probably going to get ripped on for this, but... knock-off seats?

[thisisastickup]

is it a bad idea to buy knock-off bride seats like these:

Bride Gias Low Max Seats (http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/1187151368.html)

i mean, that's about half the cost of buying two legit ones, and they really look the same. is the quality that much worse? will everybody know they're knockoffs? are they less confortable? i don't plan on playing it off as the real thing, but i'm not going to go telling people they're fake, either. if it does make a huge difference, i'll probably buy a legit driver's seat and a knockoff passenger seat.

[apex]

http://zilvia.net/f/group-buys/243333-bucket-seats-budget-group-buy.html

i think the group buy is over but u can still get seats from the poster

[ThatGuy]

Save your money.

Buy quality parts ONCE, instead of buying shit multiple times.

[thisisastickup]

that's probably what i'll do. is it still a bad idea to buy a knock off passenger seat? it won't get used alot, so it's not like it'll fall apart(is it?)?

[ThatGuy]

Buying knock-offs is ALWAYS a bad idea.

[FaLKoN240]

I bought the ones from that group buy because they were cheap blanks.

If I buy something that LOOKS like the real thing, it better BE the real thing.

[S14Cuhh]

Save your money.

Buy quality parts ONCE, instead of buying shit multiple times.
this guy is right.


yet, i keep buying sportmaxxs over and over again :'[

[Teknolust72]

that's probably what i'll do. is it still a bad idea to buy a knock off passenger seat? it won't get used alot, so it's not like it'll fall apart(is it?)?

So you don't get care if your passenger suffers major back injuries in an accident due to faulty tilt/lock mechanisms.....? Check around for people with other replica Gias seats, and almost all the time their tilt/lock mechanisms start to wear out, and the seat will flop around.

[Matej]

You will die instantly. And people will make fun of your dignity at your funeral. You are supposed to have pride in your 20-year old car. You do not want to drive down the street and have everyone pointing at you saying, "Look, that guy only spent 750$, instead of 2000$, on seats for his car!" do you? Stop destroying the industry.

[gsxr141]

i think i got your sarcasm.

[MandTPhotography]

You will die instantly. And people will make fun of your dignity at your funeral. You are supposed to have pride in your 20-year old car. You do not want to drive down the street and have everyone pointing at you saying, "Look, that guy only spent 750$, instead of 2000$, on seats for his car!" do you? Stop destroying the industry.

Lolololololololol.
:D

You just asked about knockoffs on Zilvia....I'd get the seats though, they are comfortable as 'eff and who gives a shat if they are knockoffs. They are still seats.

If the whole tilt thing bothers you weld that shit solid.

A buddy of mine has these in his Subie and they are great.

[Fonix36]

I personally wouldnt by them however,
that shit looks clean get them

[IIIXziuR]

I would just get the stock seats wrapped in leather with LV insert. And possibly with your name embroidered on head rest. Script Font.

[murda-c]

It's hard to tell on the quality.

Buy some and stress test them lol.

[Brian]

I don't see the point in modifying your car if you can't afford to do it right.

[murda-c]

Maybe you'll get lucky and those will be good seats?

if they are good seats then there's nothin wrong with buying them

(cept for the fact that you won't know if they are good unless you test them...by crashing, lol)

[OBEEWON]

If I could afford the crap I REALLY wanted for this car I wouldn't be driving a 240 lol.

[gsxr141]

amen to that.

[THE PROPHET]

I have one of Jackson seats, bout it a while ago and let me tell you guys...they are really good seats. I have compared them to the real thing and i was really surprised. I don't know about other knock-off stuff. Peopel are right that with knock-off, you get what you pay for but JXN's seats are legit especially for the price.

[aNskY]

If I could afford the crap I REALLY wanted for this car I wouldn't be driving a 240 lol.


seriously, all the ppl saying "knock offs are ALWAYS a bad idea" are the same ones who run primer and zip ties holding all their cracked body work on.

fuck it, it's your car, run what you want.

[Brian]

seriously, all the ppl saying "knock offs are ALWAYS a bad idea" are the same ones who run primer and zip ties holding all their cracked body work on.

fuck it, it's your car, run what you want.

You are so right.
http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/0512091649.jpg

props.

[aNskY]

I don't see the point in modifying your car if you can't afford to do it right.

You are so right.
http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/0512091649.jpg

props.


:keke:


your idea of "doing it right" isn't the same as everyone else's... no matter how many kids on here swing from your nuts

[bboyoracle]

i don't see the point in modifying your car if you can't afford to do it right.

qft !!!!!!!

[Brian]

What is a "swing from the nuts" ?

[Maiku240sxS14]

I would NOT buy a knock-off if its something important. Is your life really something you want to save a couple hundred on? You maybe a safe driver but its all the other dick heads out there. I wouldn't buy them.

[bruceguy]

i bet half of the fuckers on here have a bolt or screw missing in there rails!

for most cars, any bucket seat is safer than stock, JUST PUT A PROPER HARNESS KIDS!

bucket seat aint shit if you cant stay in it while wrecking.

[Brian]

bucket seat plus stock seatbelt "fo life"

[murda-c]

I say you get it i've only heard good things about those replicas.

[Brian]

I love that frog

http://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gifhttp://zilvia.net/f/avatars/murda-c.gif

[Jimmy Up]

I am very surprised this thread hasnt wandered off yet...


I rock a jXn seat- I love it, it was cheap, it doesnt flex, it holds me tight :D

[usajdm]

So I dont get it...............
The "blank" seats from JXN are good.
But if you print a logo on the same seat, then all the sudden its a shit knock-off that will surely be the cause of your own death?:loco:
Wow, the thread used for the Bride logo must have structure destroying acid in it that causes the seat to deteriorate.:cj:
Thank god I got the blank ones........

[Teknolust72]

There is actually a lot of science in making a quality FRP, CFRP and Carbon Kevlar seats. A lot of factors need to be acknowledged in terms of safety.

Fiberglass will degrade due to vibration and heat, and even from your own weight of your body. There's a reason why FIA approval on seats only lasts a certain amount of time; because the fiberglass begins to deteriorate and will not provide enough support in an accident. Imagine cradling over 100 lbs on top of a fiberglass sheet the same thickness of what a seat would be. The fiberglass will immediately bend under that weight. It might not break right away, but as it goes through heat cycles it will eventually deform and become brittle. And just like most of the brittle replica bodykits out there, it will snap with relative ease.

Now, look at your generic, non-FIA seat. What form of safety tests did they think about when they made that seat. I would assume NONE! For all you know, it could be the same crappy fiberglass as all those fake vertex kits floating around. Now how safe do you feel?

Don't even get me started on generic, no-name racing harnesses......

[robtech]

^^or the people with good harnesses but go straight from the shoulder holes in the seat to floor.

[kalypso123]

g35 seats ... http://www.nicoclub.com/Noah/facepalm.gif

[fromxtor]

Although I avoid "knock-offs" at all cost, I am going to play devil's advocate here.

Lets say you buy a APEX-i N1 exhaust new for $599.99 (price listed on their site), and someone else buys the APEX-i N1 muffler and goes down to Bob's muffler and gets it welded on to some stainless pipe and a resonator. BAM! Same damn thing, except you saved $4XX for a hunk of metal and a boat ride.

Given seats, harness, things that are detrimental to your safety/engine life etc, SHOULD be quality. BUT that doesn't mean some guy who paid less for his amercian racing wheel torque thrusts (knock offs of the original mustang wheels) to replace the steelies on his stang, should be clowned because he's not rocking OEM ford wheels with horrible sunken battleship offsets. This also applies to my $60 moroso breather tank/ catch can, should I feel sorry I didnt buy a Greddy unit and spend $100 to have it shipped to me? Hell no.

As a matter of fact I would trade my ARC oil pan anyday, for moroso unit. Forgive me for not buying into the hype.

That being said, I would not buy seats that have not been track/safety tested...period.

[jamg]

how would you guys compare these to the blank seats sold on this site?

[xdabsx]

they look better than stock

[turbo_dreams]

Anything is better then a pair of 15-19 year old s13 torn cloth seats that's had god knows how many peoples sweat on them, because we all know we're not the original owners.

[IIIXziuR]

I think it's fine so long as they're plain or are not a blatant knock-off of with logos and name tags of a 'brand name' maker. Faking the funk is just silly. A cheap upgrade for the beat-up seats is understandable though.

[aNskY]

Although I avoid "knock-offs" at all cost, I am going to play devil's advocate here.

Lets say you buy a APEX-i N1 exhaust new for $599.99 (price listed on their site), and someone else buys the APEX-i N1 muffler and goes down to Bob's muffler and gets it welded on to some stainless pipe and a resonator. BAM! Same damn thing, except you saved $4XX for a hunk of metal and a boat ride.

Given seats, harness, things that are detrimental to your safety/engine life etc, SHOULD be quality. BUT that doesn't mean some guy who paid less for his amercian racing wheel torque thrusts (knock offs of the original mustang wheels) to replace the steelies on his stang, should be clowned because he's not rocking OEM ford wheels with horrible sunken battleship offsets. This also applies to my $60 moroso breather tank/ catch can, should I feel sorry I didnt buy a Greddy unit and spend $100 to have it shipped to me? Hell no.

As a matter of fact I would trade my ARC oil pan anyday, for moroso unit. Forgive me for not buying into the hype.

That being said, I would not buy seats that have not been track/safety tested...period.


+ fucking 1

[cemtoes]

My buddy bought a knockoff viosIII just because...and we put it side by side with my real one and they pretty much look identical. The stitching is a little bit different and the guards for the harness holes are a bit loose and his back is red. Everything else was the same hell they even felt exactly the same. I have only two main concerns though, the actual craftsmanship and structual integrity of the seat and they aren't FIA approved so if you're going to a major track event you won't pass tech.

I wonder how many fakes are out there....I see cars with Brides all the time..wonder if any of them were fakes hmmm. eh who cares.

[kalypso123]

^ me too, im starting to be less convinced when I see bride on the head rest.

g35 seat ftw

[mmdb]

I used to have a knock off gias seat. It was originally sold to me by a self-proclaimed dealer. After 2 weeks the seam started coming apart. Luckily I held the dealer to sign a written contract to refund my money. According to the official Bride, the seats are getting more an more like the original, but ultimately not the same quality. Always buy it from a dealer..

[ericcastro]

I would just buy the cheap no name seats from JXN and not knocks offs.

Knock offs are like fake designer shit, and no name is just cheap priced stuff without the name.

A surprisingly large amount of people on this site and others run JXN's seats and harness combo. And for less then those seats, you could prolly get a harness bar too!

I would prefer a new no name seat than my 20 year old s13 seat.
I rarely reply to these threads though.
there are too many bench racers on the forum that talk alot of talk while they work on building the "coolest" $1500 car over a 7-12 year period.

I bought mine and was on the track that month, and every month for over 2 years.
And I run no name tires too. and started on used tires. and welded diff. and ebay steering wheel, no name short shifter, no name quik release hub................

[dynamicck]

Quick story...
Knew someone who cheap knock off seats. Fake SPG seats.

Long story short, the fiberglass cracked/ripped/broke at the seat base where it mounts during an accident. Seat fell back, legs squished into pedals/steering column.
Hospital for months.

One more, had a customer from Europe, his friend bought some knock off seats. Gotten into an accident, the bucket seat snapped in half. Couldn't support his weight. Imagine the fun the doctors had pulling out all the fiberglass out of his back.

It might not happen to you, but it will NEVER happen to me.

[ixfxi]

I would just buy the cheap no name seats from JXN and not knocks offs.

Knock offs are like fake designer shit, and no name is just cheap priced stuff without the name.

A surprisingly large amount of people on this site and others run JXN's seats and harness combo. And for less then those seats, you could prolly get a harness bar too!

I would prefer a new no name seat than my 20 year old s13 seat.
I rarely reply to these threads though.
there are too many bench racers on the forum that talk alot of talk while they work on building the "coolest" $1500 car over a 7-12 year period.

I bought mine and was on the track that month, and every month for over 2 years.
And I run no name tires too. and started on used tires. and welded diff. and ebay steering wheel, no name short shifter, no name quik release hub................

eric.................


you stilltalking about your crappy car? i can smell it from overseas, still smells like shiiiiiet. :-)


r32 seats, end of discussion

[handinpants]

seriously, all the ppl saying "knock offs are ALWAYS a bad idea" are the same ones who run primer and zip ties holding all their cracked body work on.

fuck it, it's your car, run what you want.


its about time.... ansky's right, do what you want to do, i know you were asking for our opinion, but, i recommend sitting in seats before you buy them. especially if your are paying $$$ for them...

my main concern for myself is safety. I care about what happens to my body in the seat when i get into an accident. I like to buy products that have been safety tested, and possibly fiaa certs.

as for buying canadian stuff, well i only buy the maple syrup, well some times, i don't buy much canadian stuff, and since when did canada start making bride seat?



just don't buy knockoff pistons and rods...

[handinpants]

eric.................


you stilltalking about your crappy car? i can smell it from overseas, still smells like shiiiiiet. :-)


r32 seats, end of discussion



hey ixfxi,
how come i never see you and your car at the track? or to any meets, but you always talk shit and run your mouth a lot online.

[jamg]

Quick story...
Knew someone who cheap knock off seats. Fake SPG seats.

Long story short, the fiberglass cracked/ripped/broke at the seat base where it mounts during an accident. Seat fell back, legs squished into pedals/steering column.
Hospital for months.

One more, had a customer from Europe, his friend bought some knock off seats. Gotten into an accident, the bucket seat snapped in half. Couldn't support his weight. Imagine the fun the doctors had pulling out all the fiberglass out of his back.

It might not happen to you, but it will NEVER happen to me.

YouTube - Bride Rear Impact Crash Test Simulation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Qsd4-8IMo)
YouTube - RECARO Rear Impact Crash Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xoauIutCmc&feature=related)

hey ixfxi,
how come i never see you and your car at the track? or to any meets, but you always talk shit and run your mouth a lot online.

lol all i read is him type about his real legit parts...

[ixfxi]

hey ixfxi,
how come i never see you and your car at the track? or to any meets, but you always talk shit and run your mouth a lot online.

because its much easier to talk shit like a coward online, asshole.

why would i go to meets anyway, so i can hang out with broke ass 240 owners.. most of which have cars that are falling apart? get the fuck outta here, i think i can speak for most of the veterans by saying that its a dead scene....


lol all i read is him type about his real legit parts...

fuck yeah

[GSXRJJordan]

I was lookin at knockoff seats... but I got my Momo (FIA-approved, expired last year I believe) for like $150 a few years ago. New they go for like $350.

And it's CRAZY comfortable. And not a knock off.

So yeah, I say if you want a "blank" do that, but there's nothing funnier than a guy who thinks he got a "great deal on a pair of Brides" only to get ripped on at the meets because everyone knows they're knock off.

If you "race", buy real seats - otherwise, get whatever, but don't try to play it off like you're ballin outta control when you bought fake Brides.

[handinpants]

Quote:
Originally Posted by handinpants http://zilvia.net/f/images/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/chat/259019-probably-going-get-ripped-but-knock-off-seats-2.html#post2833318)
hey ixfxi,
how come i never see you and your car at the track? or to any meets, but you always talk shit and run your mouth a lot online.

because its much easier to talk shit like a coward online, asshole.

why would i go to meets anyway, so i can hang out with broke ass 240 owners.. most of which have cars that are falling apart? get the fuck outta here, i think i can speak for most of the veterans by saying that its a dead scene....


because its much easier to talk shit like a coward online, asshole.

why would i go to meets anyway, so i can hang out with broke ass 240 owners.. most of which have cars that are falling apart? get the fuck outta here, i think i can speak for most of the veterans by saying that its a dead scene....



fuck yeah


haha, dood, this made me laugh soo hard cause its true... especially when people have good parts for sale, but no one has money to buy them.

[ixfxi]

funny thing is that one of the reasons i dont go to meets is because i spend too much of my time working. work to have money for the things i want

[thisisastickup]

if i do get the knockoffs, i'm definitely not going to be telling people they're real. if someone calls me out on it, i'll probably say "yeah, i knew that when i bought them."

i don't "race," but i might autocross a bit.

[NewS13Guy]

These are pretty cheap and are not knockoffs...

Corbeau FX1 Pro Seats - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC (http://enjukuracing.com/corbeau-seats-p-9043.html?cPath=2_19)

[thesimpleS13]

^^ idk man, never felt comfortable with that brand. Talked to my friend that runs a shop and even he said they're not even worth the money. He had three seats in the corner of his shop, a recaro seat, bride seat, and corbeau seat. After sitting in each one it made me decide to nvr get one.

R32 seats ftw haha,

[ThatGuy]

Here's my thought process on this...

If these seats are indeed quality, why can't they rely on that quality to build their reputation, rather then stealing a known company's name and placing it on their product?


Now, I never said buying a knock-off will cause your car to spontaneously explode, trapping you inside to die in a fiery blaze of unoriginality. What I am saying is, COPIES SUCK. If you can make a quality product to compete with a major brand, then do so, but taking their design, mimicking it, and putting THEIR name on it, is lame.

[gsxr141]

well i'm sure i will get flamed for this.
i got a great deal on some mint tenzo r seats, complete with sliders. i only paid $200 for both. are they as good as $1000 seats? hell no. but they are far better than my beat ass 20 year old stock seats.
the way i see it. if i can get a lower end seat for a deal, that leaves money available for better suspension parts and what not. i personally don't care what everyone thinks about the parts i use. the seats are comfy, and i saved enough so i could but tein coilovers instead of megans.

[ixfxi]

you might as well bolt some padded wooden patio seats in your 240 because the tenzo seats are about the same quality, if that.

[gsxr141]

thanks for your opinion. when you want to buy me some seats, let me know.

[FaLKoN240]

I don't know why telling OTHER people to spend money on you is even a viable come back when you're blatantly putting yourself out there to get clowned on.

[murda-c]

I don't know why telling OTHER people to spend money on you is even a viable come back when you're blatantly putting yourself out there to get clowned on.


It's ok, i'm sure he's enjoying driving his car, while all the haters are more upset about his seats than he is.

[Matej]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/stickydiljoe/The%20Chronicles/ricardos.jpg

[gotta240]

You guys crack me up with all this talk about buying cheap seats to save for REAL suspension....

It also cracks me up to hear, "Its ok to have a cheap seat if you don't race"

ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING RETARDED? Do people ONLY get rear-ended on racetracks?

[gsxr141]

I love listening to these stories I read here. You all act like you've been in situations where this crap might matter. The fact is, you're all just listening to what you've heard and pretending you have the experience. You don't. The parts you have on your cars are all knock-offs. Every part. You don't own F1 cars. You don't own WRC cars. You're all fakes. Posers. Frauds. Keep buying stuff that Zilvia says is cool with your mommy's money.

Good day.

~Cavi Mike(this isn't gsxr141 if you didn't get that part)

[Bubbles]

Do people ONLY get rear-ended on racetracks?


Shit, I hope I never get rear ended anywhere.


I'm just trying my hardest to live.

[FaLKoN240]

I love listening to these stories I read here. You all act like you've been in situations where this crap might matter. The fact is, you're all just listening to what you've heard and pretending you have the experience. You don't. The parts you have on your cars are all knock-offs. Every part. You don't own F1 cars. You don't own WRC cars. You're all fakes. Posers. Frauds. Keep buying stuff that Zilvia says is cool with your mommy's money.

Good day.

~Cavi Mike(this isn't gsxr141 if you didn't get that part)

You're a fucking idiot obviously. Putting everyone on zilvia into one big generalization is a very poor statement to try to prove any point.

Being built up to RACING SPEC is not necessary to be considered a legitimate part, nor is every knock off part up to spec with race spec parts, nor did anyone claim that they do so.

Your claim is so vague it just makes you look stupid, stop hiding behind your friend's name and post on your own.

[gregfarz78]

I don't see the point in modifying your car if you can't afford to do it right.

maybe b/c not everyone can afford to spend 2-3k on seats hell most people here don't pay that much for the entire car lol

I would love to see a mag do a comparo of knock off seats to brides, not that I wouldn't kill for a set of brides but I bet a good chunk of the price you pay is for the namesake just like any designer clothing

[fromxtor]

Even though my last post should have ended this thread, IF I had the money to buy any seat. It would be this one:
http://www.motorsportseats.com/cobra/images/sebring_front.jpg
And before anyone tries to talk trash, this is the same seat Mike from Kognition uses in his time attack car.

[gsxr141]

screaminfast just got a set of those. now that's a nice seat. what are they, like $1500 each?

[98koukile]

Weird, the guy with a dry carbon S14 that racing in a national circuit bought a $1500 seat and you think that everyone who hardparks should too? Although I agree with the logic of safety first, he's putting himself at much higher risk on the track and buying quality parts should be a priority more than the common person

[ixfxi]

thanks for your opinion. when you want to buy me some seats, let me know.

funny thing is


we all have options. stock offers SO many options to chose from

in my s13, i had s14 seats, then r32 seats and now r34 seats. its like what more do you want, plenty of seats to please the majority


then we have douchebags who buy fuckin tenzo, bottom of the barrel garbage... and of course it probably needed a custom mount or slider setup that is worth more than seat. not worth a damn considering that the gtr seats are a strait bolt on affiar

all so you can have extra money for tein instead of megan? ever heard of just waiting.. you know, that concept called saving. like, picture this... you buy your seats, then.... wait for it.... you SAVE. once you earn enough extra income, then you can purchase again! see, the cycle keeps repeating but except for having shitty tenzo seats, you have quality OE seats

[ericcastro]

Do you drift??

Buy knock off for the track.

Its much easier to drift when your not flying all over the cabin bruising your knees and shit.
I can drive much better when i can use both legs at the same time on the pedals.

If your really concerned, then buy something name brand for a shitload of money and pay retail.

Most people posting here dont even track there cars.
They are on the 10 year build plan with a $1500 car.

just close this shit already.

[gsxr141]

funny thing is


we all have options. stock offers SO many options to chose from

in my s13, i had s14 seats, then r32 seats and now r34 seats. its like what more do you want, plenty of seats to please the majority


then we have douchebags who buy fuckin tenzo, bottom of the barrel garbage... and of course it probably needed a custom mount or slider setup that is worth more than seat. not worth a damn considering that the gtr seats are a strait bolt on affiar

all so you can have extra money for tein instead of megan? ever heard of just waiting.. you know, that concept called saving. like, picture this... you buy your seats, then.... wait for it.... you SAVE. once you earn enough extra income, then you can purchase again! see, the cycle keeps repeating but except for having shitty tenzo seats, you have quality OE seatsagain, thanks for your opinion. how about you buy what you want, and i'll buy what i want. the seats i have are just fine. i find them comfortable, they look fine, and they work for me and lots of other people. i'm not building my car for you or anyone else here. so while you all get your panties in a bunch over others peoples cars, i'll keep driving the shit out of mine. at the end of the day, i'll be smiling and you'll just be a know it all asshat with an overpriced seat cushioning your ego..

[CrimsonRockett]

This is the worst statement ever.

Do you drift??

Buy knock off for the track.


IF I decided to build a track car, even I wouldn't run knock off parts just because it's a track car.

I'm not made of money either, but that type of mindset is just sad.

Just because it's a track car doesn't mean it has to be poorly built with cheap knock off parts.

[ericcastro]

This is the worst statement ever.



IF I decided to build a track car, even I wouldn't run knock off parts just because it's a track car.

I'm not made of money either, but that type of mindset is just sad.

Just because it's a track car doesn't mean it has to be poorly built with cheap knock off parts.

Your 100% wrong Johny, sorry.
IF you did drift your car at the track, you would realized there are certain parts that you can cut corners on, and probably should.

Shit, Tommy had one of the sickest looking S13's in CA, and he's running ebay turbo parts. He got into D1 at anahiem.

You can spend several hundred on a seat for drifting at balcony and adams track, and not actually drive for several months while you save.
then several more so you dont buy a ebay steering wheel, sportsmax wheels, welded diff, and another million things people frown upon here.
and next thing you know you havent actually seen the track in 2 years cause your still building a $1500 "sports" car from the 90's with all name brand stuff.

Or you can build your car, cutting cost where you can and actually be on the track.


I love racing a car and driving and spending as much time on the track as i can.

Unless you do too, I dont see how you could be giving advice for whats good for the track.
bench racing is different then actually doing it.

[ESmorz]

Your 100% wrong Johny, sorry.
IF you did drift your car at the track, you would realized there are certain parts that you can cut corners on, and probably should.

Shit, Tommy had one of the sickest looking S13's in CA, and he's running ebay turbo parts. He got into D1 at anahiem.

You can spend several hundred on a seat for drifting at balcony and adams track, and not actually drive for several months while you save.
then several more so you dont buy a ebay steering wheel, sportsmax wheels, welded diff, and another million things people frown upon here.
and next thing you know you havent actually seen the track in 2 years cause your still building a $1500 "sports" car from the 90's with all name brand stuff.

Or you can build your car, cutting cost where you can and actually be on the track.


I love racing a car and driving and spending as much time on the track as i can.

Unless you do too, I dont see how you could be giving advice for whats good for the track.
bench racing is different then actually doing it.

Shut up.

What would you know?

:duh:

:keke:

[CrimsonRockett]

Your 100% wrong Johny, sorry.
IF you did drift your car at the track, you would realized there are certain parts that you can cut corners on, and probably should.

Shit, Tommy had one of the sickest looking S13's in CA, and he's running ebay turbo parts. He got into D1 at anahiem.

You can spend several hundred on a seat for drifting at balcony and adams track, and not actually drive for several months while you save.
then several more so you dont buy a ebay steering wheel, sportsmax wheels, welded diff, and another million things people frown upon here.
and next thing you know you havent actually seen the track in 2 years cause your still building a $1500 "sports" car from the 90's with all name brand stuff.

Or you can build your car, cutting cost where you can and actually be on the track.


I love racing a car and driving and spending as much time on the track as i can.

Unless you do too, I dont see how you could be giving advice for whats good for the track.
bench racing is different then actually doing it.

IF I decided to do so, of course I know parts I could cut corners on.

Not saying I'd run knock off.

You don't NEED adjustable arms on a track car. Stock arms with better bushings is just fine. People just can't seem to understand this either. That's why there's always threads coming up with people bitching about their ebay arms failing them.

I don't care if people take my advice or not.

Difference will still be, I'll have a better built car for the track that'll outperform some bucket with knock off parts in the long run.

Just because it's a "$1,500 car" doesn't mean you have to cheap out on it.

I'm not impressed with vinyl either.

[FaLKoN240]

I am lulling now because you can score a pair of R32 seats for like $400 bucks.

That's $100 more than I spent for my knockoff seats, and the only reason the R32 seats aren't what I got is because mine isn't a BOLT in affair.

[irax]

Most people posting here dont even track there cars.
They are on the 10 year build plan with a $1500 car.


Fuck My Life, I'm half way there and I got nothing to show for it :-(

to the OP
dude buy what ever seat that will either get you laid, paid, or made...

fuck it... buy a seat that makes you happy.

[ericcastro]

Fuck My Life, I'm half way there and I got nothing to show for it :-(

lmao!!
and i bet it will look great when your done
and then you will get bored and have to sell it for way less then its worth.
And some kid will pick it up and destroy it and people on the forum will be all up in arms like its a sin.

I watched this happen over the last 15 years on the 510 forums ;)



You don't NEED adjustable arms on a track car. Stock arms with better bushings is just fine. People just can't seem to understand this either. That's why there's always threads coming up with people bitching about their ebay arms failing them.


I'm not impressed with vinyl either.

you want adjustable. You save ALOT of tire and you can adjust your car to run better for the track.
(i dont have that shit and it sucks!!!, lol)

I could care less about the people that bitch about the vinyl. You dont run a drift car and have no idea the PITA they are.

Since the vinyl, I have broke the bumper into 4 pieces, broke the right fender 3 times and a 4th time i broke into 2 pieces. left fender has been split twice.
and i just fiber glass and vinyl over. WAY better than the fucked up ziptied monster it was. Plus I get people all day that love it and compliment it, so it feels nice to be creating smiles and good energy in people :)

[Brian]

Buy My Bride Zeros.
$1000 with rail.

[DeathMetal]

Shit, Tommy had one of the sickest looking S13's in CA, and he's running ebay turbo parts. He got into D1 at anahiem.

You can spend several hundred on a seat for drifting at balcony and adams track, and not actually drive for several months while you save.
then several more so you dont buy a ebay steering wheel, sportsmax wheels, welded diff, and another million things people frown upon here.
and next thing you know you havent actually seen the track in 2 years cause your still building a $1500 "sports" car from the 90's with all name brand stuff.

Or you can build your car, cutting cost where you can and actually be on the track.

This makes more sense to me than anything else in here.
Am I not gonna play my drums because I have knock-off cymbals?
Am I not gonna ride my skateboard cuz it's a blank?
Am I not gonna use my computer because I can't cut corners and get the best?

I'd rather be living then wasting my time worrying about what's good or not. 99% of the time, things bend, break, and get destroyed whether you paid a lot or a little. Might as well find a good middle or go cheaper if that's what you can afford and keep having fun. That's what life is about....not impressing everyone else.

[ericcastro]

Get busy living, or get busy dying :)

[IIIXziuR]

Damn it just got real serious up in here

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr268/tjryait/a71_fake14.jpg

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr268/tjryait/a71_fake13.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2042/1990756096_311d58961e.jpg

Gonna go pick up girls in my Chinese BMW 7 series UNGGGHHHH

[DALAZ_68]

Difference will still be, I'll have a better built car for the track that'll outperform some bucket with knock off parts in the long run.




sorry johnny boy, i totaly dissagree with this statement...your car might be better built, but, that doesnt mean itll out perform...remember..the car might be built to rain death on others...but if the driver is still wet behind the ears...its doesnt mean jack...


god know i havent hit the track since my Accord...and surely out of practice and lack skill

but i still believe u dont need ot spend thousands to play...

yes u can replace bushings instead of buying all new arms...
u dont have to get 2 bucket seats...theres only one driver int he car...
coilovers are awesome...but instead of buying 700 crap, might aswell buy some quality springs and struts for a lil less...and keep saving for the coils later down the road...

its amazing how so many on this forum neglect simple tune ups to there 20 year old cars...

u dont have to buy the newest shit on the market...

i like how so many ditched there semi new Tein Coilovers, just to nut over some stances...if u can afford it be my guess...i got nothing agaist you...what makes me LOL though is the people who have to sell there old set up still on there car for the new set up...if ur still looking for coilovers, buy used...from a quality supplier...if ur still unsure of performance, u can get them rebuilt...simple...



all in all...what it does come down to is...personal choice...and what ur willign to live with, who gives a fuck about what others say....if u can't have that mentally then stop trying to impress others with what u have...

Castro is happy with his vinyl baby because it makes him smile...Johnny u have ur oem baby that makes u smile...both built by 2 very fucking different owners who have personal opinions on there own shit...


if ur looking for seats/quality seats, that are name brand...get some used or something...or u can go for some oem r32 seats...or save ur money, or buy some cheaper ones...really, it ur ass in the seat...either save spend or trade...

[VROOOM]

Although I avoid "knock-offs" at all cost, I am going to play devil's advocate here.

Lets say you buy a APEX-i N1 exhaust new for $599.99 (price listed on their site), and someone else buys the APEX-i N1 muffler and goes down to Bob's muffler and gets it welded on to some stainless pipe and a resonator. BAM! Same damn thing, except you saved $4XX for a hunk of metal and a boat ride.

Given seats, harness, things that are detrimental to your safety/engine life etc, SHOULD be quality. BUT that doesn't mean some guy who paid less for his amercian racing wheel torque thrusts (knock offs of the original mustang wheels) to replace the steelies on his stang, should be clowned because he's not rocking OEM ford wheels with horrible sunken battleship offsets. This also applies to my $60 moroso breather tank/ catch can, should I feel sorry I didnt buy a Greddy unit and spend $100 to have it shipped to me? Hell no.

As a matter of fact I would trade my ARC oil pan anyday, for moroso unit. Forgive me for not buying into the hype.

That being said, I would not buy seats that have not been track/safety tested...period.


does the Apex have stainless piping? cuz you most likely wont be getting that at a muffler shop.

[DeathMetal]

does the Apex have stainless piping? cuz you most likely wont be getting that at a muffler shop.

What? Who cares? It's the piping that your engine shits out of. Eventually it's gonna be ripped off, dented to shit, and completely worth nothing anywayz if you're actually driving hard right?:2f2f:

[Brian]

knock off gasoline.

coming in September

[irax]

knock off gasoline.

coming in September

nah that is another 2 years from now

knock off power and utilities for the homes is September...

California is just going to say "that candle provides light, you don't need electricity"

[aNskY]

What? Who cares? It's the piping that your engine shits out of. Eventually it's gonna be ripped off, dented to shit, and completely worth nothing anywayz if you're actually driving hard right?:2f2f:


different metals resonate differently.. thin ass mild steel that you get at a muffler shop for cheap will sound like shit guaranteed

[ixfxi]

Castro is happy with his vinyl baby because it makes him smile...Johnny u have ur oem baby that makes u smile...both built by 2 very fucking different owners who have personal opinions on there own shit...


the irony with all the low buck nut swingers is that theyre all supporting knockof products but are like 18-22 years old


its like some of you young fuckers are incapable of saving dough, researching, and comparing the differences between the cheap and expensive stuff.


moreso, its impossible for people to be innovative and do things like slot their oe arms or use eccentric camber bolts, both of which i did and lasted me over 10 years of constant abuse and use.


the stupidity here is beyond me, why anyone would want to run such cheap shit. but then again, its never a surprise when i look at a shitpile (sory eric) of a car and wonder how anyone could find enjoyment in a car that looks like a fuckin nightmare when it COULD actually look fairly respectable if built right.


some people just cant manage to think things fully through. ive seen plenty of track cars that still look respectable, not like rolling junk piles

edit, lets not forget that its the entire list of parts that make a quality car, not just tein coilovers and then old bushings. i mean, build the entire suspension properly and it will function properly. all this patch fix mentality is useless when youve got a ton of old ass deteriorated oem parts on the car. for fucks sake

[DeathMetal]

different metals resonate differently.. thin ass mild steel that you get at a muffler shop for cheap will sound like shit guaranteed

Ummm lol, would you rather be driving your car on a track where noone gives a fuck but the haters or would you rather be waiting on your savings to climb up to amazing parts status?

I'd rather be practicing what I love, not enthusing over what I have.

[ericcastro]

Theres actually not much original OEM on my car.
just so you know.
From rebuild engine to new OEM replacements for about everything. (steering rack is next.)

Prolly why Im not scrapping the ground on rims right now. I got one of the fastest stock KA's and I drift the shit out of it, and dont worry about breaking old parts. Cause I maintain what it does have.

Im not into name brand stuff, but am big on maintenece and upkeep.

And I find enjoyment in running my car cause its fun as all hell. Was able to scrape the bumper off on the wall twice last week at inland drift, and not touch the body. thats a couple inches of error margine!! That is fun. the shitty looking shell just makes it easier to fix.
And I wouldn't be able to enjoy the car if I had to worry I was gonna fuck up the white bunny kit on a mnt paint job car with those cool tail lights.
I wouldn't be able to push things as far and find my limit's as quik.

but I think thats the difference on here.
Some people like to build cars, and buy name brand and make custom wire harness's.
Some like to spend time waiting for name parts before they track the cars.
Some like to get on the track as quik as possable and not worry about wrecking something expensive.

Almost all people drifting that i have run into at events over the last 2 years run non name stuff so they can buy tires, gas, track time and more parts.

Its all about your goals.
I want seat time!
So I do what i can.
I am still getting better everytime with my mild setup, so no need to pull the car off the track to build it up.

[DALAZ_68]

the irony with all the low buck nut swingers is that theyre all supporting knockof products but are like 18-22 years old


its like some of you young fuckers are incapable of saving dough, researching, and comparing the differences between the cheap and expensive stuff.



phew...im 23 :ddog:

but on the real i hope ur not including me in that scenario because i pointed out some point of views from different people...

im actually one of the ''Young Fuckers'' who drives a respectable clean daily, and i pulled my project off the streets to have time to build it right...

its all about what ur goals are and what ur patience can handle...i know for a fact i probably wont see track time in my own car for another couple months...with work and school being so tied together and my weekends belonging to my sleep deprived ass...yet i know for a fact i could literally take my current savings and be on the track withing a month if i payed others to do the work, but what fun is there in having a fully built car, when ur broke as shit and cant even go to an event...

mind u again, im actually one of the phew who actually did bushings on his car...

but im pretty sure u would be someoen who would look at my car and call it a pos because it doesnt have paint...ohh wait now im assuming like you are to others...oops mah bad...lol

[ixfxi]

Some people like to build cars, and buy name brand and make custom wire harness's.

hello.



to each his own, obviously. but the way i see it, if youre building something to compete with a porsche or lotus, then it should be built with the same standards, if not better.

you guys may be happy drifting in a royal shit bucket, thats great. but the way i see it, a car is as good as you build it to be. might as well make a time sheet and see how much time your car spends on the street vs the track. if you dont mind risking being paralized, then go for the tenzo seats.

[nathanong87]

it's pretty simple. OEM seats are DOT inspected so that in event of a crash they will do their intended purpose.

seats without approval or in correctly installed harnesses can lead to unnecessary injuries in "routine" accidents.

cheap coilovers vs cheap seats isn't really comparing the same thing imho. cheap coilovers may ride shitty but i dont think anyones life is in danger... unless we count one's e-street cred as their "life".....

[DeathMetal]

Oh how I wish I won the lotto so I could buy a ton of this "cheap knock-off shit" and make a write up on it and actually test it for years and years.

TBH, I believe in both sides of the argument. BUT, I would still rather be at a track. Maybe this is because I have none whatsoever? Yeah I know, I have little room to talk about this stuff but I've been there and done that with lots of other things. I just lean more towards being able to DO instead of enthuse.

Back to lurking the forum and shutting my yap :D Proceed with the argument.

[aNskY]

Ummm lol, would you rather be driving your car on a track where noone gives a fuck but the haters or would you rather be waiting on your savings to climb up to amazing parts status?

I'd rather be practicing what I love, not enthusing over what I have.

I drive my car on the street, i dont want it sounding like a riced out POS.

[ericcastro]

I daily and track my car.

Think i did 5 events total last month.

the car is constantly getting beat and dented and all kinds of shit.

So it just makes sense to me to buy the cheap knock off kits, vinyl, welded and all the low budge shit.

If I was just building a really dope street car or a time attack type car that had to compete against higher end cars, then im sure it would have more quality parts.

But i wouldn't choose a 240 as my platform either.

[JDMFLCL]

This thread is idiotic....

Instead of trying to be Faux JDM TyTe Yo!! for the same low 300 range you can buy the Momo Start 2007 as well as the Sparco Sprint 5, both of which are FIA homolugated and as a 3rd option, the venerable corbeau FX1.

JDM does not /= better, ugh....

I mean for hells sake, alot of brides aren't even FIA regulated.

[ESmorz]

This thread is idiotic....

Instead of trying to be Faux JDM TyTe Yo!! for the same low 300 range you can buy the Momo Start 2007 as well as the Sparco Sprint 5, both of which are FIA homolugated and as a 3rd option, the venerable corbeau FX1.

JDM does not /= better, ugh....

I mean for hells sake, alot of brides aren't even FIA regulated.

Yep, I have a cheap ass sprint and it's FIA.

Not that anything else on the car will be entirely legal.

[BrokenWhite240]

I dunno to each is own do what you want..buy knock-off seats if you want. I know people that drift in fake and real brides and nothing has happened yet. Actually the cheaps held thier own. Will I buy them no cause I need FIA approved for the track if I didn't hell yea I would.

Most of these guys that are ripping on knock-off seats are prolly the same guys with the ISIS intake manifold, megans or Sportmaxxes on thier car. Noone ragged on ISIS because enjuku sells them but they are infact knock-off Greddy ebay manifolds.

[CamryOnBronze]

I have a corbeau FX1 Pro in my s13 and even though it is not FIA approved, the quality is for sure there for what the seat costs new. I have owned an old school bride, sparco torinos, and corbeau now and the sparcos were the nicest quality.

Honestly, I am not any more concerned about being injured in an accident in my corbeau seat than I am in the stock seat. If I get t-boned by a huge truck going 50, my seat brand isnt going to do me a lot of good, since I am going to be smoked anyway... stock seat, FIA approved, or not. I could see a quality seat being the difference in some situations, but not in a bad accident.

That being said, don't waste your money on knockoff seats. There is really no benefit I see from buying a fake seat trying to be something it isn't, that is my two cents.

[nathanong87]

Most of these guys that are ripping on knock-off seats are prolly the same guys with the ISIS intake manifold, megans or Sportmaxxes on thier car. Noone ragged on ISIS because enjuku sells them but they are infact knock-off Greddy ebay manifolds.

i still believe that knockoff safety equipment is different than a knockoff exhaust, aero kit, etc....

[WhatsADSM]

it's pretty simple. OEM seats are DOT inspected so that in event of a crash they will do their intended purpose.

seats without approval or in correctly installed harnesses can lead to unnecessary injuries in "routine" accidents.

cheap coilovers vs cheap seats isn't really comparing the same thing imho. cheap coilovers may ride shitty but i dont think anyones life is in danger... unless we count one's e-street cred as their "life".....

This thread is idiotic....

Instead of trying to be Faux JDM TyTe Yo!! for the same low 300 range you can buy the Momo Start 2007 as well as the Sparco Sprint 5, both of which are FIA homolugated and as a 3rd option, the venerable corbeau FX1.

JDM does not /= better, ugh....

I mean for hells sake, alot of brides aren't even FIA regulated.

I totally agree with these 2 posts.

Seats ARE a safety part in your car. Like it or not that is the case.

IMO I won't buy a seat unless it has a certification. FMVSS (DOT), or FIA. There is a very good reason that they do safety tests on seats and truth be told when you buy a more expensive seat you are paying for that engineering. Does that mean if you get in to a head on collision at 100mph the cert'd seat will make any difference versus a knock off? Probably not, but for MANY accidents it will make a difference, and for that reason I value my (and my passengers) health and safety. I will buy a safety certified seat.

Like many others have brought up, why not look into skyline seats? At least you have some piece of mind they well made and safe. The price isn't much more than knock offs.

[gsxr141]

i've been debating posting these pics for a while, but what the hell. this is what happens when you go off the road backwards at 100mph, flip end over end 5 times, and end up at the bottom of a 50ft hill. the reason i'm posting them, is i had tenzo seats in the car and both me and the passenger walked away.http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/gsxr141/17.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/gsxr141/29.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/gsxr141/38.jpg

[kalypso123]

G35 SEATS

/thread

[QuickSpoolSR]

seriously, all the ppl saying "knock offs are ALWAYS a bad idea" are the same ones who run primer and zip ties holding all their cracked body work on.

fuck it, it's your car, run what you want.

hahaha, no shit

[jamg]

G35 SEATS

/thread

bolt on for the s13?

[Rapier46]

long story, there are no "fake" Bride seats.

[rocksteady_racer]

well there is the other side of things too. One day my stock S13 240sx seat just snapped in half (the top part came completely off). So if your seat is that bad then you know I would at least get that if I didn't have money for anything else LoL.

[Shadowhunter]

Why should you not buy fake seats? I remember being on Team-Integra a few years back reading about the Ractive racing seats that came out. When people got in an accident the adjustable back just snapped. In an accident the seat is designed to hold you in place so you don't get paralyzed or dead. Other one piece bucket seats I have heard of rip straight out of the frame rails in an accident. Sure sure you think I'll never get into an accident,but when you do,you'll think to yourself... "Fuck I wish I woulda spent the extra money on some quality seats instead of this dude strapping me into a gurney with my broken ass neck" Some things like Intakes are fine to buy as a knockoff,some things that are safety related should be a no brainer don't mess around and spend the extra cash for quality.

[mrflip69]

you guys may be happy drifting in a royal shit bucket, thats great.


/Thread, /Zilvia, /Drifters for the most part LOL.

Drifting somehow gives people the excuse to let their cars go to hell, afterall "all go, no show". I'm with you though, a car doesn't have to look like a pile to be competitive, but looks are subjective anyway. More or less, it comes down to priorities and most drifters don't give a shit how their cars look and would rather spend that money on track time. Battle damage is cool anyway :Ownedd:

long story, there are no "fake" Bride seats.

Something about the company that manufactures the Bride seat and licensing right? Not sure about the seats Jackson (carparthookup) sells, but I think the Canadian and JDM Brides are literally the same, sans tags.

Why should you not buy fake seats? I remember being on Team-Integra a few years back reading about the Ractive racing seats that came out. When people got in an accident the adjustable back just snapped.

It's a risk people take that most people aren't aware of. Even if they were, I'm sure they'd still do it. Whatever. Social darwinism FTW!