S12 owners

[ildraconisli]

So, wondering how many S12 owners there are on this site if there are many at all. I know most go to Club S12 seeing that most other Nissan sites lack information or a large enough group of those who own the particular chassis.

[Dousan_PG]

ive seen maybe 3 on here at most.
maybe max of 5

[ZX88]

there really is only one cool one on here. the others are beat up or stock.

[shinmei-2006]

i have 2. a 88 with a KA24de out of a 93 s13, and a 87 SE VG30e

[ildraconisli]

there really is only one cool one on here. the others are beat up or stock.

Which one may this be? I'm wondering if I know the bloke.

[ixfxi]

worst car ever

please, leave zilvia if you own an s12.

[ildraconisli]

i have 2. a 88 with a KA24de out of a 93 s13, and a 87 SE VG30e

How you like the KA S12? I had a KA in one of the several I've owned with the turbo diff., 4.11 gear ratio. That thing was nice off the line. Not much to do on the top end but great initially. As for the SE, that was my car stock, same year too. Personally of all the S12s that wre available in the US, by far the best. Too bad it had to be basically customed to fit in the S12 otherwise it would have been easier to swap in other Z31 parts, esp. the Z31 turbo engine.

[ildraconisli]

worst car ever

please, leave zilvia if you own an s12.

No thanks. It isnt the worst car. Not the best car that's for sure. It's still a Silvia in it's own right and during it's time did some great accomplishments. Held 5 engines stock from factory and was an incredible test bed for Nissan. Many of which were made standard and improved for the S13.

[BustedS13]

these are always the worst threads

[I LUV MY S13]

No thanks. It isnt the worst car. Not the best car that's for sure. It's still a Silvia in it's own right and during it's time did some great accomplishments. Held 5 engines stock from factory and was an incredible test bed for Nissan. Many of which were made standard and improved for the S13.:bowdown:




worst car ever

please, leave zilvia if you own an s12.:nono:

[BustedS13]

No thanks. It isnt the worst car. Not the best car that's for sure. It's still a Silvia in it's own right and during it's time did some great accomplishments. Held 5 engines stock from factory and was an incredible test bed for Nissan. Many of which were made standard and improved for the S13.

yeah experiments are really cool to drive
embryos are way better than adult humans


























equal rights for unborn babies

[DeadlyZ33]

worst car ever

please, leave zilvia if you own an s12.
Whats wrong with s12's? small aftermarket? hard to mod?
I always liked their look, kinda like a nissan version of ae86.
I'd drive one if it drove good..

[rednissan180]

i almost traded my friend a $50 dollar gift card for his...but decided not to because it needed too much work...i'd drive one, but theres no nice ones around where i live

[FaLKoN240]

The reason they suck is because they use a completely different suspension set up and everything suspension wise must be done custom.

It's totally not worth it, and not comparable to an 86, except for the fact that they're both fucking old and small.

[soreballz]

Whats wrong with s12's? small aftermarket? hard to mod?

Yes, yes, and on top of that, they're ugly as fuck.

I've seen two, maaaaybe three good looking S12s, the nicest of them being Henry's car.

[ixfxi]

Whats wrong with s12's? small aftermarket? hard to mod?
I always liked their look, kinda like a nissan version of ae86.
I'd drive one if it drove good..

same thing thats wrong with the:

MKIII Supra
Z31 300ZX

they were made in the 80s. I'de take a car from the 60s or 70s ANYDAY over a car from the 80s. There are very, very few cars from the 80s that are worth a damn.

I'de take an AWD Celica GT-Four before I take a shitty ass S12. Even the S13 is a hunk of shit, its only saving grace is that it is highly modable. In stock form the S13 is fine, its fun.. but its far from anything special. Ask Dave, he's driven/owned a billion stock 240's and they're all OKAY in stock form, but it gets tiring quick. The 240's saving grace is that its easily modable and each mod is very rewarding. This is why you keep seeing more and more aftermarket parts being developed for the S13/14/15.

But the S12? There's nothing being developed for it. If a car lacks aftermarket support then its practically useless unless its perfect (or near perfect) in stock form.

[Flicktitty]

same thing thats wrong with the:

MKIII Supra
Z31 300ZX

they were made in the 80s. I'de take a car from the 60s or 70s ANYDAY over a car from the 80s. There are very, very few cars from the 80s that are worth a damn.

I'de take an AWD Celica GT-Four before I take a shitty ass S12. Even the S13 is a hunk of shit, its only saving grace is that it is highly modable. In stock form the S13 is fine, its fun.. but its far from anything special. Ask Dave, he's driven/owned a billion stock 240's and they're all OKAY in stock form, but it gets tiring quick. The 240's saving grace is that its easily modable and each mod is very rewarding. This is why you keep seeing more and more aftermarket parts being developed for the S13/14/15.

But the S12? There's nothing being developed for it. If a car lacks aftermarket support then its practically useless unless its perfect (or near perfect) in stock form.
the Z31 and a MKIII are totally differant then a S12.

they each have a huge following and a large aftermarket, and like the S-chassis scene the Z31/MKIII scene is only getting bigger....

[cali_love]

saw a s12 at the 818 meet he made the front end a silvia with a sr20

[ranger240]

The reason they suck is because they use a completely different suspension set up and everything suspension wise must be done custom.

It's totally not worth it, and not comparable to an 86, except for the fact that they're both fucking old and small. you forgot ugly as hell, in looks alone i'd take a s12 over some stupid ae86, s12's at least look like a crappy japanese quattro

[Ali 556]

If a car lacks aftermarket support then its practically useless unless its perfect (or near perfect) in stock form.

well said,

tell that to the ppl who planing to swap VQ30DET <-- the damn thing have ZERO repet ZERO aft. market support....

stuiped ppl say...no it's "turbo from the factroy" and will > VQ35de...

BOTH engine are C R A P....Swap an RB or A 2JZ-GTE and get it done....

Turbo from the factory my Ass...

Damn stuiped ppl

[wgJoY]

uh oh.

:hide:

[KDL323]

AE86 vs S12 Thread.

Nissan 200sx vs Toyota Corolla ~ Battle of the Old Skoo Hatches ~: General Chat: Nissan Forums / Infiniti Forums - NICOclub (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/416442-nissan-200sx-vs-toyota-corolla-battle-of-the-old-skoo-hatches)

[shishcabobers]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd8/nenhenry2/HEN_5755.jpg

Yarou's is the only good one here.

[KDL323]

yeah, henry's is one of the best looking ones out there.

[ildraconisli]

Henry's car is not bad at all. Good KA swap and suspension conversion but not really one I would rate as one of the best. If you want ones that could be considered as the better S12s you need to look to Australia, the UK and Europe.

On a side note, if anyone watched the Option dvd, I will have to look for which volume, Daijirou (sp sorry) said that the S12 was one of his favourite cars he's played with. So if a old Japanese dude acknowledges the S12 and thinks they are definitly enjoyable... and a guy who's seen all the JDM cars, it cant be that bad. Maybe not the best or that great but not that bad.

Pic below: Green one is from Adelaide Australia and the other is from Finland.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Draconis9/cars/calendar_examples_twomoremonths.jpg

Or if you want more of pure performance there is always Ben D's car. His was the S12 for quite a while back in the day. To many it is still an inspiration. The car may not look like too much but he finally got it to run 9's in the quarter mile on his FJ.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Draconis9/cars/S12.jpg


As for aftermarket, no there isnt as big of an aftermarket as there are for other cars, but there is a small amount and it's growing. You dont see much of it advertised in general but in specific areas or when asked for. Also for the modification of the car? Not that hard at all really. Much of the S13 was built from the S12. The whole front end is almost a direct swap. The rear suspension is where Nissan improved their work greatly. The braking system, almost the same between the two models. The S12 came stock with a CA18DET in it's last couple of years so it's a direct swap as well. The SR doesnt take much work at all besides a wiring harness modification. All in all, it is a quite capable car. Yes, not very curvy as compared to the S13s so if you like curves, definitely not the car for you. But they arent as impossible to work on. You just need to understand the car a bit more, be willing not to just walk into a store and ask for something off the shelf. Myself, I get parts from a S13, S14, Z31, 280ZX and Z32 to get the car for what I want it to be. And just about all those parts are either direct bolt on or slight modification that basically doesnt take much work.

[silvia-84]

saw a s12 at the 818 meet he made the front end a silvia with a sr20

haha i know that guy ;)

[Bubbles]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd8/nenhenry2/HEN_5755.jpg

Yarou's is the only good one here.


You mean there's a car attached to those wheels?


Shoulda gota rolla.

[ixfxi]

the Z31 and a MKIII are totally differant then a S12.

they each have a huge following and a large aftermarket, and like the S-chassis scene the Z31/MKIII scene is only getting bigger....

yes, they are available in turbo and in that form, produce less power than today's v6 camry or mustang. and still, they suck balls.

ive seen very, very very very few z31's or mkiii supras that dont suck balls, and its tough.

[ildraconisli]

Yes, most cars back in the day in the 80s are not as good as today's cars. Couple reasons. The whole emission stuff and epa stuff that hit in the 70s really screwed the cars over. And you got to factor in the that since then, power has continued to grow over the years. What was once powerful is now every day so to compare cars from then to now isnt really fair. There are a lot more cars that are more powerful, more fuel efficient and with more toys than we had in the past.

[drft-s12]

I have two S12's and one has a FJ20ET in it and i gots to say its a car of its own but still a Nissan.....i have had a s13 with an Sr and sold it i miss it but i dont cause to me i like to be different and everyone and there mom has a S13 so there is my :2c:.............so dont hate cause you dont like them if you dont like them good for you there is people that do and are all here for a reason to talk about and discuss SILVIA'S.........

[Sergio180sx]

The bottom line is that the s12 was the birth of the s chassis and no matter what its still in th s family and deserve some love if it wasnt for the s12 we wouldnt have the s13/s14/s15 and this one is pretty clean though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/sicjered/s12/100_0075.jpg

[KDL323]

actually there was still an s110 i believe

[just a guy]

:nono:worst car ever

please, leave zilvia if you own an s12.


before you read this i just want to let you know im not that rude and i dont always talk shit......but ur dissin the s12
wow :nono:
were do i start
first off suck a fat one(ixfxi).^^^^^^^^^^
to all you haters talking shit about s12 are prob. driving a P.O.S beat up 240.
i have a s12 that can prob smash 1/2 of the 240s out there.
i have pretty much everything done to it including a s14 sr with t2871r.

on that note
i can say that yes not many s12 are clean or fast
and thats why if u do see a clean one u :bowrofl:
but without the s12 the s13 wouldnt be here.

[Souljahzs13]

LOL... i was waiting for Jad to pop up in here.

[ildraconisli]

The Silvia started way back in the 50s or 60s. I forgot when exactly but it was with the CSP311 or something of that effect. Then a bit later with the S10. S11 came along with a rotary engine but Nissan canned that before it really went anywhere, dropped in a Z20 engine and that's how we got the S110. Then the S12, S13, S14 and S15.

[just a guy]

LOL... i was waiting for Jad to pop up in here.



HELLO
and here i am
i love when people hate
then i come in and
:rl:

[brewster240]

The Silvia started way back in the 50s or 60s. I forgot when exactly but it was with the CSP311 or something of that effect. Then a bit later with the S10. S11 came along with a rotary engine but Nissan canned that before it really went anywhere, dropped in a Z20 engine and that's how we got the S110. Then the S12, S13, S14 and S15.

ban anyone else lately clown?

[ayuaddict]

i still think that henry's S12 is probably the nicest one in the world. many a day i was there in his garage eating his hot pockets while he was working on it, and that bitch has a ridiculous amount of attention to detail.

...oh and that exhaust he has, hella cool.

[FaLKoN240]

i still think that henry's S12 is probably the nicest one in the world. many a day i was there in his garage eating his hot pockets while he was working on it, and that bitch has a ridiculous amount of attention to detail.

...oh and that exhaust he has, hella cool.

Yeah seriously.

No one really gives a shit about a FAST S12.

Anyone can make a car fast if they put enough money and work into it.

Example is a geo metro with a B18 or something.

Making a good looking car that can perform (i.e. handle and be fast) is something that is more to marvel over and can be quite remarkable.

[shinmei-2006]

http://www.club-s12.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=105

http://www.club-s12.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=106

http://www.racesilvia.com/pics/06-alastaro/kuvat_2/slides/DSC_0007.JPG

http://www.racesilvia.com/pics/X-treme-Botniaring/slides/DSC_0244.jpg

and mine

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/100/l_875aa845e0df87774f1f4daf04b483a4.jpg

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/63/l_16568e6cfc39bf81f64a44dd558af9ee.jpg

[brewster240]

you're not helping the cause

[Ali 556]

ive seen very, very very very few z31's or mkiii supras that dont suck balls, and its tough.

yeah,

MKIII supra : The world ONLY leagal civil TANK....

Z31 - Z34 ALL of Them SUCK balls....like the S12 -

[FaLKoN240]

you're not helping the cause

Haha at least I wasn't the only one thinking this.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

The bottom line is that the s12 was the birth of the s chassis

lol wut?

Nissan Silvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Silvia)

[s13silvia123]

lol wut?

Nissan Silvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Silvia)

LOL youre still funny man LOL

[ixfxi]

:nono:


before you read this i just want to let you know im not that rude and i dont always talk shit......but ur dissin the s12
wow :nono:
were do i start
first off suck a fat one(ixfxi).^^^^^^^^^^
to all you haters talking shit about s12 are prob. driving a P.O.S beat up 240.
i have a s12 that can prob smash 1/2 of the 240s out there.
i have pretty much everything done to it including a s14 sr with t2871r.

on that note
i can say that yes not many s12 are clean or fast
and thats why if u do see a clean one u :bowrofl:
but without the s12 the s13 wouldnt be here.

post a pic of your interior. ide love to see the classy, stylish, beautiful 1980s interior.

no matter what you did to your car, the interior looks like a fuckin cardboard box.


same with the Z31
same with the MA70 Supra
same with the Starion
same with the Corolla

but...... at least the corolla is a fucking COROLLA. The s12 is just BAAAAAAAAARF

[ayuaddict]

Haha at least I wasn't the only one thinking this.

heyyy what happened to the avatar...

[FaLKoN240]

heyyy what happened to the avatar...

I'm keeping the Munn theme going.

I really like her more than any other girl in the media right now.

[silviaguy240]

:nono:


before you read this i just want to let you know im not that rude and i dont always talk shit......but ur dissin the s12
wow :nono:
were do i start
first off suck a fat one(ixfxi).^^^^^^^^^^
to all you haters talking shit about s12 are prob. driving a P.O.S beat up 240.
i have a s12 that can prob smash 1/2 of the 240s out there.
i have pretty much everything done to it including a s14 sr with t2871r.

on that note
i can say that yes not many s12 are clean or fast
and thats why if u do see a clean one u :bowrofl:
but without the s12 the s13 wouldnt be here.

ok. i can put a V8 in a geo metro. but that doesnt make it anymore cool than it already is. you still have an 80's shitbox.

[brewster240]

ok. i can put a V8 in a geo metro. but that doesnt make it anymore cool than it already is. you still have an 80's shitbox.


i dont know, a v8 metro would be pretty fucking dangerous.

danger is cool, etc.

[yarou]

I'm not even going to post in this thread.


oh shi-

[Xbroke_kidX]

yes jad your car is fast i can vouch for that hahaha
but.....s12's are 99% ugly as fuck. with a very few that are clean, and that blue one up there is not one of them....eww

[ayuaddict]

yes jad your car is fast i can vouch for that hahaha
but.....s12's are 99% ugly as fuck. with a very few that are clean, and that blue one up there is not one of them....eww

yeaaa, fuck that.

i can vouch for that car.

seriously though, i agree that S12s are ugly, but in my opinion that blue one is the cleanest one out there, the one closest to being not ugly. i have driven it, rode in it, and its a great car, to be honest it felt just like my S13. and in person the car is visually appealing, well at least to me. im not sure as to what you define as clean, but original paint and body with flush ass 15s, slammed with blast pipes coming out the back is the very definition of "clean" if you ask me.

you're fucking trippin homie.

[Xbroke_kidX]

well congrats misunderstanding what blue car i was talking about. I was talking about the car Shinmei posted not henrys car, henrys car is the nicest s12 iv seen. Funny his cars been posted so many times and not even by him

[soreballz]

i have a s12 that can prob smash 1/2 of the 240s out there.
i have pretty much everything done to it including a s14 sr with t2871r.

But its still ugly.

Your car is a funny thing. When the hood is popped, I look at the engine bay and say, "Whoa. That is very fucking nice." But when the hood is down, its just another ugly S12.


:angel:

[Orly? Yarly.]

ive owned three
now own an s13
going to go back to s12 eventually

ps: only S chassis to come with a V6 what??
oh and your s13 didnt come with 5 lug either?
oh, okay.

and anyone that says thers no aftermarket for s12's is lying/ is stupid/ loves the cock

[soreballz]

^It came with a piece of shit V6, whoopity fucking doo.
5-lug? Yeeeeeah, that TOTALLY makes up for all the other shittiness about that car.

[Orly? Yarly.]

im just saying, a lot of s chassis owners seem to jizz themselves over 5 lug.
and that piece of shit v6 has more balls than this pos ka-e thats for damn sure

[yarou]

im just saying, a lot of s chassis owners seem to jizz themselves over 5 lug.
and that piece of shit v6 has more balls than this pos ka-e thats for damn sure

What's 5 lug have anything to do with how it looks? or that piece of crap it calls rear suspension? You're also comparing apples to oranges now.

Man, I didn't want to get involved. :ghey:

Loving the S12 is like loving an unplanned child, you have to when it's yours.


Oh, thanks Yuta for defending my car even though he meant the other blue s12 LOL

[krissynbeau]

I saw the coolest looking s12 at a junkyard in ontario. It was the v6 hatch and was two tone white with gold. It also had the factory side skirts and lip. The car was un touched, I wonder why it made it to the yard. I was sad.

[irax]

lol wut?

Nissan Silvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Silvia)

actually, the s12 was the first to offer IRS, electronic fuel injection, and even option for turbo. in a sense it was the scratch paper that nissan used to get the drawings right for what the Silvia chassis became. Yeah that V6 is shit... but fuck that V6 is better than the NA KA ALL DAY!

[krissynbeau]

Saw this one at costco a while back and snapped a shot with my phone. At the time I had never seen a v6 version so I was all happy.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w62/jumpingbo/s12.jpg

[BustedS13]

unbelievably ugly.

[FaLKoN240]

im just saying, a lot of s chassis owners seem to jizz themselves over 5 lug.


Yeah because 5 lug can make our cars look SO MUCH BETTER due to wheel selection.

Even if you put dope wheels on a stock 5 lug S12 it's still gonna look stupid. Unless you make some coilover system for the crappy S12 to lower it. Which is MORE work than it is to buy coilovers and do 5 lug convertion on an S13.

Not to mention the S12 will STILL be uglier than the S13 after that.

and that piece of shit v6 has more balls than this pos ka-e thats for damn sure

Yes sir, out of real numbers on the number line 6 is higher up than 4! Congratulations!

You guys are like fucking Australians, you just don't get the style.

[ixfxi]

I saw the coolest looking s12 at a junkyard in ontario. It was the v6 hatch and was two tone white with gold. It also had the factory side skirts and lip. The car was un touched, I wonder why it made it to the yard. I was sad.

tear............

[FaLKoN240]

tear............

LOL the S12 was in the junkyard because to the rest of the country, that S12 is what it is in the junkyard, a PILE of parts not worth fixing to make it roadworthy.

[irax]

Yes sir, out of real numbers on the number line 6 is higher up than 4! Congratulations!

You guys are like fucking Australians, you just don't get the style.

huh? there's a style to four cylinders that make it better than a V6? CLEARLY non sent me the memo.

[drft-s12]

How about some JDM ones they look alright come on now.....and also other then the DR30 having the holy grail of Nissan engines...FJ20ET...the RSX S12 also came FJ powa!!!!!!

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/drft-s12/Z%20Show%2008/RS-X_01.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/drft-s12/Z%20Show%2008/RS-X_02.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/drft-s12/Z%20Show%2008/GD3.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/drft-s12/Z%20Show%2008/g15.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/drft-s12/Z%20Show%2008/cruise_05.jpg

[Xbroke_kidX]

coupes look way cleaner

[drft-s12]

Im building a coupe right now with an FJ20 in it....when it was running it was a blast im gonna be doing S13 suspension in the front soon.

But they are honestly not that bad its you got people posting the ugliest stock pics of the car.....i own 2 of them but should of stuck with my S13 forsure especially with all the money i put in the S12......

[FaLKoN240]

huh? there's a style to four cylinders that make it better than a V6? CLEARLY non sent me the memo.

The last sentence was clearly unrelated to the engine statement, way to confuse YOURSELF.

[ixfxi]

http://clearcorners.com/temp/ae86.jpg
Notice how cool the AE86 owner is back then, and even today. Still fuckin OG. He's badassed and stylin.


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/drft-s12/Z%20Show%2008/RS-X_01.jpg
You could put a model next to this car, it will still look like a turd with a darth vader hood scoop. Fuck that car.

[drft-s12]

^ ok i think we get the point you dont like the car CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! Grow the fuck up......

[zilvia_brothers]

its a hate it or love it car. i didn't like my s12 at first but when i started fixing it up i started to like it.

[silvia-84]

i was the same way with mine.

[S12 Drifter]

FJ compared to a SR20 or a KA, FJ whoops their ass all fucking day long! just slap on a turbo and injectors and your making more power then a ported Sr20 or KA with the same mods. so if you're going to rag on the S12's engine don't rag on the CA20E because your making your self look pathetic. We all know the CA20E is crap. if your going to compare engines take the top dog engines, not the low class engines.

if your going to compare cars do it right take cars from the same time line.

what about the S110? thats a S chassis, the S12 wasn't the birth of the S chassis if you think that you need you sell what ever nissan you have and buy a fucking honda. it's like saying the 280Z started everything on the Z cars :down:

as for the Z31 being shit... I'd like you see any one of you hold a race against satan.... ;)


The S12 and Z31 are a love hate thing. you either love it or hate it plane and simple.

[S12 Drifter]

LOL the S12 was in the junkyard because to the rest of the country, that S12 is what it is in the junkyard, a PILE of parts not worth fixing to make it roadworthy.

i saw like 5 S13's in the j-yard last week... gee i wonder.

also saw a bimmer too.

[ixfxi]

"noooooooooooooooooo dont talk about my carrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!"



ive offended all of the s12 owners here.



good. :-)


ps: does tanabe sell the TEAS or medallion exhaust for the s12? no, thought so.

BOOYA tanabe only sells baller products for baller cars, like the new Honda Insight and NISSAN CUBE!!!!!!!! (not the S12 200sx)

[85turbo_s12]

I'm glad you all hate on the s12 that means there's more for me and the rest of the s12 community you guys can have your s13/14/15's with the bodykits and cool name brand products...Like someone said earlier everybody and there mother has a 240 and it's all cookie cutter shit same kits same rims same sr swap used for drifting there all the fucking same (with the exception of the ka-t guys) if you've seen 1 240 you've pretty much seen them all. So go ahead and follow the masses like a bunch of lepers(sp) And us s12 guys will stick with s12's and be original

[Leegamer]

S12 shell+ S13 front suspension conversion + s13coilovers + KA24DE = cheaper than 99% of stock S13s on the market and will destroy a stock S13 in both acceleration and handing.

The S12 is way more fun than the S13 because everyone and their brother isn't driving around an S12 with the same wheels and the same motor swap. The S12 demands creativity.

Anyone who says the VG is a shit motor needs to go punch themselves in the face and then punch their mother in the face for creating such a small mind.

This reminds me of people with Z32, Z33s, and Z34s not even knowing what I'm driving when I honk and wave in my Z31 Turbo. Know your roots. Lol

[S12 Drifter]

yup the Z31 is soooo much trash right.

enjoy the slaughtering

stang gt
YouTube - Nissan 300ZX Turbo (Z31) vs Supercharged Mustang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YRsvB0_lk)

stang gt
YouTube - Nissan 300zx Turbo (Z31) vs Ford Mustang GT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp_GidnXdQ)

350Z
YouTube - Nissan 350Z vs Nissan 300ZX (Z31) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PyYAZ1-oY)

Viper killer
YouTube - Franks "Viper Killer" 300zx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKqn8svreU)

srt-4
YouTube - 1986 Nissan Z31 300zx Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OsrSfIzRxk)

b20 integra
YouTube - B20 Integra vs. 300zx Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OANXlJHxr5U)

evo8
YouTube - Evo8 vs. Z31 300zx Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbpmOtG44ME)









and just for your entertainment. a 7 second Z

YouTube - Cesar Febus 7.8s @ 150mph (Z31) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZfIc4mMKxY)

[Orly? Yarly.]

falkon240, you have proven yourself retarded. S13 front suspension conversion, bam retarded easy. Even megan makes coils for the rear.

[240SXsaint]

s12s are cool. 2 of my buddies have them and yea they may spend alot of time on them but when they go out to meets people always asking questions about the setup on them. hell one of them spanks on g35s for fun.btw i drive a s14

[TurboJake]

Howdy kids.

I don't know what the big deal is about hating on the S12. They're cheap, they're easy, and they're disposable.

My 200 = $200 to drive home from texas
Blew one CA20E up = $100
Bought a 240 = 400
Nabbed the engine, trans, etc = 0
Dropped into 200 = 0
Sold off 240 and parts from = -780

So far? I've been paid to build my car...

Have a FULL S13 coilover setup to go on it. So you can't hate TOO Much on the suspension. Plus I have a Solid rear axle. No camber issues. It's not heavier than the 240, but it's not lighter. It's not better than a 240, but it's 1/4 of the price. It's not as sellable as a 240, Because most people focus on vanity. A car is a car and a tool to your means, nothing more. Spending excessive amounts of money for lack of creativity, hard thought, and some real wrench turning, to me, is a sin.

There is nothing that I can't do with it. IRS or SRA, I have both options. I have a KA in it, So I have ALL 240 engine options for it. I'll have an S13 front suspension shortly. I'm sorry if I'm poor and love a sport. I'm sorry if I don't live in cali and have buttloads of money, and I'm especially sorry if I don't have some sort of trust fund dangling in my pocket. But even if I did, I refuse to pay rediculous amounts of drift tax. But it's kinda nice that If I steal parts from a S13, even If I payed for the whole car I can sell some of it and make my car free again, All thanks to people who prefer S13's over S12's.

P.S. I'm sorry if that's kind of a cocky first post. But there's no reason to hate S12's. I like a lot of cars. Including S13's and S14's. But buck for buck (or lack thereof), The S12 has taken the cake for me. Plus I have the added benefit of not wanting to shoot myself when I hit a wall, Blow it up, wreck it, or pretty much anything...

[Bubbles]

Here's a picture I found of an S12 that looks pretty cool......











http://tickledbylife.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/failure-does-not-exist.jpg

[S12 Drifter]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2964/55278856.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6168/93666320.jpg

[drift freaq]

How about some JDM ones they look alright come on now.....and also other then the DR30 having the holy grail of Nissan engines...FJ20ET...the RSX S12 also came FJ powa!!!!!!



While the FJ20 was Nissans first 4 cylinder twin cam. It was not the Holy Grail for Nissan Dual Cams. That would have be the S20, the 2 liter 6 cylinder Dual Cam engine that came in the S30 Fairlady 432ZG, and in the GC10 Skyline GTR. Both of which preceded the FJ20 by a good ten years.

As far as S12's go? They were great back in the 80's When they were the pinnacle of S chassis development. Though don't kid yourself a S13 is superior as is a S15 superior to the S13. The S14 well the chassis was stiffer. Not much else was different except the feel of the car.

If you want to love your 80's car great. I love early 70's S30's aka 240Z's. Does it mean it will out handle a S13? Honestly no.
Trust me, I drove a setup with koni's and other goodies 72 240Z up to the dealership in 1989. Parked it, and took a S13 SE out for a test drive. It ran rings around the setup Z even in its stock form. Oh I had been building Z's and playing with them for several years. Z's can handle but not like a S13. Just like a 350Z can do everything a S13 can do but better regardless of it being heavier.
Which was the same deal with the S30-S13.
Its like a 370 compared to a 350 the 370 will own a 350.

The biggest difference is psychological, you feel it differently so you think its not as good. It may actually perform as well or better but you perceive it to feel different. I.E. It drives like its heavier or feels heavier.
This is actually common perspective a lot of S13 owners get about S14's. The cars are not actually that much heavier. They just feel bigger and seem bigger therefor the S13 may not like it.

Fact is S12's are okay but please stop this my car is better when its ten years older bullshit, different yes, better no.

Nissan improves on their chassis and suspension technology constantly. They have to to keep sales going.

Oh wait some of you are talking about making your S12 handle better by putting S13 suspension in? Well that just proves the other peoples argument that the S13 is better. Why else would you put newer suspension from a newer car in?. LOL

So for the record this post is not a hate of S12's!

Its reality check for the general hate that is going on this thread in both directions.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

yup the Z31 is soooo much trash right.

enjoy the slaughtering

stang gt
YouTube - Nissan 300ZX Turbo (Z31) vs Supercharged Mustang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YRsvB0_lk)

stang gt
YouTube - Nissan 300zx Turbo (Z31) vs Ford Mustang GT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxp_GidnXdQ)

350Z
YouTube - Nissan 350Z vs Nissan 300ZX (Z31) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PyYAZ1-oY)

Viper killer
YouTube - Franks "Viper Killer" 300zx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKqn8svreU)

srt-4
YouTube - 1986 Nissan Z31 300zx Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OsrSfIzRxk)

b20 integra
YouTube - B20 Integra vs. 300zx Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OANXlJHxr5U)

evo8
YouTube - Evo8 vs. Z31 300zx Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbpmOtG44ME)









and just for your entertainment. a 7 second Z

YouTube - Cesar Febus 7.8s @ 150mph (Z31) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZfIc4mMKxY)


there's an old saying among drag racers:

a 10 second piece of shit is still a piece of shit.


ninja edit:

http://x7a.xanga.com/c6bf007049031247100622/w195917007.jpg

[just a guy]

<a href="me again picture by radjad - Photobucket (http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/?action=view&current=DSC_0401.jpg)" target="_blank"><img src="http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/DSC_0401.jpg" border="0" alt="me again"></a>

fast and looks good
my s12

[just a guy]

<a href="me again picture by radjad - Photobucket (http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/?action=view&current=DSC_0401.jpg)" target="_blank"><img src="http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/DSC_0401.jpg" border="0" alt="me again"></a>

my s12 fast amd clean

[BustedS13]

^ ok i think we get the point you dont like the car CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! Grow the fuck up......

your car of choice is fucking hideous
ask your parents if you can sell it

[FaLKoN240]

falkon240, you have proven yourself retarded. S13 front suspension conversion, bam retarded easy. Even megan makes coils for the rear.

Yeah, or you can have an S13 which has S13 suspension stock.

LOL or you can keep being fucking "creative" and make shit for your crappy car that no one wants to produce parts for.

I don't even have an S13 or any S chassis anymore.

Its funny how S12 people come out of the wood work to defend such a piece of shit car.

I wouldn't even bother going on another forum to defend an S13, I know its a piece of shit.

But comparing piece of shit to another piece of shit the S13 wins HANDS DOWN.

[zilvia_brothers]

an s12 done right will look pretty nice

[just a guy]

like mine ?????????????

[zilvia_brothers]

like mine ?????????????

hahaha yup!!!! ur car is nice and hauls ass! lol

[just a guy]

hahaha yup!!!! ur car is nice and hauls ass! lol


hehe:2f2f:

[BustedS13]

can you guys please go back to the junkyard forum you came from :(

[just a guy]

nope

suck my d**k

<a href="me again picture by radjad - Photobucket (http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/?action=view&current=DSC_0401.jpg)" target="_blank"><img src="http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/DSC_0401.jpg" border="0" alt="me again"></a>

[David B S12]

s12's fail so bad

i mean, omg u cant u cant use coilovers, because all i can do is do bolt ons and i cant spend more then 15 min putting a part on
hahahahaha


all ive known between my swap and shit ive never had to weld once.

im 18, bought this car with no prior car experience, and ive spent about $900 swap and suspension... and car.. isnt that the price of a 240 shell?
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC00576.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0440copy.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/0024.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC00974.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC_0006-1.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0779.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0762.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0763.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_0983.jpg
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/liquidice155/s12-3.jpg


its all about getting on track, for drifting, to be cheap, reliable, and good. and if your in this world to look pretty and talk shit then i consider you a total fag and you should go wet shine your tires or something and chill out

[yarou]

nope

suck my d**k

<a href="me again picture by radjad - Photobucket (http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/?action=view&current=DSC_0401.jpg)" target="_blank"><img src="http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx228/radjad/DSC_0401.jpg" border="0" alt="me again"></a>

You've been whoring these pictures all over and can't even put them in the right format. Stop feeding the trolls

[just a guy]

i dont give a fu#k

u guys talk shit about s12s
thats y i put pix of my car
and unlike ur s13-14 or whatever my car is one color
not falling apart
no zip ties
no dents
and it doesnt look like everyother 240 out there.

now im not talking shit about all s13
i have a 240
but im so fed up with people talking shit about s12 when there 240 is at home in there driveway
not running cuz they cant afford a running motor

make money, build ur car, and stfu

[silviaguy240]

you're s12 is still an 80's shitbox that is ugly as sin. and guess what? guess how many ive seen on the road? ZERO. ive seen more s30's, z31's, 240's, s130's hell ive seen more tesla roadsters in the past couple months than s12's in my life. fuck i even saw a caterham the other day on the road. never once seen an s12.

[brewster240]

actually, the s12 was the first to offer IRS, electronic fuel injection, and even option for turbo. in a sense it was the scratch paper that nissan used to get the drawings right for what the Silvia chassis became. Yeah that V6 is shit... but fuck that V6 is better than the NA KA ALL DAY!

s110 with z18, z22, and z24 had fuel injectin, and turbo. if you dont know what you are talking about dont try to argue.

i dont give a fu#k

u guys talk shit about s12s
thats y i put pix of my car
and unlike ur s13-14 or whatever my car is one color
not falling apart
no zip ties
no dents
and it doesnt look like everyother 240 out there.

now im not talking shit about all s13
i have a 240
but im so fed up with people talking shit about s12 when there 240 is at home in there driveway
not running cuz they cant afford a running motor

make money, build ur car, and stfu

the guy you just replied to has a nicer s12 then you.

[rage]

exhausts are cool.

[brewster240]

exhausts are cool.


i think the most important thing for you s12 guys is to make sure jeffwins doesnt get over here.

[David B S12]

**shrugs**
i like my car i dunno about you haters

you may call it "small" but it has almost same wheel base width and length as a 240?

and they weigh like the same?


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC00576.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/0024.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC00974.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC_0407.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC_0006-1.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0779.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0419copy.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0440copy.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0762.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0763.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2819.jpg
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/liquidice155/s12-3.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/win.jpg


i enjoy my nissan, just as much as i do all...

[just a guy]

s110 with z18, z22, and z24 had fuel injectin, and turbo. if you dont know what you are talking about dont try to argue.



the guy you just replied to has a nicer s12 then you.


i dont think sooooo

[rage]

i think the most important thing for you s12 guys is to make sure jeffwins doesnt get over here.

i wish i could ban him from the interwebs

[just a guy]

you're s12 is still an 80's shitbox that is ugly as sin. and guess what? guess how many ive seen on the road? ZERO. ive seen more s30's, z31's, 240's, s130's hell ive seen more tesla roadsters in the past couple months than s12's in my life. fuck i even saw a caterham the other day on the road. never once seen an s12.

thats my point

not everyone has one....
thats what makes it cool
why would u want to drive something everyone else has
(why would u go to a party with same shirt as everyone else)

i do agree that some s12s look like shit
but not all
and same goes for s13s

but not all suck so ya

[David B S12]

thats my point

not everyone has one....
thats what makes it cool
why would u want to drive something everyone else has
(why would u go to a party with same shirt as everyone else)

i do agree that some s12s look like shit
but not all
and same goes for s13s

but not all suck so ya


your taking him too seriously its just the interwebs

<3 my shitbox

im getting rear spacers tomorrow stfu
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0763.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/105_0779.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/0024.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC_0006-1.jpg

[yarou]

thats my point

not everyone has one....
thats what makes it cool
why would u want to drive something everyone else has
(why would u go to a party with same shirt as everyone else)

i do agree that some s12s look like shit
but not all
and same goes for s13s

but not all suck so ya

I don't see geo metros on the road anymore. Lets all drive those and be cool and original

[rage]

fuck i wish i had a 3 cyl, maybe i should swap in a cappuccino motor

[brewster240]

s12 owners like to pretend they are girls.

[David B S12]

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0419copy.jpg


http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0440copy.jpg


my sohc ka has a rotary in it

[just a guy]

s12 owners like to pretend they are girls.


haha
u almost got it right

we pretend ur girl wasnt with us
lol

[David B S12]

haha
u almost got it right

we pretend ur girl wasnt with us
lol
dude. stopp oh my god

[brewster240]

that doesnt make sense, and isnt funny.

you suck at jokes even more then you suck at posting pics.

[brewster240]

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0419copy.jpg


http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0440copy.jpg


my sohc ka has a rotary in it


yo you got that n/a turbo rotary with the big cams?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

[David B S12]

yea yea yea with the pistons and all that

[just a guy]

that doesnt make sense, and isnt funny.

you suck at jokes even more then you suck at posting pics.


im bored
and when im bored i talk shit
and so what i suck at posting pics

[brewster240]

gtr? runs 13s?

[rage]

that doesnt make sense, and isnt funny.

you suck at jokes even more then you suck at posting pics.

he probably doesnt know english, fob status

[David B S12]

im bored
and when im bored i talk shit
and so what i suck at posting pics
get offline and go then sit here and talk shit to people on the forums, your wasting our time, and you do fail at posting pics, and at posting in general
just because you have a s12 doesnt mean you can go spite everyone else, nor can you argue like a little girl because you dont agree with what he said

[just a guy]

i dont talk shit on all forums
just on the ones were people talk shit about s12s
anyways

[BustedS13]

motion to lock

[240SXsaint]

people hate the s12 because it wasnt in initial d or tokyo drift lol

[brewster240]

maybe you should make a motion to go outside.

66xx posts?

[brewster240]

people hate the s12 because it wasnt in initial d or tokyo drift lol


yeah it has nothing to do with personal taste. or the shitty semi trailing arm rear suspension.

you're right, you figured it out.

[just a guy]

yeah it has nothing to do with personal taste. or the shitty semi trailing arm rear suspension.

you're right, you figured it out.

people hate s12s cuz limited parts
hard to set up coils or anything to do with suspension
no body kits

[FaLKoN240]

people hate s12s cuz limited parts
hard to set up coils or anything to do with suspension
no body kits

You forgot to add ugly.

I vote lock.

[85turbo_s12]

no people hate the s12 because they rather follow than lead

[85turbo_s12]

I too motion for a lock because this shit is going nowhere quick

[brewster240]

you dont like what i like so you're wrong!!


yeah, good point.

[Orly? Yarly.]

i think the most important thing for you s12 guys is to make sure jeffwins doesnt get over here.
i think he's s12 drifter or some bullshit

zilvia can have him

[David B S12]

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Hyperfest2009/_MG_0509copy.jpg
http://sccphotography.smugmug.com/photos/569342708_ssSHD-L.jpg

i still see win

[soreballz]

^Goddamn, please stop posting pictures of that ugly shitbox.


Of all the S12s posted in this thread, only ONE of them has been good looking (Yarou/Henry's). That's fairly pathetic.

[just a guy]

it might not be the best lookin s12
but at least he getting sideways on the track and having fun

[David B S12]

^Goddamn, please stop posting pictures of that ugly shitbox.


Of all the S12s posted in this thread, only ONE of them has been good looking (Yarou/Henry's). That's fairly pathetic.
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs095.snc1/4962_94396453226_637628226_2068972_4228749_n.jpg

theres a black guy driving my s12

[FoxFire]

some of you are amazingly stupid on this forum. i just came on here to show the s12 some love.


my s12 which is soon to be twin turbo vg30e and im shooting for 800whp
Vg30ett Into My 200sx Se - Club-S12.org (http://www.club-s12.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26992&st=0)

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/34/l_8fb225e81e536179d868af15e9fb7785.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3788/1004752tt6.jpg

i got the right to talk shit cuz i own most the cars mentioned here
and so far the celica supra and the s12drive the nicest.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2680/firsttriptoeuropandallcgz9.jpg


and what the fuck is a zilvia.

its either a Z or a silvia. what a fucking stupid name for a nissian forum

falcon240 and ixfxi are useless and i bet all the posts they have are talking shit about everything on a stupid ass forum called zilvia

[David B S12]

^Goddamn, please stop posting pictures of that ugly shitbox.


Of all the S12s posted in this thread, only ONE of them has been good looking (Yarou/Henry's). That's fairly pathetic.

why are you all on henrys balls so hard?

[S12 Drifter]

i think the most important thing for you s12 guys is to make sure jeffwins doesnt get over here.

too late. lmao

HAI GUISE! :ugh: :eek3:

BTW David B that lil CA20E is KILLIN IT lol sweet man....

http://www.coders4fun.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/lock.png

Z31 and S12 FTW, it's and acquired taste.

[irax]

in before the lock

[Leegamer]

too late. lmao

HAI GUISE! :ugh: :eek3:

BTW David B that lil CA20E is KILLIN IT lol sweet man....

http://www.coders4fun.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/lock.png

Z31 and S12 FTW, it's and acquired taste.


Way to not know the difference between a KA24E and CA20E.

[drift freaq]

some of you are amazingly stupid on this forum. i just came on here to show the s12 some love.


and what the fuck is a zilvia.

its either a Z or a silvia. what a fucking stupid name for a nissian forum

falcon240 and ixfxi are useless and i bet all the posts they have are talking shit about everything on a stupid ass forum called zilvia

Dude your new here, and at this point your pulling a complete TROLL post. While you may have a nice collection of 80's and late 80's model cars?

Fact is you don't know shit about the people your are talking crap about. I suggest you stop trying to stir the pot i.e. create more trouble by talking shit and go somewhere else.

Otherwise you might try reading and getting to know people before just randomly talking down people that are just stating truths. Truths a lot a of you just don't want to hear.

Oh and shut the fuck up with troll posts like above. You don't like it here don't fucking post here or come here. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out either.


Oh and mods please lock this awful excuse of a thread.

[Leegamer]

Instead of locking it, why not delete all the worthless posts and let this thread be what it was meant to be, a roll-call of S12 owners.

I have an 84 notch and an 87 Hatch, both CA20 cars, but the 84 will be Ka24DE powered soon.

[S12 Drifter]

Otherwise you might try reading and getting to know people before just randomly talking down people that are just stating truths.

This shit made me lawl made hard ha ha ha ha

Look everyone has a opinion, ANY CAR can be made to out perform another.

I agree 100% with Foxfire if your gonna call someone out for trolling, call out falcon240 and ixfxi because their just adding to the trolling.

Just because it's old doesn't mean it's garbage, look at the 1965 GTO that thing is such a beauty, or the 1905 Ford T-models, done properly those cars would look sick!

Truths a lot a of you just don't want to hear.and again! it's purely opinion, just because you say the S12 is ugly doesn't mean it's truth, thats YOUR opinion.

PS: leegamer thought that was the S12 David b had the CA20e in. i can't keep up with what he swaps in or out lol.

[Arro]

*sigh*

Too many things to reply to. I'll stick to a few.

i still think that henry's S12 is probably the nicest one in the world. many a day i was there in his garage eating his hot pockets while he was working on it, and that bitch has a ridiculous amount of attention to detail.

...oh and that exhaust he has, hella cool.

Henry's car is... fucking tits. I haven't seen it personally, but I know enough about it to know it's pretty slick. One of the best I've seen online. That said, it's not the best in the world, and for 2009 there is a calendar that has 12 amazing cars in it, some of which are possibly the best in the world. I have some amazing shots, and some of those cars have amazing specs. Still, Henry's car is definitely on-par with them, and only didn't get in the calendar because I have a stubborn dislike for mismatched wheel sets (nothing against Henry or his car).

actually, the s12 was the first to offer IRS, electronic fuel injection, and even option for turbo. in a sense it was the scratch paper that nissan used to get the drawings right for what the Silvia chassis became. Yeah that V6 is shit... but fuck that V6 is better than the NA KA ALL DAY!

It was the first S-chassis w/ IRS, but IRS was in the first-generation Z cars long before that (starting with the 240z). Also, fuel injection was offered in the S110 (Z22E, the "E" stands for "EFI"... also has "EFI" stamped on the manifold). The S110 came in a turbo version in Japan, the Z18ET.

The S12 was indeed a turning point for Nissan's development team. It was indeed a test-bed for many new ideas, and the electronics and other features offered in those cars were leaps and bounds better and more innovative than the preceding S110. That said, it was also very 80's... in both the best and the worst ways.

Oh and those of you ignorant dolts who talk smack on the VG30E have not done your homework, the stock longblocks are quite stout and with careful tuning and some forced induction, they put down the numbers. You might have well said "all RB20's are a waste". Which is another ignorant statement I see sometimes.

its a hate it or love it car. i didn't like my s12 at first but when i started fixing it up i started to like it.


This is possibly the truest statement in this whole thread, and gets right to the point -- any of you asshats talking about "ugly" this and "ugly" that need to remember that automobiles are, in terms of looks, VERY subjective. For you lower intellects, that means it's about personal taste. Honestly I sought out these cars long before there was a support community, BECAUSE I quite literally wanted "a lightweight 80's shitbox hatchback w/ potential".

I came from the DSM camp. Those assholes think their cars are touched by God. Of course they forget their fucktastic crappy gearboxes, or their crankwalking second gen engines, or their heads that love to warp, but their cars can be made fast, and look nice and round and ricey. I picked the S12 because I was tired of the DSM community's narrow-mindedness. A narrow-mindedness that some of you here seem to possess in spades.

S12 is VERY FUCKING EIGHTIES. You either LIKE 80's cars or YOU DO NOT. If YOU DO NOT, whatever. Just don't go up to someone who does (online or otherwise) and wave your virtual cock as if your personal preference in automotive styling is the end-all, be-all. It makes you look like you don't get your knob polished often enough (or at all), or like you have any other number of personal insecurity resulting in a pathetic bully complex (which Henry best pinned as a "troll" ;) ).

If you want to talk tech, however...

S12 has semi-trailing arms. Yes, they're a bitch when you dump it. Yes, they aren't anywhere near as advanced as the S13 multi-link suspension. However with some attention, and a little modification, you can make the semi-trailing design work for you. They can indeed handle nicely given that attention. The real advantage to these cars:

1. cost
2. weight
3. engine swap choices

Given those three things, the S12 beats the S13 hands down. It costs less. Someone on here made mention of the fact that the chassis themselves are cheap and easy to come by. I just bought another one for 100 bux, and it's solid.

They weigh less. They take to further weight reduction better. 'Nuff said.

And the engine swap choices are... well fuck, they're THE SAME as whatever any S13 or S14 can do. SR, KA, FJ.... whatever can fit in an S13 or S14 can fit into an S12. Period. And even the stock CA18ET turbo engine in the turbo S12 is nothing to shy at, we've had some people tune those engines into relatively quick numbers, with one guy breaking into 12's on the strip w/ a full-interior car. And before some dumbass comments on that, drag racing is a powertrain test bed, not a handling evaluation. I have nothing against drag racing, and I like drifting and grippy road rading and all-terrain rally, too. Which BTW, there have been successful S12's in all of those racing forms I just mentioned.

S12 isn't a bad platform. It has its good. It has its bad. It's NOT for everyone. But NO CAR IS. But it has plenty of potential and in the right hands can be tuned and can perform quite nicely. AND, if you like the 80's hatchback thing, then why not?

i think the most important thing for you s12 guys is to make sure jeffwins doesnt get over here.

Shit, ain't that the truth :P Nice guy but damn...

You know I forget *the specifics* why you were locked out (in fact I don't even rememebr that happening...?), but you can either contact me about it and get back in, or be a woman about it like Henry was and boycott us :eyeroll-maximus: . Honestly I think you say funny shit and have technical contributions but beyond that I don't care either way, it's up to you.

[ixfxi]

I wouldn't even bother going on another forum to defend an S13, I know its a piece of shit.

But comparing piece of shit to another piece of shit the S13 wins HANDS DOWN.

hahahahahahahah amen!!!!!




http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/DSC_0006-1.jpg
^^ who let the ugly girl in the picture, get the fuck outta here!


hahaha i love this thread, keep it going.


because of my hate for this car, we've got an all out car-forum war between the s12 community (sum total of 12 people worldwide, including brazil) and the folks on zilvia who have enough sense to call an ugly car UGLY.


whats next, we're going to drive the Pontiac Aztec RALLIART because its rare? get the fuck outta here dude, your shit is bunk. if you had any sense, you'de sell your pile of shit to the scrappers, collect the 12 cents worth for the metal, and buy yourself a coke.

VG a great motor? VG motors suck balls. good luck working on that pile of shit, no one enjoys working on that fucking car.

[brewster240]

*sigh*

Too many things to reply to. I'll stick to a few.



Henry's car is... fucking tits. I haven't seen it personally, but I know enough about it to know it's pretty slick. One of the best I've seen online. That said, it's not the best in the world, and for 2009 there is a calendar that has 12 amazing cars in it, some of which are possibly the best in the world. I have some amazing shots, and some of those cars have amazing specs. Still, Henry's car is definitely on-par with them, and only didn't get in the calendar because I have a stubborn dislike for mismatched wheel sets (nothing against Henry or his car).



It was the first S-chassis w/ IRS, but IRS was in the first-generation Z cars long before that (starting with the 240z). Also, fuel injection was offered in the S110 (Z22E, the "E" stands for "EFI"... also has "EFI" stamped on the manifold). The S110 came in a turbo version in Japan, the Z18ET.

The S12 was indeed a turning point for Nissan's development team. It was indeed a test-bed for many new ideas, and the electronics and other features offered in those cars were leaps and bounds better and more innovative than the preceding S110. That said, it was also very 80's... in both the best and the worst ways.

Oh and those of you ignorant dolts who talk smack on the VG30E have not done your homework, the stock longblocks are quite stout and with careful tuning and some forced induction, they put down the numbers. You might have well said "all RB20's are a waste". Which is another ignorant statement I see sometimes.




This is possibly the truest statement in this whole thread, and gets right to the point -- any of you asshats talking about "ugly" this and "ugly" that need to remember that automobiles are, in terms of looks, VERY subjective. For you lower intellects, that means it's about personal taste. Honestly I sought out these cars long before there was a support community, BECAUSE I quite literally wanted "a lightweight 80's shitbox hatchback w/ potential".

I came from the DSM camp. Those assholes think their cars are touched by God. Of course they forget their fucktastic crappy gearboxes, or their crankwalking second gen engines, or their heads that love to warp, but their cars can be made fast, and look nice and round and ricey. I picked the S12 because I was tired of the DSM community's narrow-mindedness. A narrow-mindedness that some of you here seem to possess in spades.

S12 is VERY FUCKING EIGHTIES. You either LIKE 80's cars or YOU DO NOT. If YOU DO NOT, whatever. Just don't go up to someone who does (online or otherwise) and wave your virtual cock as if your personal preference in automotive styling is the end-all, be-all. It makes you look like you don't get your knob polished often enough (or at all), or like you have any other number of personal insecurity resulting in a pathetic bully complex (which Henry best pinned as a "troll" ;) ).

If you want to talk tech, however...

S12 has semi-trailing arms. Yes, they're a bitch when you dump it. Yes, they aren't anywhere near as advanced as the S13 multi-link suspension. However with some attention, and a little modification, you can make the semi-trailing design work for you. They can indeed handle nicely given that attention. The real advantage to these cars:

1. cost
2. weight
3. engine swap choices

Given those three things, the S12 beats the S13 hands down. It costs less. Someone on here made mention of the fact that the chassis themselves are cheap and easy to come by. I just bought another one for 100 bux, and it's solid.

They weigh less. They take to further weight reduction better. 'Nuff said.

And the engine swap choices are... well fuck, they're THE SAME as whatever any S13 or S14 can do. SR, KA, FJ.... whatever can fit in an S13 or S14 can fit into an S12. Period. And even the stock CA18ET turbo engine in the turbo S12 is nothing to shy at, we've had some people tune those engines into relatively quick numbers, with one guy breaking into 12's on the strip w/ a full-interior car. And before some dumbass comments on that, drag racing is a powertrain test bed, not a handling evaluation. I have nothing against drag racing, and I like drifting and grippy road rading and all-terrain rally, too. Which BTW, there have been successful S12's in all of those racing forms I just mentioned.

S12 isn't a bad platform. It has its good. It has its bad. It's NOT for everyone. But NO CAR IS. But it has plenty of potential and in the right hands can be tuned and can perform quite nicely. AND, if you like the 80's hatchback thing, then why not?



Shit, ain't that the truth :P Nice guy but damn...

You know I forget *the specifics* why you were locked out (in fact I don't even rememebr that happening...?), but you can either contact me about it and get back in, or be a woman about it like Henry was and boycott us :eyeroll-maximus: . Honestly I think you say funny shit and have technical contributions but beyond that I don't care either way, it's up to you.


i cant contact you, im ip banned.

also, 510 had irs before s30.

[ixfxi]

That guy IXFXI seems like a douche.
I know that gut was pissing me off fuck.....
he can go suck a fucking cock.
pos shit... calling the Z31 and S12 crap.
ignore the fucker. I deal with that shit everyday "Z31's suck, should get a evo"
i don't want no fucking AWD pos 4 cylinder.

haha I agree with the last guy, but picture this... at least with the evo you'll probably be able to impress teenaged asian girls and probably get laid. First time for everything.. :-)


i like when ifixi said that tanabe doesnt make the medalion exhaust for the S12. but they make it for baller cars like the insight and cube. WTF is this guy talking about?! no shit tanabe doesnt make a $600+ exhaust for our car. most s12 owners wont pay that much for some high-priced "name-brand" bullshit.

I'm glad this guy was able to partially comprehend my sarcasm, much of which was going with the running Tanabe joke we've been throwing around lately. But in all honesty, if Tanabe makes their product for econoboxes like the Insight and Cube, it must make you wonder why they dont bother with the S12. Why? Becuase you guys are broke and dont put any money into your cars.


I didn't know they knew our cars existed.
FA doesn't even acknowledge the S12 on the "classics" section.

Wow, even shitty forums like FA know not to waste their bandwidth with the S12!


It's actually kind of funny. I'll take my S12 and Z31 over a SR-swapped S13 anything. I'd hate to drive the same car as EVERYONE else.

I wonder if this person realizes that S13's are equally as ancient and finding a clean chassis worth building is not an easy task. It must be hard to understand when you own a car that just sucks, because most people recycle their S12 at the scrapyard as opposed to actually building it to perform and look nice (which as we all know, is an impossibility). :-)

---------

Jokes aside, I think the biggest difference between the S12 and S13 are:
1) S13 stock looks good, S12 does not. S13 has potential to look even hotter, S12 does not.
2) Even though we have many cheap/broke 240 owners, there are still some of us (me) who put good money into their car. S12 owners on the other hand, dont. You dont see people build them or try to collect them.

The only people who collect S12's are the folks who collect cans and bottles. Leave an S12 near a recycling center and they'll give you 12 cents.


hahah i love this thread!!!! TANABE FTW!

[SochBAT]

I've always like S12s.

[Ashtony]

Cool thread, I will be getting an s12 stock pretty soon, cant wait.

[FaLKoN240]

It's funny that everyone keeps trying to rebuke me by stating what I had previously stated.

"OH YEAH?! WELL MY CAR IS GONNA HAVE LIKE 124781948 HP WITH THIS MOTOR SWAP!"

"OH YEAH?! WELL WITH THIS SUSPENSION SWAP FROM A CAR THAT'S WAY BETTER MY 23 YEAR OLD CAR WILL OUT HANDLE YOUR 20 YEAR OLD CAR!"

Way to go and prove my point guys.

Thanks for not arguing about the way that the fucking thing looks at least you know you're defeated there.

[Arro]

This "ixfxi" guy is still going on about "ugly" and looks. I notice he didn't have anything to say about my own comments, because I basically invalidate his point. All he has is semi-clever jabs at his intended target (S12's in this case). I suppose that isolates him as... the troll?

Probably.

Any of you guys who keep on about looks are basically barking up the wrong tree. It's a nitche car.

And insofar as the suspension, we don't need to go with S13 front conversions. There is a guy who makes us coilover suspension, and with just lowering springs and upgraded struts/shocks, the S12 handles quite well. So yes, we can keep it all-S12 spec suspension and do fine.

[ixfxi]

Oh damn, get this... I just googled the NISSAN 200SX and guess what comes up (see attached).......


.......even fuckin GOOGLE doesnt care about the S12, its as if the car never existed! Sneeky google & nissan collaborating to eliminate the S12 from the internets! thats sseeeerioussss

[NeedCAforS13]

I lol'd at this thread.

[zilvia_brothers]

Oh damn, get this... I just googled the NISSAN 200SX and guess what comes up (see attached).......


.......even fuckin GOOGLE doesnt care about the S12, its as if the car never existed! Sneeky google & nissan collaborating to eliminate the S12 from the internets! thats sseeeerioussss

googling a nissan 200sx is pretty vague. since s13 and s14 are considered 200sx everywhere else besides the US

[turbo85s12]

i like the s12,s13,s14,s15...but i like the s12 the most..and plus u see an s13 at every stop light.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/rondabigmon/IMG_2800.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/rondabigmon/mys12.jpg

[Arro]

googling a nissan 200sx is pretty vague. since s13 and s14 are considered 200sx everywhere else besides the US

Not to mention the B series chassis in the 90's were "200sx's".

[ixfxi]

googling a nissan 200sx is pretty vague. since s13 and s14 are considered 200sx everywhere else besides the US

NO OOOO WAAAAAAY! Really? I saw a car the other day with a badge that said "Fairlady" i was like wow, this guy must be ghey. Amazing thing, theres a website nowadays called Wikiperdia that tells you all about that kinda stuff. You know, if your resourceful and not old like me... who actually used to spend his time on MAILING LISTS learning about this stuff!



get this, ive been tripping out at this google dilemma.. i mean, there's no way they could have really deleted the S12 from the image search.

so.......


i started thinking and i did a normal text search, and typed in "nissan s12"

google auto-corrected my search and suggested "Did you really mean NISSAN SILVIA" and listed S13, S14 and S15!!!!

holy shit.....



well folks, thats enough of this nonsense. back to work, you know.. what us successful people do. i bet all the s12 owners live with their parents at home and are spending their time playing warcraft. nite nite

JimnyNa3tM0

TURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBO!!!

[neoninja]

^^^ being annoying on purpose FTL

[FoxFire]

Dude your new here, and at this point your pulling a complete TROLL post. While you may have a nice collection of 80's and late 80's model cars?

Fact is you don't know shit about the people your are talking crap about. I suggest you stop trying to stir the pot i.e. create more trouble by talking shit and go somewhere else.

Otherwise you might try reading and getting to know people before just randomly talking down people that are just stating truths. Truths a lot a of you just don't want to hear.

Oh and shut the fuck up with troll posts like above. You don't like it here don't fucking post here or come here. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out either.


Oh and mods please lock this awful excuse of a thread.


your the one shitting in an S12 rolecall thread. At least i posted up my car. but i had some shit to talk to the idiots on the forum.



its the ricers posts like yours that make people talk shit about fresh alloy and zilvia. i mean come on, you got like 10k post and you still shit in topics all day long. i guess thats how you got so many posts.

thats one huge pile of typed shit.

[Arro]

so.......

i started thinking and i did a normal text search, and typed in "nissan s12"

google auto-corrected my search and suggested "Did you really mean NISSAN SILVIA" and listed S13, S14 and S15!!!!

holy shit.....

What was that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/arrospeed/pwnage.jpg

Asshat.

[atinpanalley]

well folks, thats enough of this nonsense. back to work, you know.. what us successful people do. i bet all the s12 owners live with their parents at home and are spending their time playing warcraft. nite nite



I despise World of Warcraft and I just bought my first house. I turn 23 next month.

edit: And I'm already AT work.

[NeedCAforS13]

plus u see an s13 at every stop light.

Great point. Lets all run out and get some really shitty old car, JUST because you don't see them at stoplights as much as another almost equally shitty old car! YES.

You S12 guys are missing the humor altogether.

[Leegamer]

So far all this thread has pointed out is how closed-minded several people on this forum are. Any real car enthusiast can understand that any car has its pros and cons. The S13 may have a huge aftermarket, but it's hard to find one that hasn't been killed by every other douchebag "drifter" and their brother. Most S12s you find are owned by people who use them for basic transport and are generally in pretty good shape and can be had for cheap.

S13-Big aftermarket, but expensive, lot of info on motorswaps, lots of available knowledge
S12-Cheap to buy, most s13 suspension can be adapted, motor swaps are endless, fairly lightweight, horrible semi-trailing arm rear suspension

Both cars are capable...both have their pros and cons

Personally I prefer 80s styling and love boxy hatchbacks, therefore I'm more interested in the S12. It's also nice to own a car that not everyone has. I like S13s and I like S14s, but to me they aren't worth the average price of buying one.

The s12 on the other hand can be a very cheap car to put together. Note David B's build.

This is all I can say at this point. Calling an S12 ugly over and over just proves your a bored douchebag who feels good about yourself when you make fun of things on the internet. Welcome to the internet; anyone can say anything they want fairly anonymously.

[KDL323]

You guys are just jealous because older cars like ours require so much more soul, dedication, patience and love. supposed to where all you s13 and s14 guys just log onto a website, get the mod you want and BAM there it is.
Where as us s12 guys, we got more love for our cars cause it requires more dedication and patience to make it the way we want and not like every other 240 out there.

[NeedCAforS13]

Did somebody post a link to Zilvia from Club-S12 or something? All these people with <20 posts are coming out of nowhere.

[Leegamer]

Did somebody post a link to Zilvia from Club-S12 or something? All these people with <20 posts are coming out of nowhere.

See that thing at the bottom called "linkback?" Haha.

[zilvia_brothers]

NO OOOO WAAAAAAY! Really? I saw a car the other day with a badge that said "Fairlady" i was like wow, this guy must be ghey. Amazing thing, theres a website nowadays called Wikiperdia that tells you all about that kinda stuff. You know, if your resourceful and not old like me... who actually used to spend his time on MAILING LISTS learning about this stuff!



get this, ive been tripping out at this google dilemma.. i mean, there's no way they could have really deleted the S12 from the image search.

so.......


i started thinking and i did a normal text search, and typed in "nissan s12"

google auto-corrected my search and suggested "Did you really mean NISSAN SILVIA" and listed S13, S14 and S15!!!!

holy shit.....



well folks, thats enough of this nonsense. back to work, you know.. what us successful people do. i bet all the s12 owners live with their parents at home and are spending their time playing warcraft. nite nite

JimnyNa3tM0

TURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBO!!!

all im saying is that when u google search nissan 200sx its pretty vague. an s12 isnt as favored compared to other s-chassis

and im successful in life, i work as a respiratory therapist

[NeedCAforS13]

See that thing at the bottom called "linkback?" Haha.

LOL. I don't think I ever noticed that before...

[FoxFire]

Did somebody post a link to Zilvia from Club-S12 or something? All these people with <20 posts are coming out of nowhere.


i've been on this forum for 10 hours and this will be my 3rd post.
and even i know this forum has a link back area.

look at the bottom of the page and you will see it.

[Arro]

I lurk a lot on Zlivia. I also have a KA in my S12 so being on here has its advantages when searching for info or asking questions. I only spoke up because a few idiots need to be spanked.

[ThatGuy]

This thread is over. There is nothing productive here.

To all visiotrs coming from points outside of Zilvia. Thanks for looking, but if your just here to talk trash, please leave. This will not become some sort of inter-forum war.

Topic is done. :lockd: