not im retty sure you seen born in east l.a what the fuck are we all gonna have to carry our fucken passport so we wont get deported ? racist fuck

[S14DB]

why isn't customs spending this money to remove all the illegal and undocumented mexicans here in california, espsecially the ones here in los angeles?

Cause it's not Customs job?

[blackoutt]

Actually, they will get crushed...


JDM cash for clunkers, except fo free :cry:

[fuk240sx]

fuking EPA wasting more of the taxpayers money.......there should just be fees according to the emmisions, like England....... gov. makes money instead of wasting it....

[951's 330i]

fuking EPA wasting more of the taxpayers money.......there should just be fees according to the emmisions, like England....... gov. makes money instead of wasting it....
Bingo, i mean come on, money in the bag with that

[STEEZxIT]

californian's getting fucked in the ass again....

[s14-365]

are the owner going to get compesated

[hottscennessey]

LOL hell no.

Only if they sell the car overseas before the govt. get's it. Did you read the thread?

[proj240sx]

yay for california car nazi laws..and the gov having some free time and money to spend

[S14DB]

yay for california car nazi laws..and the gov having some free time and money to spend

These are federal laws... :ughd:

[Lucas180]

Ide just say mine was stolen to avoid getting it taken away or just say you are using ti for a track car only.. there no rules on that stuff..just cant street drive them anymore really ..sucks i guess. how can they take them away for no reason?

[Tom25666]

i read an article about this in import tuner or one of those mags- the government is going to get thier money, bet on that

[S14DB]

Ide just say mine was stolen to avoid getting it taken away or just say you are using ti for a track car only.. there no rules on that stuff..just cant street drive them anymore really ..sucks i guess. how can they take them away for no reason?

They were brought into the country under false pretenses. You can't keep it. If you brought it in properly as a track or show car you can use it as such. There ARE rules. Vehicle Importation Regulations (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/)

[porkchop911]

every one is hatin on the skiline but the fact of the matter is the skyline is a beast and its sexy as heel they should let them come into the states "its a car" cheese and rice like we got lambo's and all this other shit legal here and like wtf reaaly

[ranger240]

becasue they rather fuck people over and how do they know whos legal or not im retty sure you seen born in east l.a what the fuck are we all gonna have to carry our fucken passport so we wont get deported ? racist fuck

way to be an idiot.. oh and your vagina is leaking :cry:

[91SuperS13]

if you want a skyline so badly, just move to Canada! Tune your skyline, smoke some dank canadian grass, and go do your best smokey nagata impression on the freeway! Problem sloved....

otherwise, bust out your sex grease and keep jerkin'! Or go about importing one correctly and spend the 80-90 large on a 10-16 year old car.

[celm]

Dustin Westberry of Largo Fl,was doing the titles for Kaizo untill the state stoped him from doing it.He still took $ from kaizo for titles and didnt title anything,so he robbed from kaizo.The kaizo cars in cali that got seized were not titled and reg in cali,they were done in other states.the only way they could of find those cars was for someone to tell them where they were.so the one who ratted was Dustin Westberry .Dustan had copies of all the kaizo titles he did and he knew where the kaizo cars were.When DOT and customs spoke with Dustin months before the kaizo raid,he gave them all the copies and locations.

[97240TB]

I have to agree, tear the car down and rebuild it as a weekend car, otherwise you have no choice but to hand it over. There's so much red tape anymore with cars and importation regulations there's just no point anymore.

Part of me feels like our government is stripping people of these vehicles because they weren't built stateside. they feel like our "Local" manufacturers are suffering and can't give cars away. i.e. -Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge and so on.

I understand these cars were illegally imported and those incharge should be disciplined for their actions, But I believe our government has more important things to be concerned with then someone driving a vehicle which was illegally imported. It's alot like attacking a man for J-walking when theirs a guy down the street stealing a neighbors T.V. Sad day when enthusiasts can't enjoy the cars of their dreams simply because of a few individuals in GOV who can't find something better to do with their lives.:bigok:

[projectx605]

becasue they rather fuck people over and how do they know whos legal or not im retty sure you seen born in east l.a what the fuck are we all gonna have to carry our fucken passport so we wont get deported ? racist fuck

How is suggesting that we maintain an actual border for this country a racist comment. Race has nothing to do with it

[mysync]

so sad, the US gets jipped on everything. We need to learn from europeans.

[XnTroubleX]

I think that the massive amounts of money spent on this investigation and man power to complete this task would have been more beneficial if it was spent on anti-terrorism security or educational purposes for our children. There are so many schools that could have used this money on buying new books, or learning curriculum material! They should have used this money to fund more border patrol agents to keep drugs out of the reach of children. Or even spending it to increase security in schools to keep children safe from that one kid who was not liked enough and decides to come to school with a gun. But instead, their wasting money by removing cars just cause they dont pass standards of American government. When was the last time that a skyline hijacked an airplane and crashed it into two major buildings? When was the last time that a Skyline walked into a school and killed 20 children? When was the last time a skyline set off a roadside bomb? This is a complete waste of money!

[celm]

I think that the massive amounts of money spent on this investigation and man power to complete this task would have been more beneficial if it was spent on anti-terrorism security or educational purposes for our children. There are so many schools that could have used this money on buying new books, or learning curriculum material! They should have used this money to fund more border patrol agents to keep drugs out of the reach of children. Or even spending it to increase security in schools to keep children safe from that one kid who was not liked enough and decides to come to school with a gun. But instead, their wasting money by removing cars just cause they dont pass standards of American government. When was the last time that a skyline hijacked an airplane and crashed it into two major buildings? When was the last time that a Skyline walked into a school and killed 20 children? When was the last time a skyline set off a roadside bomb? This is a complete waste of money!
i hear you man

[JdmGtDriver]

i hear you man
+1 bro I feel you

[celm]

think about it,every timethey go and seize a car from someone out side of the port.the $ spent for investigation,money spend for the man power,getting the agents out to the location and bring the impoud truck in,warrents,paperwork,etc...then its transported to a customs warehouse,they inventory it,post it on there website for auction.and they make it that the car has to be exported out of the country.so it will sell for pennies on teh dollar.for what that car sold for at auction.doesnt even cover the cost of gettimg the impound truck to go get the car.so how many tens of thousands of dollars were spent to take someones car.when that $ could of gone to something that can benifit the american people.i hate this country!!

[oni jake]

What? If you guys really "feel" that way. When the last time you guys went out and voted? When was the last time you took a active step in voicing your opinion? When was the last time you wrote your congressman or senator? You guys do realize they need public opinion to survive in any office they are running, so even if they personally don't agree with your voice, they are still basically required to give you attention.

Secondly, this money that is for the FEDs is pipelined and locked within a budget. These rules are in place to keep money from being transferred, untracked, and gives a specific budget justification.

For example. Lets say the FBI needs a average of $10 per year to operate. But because of the tight budget and fighting with other government organizations to get the most amount of money in the same pot which everyone feeds off of, the FBI must come up with sort of justification why it needs $10 for a up and coming year which no one can predict the future. Sometimes with how things are so unpredictable a entire organization, such as the FBI, only used $7 out of the entire year. So that extra $3 is basically locked and MUST be spent before the end of the fiscal year. This money can't go to other notable things because it's completely unethical. In short it sounds awesome to donate that money to find the cure for AIDS or something like buying school books, but in reality and dealing with any kind of law, any government organization giving money away is a complete waste as you can simply say, "why did we budget you $10 for the entire year in the first place?"

It's retarded but that's how the system fundamentally works for a government to move ahead in the fiscal year. I only know of this because I helped do some budgeting for my job in the Air Force and as much as it upset me at first to waste money, the more I looked into the more it makes sense. Whenever we hit the end of the fiscal year in Vehicle Maintenance and we had left over spare cash we would splurge on completely useless shit. Random $5000 tools that look awesome on paper and get absolutely zero action in the shop? We would have to spend our budget or the next year we get even less money to do our jobs as the number crunchers sit back and think "well they did need $10 last year, so lets just give them $5 this year."

Hopefully all that rambling makes sense. But seriously, if this bothers any of you, bitching about it on the internet, especially Zilvia really really really really accomplishes alot. Take 10 minutes out of your day and write your representing congressman, email the media, take proactive steps. The FBI is paid by people like you, me, and even the foreign assholes who come into the US and buy a Snickers bar. These guys have bosses, and just so be it thanks to democracy these bosses represent you.

[engineer17]

What? If you guys really "feel" that way. When the last time you guys went out and voted? When was the last time you took a active step in voicing your opinion? When was the last time you wrote your congressman or senator? You guys do realize they need public opinion to survive in any office they are running, so even if they personally don't agree with your voice, they are still basically required to give you attention.

Secondly, this money that is for the FEDs is pipelined and locked within a budget. These rules are in place to keep money from being transferred, untracked, and gives a specific budget justification.

For example. Lets say the FBI needs a average of $10 per year to operate. But because of the tight budget and fighting with other government organizations to get the most amount of money in the same pot which everyone feeds off of, the FBI must come up with sort of justification why it needs $10 for a up and coming year which no one can predict the future. Sometimes with how things are so unpredictable a entire organization, such as the FBI, only used $7 out of the entire year. So that extra $3 is basically locked and MUST be spent before the end of the fiscal year. This money can't go to other notable things because it's completely unethical. In short it sounds awesome to donate that money to find the cure for AIDS or something like buying school books, but in reality and dealing with any kind of law, any government organization giving money away is a complete waste as you can simply say, "why did we budget you $10 for the entire year in the first place?"

It's retarded but that's how the system fundamentally works for a government to move ahead in the fiscal year. I only know of this because I helped do some budgeting for my job in the Air Force and as much as it upset me at first to waste money, the more I looked into the more it makes sense. Whenever we hit the end of the fiscal year in Vehicle Maintenance and we had left over spare cash we would splurge on completely useless shit. Random $5000 tools that look awesome on paper and get absolutely zero action in the shop? We would have to spend our budget or the next year we get even less money to do our jobs as the number crunchers sit back and think "well they did need $10 last year, so lets just give them $5 this year."

Hopefully all that rambling makes sense. But seriously, if this bothers any of you, bitching about it on the internet, especially Zilvia really really really really accomplishes alot. Take 10 minutes out of your day and write your representing congressman, email the media, take proactive steps. The FBI is paid by people like you, me, and even the foreign assholes who come into the US and buy a Snickers bar. These guys have bosses, and just so be it thanks to democracy these bosses represent you.



well put, and thanks for the info. I think this was enough to get me motivated to atleast write some letters/emails and see where it gets me.

[1995240sxfulybuilt]

... in fact, they were.
they are paul's cars, i have seen them personally.

[codyace]

Secondly, this money that is for the FEDs is pipelined and locked within a budget. These rules are in place to keep money from being transferred, untracked, and gives a specific budget justification.


Well said (entire post)

It's tough for people to understand how federally based budgets work, but (have done similar work as you did with the miltiary), it must be spent...as if it's not, it's essentially 'thrown away'...in the grand scheme, it's better to buy stuff you may not need, than just make XXX dollar vanish into nothingness.

[RB24_S14]

Good,

Let them go and buy a MKIV supra...R34 Are heavy s hell and under powered on stock RB26CRAPCRAP. And moding these Small lag producing engine will cost you and arm and a leg and your youngest kid,

Go MKIV Supra :snoop:

:stupid:
YOU FAILLLL!!!!
GET OFF THIS THREAD!
2JZCRAPPP isnt shit. THEY CALL THE SKYLINE GODZILLA FOR A REASON. The same reason why Supra didnt get it was because the Skyline outperformed it in everyyyy way. Heavy? the Supra weights the same. Underpowered? Yea Nissan underpowered it BUT only on paper because of the 1990's Gentlement aggrement not to exceed 280hp. But Skyline produce 300-320hp STOCK.

[RB24_S14]

I really hope the Skyline owners find a way to keep it. I feel bad for the fellow skyline owners who got their cars seized. Luck to ya!

[spooled240]

man if I got a letter like that saying they were gonna take my skyline I'd hide it and say I crashed it and it got burned to the ground...maybe give them a crushed, torched POS car and tell them it was my old skyline

[Miles (San Antonio)]

There is a good article on this in Nissan Sport magazine.

[MonkeyWrench]

Another Skyline Owner Targeted (http://forums.nicoclub.com/breaking-news-nissan-skyline-seized-t525694.html)

Time to "lie low", guys. Or better yet, get involved.

[word sux]

who cares



I am not a rich douche bag. if you bought and illegal car you should be prepared to face the music.

if you were stupid enough to pay 20-30k on a grey market car then whatever happens, happens

[240Shwag]

I could see them holding the vehicles until they can be disposed of legaly (ie sold), but to crush them is just retarded. It doesn't make sense. They could in theory make some of the money back by allowing the owners to dispose of them and then assessing a fee of some kind.

As said above. The more you hold your opinion back and chuckle about what your government agencies have recently done without doing something yourself, the worse it will get. Get active son. This is why states like California and NJ have lost the majority of its firearms rights.

[MonkeyWrench]

Well-said, Shwag.

What the previous poster doesn't comprehend is this: Next thing is, they'll be taking away your right to drive a 20-year old USDM car. Or prohibiting any modifications.

Try and pay attention. No one said anything about anyone being "rich" or a douchebag. I suppose you'd think that of me if you saw my garage, and I can assure you that I am neither.

[S14DB]

I could see them holding the vehicles until they can be disposed of legaly (ie sold), but to crush them is just retarded. It doesn't make sense. They could in theory make some of the money back by allowing the owners to dispose of them and then assessing a fee of some kind.
They can't be legally sold. Usually you get an opportunity to export it. But, it can't stay in the US legally. Crushing is the most efficient and cost effective.

Do you want them to give the drug dealers back their drugs after they have been seized?

[codyace]

In the grand scheme of things, I think it's an overwhelming waste of Uncle Sam's dollar....but at the same moment I do understand 100% that it is not legal.

[ixfxi]

who cares about this shit, its ancient history



for one, these cars can always be imported as track only cars... right? RIGHT. because they dont need to meet shits worth of standards, OBD-2? more like OBD-0... crash bars, etc etc.. its all pointless if its for track, which is what it should be.


people go through all this trouble to have a fucking ancient dated ass old car. even the headlights on that r33 make me puke, the shitty RHD halogen ones... which i might add, are completely unsafe and unfit for street use much like the s13 silvia lights all you fucktards are running. if you want to dance, you gotta pay the piper. go through all the fucking hoops to make these cars safe to use on the street. unless you're delivering mail, theres no point to having a RHD car in a country where LHD are the standard. theres no cool factor about it, there have been countless tests showing that there are safety risks involved with driving on the right hand side in this country.


these cars are not rare and not special, they're as universal as the fucking corvette in the States. leave it to the playstation generation to get all emo over a shitty old sportscar. want a gtr? buy a new one. they suck anyway.

[Persona]

LOL you guys are hilarious. This should not be on the priority list of the government, they are singling out such a very small minority which has no negative effect on society.

[Vatche]

so sad.

i voted.

nothing changed.

actually shit only got worse.

good luck in life...

[codyace]

there have been countless tests showing that there are safety risks involved with driving on the right hand side in this country.

Having driven a GTiR Pulsar around (RHD) a few years back, I'll be the first to admit how SHITTY is is driving one. Vantage points are all wacky, blindspots become SUPER pronounced and in general it's a bigger PITA than it's worth. Sure you can 'drive around it' but I'd rather not need to 'deal with stupid shit' on my fun car.


want a gtr? buy a new one. they suck anyway.

Now now, they are quite fun on track. Especially because you can actually listen to the radio and have the heated seats on. :mepoke:

[Imarvin240]

man, people are so angry in this thread...i say just wait how ever many years we still have to wait, till they can be imported legally...then get one :)

or like the man said...track car :)

[chiboy002]

or stop putting the skyline on its silver platter. It's just another fucking car, rb's can be had so easily now and the technology behind suspension works and such make it so that you can pretty much build a 240sx to preform just as well as a skyline for fractions of the cost.

The only reason you guys care so much is cause of fanboy status, a car is a car unless you are actually into tracking them and making good use out of the car.

And, to my knowledge, you get 90 days or something like that to sell the car and have proof of deportation and you get fined if Customs catches it before being registered.

[ixfxi]

Now now, they are quite fun on track. Especially because you can actually listen to the radio and have the heated seats on. :mepoke:

oh, and the seats suck too...


i know, i have a pair for sale

[psychos13]

Bull shit I meet 2 guys with r32 gtr and a guy with a s13 silvia and another with a s15 Silvia and they have legally registered in California Blue tagged and everything

[mau5trap]

Bull shit I meet 2 guys with r32 gtr and a guy with a s13 silvia and another with a s15 Silvia and they have legally registered in California Blue tagged and everything

http://i.imgur.com/uhJfl.jpg

[codyace]

oh, and the seats suck too...


i know, i have a pair for sale

Naaaaaaah. You find me a car that quick and that comfy for that price and I'll be sold ;) I'm a vette guy, but be damned they are not nearly as comfy. It's like I can put a snapple in the middle and never even upset it!


I wish I cound find the pic of 4 of us in the GTR at NJMP LOL We were having a full blown conversation in that big pig and never realized we were still getting point bys hahahaha.

[DrftKingIII]

Naaaaaaah. You find me a car that quick and that comfy for that price and I'll be sold ;)

E39 M5 with a blower? :keke:

[TougeKid1]

i know this is kinda off topic but has anyone heard or done deals with japan partner ltd i've been looking at there s15's and there pretty decent price for the car+documents+ship .they also ship to Cali port long beach and they offer dismantling services so u can put it back together ur self. my question is do u think it can be registered as a kit car if u put it together ur self?

they also have other cars and skylines

this is what i'm looking into s15 spec S for 5k flat includes car,documents,shipping

http://www.japan-partner.com/Picture/Nissan/Silvia/17744/1/picture.htmlhttp://www.japan-partner.com/images/c62c1c8670/--b74e9ef58c.jpg


http://www.japan-partner.com/company-profile.php
http://www.japan-partner.com/new_images/pic_2.jpg


http://www.japan-partner.com/Picture/Nissan/SKYLINE+COUPE/17377/1/picture.html

[drift freaq]

i know this is kinda off topic but has anyone heard or done deals with japan partner ltd i've been looking at there s15's and there pretty decent price for the car+documents+ship .they also ship to Cali port long beach and they offer dismantling services so u can put it back together ur self. my question is do u think it can be registered as a kit car if u put it together ur self?

they also have other cars and skylines

this is what i'm looking into s15 spec S for 5k flat includes car,documents,shipping


In a nutshell no! You cannot register these cars as kit cars that is what kaizo( or however it was spelled) was doing down in Orange county and the Goverment started confiscating peoples cars after raiding them.

Unless you are going to use the car strictly for off road i.e. track only forget it.

[down_south240]

And if it were that cheap and easy, don't you think more people would be going that route? If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[TougeKid1]

And if it were that cheap and easy, don't you think more people would be going that route? If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

go to the website and see for ur self... free membership

[down_south240]

go to the website and see for ur self... free membership

I don't have to go look at the website to tell you that if they are selling an S15 for 5k shipped that something isn't right with the picture. I sure you can find a website selling pink unicorns, but that doesn't mean that they are actually going to show up at your door.

[blingbling]

I wish it was my job to go take people's Skylines, sounds pretty cool to me. But really, shut the fuck up unless you own a Skyline, I've literally heard enough about the god damn car because its really not that sick. Sure its a treat to see them eventually but do I have to molest the owner with questions about it because Im such a fanboy? Hell no. Shit, pretty much the only reason people buy them is for the attention they get from all the SNIP that act like their lives are going to be different if the few people that own these illegal Skylines can't drive them anymore...

[TougeKid1]

I don't have to go look at the website to tell you that if they are selling an S15 for 5k shipped that something isn't right with the picture. I sure you can find a website selling pink unicorns, but that doesn't mean that they are actually going to show up at your door.


i already found some one that did it already

from 240sxxs

Quote: i have deal (http://zilvia.net/f/#) with them and i have bought the car from them before...my s15 for like 5k ...they can import the car for you but the conversiona nd DOT approve ..you on your own...but if u want to get the car completely as kit car which is ( legal ) depend on where you live...they will dismantle the car completely including all parts, tranny, motors, and acceseries , and they will dismantles the car into completely bare metal and only as rolling shell...what they will do is...the shell in one 30-or 40 feet container and all the parts in the sames container...and you will register the car with DMV as KIT CAR ..and just put the parts back your self...that how i did it...must pass 32 way inspection...and need to pass emission..and dot approve... paint in the ass but it well worth it..



there my question awnsered and proof

[drift freaq]

i already found some one that did it already

from 240sxxs

Quote: i have deal (http://zilvia.net/f/#) with them and i have bought the car from them before...my s15 for like 5k ...they can import the car for you but the conversiona nd DOT approve ..you on your own...but if u want to get the car completely as kit car which is ( legal ) depend on where you live...they will dismantle the car completely including all parts, tranny, motors, and acceseries , and they will dismantles the car into completely bare metal and only as rolling shell...what they will do is...the shell in one 30-or 40 feet container and all the parts in the sames container...and you will register the car with DMV as KIT CAR ..and just put the parts back your self...that how i did it...must pass 32 way inspection...and need to pass emission..and dot approve... paint in the ass but it well worth it..



there my question awnsered and proof

Like I said earlier you can no longer do this. Especially in California. The FEDS are cracking down on this.
I think you just don't want to hear it, unless the answer fits what you want.

[Toi]

You guys and your Skylines are a terrorist threat to Uncle Sam and as such they are coming for you..........

[down_south240]

Like I said earlier you can no longer do this. Especially in California. The FEDS are cracking down on this.
I think you just don't want to hear it, unless the answer fits what you want.

I think this is what's going on.

So TougeKid1, sure it sounds like a great deal. You should go ahead and go through with it and let everyone know how it turns out in the end. Since you already have proof that it's a legit deal. :ugh:

[Toi]

LOL people keep trying to work around it and when the 25 year mark hits they will magically have it so the car is permabanned

[2000gtx]

1st off nissan sport magazine thats a joke...our goverment wasting time tracking down skylines..instead of deadbeat dads ,illegal aliens ,drug dealers...child molestors...fixing the economy.it is a peice of metal and plastic shaped in a pleasing way thats all...how is it a car is so dangerous..i understand the feds and epa dont want it here but i dont understand the pressure of it ...stup[id too me...if someone will insure it and you can get it to meet current smog standards than let them in, the gov would probly make money on that deal...i havfe seen some kit cars and 3 wheeled motorcycles how is that any safer...obama needs to wake up and get this gov doing things more important than worrying about some cars...on the track cars comment ...no they cant be imported as a track car i had a gts type m that got took...tried that ploy the task force still took the skyline....

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

They can't be legally sold. Usually you get an opportunity to export it. But, it can't stay in the US legally. Crushing is the most efficient and cost effective.

Do you want them to give the drug dealers back their drugs after they have been seized?

Giving a drug back and giving a car back is different

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

who cares about this shit, its ancient history



for one, these cars can always be imported as track only cars... right? RIGHT. because they dont need to meet shits worth of standards, OBD-2? more like OBD-0... crash bars, etc etc.. its all pointless if its for track, which is what it should be.


people go through all this trouble to have a fucking ancient dated ass old car. even the headlights on that r33 make me puke, the shitty RHD halogen ones... which i might add, are completely unsafe and unfit for street use much like the s13 silvia lights all you fucktards are running. if you want to dance, you gotta pay the piper. go through all the fucking hoops to make these cars safe to use on the street. unless you're delivering mail, theres no point to having a RHD car in a country where LHD are the standard. theres no cool factor about it, there have been countless tests showing that there are safety risks involved with driving on the right hand side in this country.


these cars are not rare and not special, they're as universal as the fucking corvette in the States. leave it to the playstation generation to get all emo over a shitty old sportscar. want a gtr? buy a new one. they suck anyway.

These cars are rare over here, what world do u live in? Why are people so nuts over a shitty old 240sx with a piece of shit ka engine? Cause they like it.

[2000gtx]

the skyline is not a drug ......it is a peice of metal and plastic...we live in america we should be allowed to drive wtf we want ....so a f150 is more safe to drive? its meets emmision regulations thats all....our gov is a bunch of ass^&%$ we pay taxes ....let us do what we want...i wish somebody that is taking these cars away can explain in detail why it is so dangerous for us to have......but yet you can legally get pot now in ca?

[theboy]

i already found some one that did it already

from 240sxxs

Quote: i have deal (http://zilvia.net/f/#) with them and i have bought the car from them before...my s15 for like 5k ...they can import the car for you but the conversiona nd DOT approve ..you on your own...but if u want to get the car completely as kit car which is ( legal ) depend on where you live...they will dismantle the car completely including all parts, tranny, motors, and acceseries , and they will dismantles the car into completely bare metal and only as rolling shell...what they will do is...the shell in one 30-or 40 feet container and all the parts in the sames container...and you will register the car with DMV as KIT CAR ..and just put the parts back your self...that how i did it...must pass 32 way inspection...and need to pass emission..and dot approve... paint in the ass but it well worth it..



there my question awnsered and proof


wow and you trust someone that spells at a 3rd grade level. If you could explain what he said, that would be great. Sounds like a total scam and an easy way to lose $5000. But its not my money. Hey can i borrow $5000 since your ready to throw it away anyways?


"paint in the ass but it well worth it.." Sounds horrible and what kinda of freak is taking paint in their ass?

[S14DB]

Giving a drug back and giving a car back is different

No it's not, both are illegal.

[LloydXmas]

US Government Turns Up Heat on Skyline Owners (http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/breaking-news-us-government-turns-up-heat-on-skyline-owners.html)

Take a minute to read, its not that owners are whining but they want a change, not for us for everyone. If everyone came together as a community it can change. There is a donation deal going on for lawyer fees to change such laws or atleast put them in more black and white writing.

[Ralliart4]

I am not sure why there is such a strong focus on just the Skyline brand... maybe because of the popularity or the now dead F&F hype!!! Basically people dont have any money in their pockets so the ability to even get these cars and try to get them passed is ineffective in itself.

I have seen several other 'KIT' cars that are in california but there is no pressure to chase these makers down and crush their cars. Maybe because the nameplate says "FORD" or several other kits that carry american engines. I am have never understood why the standard is so different.

You

[S14DB]

I am not sure why there is such a strong focus on just the Skyline brand... maybe because of the popularity or the now dead F&F hype!!! Basically people dont have any money in their pockets so the ability to even get these cars and try to get them passed is ineffective in itself.

I have seen several other 'KIT' cars that are in california but there is no pressure to chase these makers down and crush their cars. Maybe because the nameplate says "FORD" or several other kits that carry american engines. I am have never understood why the standard is so different.

You

It's because it's a real KIT. If the majority of the parts are from one (production)car it's not a kit.

[LloydXmas]

Like I said if everyone came together and simply put in 10 bucks or more monthly (some have more spare change then others) then we could get things in motion. I know a lot about the situation and how grey the laws are. If you have a grey skyline without a drivetrain and its beside it in the garage its legal but if all together then its not. Motorex did it souly on their own. Too bad they chose to make our situation worse by fucking the government to begin with but none the less its not impossible but it takes funding.

Nissan Skyline Owners U.S.A. - Forum - PayPal Donate (http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/misc.php?do=donate)

[ixfxi]

these cars are not rare and not special (overseas), they're as universal as the fucking corvette in the States.

These cars are rare over here, what world do u live in? Why are people so nuts over a shitty old 240sx with a piece of shit ka engine? Cause they like it.

here, i added something to my first post since it wasnt clear for you. i thought it would be obvious that most people would understand that i was not referring to the States as clearly everyone already knows that the car was not sold here. i can assure you however, that there is no shortage of skylines in other parts of the world.


i have a deal with them and i have bought the car from them before...my s15 for like 5k ...they can import the car for you but the conversiona nd DOT approve ..you on your own...but if u want to get the car completely as kit car which is ( legal ) depend on where you live...they will dismantle the car completely including all parts, tranny, motors, and acceseries , and they will dismantles the car into completely bare metal and only as rolling shell...what they will do is...the shell in one 30-or 40 feet container and all the parts in the sames container...and you will register the car with DMV as KIT CAR ..and just put the parts back your self...that how i did it...must pass 32 way inspection...and need to pass emission..and dot approve... paint in the ass but it well worth it..

i love how people actually think that taking a car apart and putting it back together again, makes it a kit car. kaizo got their plug pulled for this very same reason, they lied to the government and had their customers line up at dmv to register. its a fact that only XXX amount of people are able to acquire kit car registration annually, first come first serve.

in the end, as dave already pointed out, you still end up with something that is borderline legal but really illegal - and thats why kaizo, their customers and all the cars got their plugs pulled. its like dave chappelle said, you dont fuck with the government maing.


Take a minute to read, its not that owners are whining but they want a change, not for us for everyone. If everyone came together as a community it can change. There is a donation deal going on for lawyer fees to change such laws or atleast put them in more black and white writing.

save the obama "change" bullshit, if you have faith that chipping in will make a difference, then fine thats on you. i hate "chip in donation positivity bullshit." chip in on cancer, chip in on homelessness... fuck that. i chip in on things that make a difference and where i can see what happens with the money. with all this chipping in, theres been NO difference.. theres still cancer, theres still millions of homeless people, and obama hasnt stopped the war overseas so fuckit, nothings changed.

[LloydXmas]

here, i added something to my first post since it wasnt clear for you. i thought it would be obvious that most people would understand that i was not referring to the States as clearly everyone already knows that the car was not sold here. i can assure you however, that there is no shortage of skylines in other parts of the world.




i love how people actually think that taking a car apart and putting it back together again, makes it a kit car. kaizo got their plug pulled for this very same reason, they lied to the government and had their customers line up at dmv to register. its a fact that only XXX amount of people are able to acquire kit car registration annually, first come first serve.

in the end, as dave already pointed out, you still end up with something that is borderline legal but really illegal - and thats why kaizo, their customers and all the cars got their plugs pulled. its like dave chappelle said, you dont fuck with the government maing.




save the obama "change" bullshit, if you have faith that chipping in will make a difference, then fine thats on you. i hate "chip in donation positivity bullshit." chip in on cancer, chip in on homelessness... fuck that. i chip in on things that make a difference and where i can see what happens with the money. with all this chipping in, theres been NO difference.. theres still cancer, theres still millions of homeless people, and obama hasnt stopped the war overseas so fuckit, nothings changed.


wow you are a real positive person, I am sure you have a bright future in life...Hating it...

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

No it's not, both are illegal.

one Is a more serious offense than the other I can bet my life on that. You wont get In the same trouble for $30000 car as you would $30000 worth of coke or crack. What your comparing Isn't the same. Your more thank likely to get back your 30k over your 30k worth of crack.

One kills you and affects others and kids. While the other being the car doesn't affect shit. You can't compare a drug to a car

sorry Mr. mod you loose this battle

[ixfxi]

one Is a more serious offense than the other I can bet my life on that. You wont get In the same trouble for $30000 car as you would $30000 worth of coke or crack. What your comparing Isn't the same. Your more thank likely to get back your 30k over your 30k worth of crack.

One kills you and affects others and kids. While the other being the car doesn't affect shit. You can't compare a drug to a car

sorry Mr. mod you loose this battle

thats stupid.. doesnt make sense. we have rules and regulations in this country for a reason, so that people follow them. cars have to meet certain standards, from lighting to crash and safety standards. you can look at the most basic, which is the headlights that shine on the wrong side of the road. or, you can look at the next which is the driver sitting on the wrong side of the road. both of these impact the ability to safely operate the vehicle. SAFELY operate the vehicle.

there have been studies with research that show factual information regarding the difficulties in operating a RHD vehicle on LHD roads, especially in canada where skylines were pretty commonly imported and people were smashing them up. i dont even see what the controversy is about, its not a big deal. you make it seem like youre winning an award with this massive debate. we're talking about a car that plain and simple, wasnt sold here and shouldnt be used here WITHOUT proper modifications to make it conform to our rules. i mean maybe, and MAYBE if someone sold DOT compliant headlights, doors with crash bars, a LHD firewall + dashboard and all the bits and trimmings, and new front/rear bumpers, then maybe there would be some hope. but sorry, most people are too fucking stupid to do this, and this is why this shit fails and will never turn into reality.


wow you are a real positive person, I am sure you have a bright future in life...Hating it...

no, i just work in the auto industry and probably have decades more experience than you in day-to-day fabrication. so, i understand that most of you guys are smoking pipe dreams wishing and praying that this old car could somehow become legal if some lawyer bent the rules.

jeez.. wake the fuck up. "chip in guys, we can do it" yeah right. find me a lawyer who works for $10/hr

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

thats stupid.. doesnt make sense. we have rules and regulations in this country for a reason, so that people follow them. cars have to meet certain standards, from lighting to crash and safety standards. you can look at the most basic, which is the headlights that shine on the wrong side of the road. or, you can look at the next which is the driver sitting on the wrong side of the road. both of these impact the ability to safely operate the vehicle. SAFELY operate the vehicle.

there have been studies with research that show factual information regarding the difficulties in operating a RHD vehicle on LHD roads, especially in canada where skylines were pretty commonly imported and people were smashing them up. i dont even see what the controversy is about, its not a big deal. you make it seem like youre winning an award with this massive debate. we're talking about a car that plain and simple, wasnt sold here and shouldnt be used here WITHOUT proper modifications to make it conform to our rules. i mean maybe, and MAYBE if someone sold DOT compliant headlights, doors with crash bars, a LHD firewall + dashboard and all the bits and trimmings, and new front/rear bumpers, then maybe there would be some hope. but sorry, most people are too fucking stupid to do this, and this is why this shit fails and will never turn into reality.




I'll I was saying Is that you can't compare a car to drugs.
People would much rather find you with a car that hasn't passed tests as oppose to crack or coke or heroin.

I'm sure people can get s15s to pass crash tests and all that jazz.

[Tantwoforty]

buy a r35 or shut the fuck up.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

buy a r35 or shut the fuck up.

Fuck R35.......................

[Pure_JDM]

"Oh, WAAAAA, I did something illegal and don't want to suffer the consequences."

[Phlip]

This is the INTERNETS!!!
It is my RIGHT to argue my as-assumed right to continue doing whatever established item I was doing, as long as I can present a weak (or non-existent) argument as to why it was not "that bad" in the first place.
No, nevermind the law established when I (no, not me, I will be 32 in 110 days) was not yet old enough to drive, I can make an as-supported-by-like-minded-juveniles theory as to why I haven't done anything THAT bad!
If you can't agree with that, then you are a HATER.

[LloydXmas]

thats stupid.. doesnt make sense. we have rules and regulations in this country for a reason, so that people follow them. cars have to meet certain standards, from lighting to crash and safety standards. you can look at the most basic, which is the headlights that shine on the wrong side of the road. or, you can look at the next which is the driver sitting on the wrong side of the road. both of these impact the ability to safely operate the vehicle. SAFELY operate the vehicle.

there have been studies with research that show factual information regarding the difficulties in operating a RHD vehicle on LHD roads, especially in canada where skylines were pretty commonly imported and people were smashing them up. i dont even see what the controversy is about, its not a big deal. you make it seem like youre winning an award with this massive debate. we're talking about a car that plain and simple, wasnt sold here and shouldnt be used here WITHOUT proper modifications to make it conform to our rules. i mean maybe, and MAYBE if someone sold DOT compliant headlights, doors with crash bars, a LHD firewall + dashboard and all the bits and trimmings, and new front/rear bumpers, then maybe there would be some hope. but sorry, most people are too fucking stupid to do this, and this is why this shit fails and will never turn into reality.




no, i just work in the auto industry and probably have decades more experience than you in day-to-day fabrication. so, i understand that most of you guys are smoking pipe dreams wishing and praying that this old car could somehow become legal if some lawyer bent the rules.

jeez.. wake the fuck up. "chip in guys, we can do it" yeah right. find me a lawyer who works for $10/hr

trust me I have the same fabrication skills buddy seeing I do auto body and paint professionally and have for a while now and know that there is infact hardly if at all any difference between a r32 and a s13.

[ixfxi]

I'll I was saying Is that you can't compare a car to drugs.
People would much rather find you with a car that hasn't passed tests as oppose to crack or coke or heroin.

how are drugs any different? like anything in this country, its a money maker. look at alcohol, its no different. alcohol was illegal at some point in time, laws change.. just like the bill they tried to pass for marijuana here in CA. what IS illegal can at some point be what WAS illegal. it ends up being another substance that gets heavily taxed and should you be cought under the influence, you end up paying lawyers, the state and the insurance - which is a huge money making racket when you think about it.

im not going to take sides and say im for or against, i really dont care. but i can tell you that weed smokers never did anything bad to me. look at our celebrities, chappelle and snoop smoke weed - i have no doubt paris did coke. and yet nothing really happens to these people because its all behind closed doors. basically, as long as you keep that illegal taboo shit at home - you're OK.


I'm sure people can get s15s to pass crash tests and all that jazz.

trust me I have the same fabrication skills buddy seeing I do auto body and paint professionally and have for a while now and know that there is infact hardly if at all any difference between a r32 and a s13.

anyone including myself who has a jspec bumper support can tell you for a fact that they are different, and that the jspec bumper support is flimsy as all hell. i dont even know what you've been smoking to think that there is hardly a difference between the r32 and s13.

correction -- you've gotta be an idiot to think that there's hardly a difference between the r32 and s13. fuckin'a, body shop guys can be so stupid. here is a short list for you:

- headlights are RHD instead of LHD
- dinky bumper supports
- doors lack beam supports
- no front and rear marker lights
- RHD dashboard & seating configuration instead of LHD
- kmh instead of mph
- possible that the chassis is missing rear lower frame rail like the 180sx/silvias

again, thats just the short list. some of these are simple problems to fix, others are a serious pain in the ass.. especially when you need to create DOT compliant lights that are modular for that chassis. the dash and interior is also a pain to solve.

anyway, none of this is impossible - it all takes time and money, and a market willing to pay for it. the problem is, most people are stupid and broke and sit there fantasizing about "skyline." funny, the people that arent fantasizing probably already own r35s. its like a computer, who the hell wants to run windows98 when you can run the latest and greatest. im not into new stuff, but most people are. especially when you're talking about computer-cars like the gtr.

[daryl337]

i have no doubt paris did coke. and yet nothing really happens to these people because its all behind closed doors. basically, as long as you keep that illegal taboo shit at home - you're OK.



Great! Instead of having just a rich whore ruining our children, we get to have a rich coke whore instead!


:D

[derux]

trust me I have the same fabrication skills buddy seeing I do auto body and paint professionally and have for a while now and know that there is infact hardly if at all any difference between a r32 and a s13.

Ya my dad has an awesome set of tools.

[LloydXmas]

how are drugs any different? like anything in this country, its a money maker. look at alcohol, its no different. alcohol was illegal at some point in time, laws change.. just like the bill they tried to pass for marijuana here in CA. what IS illegal can at some point be what WAS illegal. it ends up being another substance that gets heavily taxed and should you be cought under the influence, you end up paying lawyers, the state and the insurance - which is a huge money making racket when you think about it.

im not going to take sides and say im for or against, i really dont care. but i can tell you that weed smokers never did anything bad to me. look at our celebrities, chappelle and snoop smoke weed - i have no doubt paris did coke. and yet nothing really happens to these people because its all behind closed doors. basically, as long as you keep that illegal taboo shit at home - you're OK.






anyone including myself who has a jspec bumper support can tell you for a fact that they are different, and that the jspec bumper support is flimsy as all hell. i dont even know what you've been smoking to think that there is hardly a difference between the r32 and s13.

correction -- you've gotta be an idiot to think that there's hardly a difference between the r32 and s13. fuckin'a, body shop guys can be so stupid. here is a short list for you:

- headlights are RHD instead of LHD
- dinky bumper supports
- doors lack beam supports
- no front and rear marker lights
- RHD dashboard & seating configuration instead of LHD
- kmh instead of mph
- possible that the chassis is missing rear lower frame rail like the 180sx/silvias

again, thats just the short list. some of these are simple problems to fix, others are a serious pain in the ass.. especially when you need to create DOT compliant lights that are modular for that chassis. the dash and interior is also a pain to solve.

anyway, none of this is impossible - it all takes time and money, and a market willing to pay for it. the problem is, most people are stupid and broke and sit there fantasizing about "skyline." funny, the people that arent fantasizing probably already own r35s. its like a computer, who the hell wants to run windows98 when you can run the latest and greatest. im not into new stuff, but most people are. especially when you're talking about computer-cars like the gtr.

lets pick this apart, even though I meant the chassis not anything else. Besides bumper reinforcements they arent I have been through them both with experience multiple times. I did all the work to a beater s13 then turned into my signature along with others. I do this professionally and dont "use my dads tool" b/c he never knew one thing about a car nor cared.

1. Honda Accord lights are very similar and DOT(look at Canada imported r32's)
2.Bumper supports though dinky are very easily swapped
3.Beam supports? Have you seen inside of a r32 door or u spouting off internet mechanic talk? They are actually beefier just not a bar instead a square, even that is relatively easy to weld in
4.RHD is not illegal
5.kmh/mph can be converted on a jdm gauge cluster with simple parts form radio shack
6.Lower frame rail what? Obviously you nothing about a unibody construction.

I will agree it is a money thing though. I am not a fantasizer of cars, they are just like anything else,sheet metal welded together at the end of the day its nothing more, you can build a janky car with no regulation but they say anything imported is dangerous. Pretty much sums up your money arguement.

[ixfxi]

http://www.ipixel.com.au/sillbeer/images/chassis/uras-s13-chassisrail.jpg

6.Lower frame rail what? Obviously you nothing about a unibody construction.

^ Do you know what the above item is? Do you know what a frame rail is?

Fuck, you must be Canadian. The only guys stupid enough to talk about installing Accord headlights in a GTST wanna-be GTR have been on the GTR Canada forums. I cant imagine anyone wanting Accord headlights on their Skyline, thats just wrong in every fucking way.

Have you ever read a book? How about Driving Ambition, the book about the McLaren F1? Do you know why they chose center seating? Part of the reason was that they didnt have to have different parts for LHD and RHD vehicles, it would be standardized. Dashboard, everything.. all the same. Cut costs and standardization.

I've cut an entire chassis into pieces, so dont tell me about whether or not I know about unibody construction. I dont claim to be an expert, but I would never say something stupid like "there is infact hardly if at all any difference between a r32 and a s13. " Your words, not mine.

Canadians, honestly. Its a good thing you have knowledgeable S13 owners like Don @ PDM to make your people look good.

[Ralliart4]

It's because it's a real KIT. If the majority of the parts are from one (production)car it's not a kit.

So is that why there are so many 'collected' Escort RS's and Cossie's that ex-pats have over there in cali?

[daryl337]

Collector vehicles are possible to register dependent upon local regulations.

IIRC in WA state you could register a vehicle as a collector's car if it met certain requirements, and could bypass many registration requirements held standard to normal cars if the vehicle is driven less than a certain amount of miles a year. Something like 3K miles a year. I'd of course need to check with my father, but I believe that is how we got my brother's supercharged big block Nova registered and drivable on the street.



Sometimes, you will find small loopholes in the system... but you need to be careful about whether you view the loophole as "solid" enough to commit forking out a ton of cash on.

Also, loopholes like this have a tendancy to get closed fairly quickly, as no "rule maker" likes to see people who have "cheated" the rules.

[S14DB]

So is that why there are so many 'collected' Escort RS's and Cossie's that ex-pats have over there in cali?

Because they are legal to import. Import Eligibility Number: VCP9 Docket Number: 95-25

[LloydXmas]

I am not canadian nor did I install any accord headlights onto a car, thats the DOT laws in Canada though. I have never had a gtst,or gts25t either I was simply proving a point. I know what a frame rail is and the bottom of both cars are very similar. If not then why does a s13 and r32 rear subframe share everything? You can literally swap them, also the front crossmember to what car is needed for a rb swap in a s13? DING DING DING a R32 crossmember! Wow!

Besides wheel wells and shock mounting points in the front there is no significant difference, and the shock mounting points of a r32 gtr are the same as a z32. Shocks in the rear as well.

[ixfxi]

I am not canadian nor did I install any accord headlights onto a car, thats the DOT laws in Canada though. I have never had a gtst,or gts25t either I was simply proving a point. I know what a frame rail is and the bottom of both cars are very similar. If not then why does a s13 and r32 rear subframe share everything? You can literally swap them, also the front crossmember to what car is needed for a rb swap in a s13? DING DING DING a R32 crossmember! Wow!

Besides wheel wells and shock mounting points in the front there is no significant difference, and the shock mounting points of a r32 gtr are the same as a z32. Shocks in the rear as well.

congratulations captain obvious, its called cost-cutting solutions across different platforms. just because a car can share a caliper or a cross member does not mean its fucking identical. similar? sure. identical? NO. its like saying you look similar to your brother. are you your brother, lloyd? are you identical twins?

think about it, lots of parts can interchange or be MADE to interchange but out the box, its not always the case.

anyway, we're rambling about a completely dead topic. if you think putting accord headlights onto your skyline is a realistic solution, then thats on you. open business and see if people will share your fine appreciation for putting shitty accord headlights on a classy car like the skyline.

i guess the difference between people like me and people like you is that you're easy to please. to you, parts are all the same, if they kinda line-up then its all gravy. i have really high standards, i dont fuck around. if something doesnt fit, i dont believe in grabbing a mallet and attempting to make it fit and then reaching for bondo & filler when shit doesnt line up.

this topic is DEAD

[LloydXmas]

lol apparently you dont know my quality of work.

[Ralliart4]

Because they are legal to import. Import Eligibility Number: VCP9 Docket Number: 95-25

Very interesting... i might have to get one:squintd:

[maxtrbo93]

who cares, really. its a skyline. Big woop. I see 5 a day.

^ this (to an extent)

R34's and S15's are a rare breed and I would be hurt to see them get seized, but you can pick up a damn skyline for 3000$ or sometimes less here in Canada, they just arnt that special. $6500 for a GTR? Thats what a clean title kouki costs in the states, not that crazy. Just wait, 25 years will roll by and you guys will get them and realize how garbage they really are.

Sad to see this happening tho, regardless of car that's someones hard earned money. Fucking feds.

.02

[2000gtx]

but yet you can go build a ratrod :wtf:

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Shake your dicks. This pissing contest is over

[daryl337]

Hey, I bet I can hit that fence post from here....

[maxtrbo93]

:stupid:
YOU FAILLLL!!!!
GET OFF THIS THREAD!
2JZCRAPPP isnt shit. THEY CALL THE SKYLINE GODZILLA FOR A REASON. The same reason why Supra didnt get it was because the Skyline outperformed it in everyyyy way. Heavy? the Supra weights the same. Underpowered? Yea Nissan underpowered it BUT only on paper because of the 1990's Gentlement aggrement not to exceed 280hp. But Skyline produce 300-320hp STOCK.

I hate it when people shit outta there mouths onto a forum, your just a fanboy who thinks skylines are cool cuz you got an engine from one.

Get your facts straight please, the cabalities of a 2JZ over an RB26 is insane.

V160 can hold like 800+hp, my buddies R32 GTR has popped 3 trannys and 2 transfer cases in 2 summers at 550hp.

There are 2JZ's running stock bottom end's out there pushing over 1000hp, no RB engine could ever dream of going past 600-700 without some MAJOR bottom end work.

I like both cars, but the facts are clear

[ixfxi]

not that this thread should be about rb26dett vs 2jz-gte

but

as much of a nissan fan i may be, 2jz-gte is a better motor.

[murderrsirenss]

Its not just in cali. Theres a dude that got his taken in NC too.

[jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj]

I hate it when people shit outta there mouths onto a forum.

Get your facts straight please, the cabalities of a 2JZ over an RB26 is insane.

There are 2JZ's running stock bottom end's out there pushing over 1000hp/

I like both cars, but the facts are clear

not to get in the middle of all your guys pissing battles but, could you please show me where to find some specs on a 1000hp stock bottom end 2j?

just wondering cuz i have a few friends working on some and thought that you couldnt go over 550 or so without changing the headgasket and doing some bottomend upgrades.

thanks for any help.

[Chrischeezer]

2005 called... they want their jz vs. rb thread back

[driftertim]

We have R34s and S15s in Canada plated as R32 or even R33, and S15s plated as S13s or S14s. This is just a really shitty deal for people in Cali. Instead of crushing them, they should part them out on Zilvia and give the money back to the people LOL. The Feds are ridiculous for even intervening in such a way. Quebec is the only Province out of the ten Canadian provinces to BAN JDM outright as of last year. But as long as the car is 25 years old, its welcome to be imported. That leaves us with some Land Cruisers, AE86s, and many more of your faves to be imported Legally. Personally I couldnt care for the Illegal JDMs but it is THE MAN showing his power to twist the arms of the non-conformists.

[ixfxi]

2005 called... they want their jz vs. rb thread back

wasnt that on freshalloy?


does that site even exist anymore? almost as ancient as automotive forums.. i mean gawd, who goes on there?!

[Chrischeezer]

^ i dunno, probably
theres always someone out there...ya know
the fact is both motors suck.

[driftertim]

Buddy, Canadians in general or just the one dude who wants Honda headlights on his R32... If you are going to generalize a whole population based on some dudes taste and preference, dont do it here. Many of us Canadians including myself dont appreciate it. Many Americans do more rice out there than its conceivable by us Canooks. I admit to doing a bit of rice myself when I decided to put a S15 front on my coupe. It only stayed on my car for about 48 hours before I went to one of our many local JDM stored in search of a clean S13 Silvia front end nose cut, I know S15 fronts dont look good on a Coupe unless its got a wide body but they belong on S15s, some S14s and some hatch back S13s. To me the S13 Coupe looks riced out with a S15 front, I realized that after spending a lot of money to convert it to S15 only to rip it off and slap the JDM front end meant for that car. Long story short taste and preference should be respected whether American, Indian, Japanese, Canadian or whatever part of the world you may be from. Ancestrally speaking twenty generations back you were not even American, you were probably from some part of Europe. So get off of your high horse because, America didn't exist as we know it and the Indigenous people who suffered the greatest were killed of by surprise Influenza and muskets, raped sacked and pillaged for conquest and land. If anything the governments of Canada and US should be ruled by the Original inhabitants of this land which I believe could care less about R34s being illegally imported. On a final note, respect yourself!!! :D. http://www.ipixel.com.au/sillbeer/images/chassis/uras-s13-chassisrail.jpg



^ Do you know what the above item is? Do you know what a frame rail is?

Fuck, you must be Canadian. The only guys stupid enough to talk about installing Accord headlights in a GTST wanna-be GTR have been on the GTR Canada forums. I cant imagine anyone wanting Accord headlights on their Skyline, thats just wrong in every fucking way.

Have you ever read a book? How about Driving Ambition, the book about the McLaren F1? Do you know why they chose center seating? Part of the reason was that they didnt have to have different parts for LHD and RHD vehicles, it would be standardized. Dashboard, everything.. all the same. Cut costs and standardization.

I've cut an entire chassis into pieces, so dont tell me about whether or not I know about unibody construction. I dont claim to be an expert, but I would never say something stupid like "there is infact hardly if at all any difference between a r32 and a s13. " Your words, not mine.

Canadians, honestly. Its a good thing you have knowledgeable S13 owners like Don @ PDM to make your people look good.

[ixfxi]

Buddy, Canadians in general or just the one dude who wants Honda headlights on his R32... If you are going to generalize a whole population based on some dudes taste and preference, dont do it here. Many of us Canadians including myself dont appreciate it. Many Americans do more rice out there than its conceivable by us Canooks. I admit to doing a bit of rice myself when I decided to put a S15 front on my coupe. It only stayed on my car for about 48 hours before I went to one of our many local JDM stored in search of a clean S13 Silvia front end nose cut, I know S15 fronts dont look good on a Coupe unless its got a wide body but they belong on S15s, some S14s and some hatch back S13s. To me the S13 Coupe looks riced out with a S15 front, I realized that after spending a lot of money to convert it to S15 only to rip it off and slap the JDM front end meant for that car. Long story short taste and preference should be respected whether American, Indian, Japanese, Canadian or whatever part of the world you may be from. Ancestrally speaking twenty generations back you were not even American, you were probably from some part of Europe. So get off of your high horse because, America didn't exist as we know it and the Indigenous people who suffered the greatest were killed of by surprise Influenza and muskets, raped sacked and pillaged for conquest and land. If anything the governments of Canada and US should be ruled by the Original inhabitants of this land which I believe could care less about R34s being illegally imported. On a final note, respect yourself!!! :D.

i love canadians

[illvialuver]

If anyone is going to be so ignorant or racist to think that you can lump all of any group of people into one basket on anything, you are full of shit and are just a shitty insecure person.

I am going to gamble that anyone who would talk shit on Canada or it's people , either A don't know any , or B have never been there.

So you should just shut up.

Back on topic, yeah it sucks that people are getting their cars jacked by the feds, but it is just easier to just wait till we can have the cars here legally. Their are plenty of other cars here in the states that are cool enough as it is.
Bitching about the feds wont do any good.

[JeKyL]

Why is everyone blaming cali law on this, this is the dam bull shit feds! Some prick ausa and special agents aka(DOUCHEBAGS) who are sucking their superiors d***s trying to get that promotion and good rep so they go after the innocent honest hard working people who don't want to abide to some fascist law that harms nobodys well being in order to hide the fact that they can't catch the real criminals smuggling drugs, weapons, humans, and etc, I've served my country however do not support the bs crap law enforcement and judicial system which behaves like hitlers ss

[daryl337]

... *brain asplodes*

[Toi]

^^ Agree, and just to point out the obvious the more people try to import them before they are 25 years old the closer to an out right ban they are getting. Just freaking wait!!!

[ROUGE180]

In 2014 we can all import R32's lol.. I'm already saving my money.

[Toi]

I wish I was that lucky, I am a Subaru fanatic at heart and the 22B meets the limited production quota for being importable but its still not allowed. I never thought the Skyline GT-R was all that (Hako the exception) and after modding a 94 WRX and spanking modded GT-R ass all day long I realized unless I am running on the Highway, the GT-R is just another car.

[kenS14]

reasons why people should invest into a subaru WRX or STI or RS(swapped)...
you still get to have AWD and be able to boost...
these laws are b/s tho...
can't wait to move out of socal...emissions laws are lame.

In 2014 we can all import R32's lol.. I'm already saving my money.

I guess would too since its a R32(only if i deploy before that)...

[Rafa-Z]

use mexican plates I know a couple of people with skylines that can drive them on the road. Insurance costs about 150 a year. I got mexican plates and got pulled over a month ago for a stop sign and just got the ticket no questions asked. I got mexican plates because of a ref ticket I got with my sr and it was dismissed after importing it.

[SLiDe_WaYz]

In 2014 we can all import R32's lol.. I'm already saving my money.

By that time, Skylines are going to be everywhere since EVERYONE will be importing them. I still think even though it will be "legal" to import them that year, our awesome goverment still wont allow it to be imported "legally". I personally dont really see a difference in any car over seas and here. Some of the chassis in the states are made over there. Wouldnt that almost be the exact same as a USDM/JAP made car ? Only exception and difference I see is the glass, and the airbags, IMO i dont really see ANY other difference between the two.

By the time you can import the car so many people will be doing it the car wont be worth near as much as they are now since they will be everywhere. Like in Canada you can get one for 5-8K. In the states the same car will sell for double if not triple if its legal in the states.

[Toi]

Glass, airbags, emissions, bumpers, no side impact doors......Not crash tested and not held up to American safety standards.....and probably a big fat dose of the Big 3 fighting it....

[Presha]

That is soo shit! All that effort to sieze cars when they could be hunting down real crims

[codyace]

Glass, airbags, emissions, bumpers, no side impact doors......Not crash tested and not held up to American safety standards.....and probably a big fat dose of the Big 3 fighting it....

I *really* doubt The big 3 even remotely cares about importing 10-20 year year old Nissans.

[drift freaq]

I *really* doubt The big 3 even remotely cares about importing 10-20 year year old Nissans.

Seriously, protectionism for foreign car imports in the U.S. LOL

[NINE]

Seriously, protectionism for foreign car imports in the U.S. LOL

Correct it was Mercedes that made Grey market cars illegal.

This avenue was increasingly successful, especially in cases where only lower-specification models were officially offered on the US market. For example, Mercedes-Benz chose to offer only the lower-output 380SEL model to Americans in 1981, ensuring a huge demand for the much faster 500SEL available in the rest of the world. BMW had the same issue with their 745i Turbo. The grey market was successful enough that it ate significantly into the business of Mercedes-Benz of North America and their dealers. The corporation launched a successful million-dollar congressional lobbying effort to stop private importation of vehicles not officially intended for the U.S. market. An organisation called AICA (Automotive Importers Compliance Association) was formed by importers in California, Florida, New York, Texas, and elsewhere to counter some of these actions by Mercedes lobbyists, but the Motor Vehicle Safety Compliance Act was passed in 1988, effectively ending private import of grey-market vehicles to the United States. No evidence was presented that grey-import vehicles' safety performance differed significantly from that of US models, and there have been allegations of improper lobbying, but the issue has never been raised in court.

Grey import vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_import_vehicle)

[drift freaq]

Correct it was Mercedes that made Grey market cars illegal.

This avenue was increasingly successful, especially in cases where only lower-specification models were officially offered on the US market. For example, Mercedes-Benz chose to offer only the lower-output 380SEL model to Americans in 1981, ensuring a huge demand for the much faster 500SEL available in the rest of the world. BMW had the same issue with their 745i Turbo. The grey market was successful enough that it ate significantly into the business of Mercedes-Benz of North America and their dealers. The corporation launched a successful million-dollar congressional lobbying effort to stop private importation of vehicles not officially intended for the U.S. market. An organisation called AICA (Automotive Importers Compliance Association) was formed by importers in California, Florida, New York, Texas, and elsewhere to counter some of these actions by Mercedes lobbyists, but the Motor Vehicle Safety Compliance Act was passed in 1988, effectively ending private import of grey-market vehicles to the United States. No evidence was presented that grey-import vehicles' safety performance differed significantly from that of US models, and there have been allegations of improper lobbying, but the issue has never been raised in court.

Grey import vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_import_vehicle)

Yup, I helped import an original European version E30 M3 for my friend back in the 80's. Grey Market cars was decent business in the San Francisco bay area.

The issue really is not on lawmakers radar. This is why Homeland security has gotten all misguided in the issue. They seem to think that these cars represent a threat to the security of the country, because they are illegal and lawmakers could care less about the whole thing.

[Toi]

I *really* doubt The big 3 even remotely cares about importing 10-20 year year old Nissans.

See above post, my family has been in the car business a LONG time.

[kyles1988]

http://wh.gov/b6q

Petition to change DOT exemption from 25 to 15 years.

[8643710825]

Signed......

[khai01]

That is dump, fine something else to do. Stupid gov. They're probably watching all the forum too...

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

If I had a Kaizo skyline and I got word of this, I'd spend a day pulling the engine, gutting the interior, and putting it up on jacks in my garage. That way when they came, what can they do? I was building a race car.IIRC, this doesn't work. The gov't has seized shells for "intent" to reassemble it into a skyrine... I'd say the best bet at getting away with it would be swapping an SR, JZ, or LSx, and getting an assembled vehicle title from your state. If you've already assembled the car with the running gear from a different vehicle and gotten it state titled as a kit / custom, they're going to have a pretty hard establishing intent.

Problem is, they still get to do what the fuck they want. There's nothing stopping them from taking your car and crushing it... you just might be able to sue them for damages if you can prove that they weren't justified in crushing your car. So... better get a good legal team if you have a skyline.

[8643710825]

SInce day one we have said the Kaizo Process Was BS. WE have had Homeland Security/ICE/CBP/DOT Special Agents come to one of our warehouse's in search of cars. They were pretty cool but they were def there to seize vehicles.. We have also had chassis seized at the boarders with intent to re assemble. They can detain the vehicle but they can't actually seize it. They have to prove you are going to use that for htat certain purpose. Over the course of about 8 years we have had about 20 chassis seized. Never got any of them back..Some were crushed some were exported.

[WrisColf]

Signed. we have to get the word out of this petition. only reason i found this was because i was bored. Spread the word!

[shiftdrift]

yep, that petition will NEVER work, it's a FEDERAL law which is decided about 10 years in advance, there is a ZERO chance it will work.

[RB180sxChris]

who cares, really. its a skyline. Big woop. I see 5 a day.

Well no shit you see 5 day your in canada you dumbass!:picardfp:

[redline1320]

I signed....Idc if you think it wont work. If by some chance it came down to this single petition and the reason it wasn't passed is because it didnt have enough signatures. I spread the word

[DallasTXjdm]

Instead of investing time and money hunting down illegal cars, concentrate and spend that sh!t on busting actual criminals i.e. drug smugglers, child predators, scam rings, big corporate parasitic flakes, etc,. Oh wait!!! All of those pricks feed money back into the Judicial system which then goes back to our government. Ahhhh ha! :l101:

[Rancimo322]

man i love this country and its b.s :)

BROCODE Article 43: A Bro loves his country, unless that country isn't America.

[AS240]

tried to sign it and got this:
"The petition you are trying to access has expired, because it failed to meet the signature threshold."
...awesome

[enot767]

yep, its no longer on the site.. last i saw it had some 15,xxx signatures

[94vert]

buy from canada forget the feds.

[imwigger0303]

change the stickers and the vin tags to a 1995 or older nissan 240sx shell with a legit title then they cant track it it will fly under the radar except when u get stopped

[bellis_GTR]

I have plans to move to the states in the future. I know I will be bringing my R32 with me. Ill jump through their stupid hoops to get it. I would be happy if they let me bring it in as a track only car.

[delado]

change the stickers and the vin tags to a 1995 or older nissan 240sx shell with a legit title then they cant track it it will fly under the radar except when u get stopped

Zilvia does not condone ilegal activities bro dude.

[Godfoot]

cheesey letter, usually when I get letters from the gov , there about pages and pages long

[Coleosis]

Zilvia does not condone ilegal activities bro dude.

I wonder what the law is you would be breaking to put a 240sx VIN on it and call it a kit car.... I'm not argueing it is illegal... but HOOOOW illegal?

[Toi]

Just try and register it AS a real kit car.....that might work.

Until then everyone needs to wait, old gear heads did it and so can the rest of you.

[go7roo7]

Brian Spilner " hey guys we need a skyline..."

Thomas P O'Brian "hmm I think I saw one heading home yesterday..."


60 days later...

WHERE THE F#[email protected] IS MY SKYLINE!?

1 month later...

Fast And Furious 6 Premiers

[Rancimo322]

hahaha with a ugly rice kit on it lol

[Big Zee]

I think that the massive amounts of money spent on this investigation and man power to complete this task would have been more beneficial if it was spent on anti-terrorism security or educational purposes for our children. There are so many schools that could have used this money on buying new books, or learning curriculum material! They should have used this money to fund more border patrol agents to keep drugs out of the reach of children. Or even spending it to increase security in schools to keep children safe from that one kid who was not liked enough and decides to come to school with a gun. But instead, their wasting money by removing cars just cause they dont pass standards of American government. When was the last time that a skyline hijacked an airplane and crashed it into two major buildings? When was the last time that a Skyline walked into a school and killed 20 children? When was the last time a skyline set off a roadside bomb? This is a complete waste of money!

^ This is truth and I agree with it. So many people are supporting the wrong priority. Education, Security, Industtry, stupid stuff. that's the order every goverment should be spending their money.

[Rancimo322]

there inforcing a law they placed them self when the could just tax us and let us keep them. personally i would not mind paying the extra tax. I live in ca and pay enough taxes so if i can see that sweet ass car every morning before work i would. no questions asked!.Take money could go to much useful junk. like my streets!

[Toi]

LOL I could imagine the revenue they could generate by placing a grey market tax on imported cars!

[s34n]

Haha take em down feds!! That sucks so bad.

[Mishkin_707]

thread is old as hell....lol but still japan has worse smog laws than we do in the us, hell i bet cali is gonna start the "30,000 mile" engine removal, but still those laws are worse than ours so why would that bother our eco system? shit, we still have old ass V8 domestics that put out more emissions than "gray market" imports and they are smog exempt. tax them.

[Midnight Shift]

thread is old as hell....lol but still japan has worse smog laws than we do in the us, hell i bet cali is gonna start the "30,000 mile" engine removal, but still those laws are worse than ours so why would that bother our eco system? shit, we still have old ass V8 domestics that put out more emissions than "gray market" imports and they are smog exempt. tax them.

Hey, I live in Japan and my S13 Silvia has over 200,000 Kms on it and I don't have to get a new engine every 30,000 miles (50,000 kms.) My car's emissions standards are based on what they were in 1993!!!! I just passed my "shaken" car inspection in August last year with the original cats too!!!

That 30,000 mile engine removal was just a ploy to sell engines abroad as only "having 30,000 miles" on them! I'm sure there are some really high mileage engines in the States and other countries that are sold as "under 40,000 miles..."

[808_Drift]

wow
so do owners get what they paid back?

[kikcaffine]

wow
so do owners get what they paid back?

no shit out of luck

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hey, I live in Japan and my S13 Silvia has over 200,000 Kms on it and I don't have to get a new engine every 30,000 miles (50,000 kms.) My car's emissions standards are based on what they were in 1993!!!! I just passed my "shaken" car inspection in August last year with the original cats too!!!

That 30,000 mile engine removal was just a ploy to sell engines abroad as only "having 30,000 miles" on them! I'm sure there are some really high mileage engines in the States and other countries that are sold as "under 40,000 miles..."

Then you throw in the fact that most engines left in Japan are all beat the fuck up or even the drifters dont want them.

[ocshaman]

I wouldn't go with beat to fuck, I would just not maintained. When it cost $1500-2000 to get your car inspected every two years, most won't consider maintenance as necessary, as the place inspecting does the maintenence and makes the owner pay. I think it has more to do with lack of driving time (water in oil, etc), wanting to keep up with the Suzukis, and not having a simple way, or knowledge to do it yourself, and the government architecture built around those tenants that keeps the cars from being in good condition. My second car here was junked at 220K KM because of the transmission. My father in law is selling his 2005 Mazda Demio Casual because it has 89K KMs on it.

[theronin]

change the stickers and the vin tags to a 1995 or older nissan 240sx shell with a legit title then they cant track it it will fly under the radar except when u get stopped


thats a felony. do you enjoy assrape?

[kruked]

thats a felony.


It's only a felony if one gets caught.

[theronin]

It's only a felony if one gets caught.

so is rape.

[kruked]

so is rape.


.......Yep

[brewster240]

thread is old as hell....lol but still japan has worse smog laws than we do in the us, hell i bet cali is gonna start the "30,000 mile" engine removal, but still those laws are worse than ours so why would that bother our eco system? shit, we still have old ass V8 domestics that put out more emissions than "gray market" imports and they are smog exempt. tax them.


Just stopping in to say, you're an idiot.

[1320VR4]

They'll harass automotive enthusiasts and destroy these illegal cars but god forbid we deport and illegal mexican.

[kruked]

They'll harass automotive enthusiasts and destroy these illegal cars but god forbid we deport and illegal mexican.

If they deported the illegals, who else would they get to work out in the fields? Us "white" folks won't do it because we'll burn, lord himself knows that the African Americans won't do it because they had enough of that shit when they had to pick cotton. Any volunteers? Truthfully though, the government needs to pull all the soldiers from across seas, space them out every 1/4 mile along the border, and....
You get what I'm saying.
Yea, it sucks that they don't have sh¡t for work over/down there, but they come to our country and drive us out of work. It's not fare to us.
Anyways, more car talk.

[1320VR4]

^lol! My point was, there are more important issues to worry about than crushing imported cars. Whats so horrible about a Skyline that it doesn't meet our emissions or crash testing. How many of you guys really run emissions anything on your cars and I can't imagine a skyline being more unsafe than a pinto lol

[mr2gons14]

emissions test haha ur funny i dont think anyone will even emission test my car just by lookin at it once i get back to the states

[ryandh]

holy thread revival... this thread is old as fuck...

[canasion35]

^ who gives a fuck, its still fun to talk about.
and yeah we really do need to deport all the illegal mexicans, in houston we are flooded with them and its almost impossible to get a job here. Just deport them and stop crushing them cars!

[wackintheballs]

It's hard to get a job anywhere... apparently racism just happens to blame it on the mexicans just like when we blamed AIDS on monkeys. Those fuckers are hard working, no wonder they put people outta jobs.

[Danb]

First off, its not a racism. You dont hear people all over the states yelling wetbacks or buisnesses with signs that say "no mexicanos". its the dynamics of the mexican race being apart of the united states.

they are hard working because thats all they are here to do. Work, reap the benefits and send the mulah back home or live as cheap as possible and save abunch of money. "hard working mexicans" dont really help anything besides jack the system up by not giving back to the economy as the econmoy gives to them. There are plenty that are doing it up, paying taxes and driving new cars and all that junk and thats great, speak english and be a mexican american, make money and do whatever but there is way more acting like a duck sitting on her eggs. I see it everyday and it pisses me off! they come in the my store trying to pay a bill and say "beeeel" oh you mean bill? beeel! whats your phone number? beeel! takes 10 minutes to do a 2 minute task, oh but they are hard working. Only way to get anywhere these days into rack up in college loan debt and be someones bitch for a few years. Go lay in a pool of real life shit for a little bit and educate yourself.

[kruked]

I've been doing construction for the past 7 years, (mostly high rise condominiums) it requires A LOT of people. 95% of the people are hispanic. 78% of them don't speak English. 87% are illegals. In most schools now, it's mandatory to take Spanish. It's like, what the fu¢k for, I'm an American that lives in the USA. It's ridiculous. In order to get any type of job now, the employer(s) prefer that you are bilingual. When you call a service line that doesn't offer "live support", the first thing that is said on the automated recording is, "press 1 for Spanish". It's like, "bitch, fu¢k off, I'm an American"!! In another 25 years, the USA is going to be, "The United States of Mexico".

[Danb]

Exactly. I was apart of the construction industry myself for a couple of years and everything you said was what i saw. The ones that speak great english are ok, ive conversated with those and called them friends, the ones that can only speak a little to none, which is generally more than those who speak great englis, just have no social skills with americans but instead of offering free english classes or something to help them adapt to our standards, we start adapting to them. America is the only country who changes their country like this for a profit gain. It shouldnt even be called america anymore, More like the universal land of oppurtunity.

[S14DB]

holy thread revival... this thread is old as fuck...

To compare cars to "Mexicans"... :goyou: