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handinpants
05-20-2009, 01:13 AM
today when i went to dc performance in los angeles, ca to discuss my nistune tuning process, i notice this nice dark green 240z up on the lift, and went i went over for a better look, i saw that it had a big fat viper motor under the hood. now who ever owns this car, took their sweet ass time doing this car because it was sooo clean, it was nice, i'll try getting some pics.

Felipe
05-20-2009, 01:18 AM
:axe:

pictures or GTFO!

GSXRJJordan
05-20-2009, 02:18 AM
*Useless without pics*

meteorite_flo
05-20-2009, 02:24 AM
pictures or it never happened!

Kaizen.
05-20-2009, 03:06 AM
I saw Jesus driving a 240 once....

OBEEWON
05-20-2009, 08:23 AM
Ugh, I was waiting for pictures to load then I read the paragraph.

Why would you do that to me? I never hurt you or your family. But you wanna get my hopes up and then just dash them to bits.

I am so disappointed...

xs240
05-20-2009, 08:26 AM
Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Viper+v10+engine+in+a+Z)

xs240
05-20-2009, 08:29 AM
Who needs V10 when you have...

V12Z (http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/)

WIKID S4TEEN
05-20-2009, 08:33 AM
Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Viper+v10+engine+in+a+Z)

Found this
200sx OGN • Se på emne - Z med Viper v10 motor (http://forum.200sx-ogn.org/viewtopic.php?t=13683)

clark
05-20-2009, 09:28 AM
I saw Jesus driving a 240 once....

rockin a pignose right?

blueshark123
05-20-2009, 09:57 AM
I saw Jesus driving a 240 once....

haha that was a good one u made a funny lol

holybushoffire
05-20-2009, 09:59 AM
Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Viper+v10+engine+in+a+Z)

Nobody wants to see the random pic that you found on Google. We want to see the pictures HE took in the shop, because he IS going to go back and get them.. :x:

xs240
05-20-2009, 10:07 AM
HE can do that

ixfxi
05-20-2009, 11:14 AM
today when i went to dc performance in los angeles, ca to discuss my nistune tuning process, i notice this nice dark green 240z up on the lift, and went i went over for a better look, i saw that it had a big fat viper motor under the hood. now who ever owns this car, took their sweet ass time doing this car because it was sooo clean, it was nice, i'll try getting some pics.


wow steven.... incredible story




thanks for sharing, really. thanks.

Marcus
05-20-2009, 11:43 AM
I saw Jesus driving a 240 once....


rockin a pignose right?



uhhgghhh IIIIIddiiioooottts. theres a spotted thread

OBEEWON
05-20-2009, 12:48 PM
...and then I came back and opened the thread again and there were still no pictures...

s13 @ fullboost
05-21-2009, 11:55 PM
where are the pics at?? and BTW the let me Google that for you is way lame and played out I used to do it in a bunch of newb threads and it was pretty funny now its just old news and no one is surprised by it anymore.

ixfxi
05-22-2009, 10:15 AM
where are the pics at?? and BTW the let me Google that for you is way lame and played out I used to do it in a bunch of newb threads and it was pretty funny now its just old news and no one is surprised by it anymore.

ah yes, amazing how things lose their freshness.

letmegooglethatforyou
sex
beer

its just never as good as the first time, son.

gregfarz78
05-24-2009, 09:55 PM
would be cool to see pics of but I don't see a point to that much power in a 240z unless it was strictly a track car

MandTPhotography
05-24-2009, 10:06 PM
Our shop is putting a Viper motor in a backhalfed durago.

handinpants
06-03-2009, 09:28 AM
today when i went to dc performance in los angeles, ca to discuss my nistune tuning process, i notice this nice dark green 240z up on the lift, and went i went over for a better look, i saw that it had a big fat viper motor under the hood. now who ever owns this car, took their sweet ass time doing this car because it was sooo clean, it was nice, i'll try getting some pics.


http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr197/rapid25_2008/IMG_0428.jpghttp://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr197/rapid25_2008/IMG_0429.jpghttp://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr197/rapid25_2008/IMG_0430.jpg

slider2828
06-03-2009, 09:29 AM
Wholly christ!.... that is sexy.

homermartinez1
06-03-2009, 09:35 AM
and i jizzed in my pants..... http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/homermartinez1/111896.gif

OBEEWON
06-03-2009, 10:17 AM
Sheesh...... Do want now.

Team DET
06-03-2009, 10:32 AM
dammn.................. :eek2:

xs240
06-03-2009, 10:45 AM
wow.... ya.... ya

drift freaq
06-03-2009, 10:54 AM
Crazy, cool for points. though I would say that that is way more power than a 240z needs or can handle. Unless its a fully caged drag car. Otherwise..........

drivnovrdaedge
06-03-2009, 11:34 AM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/drivnovrdaedge/its-beautiful.jpg

need moar pics!!!! and a video ..

i still think rb26 still looks better in there .. but has been done numerous times ...

DALAZ_68
06-03-2009, 11:37 AM
ah yes, amazing how things lose their freshness.

sex
beer


sad but true... :(

Otherwise..........
its a daily no one would want to fuck with?

Devil Man
06-03-2009, 12:13 PM
wow that is impressive

highwaystar22
06-03-2009, 12:19 PM
Yeah.... I just went from 6 to 12. I'm gonna have to walk it off.

DP-AE86
06-03-2009, 12:20 PM
DONE!
OMG thank you! I WAS NOT JOKING a year ago when i saw a viper motor in a 240z.
people thought i was crazy (this was back when i didnt have a car or a camera)
if this one is in a shop maybe fresh swap this might be the second one i've heard/seen

SleepyEyeds13
06-03-2009, 12:57 PM
Shits got that sex apeal.

illvialuver
06-03-2009, 07:23 PM
I saw Jesus driving a 240 once....


I think it was Lance

Solidus311
06-03-2009, 07:32 PM
Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Viper+v10+engine+in+a+Z)

That was awesome!

C. Anderson
06-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Even A/C!!!!!

HPKMotorsports3
06-03-2009, 08:13 PM
wow thats sexy but ill take an RB26DET any day

tanks13
06-03-2009, 08:15 PM
dude those pics were worth the wait that car looks sick as fuck

zerooath
06-04-2009, 12:07 AM
^Thats christina aguileras for anybody that wants to know.

4DOOR_LIFE
06-04-2009, 08:50 PM
i can understand the reason for having those size wheels for grip and such. it would totally set the z off if the owner slapped on flares and some 15x10s and 15x12s. it would be perrrrrfect. amazing work.

Flicktitty
06-04-2009, 08:54 PM
that is pretty fuckin nasty!

ixfxi
06-05-2009, 12:02 AM
that car will need more than wilwoods to stop that fucking meteor

kalypso123
06-05-2009, 11:34 AM
^Thats christina aguileras for anybody that wants to know.

you got it :bigok:

handinpants
06-14-2009, 04:11 AM
i got more pics, but have been asked not to post them up on the net yet... i'm bluring the background though.... anyways.. um. that one you heard about a year ago, is prolly the same one, it was here at the shop for a tuning electrical fix. the install was done by a shop up north, and the car was completely restored, tons of extra chassis reinforcements were made on it,
full cage inside. cleeeean interior. lots of detail were put into it. and well some of you rather have an rb26 in theirs, this is the only one i have ever scene with a viper motor, i'd rather have the one off than the one of many. i'll get more pics up

oh and as for that v12 you posted, the v10 makes more power... :-P

The Chad
06-14-2009, 09:50 AM
Did I see see high and low pressure A/C lines running by the exhaust manifold too????...Or am I just crazy? I mean wow, not only a very nicely done swap but A/C too, now that's just showing off. :)


And Christina, back in the day, in her prime=sex sex sex sex...excuse me for a min. ahem. :)

93nismo
06-14-2009, 10:19 AM
that's some nifty shit. i miss my Z...

handinpants
07-16-2010, 12:07 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs052.snc4/34982_459328761728_536091728_5961636_8297924_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs072.snc4/34982_459328756728_536091728_5961635_3032624_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs052.snc4/34982_459328766728_536091728_5961637_6540677_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs022.ash2/34457_459328991728_536091728_5961643_5936431_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs039.ash2/35297_459329316728_536091728_5961653_541120_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs039.ash2/35297_459329321728_536091728_5961654_479470_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs039.ash2/35297_459329326728_536091728_5961655_3256514_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs057.snc4/35203_459329756728_536091728_5961676_8309905_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs030.ash2/34852_459330116728_536091728_5961698_6698486_n.jpg

oh and to top it off look at the carbon on this american car
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs052.snc4/34982_459328771728_536091728_5961638_5065974_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs022.ash2/34457_459328981728_536091728_5961641_3216566_n.jpg

93nismo
07-16-2010, 12:26 AM
:'D


ddddddddddddddddddd

brndck
07-16-2010, 06:10 PM
HIDEOUS wheels on the z.
otherwise its cool.
except that you'll probably get >20mpg in it.
and vipers are notoriously spin happy.
i can't imagine stuffing the same lump in a shorter wheelbase would help this at all.
nice to see something new tho!

bb4_96
07-16-2010, 07:30 PM
fits so well...hmm...

PoorMans180SX
07-16-2010, 07:35 PM
HIDEOUS wheels on the z.


FN's hahahahha.

I bet it's slow.

GenPac
07-16-2010, 08:59 PM
The carbon on that second gen 'maro is insane. I can't imagine the bill for all that.

TwItCh
07-16-2010, 09:49 PM
simply put:eek2::snoop:

Slammed Assassin
07-16-2010, 10:09 PM
just needs some baller wheels/ maybe flares!!

TwItCh
07-16-2010, 10:24 PM
now ive seen the datsun

now i kinda wonder whats up with that camaro

OBEEWON
07-16-2010, 10:34 PM
It's got Lou Ferrigno under the hood.

Tom25666
07-16-2010, 10:36 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj66/chickenheadFoSho/holy_shit_this_is_awesome_dino.jpg
m355ag313ngth

FRpilot
07-16-2010, 10:37 PM
haha i like how everyone is calling bullshit and to post pics or gtfo or it never happened and the op comes back with pics.

then i realized this thread is months old, but new pics posted recently look amazing. awesome restoration job. everything looks good except the fahnoriks.

ranger240
07-16-2010, 11:04 PM
=American cars rule yeah...you guys brag about american cars...they are selling so well that GM filed for bankruptcy and took millions of dollars in tax payers' money to be rescued. pathetic. oh yeah...i'm an american.

dude, stick to what you know, and that is taking cool ass photos of cool ass cars. save the poli/economic blabbing for people who spent the time to learn and understand what the hells going on.


some undercarriage shots of the Z would be cool, and a shot of the rear end/suspension


carry on..

TwItCh
07-17-2010, 12:15 AM
It's got Lou Ferrigno under the hood.


i loled :keke:

handinpants
07-17-2010, 04:42 AM
It took me soo longto upload all the photos, I misplaced the memory card they were on until the other daay

PoorMans180SX
07-17-2010, 09:22 AM
No but seriously guys, it's probably fast, but think about the weight balance. Probably pretty crappy.

Cool for trying something new I guess.

Oh and that steering wheel is ugly. Who mixes wood and carbon fiber?

kojiki88
07-17-2010, 09:46 AM
I saw Jesus driving a 240 once....
I see Jesus Driving a 240 all the time. :cool:

handinpants
07-17-2010, 11:23 AM
pasted from hybridz post from like 9 years ago


Ah, here is the thread: Click here The guys name is Jim Halsey. Unfortunetly, the links to the pictures no longer work.

EDIT: Here's some more information from one of his other posts...

"I am in the process of building a 72 240 Z. The car will be stock appearing but will be powered by a Viper crate motor and will use a T56 6 speed and R200 rear. Most major fabrication is complete, motor and trans in car, new chrome moly front cross member, engine set back 4 inches to get engine behind cross member and down in the chassis. Firewall recessed, trans tunnel reshaped to accomodate the T56. Viper motor is 505 lbs fully dressed with clutch, flywheel, starter, alternator, A/C compressor, power stg pump and sepentine accessory drive. Stock tubular headers fit nicely, the collectors need to be rotated to face the rear. Have run two box section rails back through the floor to tie the front and rear together for stiffness. Also will soon have the 10 pt roll cage in and then i can go looking for seats to fit. Full road race coil over and tubular control arm setup from Arizona Z with 6 piston Wilwood calipers in front, 4 piston in rear, 5 bolt aluminum hubs. Car will have power windows, A/C, stereo, full cell, headlight covers, louvered hood, fire suppression system, otherwise stock appearing. Will run Fluidyne aluminum radiator with integrated oil cooler. Wheels will be 17x8, 17x9, forged, undecided on make, also paint is up in the air.

Car is being built by Nelson Vels, Billet Works, Santa Clarita, Ca. He has done several V8 conversions in early Z cars and is into doing this car a little differently. Probably 6-8 months from hitting the street. Will also give it a go at open track on the big track at Willow Springs."


long story short, whoever put the motor in did the wiring wrong. sent it to dc performance.

HyperTek
07-17-2010, 02:31 PM
Soo many S30s with good engine swaps, but bad taste in cosmetic appearance/part selection.

Im sure this car is really nice, but id take the Sr240z anyday over this one, its just got a better theme to its build up.

comablack783
07-18-2010, 09:48 PM
putting an sr in a 240z is like throwing a sausage down a hallway... SURE, it works and you can do it, BUT WHY?... that engine bay screams 6 inline or bigger. that v10 looks proper, sick sick...

OBEEWON
07-19-2010, 07:23 AM
Everyone talking about wieght balance...bah. As long as its not stupid like 90/10 or more weight in the rear than the front its all gravey.

Taking an SR over a Viper V10 is like picking a man over a women...gay...

PoorMans180SX
07-19-2010, 08:50 AM
L28 complete with stock manifolds, SU's, and A/C compressor + 5 spd 523lbs

Viper 8.0 L alone 716lbs

Stock weight balance is F52/R48%, and the whole car only weights 2260lbs.

Just saying.

Xplat
07-19-2010, 11:23 AM
People don't like stock looking Z's? K.

Guess it needs fender flares or wide body convershunz with wheels wider than F1 cars that are HELLA FLUSH. V10 motor? RATHER HAVE AN SR RIGHT?

Besides, everyone knows that V10's aren't as good as 4 cylinder 2.0 liter motors because once you have that many cylinders you won't be able to reach VTEC. Besides think of the gas mileage this beast will have! Not very economical at all! And where's its Type-R badge? Car needs Aero and a huge wing and mesh grills in every opening of the car body. I have great taste in car mods and know what I'm talking about just like everyone else here.

In case no one picked up on this I was being sarcastic.

240sxvaj
07-19-2010, 11:37 AM
i think the rims killed it

handinpants
07-21-2010, 12:28 PM
L28 complete with stock manifolds, SU's, and A/C compressor + 5 spd 523lbs

Viper 8.0 L alone 716lbs

Stock weight balance is F52/R48%, and the whole car only weights 2260lbs.

Just saying.

read everything.... "Viper motor is 505 lbs fully dressed" its all alluminum.... so technically its 18lbs lighter than the stock motor, with tons more power. not a bad balance.

besides the guy who built the car has a economical daly. its a project of his, he also has a shelby gt350. sooo one would assume he's good in the financial department. but thats not my business or concern.
what is you may ask, this guy did the swap back in 2001.... go figure


poorman's 180sx, i dunno why you gotta be all hating and what not, at least you look dumb when you post illegitimate facts, and i have to thank you for continuing to do so. why if you feel that it is wrong to mix carbon and wood, then don't do it, last time i checked wood is made out of carbon, well just about everything in life is composed of matters of carbon. the reason this guy did what he did is because he could. he took it to that level that no one else would. its also called raising the bar.

handinpants
07-21-2010, 12:34 PM
i will get all the specs on the vehicle this week

TwItCh
07-21-2010, 01:00 PM
read everything.... "Viper motor is 505 lbs fully dressed" its all alluminum.... so technically its 18lbs lighter than the stock motor, with tons more power. not a bad balance.

besides the guy who built the car has a economical daly. its a project of his, he also has a shelby gt350. sooo one would assume he's good in the financial department. but thats not my business or concern.
what is you may ask, this guy did the swap back in 2001.... go figure


poorman's 180sx, i dunno why you gotta be all hating and what not, at least you look dumb when you post illegitimate facts, and i have to thank you for continuing to do so. why if you feel that it is wrong to mix carbon and wood, then don't do it, last time i checked wood is made out of carbon, well just about everything in life is composed of matters of carbon. the reason this guy did what he did is because he could. he took it to that level that no one else would. its also called raising the bar.

i was thinking the same thing who would hate on that, that 240 is a work of art

all i have to say to the haters now is :Owned:

PoorMans180SX
07-21-2010, 01:10 PM
read everything.... "Viper motor is 505 lbs fully dressed" its all alluminum.... so technically its 18lbs lighter than the stock motor, with tons more power. not a bad balance.

besides the guy who built the car has a economical daly. its a project of his, he also has a shelby gt350. sooo one would assume he's good in the financial department. but thats not my business or concern.
what is you may ask, this guy did the swap back in 2001.... go figure


poorman's 180sx, i dunno why you gotta be all hating and what not, at least you look dumb when you post illegitimate facts, and i have to thank you for continuing to do so. why if you feel that it is wrong to mix carbon and wood, then don't do it, last time i checked wood is made out of carbon, well just about everything in life is composed of matters of carbon. the reason this guy did what he did is because he could. he took it to that level that no one else would. its also called raising the bar.

You have no clue what you're talking about. There is 100% zero chance that an 8.4 liter V10 weights 505lbs. You want to know why? An LS1 weighs 497, and a VH45 weights 520.

Oh, and you're so smart and sciencey with your carbon makeup retort. Guess what? They still don't look good together.

And calm down, this is the internet, I'm just stating my opinions with facts, I'm not hating and saying the whole project is dumb or anything, just saying what I would do, and do differently. No harm no foul.

Tom25666
07-21-2010, 01:18 PM
Besides, everyone knows that V10's aren't as good as 4 cylinder 2.0 liter motors because once you have that many cylinders you won't be able to reach VTEC.

i think this is the real issue here. i did the vtec upgrade on my sr20 and never looked back

fullthrottle
07-21-2010, 01:24 PM
You have no clue what you're talking about. There is 100% zero chance that an 8.4 liter V10 weights 505lbs. You want to know why? An LS1 weighs 497, and a VH45 weights 520.

Oh, and you're so smart and sciencey with your carbon makeup retort. Guess what? They still don't look good together.

And calm down, this is the internet, I'm just stating my opinions with facts, I'm not hating and saying the whole project is dumb or anything, just saying what I would do, and do differently. No harm no foul.

It weighs 500lbs. Yes it has two more pistons. Yes thats why its awesome.

gsr-boost-dc
07-21-2010, 01:34 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/drivnovrdaedge/its-beautiful.jpg

need moar pics!!!! And a video ..

I still think rb26 still looks better in there .. But has been done numerous times ...


hahahah! So true!!

TwItCh
07-21-2010, 03:50 PM
but the weight issue depends

if it is the 1st gen viper motor it ways around 700

and the second gen viper motor weighs 505

atutt
07-24-2010, 08:50 AM
read everything.... "Viper motor is 505 lbs fully dressed" its all alluminum.... so technically its 18lbs lighter than the stock motor, with tons more power. not a bad balance.

You sir. Are a giant blundering oaf. (In other words, you're a fucking tool) And that goes for everyone else who thinks that.

I bet you think a fully dressed LS1 still weighs 497lbs. And that it's lighter than fully dressed KA's and SR's. Boy are you ever mislead...
(Without fluids and exhaust manifolds the LS1 motor weighs approx 536lbs. It weighs 609lbs with the tranny attached. No manifolds or fluids)
And just so I'm not full of shit like.. Much like yourself..
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/atutt/142053457_YfRmL-M.jpg

So somehow this magical 8L V10 is, at the very least, 31lbs lighter than an all aluminum, push rod V8? A V8 which has a smaller block, smaller, shorter, lighter crank, 2 less pistons and con rods...
I don't think so.

How about we get our heads out of are ass and stop being so ignorant to believe aluminum blocks are the lightest thing since the fart that I just let out.
Is aluminum light? Yup. Is it softer and weaker than cast iron? Yup. This is why, say, an LS1 can be bored out .020 over. Safely. If you're really good. maybe .030 over. The IRON LS1? I see .060 over bore all the time...
That aluminum block has to be massively reinforced to make up for lost strength. How do they do it. Add more material to the casting. Adding higher strength alloys to the mix. Making it heavier and stronger than pure aluminum.
I should also mention that the iron LS1 block is only 80lbs heavier than is aluminum counter part.
"But even though aluminum is less than half the weight of cast iron?"
"I'm afraid so"

Now, lets get back to the Viper 10 being lighter than a L28 I6.
It simply isn't.
The amount of extra material needed to carry the extra 4 cylinders is enough to make the V10 a boat anchor. In reality, that V10, fully dressed, probably weighs closer 620lbs. Give or take a few extra lbs.

So. For the record. The LS1 IS HEAVIER THAN KA's AND SR's.
Therefore, the Viper V10 which is similar to an LS1 (An all aluminum push rod V motor), but with 2 more cylinders. It physically cannot be 31lbs lighter.

And also everyone is stupid.

tricky_ab
07-24-2010, 11:31 AM
Soo many S30s with good engine swaps, but bad taste in cosmetic appearance/part selection.

Im sure this car is really nice, but id take the Sr240z anyday over this one, its just got a better theme to its build up.

And it makes me sad :(

PoorMans180SX
07-24-2010, 11:40 AM
So. For the record. The LS1 IS HEAVIER THAN KA's AND SR's.
Therefore, the Viper V10 which is similar to an LS1 (An all aluminum push rod V motor), but with 2 more cylinders. It physically cannot be 31lbs lighter.

And also everyone is stupid.

Thank you good sir.

T chop
07-24-2010, 12:23 PM
Why doesn't anyone even care about the V10 being heavier? It's way fucking cooler and a million times faster.

So the car is a few hundred lbs heavier...... it has like 5 times the power so whatever......... fuck. :drama:

JDM Sil4ty
07-24-2010, 03:36 PM
^^ wow ive learned soo much. has anyone ever seen a v10 inside of a s14?.. it wouldnt fit huh? loooks wayy too big.. but REAL Beastly .. just imagine a straight pipe on that mofo.. wow!

atutt
07-24-2010, 04:25 PM
Thank you good sir.

You're welcome good sir.

Why doesn't anyone even care about the V10 being heavier? It's way fucking cooler and a million times faster.

So the car is a few hundred lbs heavier...... it has like 5 times the power so whatever......... fuck. :drama:
I don't care that it's heavier. I just hate people posting misinformation. Or, not thinking before they post.

I'm all for crazy swaps..

^^ wow ive learned soo much. has anyone ever seen a v10 inside of a s14?.. it wouldnt fit huh? loooks wayy too big.. but REAL Beastly .. just imagine a straight pipe on that mofo.. wow!

I came across a few Viper motors locally.. I would have jumped all over any of them if I had the extra $5000 they wanted for just the motors..
But that also means switching to Mopar :P

indoz33
07-24-2010, 04:57 PM
OMFG sooooooo sexy!!!!!! i think that v10 badge has to go tho...

turboboost12004
07-24-2010, 05:08 PM
silly ricers, muscle always wins....lol
my next project would be a turbo ford 302 stuffed in a 240.....

!Zar!
07-24-2010, 05:42 PM
That car does nothing for me.

handinpants
07-25-2010, 10:57 AM
You sir. Are a giant blundering oaf. (In other words, you're a fucking tool) And that goes for everyone else who thinks that.

I bet you think a fully dressed LS1 still weighs 497lbs. And that it's lighter than fully dressed KA's and SR's. Boy are you ever mislead...
(Without fluids and exhaust manifolds the LS1 motor weighs approx 536lbs. It weighs 609lbs with the tranny attached. No manifolds or fluids)
And just so I'm not full of shit like.. Much like yourself..
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/atutt/142053457_YfRmL-M.jpg

So somehow this magical 8L V10 is, at the very least, 31lbs lighter than an all aluminum, push rod V8? A V8 which has a smaller block, smaller, shorter, lighter crank, 2 less pistons and con rods...
I don't think so.

How about we get our heads out of are ass and stop being so ignorant to believe aluminum blocks are the lightest thing since the fart that I just let out.
Is aluminum light? Yup. Is it softer and weaker than cast iron? Yup. This is why, say, an LS1 can be bored out .020 over. Safely. If you're really good. maybe .030 over. The IRON LS1? I see .060 over bore all the time...
That aluminum block has to be massively reinforced to make up for lost strength. How do they do it. Add more material to the casting. Adding higher strength alloys to the mix. Making it heavier and stronger than pure aluminum.
I should also mention that the iron LS1 block is only 80lbs heavier than is aluminum counter part.
"But even though aluminum is less than half the weight of cast iron?"
"I'm afraid so"

Now, lets get back to the Viper 10 being lighter than a L28 I6.
It simply isn't.
The amount of extra material needed to carry the extra 4 cylinders is enough to make the V10 a boat anchor. In reality, that V10, fully dressed, probably weighs closer 620lbs. Give or take a few extra lbs.

So. For the record. The LS1 IS HEAVIER THAN KA's AND SR's.
Therefore, the Viper V10 which is similar to an LS1 (An all aluminum push rod V motor), but with 2 more cylinders. It physically cannot be 31lbs lighter.

And also everyone is stupid.

excuse me atutt "You sir. Are a giant blundering oaf. (In other words, you're a fucking tool) And that goes for everyone else who thinks that." and calling me boy" i am pretty sure that you must not be from canada, because you my friend are an asshole, and the canadians i have met soo far are not like you, but then again, you might just be the exception.

the strange thing is, i never called you stupid nor did i insult you, you may only be 24, but you have a lot of growing up to do. I as the op of this thread, i am mearly quoting the specs of the gentleman who shelled out all the cash to have this project done, possible a monetary figure which your mcdonald's hourly wage, will NEVER come close to.

so you can continue to insult me, and what not. but deep down inside, we know you're struggling for attention, and we'll be here for you. but just to be a real dick, i'm gonna get you exact weight numbers so we can see if you're right... if you are right you should mail me a few boxes of those maple syrup cookies for being a dick to me.

handinpants
07-25-2010, 11:32 AM
You have no clue what you're talking about. There is 100% zero chance that an 8.4 liter V10 weights 505lbs. You want to know why? An LS1 weighs 497, and a VH45 weights 520.

Oh, and you're so smart and sciencey with your carbon makeup retort. Guess what? They still don't look good together.

And calm down, this is the internet, I'm just stating my opinions with facts, I'm not hating and saying the whole project is dumb or anything, just saying what I would do, and do differently. No harm no foul.


true. i agree with you that i might be wrong, as i am sometimes ,I just don't agree that guy from canada. if he's soo cool, maybe he should get out his super cool nerd car scale and weight the viper motor and trans for us too. but as far as the weight for the 8.3l, if i am not mistaken it weighs 230kg, in canadia measurements that equals to what? i think around 500lbs or so, but the guy from canada will know the metric system better than us

atutt
07-25-2010, 03:41 PM
excuse me atutt "You sir. Are a giant blundering oaf. (In other words, you're a fucking tool) And that goes for everyone else who thinks that." and calling me boy" i am pretty sure that you must not be from canada, because you my friend are an asshole, and the canadians i have met soo far are not like you, but then again, you might just be the exception.

the strange thing is, i never called you stupid nor did i insult you, you may only be 24, but you have a lot of growing up to do. I as the op of this thread, i am mearly quoting the specs of the gentleman who shelled out all the cash to have this project done, possible a monetary figure which your mcdonald's hourly wage, will NEVER come close to.

Precisely. You did no research. Nor did you take a step back to think logically.

Since when did McDonalds employ welders and pay them $68k per year? If this isa new direction for McD's, I'm going to have to quit my job and work for McDonalds. I'm down with Double Cheeseburgers everyday.
Again, you claim something without doing the slightest bit of research . Go look in the fab section.

so you can continue to insult me, and what not. but deep down inside, we know you're struggling for attention, and we'll be here for you. but just to be a real dick, i'm gonna get you exact weight numbers so we can see if you're right... if you are right you should mail me a few boxes of those maple syrup cookies for being a dick to me.

You caught me. I'm an attention whore. Please do get me weight numbers. For both engines. In the same manner as the pic I posted. Engines fully dressed minus fluids and exhaust manifolds. Along with the tranny with no fluids. Then post them. Once posted. If you are correct. I'll sell my LS1 and start gearing for a Viper V10 because it would somehow magically be lighter by defying physics.



true. i agree with you that i might be wrong, as i am sometimes ,I just don't agree that guy from canada. if he's soo cool, maybe he should get out his super cool nerd car scale and weight the viper motor and trans for us too. but as far as the weight for the 8.3l, if i am not mistaken it weighs 230kg, in canadia measurements that equals to what? i think around 500lbs or so, but the guy from canada will know the metric system better than us

Yeah. It must be hard to agree with something that makes complete logical sense. I mean, who knew that adding more steel and alloyed aluminums makes things lighter?
I shall refrain from posting stuff that makes sense.
Please send me a Viper V10 and tranny so I can weigh them.
You are mistaken. That V10 will weigh more than 230kilos...

!Zar!
07-25-2010, 04:34 PM
You all are acting like _______.

handinpants
07-26-2010, 01:31 AM
so we are arguing the weight differences correct. i do not have a cool scale nor do i have access to a new viper motor, but i will contact dodge regarding the weight. i think the motor that is used is a second generation. the new 8.3l is apparently 230kg, not sure what that means but it think it is about 505lbs, where they got this number i am not sure. but if you know anything about americans, we like things to look good on paper. i will do my homework, but it will take a little while.

like a day or so, and if i am wrong, i will totally own my part.

240sxnlr
08-06-2010, 10:51 AM
I will weigh in on this thread. I think that the build looks fairly awesome minus a few details that in my opinion do not work.(and by this I do not mean mechanically) I personally would not put that setup in a 240z, partly because I just would rather have a Nissan Powerplant under the hood of a classic Z Car. If I were to build one, I would probably go with the RB swap as I think it would look better proportionally. This build does go to show one thing though, with the right shoehorn you can dang near fit any motor into any chassis. This is all my opinon, others will vary.