Drift Tech: What ones do you use

[Zemus]

Here is what i use

Acceleration Off (Turning sharp and letting off the exelorator and then jump on it half way around)

Downshift (Downshift to initate the slide), using heel toe, somtimes

Heavy Acceleration thought corners (Keep it in 2nd or 3rd and then just roll on it)

Clutch Pop (Pop the clutch at full throttle around a turn and initiating the slide)

I dont know what you call it but, i swing my car left to right to left to get sideways on larger corners, to initiate a slide.

And no, i never use the ebrake, why, well mine doesnt work, i never has HAH
edit: i am sure i dident use correct terminalogy, sorry

[Dousan_PG]

right now a litttle bit of everything (ive tried them a few times)

braking
feint
ebrake
clutch kick
accelleration
off gas

er...i dont know terms
heel toe is normal. downshifting to first a 20-25mph im getting better at.

chokudori is fun

but im still not good. learning learning learning.


i love you LSD

[Zemus]

i love you LSD god damn it, i hate you


But yea, ive tryed a bit of everything, in slow speed courses ive found just staying in second or third and being at high revs is very good, and downshift if need be, and you alot of feint is great to use when doing this.

[Foxcolt]

I clutch kick all the time, except for very highspeed drifts. for those it's easy to power over.

Power over is great smooth and very predictable. Wish I had the power to do it on low speed turns.

Clutch kick is very unpredictable especially when you initiate while turning. Back kicks out very quickly and excessive countersteer is nessecary or else you'll spin

[Dousan_PG]

oh im beginner
KA24DE
top speed drift: ~60-65mph

not powerslide, but taking 2-3 consecutive corners w/ one drift.
or one corner and chokudori'ing out of it.

tires: Dunlop FM901 205/55/15

[Foxcolt]

Good way to practice steering corrections is to spin around a cone or pole. Thats what I orginally did, increasing turning radius and decreasing as I wanted.

We had a contest of who could choudori and pass the pole the closest. Once again my bumper fell off:D :eek: :D

[DoriftoSlut]

I guess I have a little bit of Haruguchi in me: Feint, sidebrake, clutchkick, then throttle control and brakes and side brake modulation to fine tune the slip angle. Sometimes braking drift, or sometimes just fient. Clutchkick just wont get you sideways early enough.... I got good ad going fast (3rd) and pulling sidebrake and locking rears for a while down the initiating straightaway and holding a slight angle. As you approach the turn, turn in quickly and ge off sidebrake, on throttle. I was trying to tell Aaron to do thins around the "donut" section of Drift Showoff, but he went all gung ho out there and got HELLLLLAAAA too sideways. Tee hee, it was fun to watch though, because eventually you started getting the hang of it.

But for the most part the most fun is getting sideways way early and power-over through the drift, clip the apex (slam on brakes heel/toe and try to lock up the fronts!) and exit with speed! Downhill is Fuuuuuuuun! But I DO NOT condone that, nor do i partake in that anymore. (street)

[ny_jee]

Combination of weight shifting and accel off(in a way, it's weight shifting...). Rock car to opposite side of the corner, rock back while lift off throttle(shifting weight to front). Floor gas, counter, throttle control. To change angle, e-brake, to slow down/slide into corner, brake. To keep sliding, pop clutch(poor stock KA is got no power...). Pending tires, the techniques utilized to initiate drift changes. But I'd say know all the techniques first, one day they do come in handy. I relied heavily on clutch kicking when first started on open diff. Then e-brake when I went to vlsd. Then heavily on the combo techniques when I started getting suspension mods... Now, combo of pretty much everythinng... I am all about basics.

[Foxcolt]

Hey dorifto can you explain some more about locking up your front wheels? What does this effect? And how is it benifiecial?

How do you guys use the sidebrake in the middle of a slide?

Is it "sliding" push clutch down, ebrake, countersteer more, clutch up, modulate throttle?

I've never used the ebrake, in the whole time I've been learning. What are some other methods you guys use the ebrake for?

Detail detail!:D

[ny_jee]

I thought I had just posted about using e-brake... Maybe I wasn't clear on it.

Sliding into turns, if running to wide, I use e-brake to correct the angle. However, it's not the only way.

Clutch in, e-brake, counter, clutch out, modulate throttle... You might want to rephrase that a bit, pending how ppl interpret that... It'll mean different things.

[Dousan_PG]

werd i do same
use ebrake to correct/fix lines and such
throttle control is what i do most of course to fix the angle. but if the bakc grip a quick ebrake pull to fix that and kick it out farther

chokudori is all throttle and clutch control.


one day i'll be as smooth as koughi......riiiiiight

[Zemus]

Originally posted by Foxcolt

I've never used the ebrake, in the whole time I've been learning. What are some other methods you guys use the ebrake for?

Detail detail!:D i also have never used the ebrake, mine has always been broken and i never had a good use for it, it would have been nice for doing 180s or 360s.

[Foxcolt]

ok here's another question.

When you guys ebrake, do you clutch in (meaning pedal) before you pull the ebrake?

And if you do, when doing it to correct angle do you clutch kick back (meaning rev before you clutch out) or you just clutch out at same throttle postition you were at before you clutch in.

lol I hope that makes sense:D

[Dousan_PG]

for me it depends

if im initiating w/ ebrake, clutch in, ebrake, and still on gas drop clutch

sometimes if fine tuning off gas jerk ebrake



i am still learning more ebrake usagings for initiating and mid drift so i try and expiriment some.

[ny_jee]

I don't clutch in unless clutch kicking. Gas foot is constantly on gas pedal, just how much I step on it. And yes, meaning even during e-brake, my gas foot's on there. As for reving during clutch in(assuming you talking about clutch kick/pop)... Same thing, gas foot on there, clutch in, pop, more/less gas. Hope by now you've realize it's more about controling your throttle rather than other things. Clutch kick, e-brake, feint, or whatever technique you use, what it comes down to is how good you are at controlling throttle.

Edit: Almost forgot, there are times when my foot's off the gas. When I am shifting weight to the front.

[Foxcolt]

Well considering I've never used ebrake before I think I'm pretty good at throttle control:p

Only reason why I asked was because the few times I've tried to ebrake in gear I can't lock up the rears.

Wouldn't that cause immense driveline shock?

Or maybe I just need new pads:confused: '


Thanks for all the help!

[Dousan_PG]

i can lock up rears w/ clutch in. that is the way i guess. i cant do it with clutch out.
ny_jee is heavy foot i think, hence why his style is crazier, mine's too timid. need to more agressive. ny_jee is balls out.

foxcolt. get good rear pads (not oem) as well as front, uprade to SS lines as well you get better overall brake response and you will notice.
you can chokudori using ebrake as well, but its harder hehe..its easier shifting weight and throttle control and steering, but with ebrake it is cooler haha..nothing like a car going downt he straightsideways and the rear wheels are locked up. :)

remember kids: drifting is rice=show.

[Foxcolt]

yeah I'm running stock lines w/ 300z brakes. I've had my ss lines sitting on my microwave for a while now:D

Thanks for the info!

Wow, I haven't even gotten to the point where I've developed a style yet. :eek:

[ny_jee]

Actually, now that I think about it... I lift off gas when I e-brake too... But have never had to clutch in, I guess everyone's a little different.

About not able to lock up... Couple things I experienced while practicing w/ e-brake... 1)not fast enough, pulling it just stop the car's momentum, 2)didn't pull e-brake hard enough, worn pad or other things... 3)line is off(meaning line into thy corner), the weight shifting naturally will be off

However, MY experience(so I am not generalizing...) tells me e-brake will initiate oversteer quicker than clutch kick. Weight transfer will initiate quicker than e-brake. However, utilizing all 3(simotaneously at times) will increase the speed, the duration, and successfully pulling off a high speed drift(D1 Drivers, if you've seen option/drift tengoku...). I am usually pretty occupied with just one, sometimes I might get to use e-brake. So, if D1 Drivers were like NBA players... Then I am like stepping out on the blacktop for the first time... (bad analogy?)

[Dousan_PG]

if d1 is like basketball, im still tieing my shoes hahaha

yeah d1 guys are nuts how much they do at once. feint, ebrake, brake (sometimes), throttle control, shift, all at 90some MPH sometimes haha...that's nuts how fast everything flies by and you are doing that.


just takes practice.
i need to work on weighttransfer more. that's my weakest point. i can throttle control but the initiation im told is pretty pathetic (start late and weight transfer needs to be better). just takes practice.


stay safe!

[Zemus]

Originally posted by dousan36
if d1 is like basketball, im still tieing my shoes hahaha

yeah d1 guys are nuts how much they do at once. feint, ebrake, brake (sometimes), throttle control, shift, all at 90some MPH sometimes haha...that's nuts how fast everything flies by and you are doing that.


just takes practice.
i need to work on weighttransfer more. that's my weakest point. i can throttle control but the initiation im told is pretty pathetic (start late and weight transfer needs to be better). just takes practice.


stay safe!

I got weight transfur down, and i think i am a great drifter seeing as im drifting on an OPEN DIFF, god damn i want LSD

[DoriftoSlut]

Aaron and Nicky!!! You guys will be amazed initiating a drift with the clutch in, side buraki, getting way sideways (haruguchi style), the rev, dump clutch, fine tune, THEN get to apex (going Faaast [& Furious]) and slam on brakes and stay on gas a bit to rotate the rear but lock up and slide the fronts. Coming out of the slide you will be a little too wide 7 times out of 10, so a clutch-kick or turn-in(better looking, imo) will rotate you nicely and you can finish the corner however style you need for the next corner. Thats how D1 guys are so damned fast going ito corners... as the approach and subsiquently clip the apex, the lock up the fronts (Not rears, cause you try to stay on gas) and bleed off a lot of speed. It keeps a TIGHT line, too... MMmmmmmm. Try it nex ttime your out (not disclosing when...). And tell em about it. And aaron! I expect a call this weeking telling me you learned a lot! :D Peace guys, keep the whorin' goin' for me...

[Dousan_PG]

dorifto
your nuts
i cant wait to try it :D
hurry up and move. dammit.
i want to drift next to yoru car and hit it hahaha...did you watch that option one with Asamoto, the OLD footage on, dt #14 action...did i give you that tape? if not let me know
nicky has it right now, the 5 car sideby side drifting (orange FD is asamotos). good stuff hehehehe..

[ny_jee]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Aaron and Nicky!!! You guys will be amazed initiating a drift with the clutch in, side buraki, getting way sideways (haruguchi style), the rev, dump clutch, fine tune, THEN get to apex (going Faaast [& Furious]) and slam on brakes and stay on gas a bit to rotate the rear but lock up and slide the fronts. Coming out of the slide you will be a little too wide 7 times out of 10, so a clutch-kick or turn-in(better looking, imo) will rotate you nicely and you can finish the corner however style you need for the next corner. Thats how D1 guys are so damned fast going ito corners... as the approach and subsiquently clip the apex, the lock up the fronts (Not rears, cause you try to stay on gas) and bleed off a lot of speed. It keeps a TIGHT line, too... MMmmmmmm. Try it nex ttime your out (not disclosing when...). And tell em about it. And aaron! I expect a call this weeking telling me you learned a lot! :D Peace guys, keep the whorin' goin' for me...


I'll give that a try, it's just I think clutch in would lose too much speed... I'll let you know what the results were.


I got weight transfur down, and i think i am a great drifter seeing as im drifting on an OPEN DIFF, god damn i want LSD


That's great for ya! I started out on Open Diff too. When you get an LSD, you'll see how different it is... Even just VLSD(but I don't recommend them for drifting). Drawing from personal experience again... Open diff is easier to learn breaking lose than VLSD. To drift, VLSD better than open diff. To really drift, clutch LSD.


nicky has it right now, the 5 car sideby side drifting (orange FD is asamotos). good stuff hehehehe.


Wwhich one? I have quite a few from you, haha~ need to get them back to you or what? Not mine to keep?

[Dousan_PG]

if you want a copy for YOU let me know
ill record it off that one. i sold it for 20 bucks (bought it for 20) haha..just made a copy. bring it back to me!! (call me tomorrow)
ill try and rent #57 HV and another option (106/7) tomoorrow for you.

i might go to video store right now actually HMMMMM

[Dousan_PG]

revised!

top drift entrance speed: 71 mph

3rd gear love baby :) 3rd gear love..... :)

i nailed a few pretty good but a lot was f'd up. made most of the turn but came in too close to edge. next time start wide

worked on tons of ebrake techniques on various corners, i see where its useful and not for my driving type :)

[DSC]

Wouldn't your engine stall if you locked up the rears w/out the clutch disengaged?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by DSC
Wouldn't your engine stall if you locked up the rears w/out the clutch disengaged?

nope!
coming into the corner 60-70mph
i did like this for the left hander

3rd gear
pull wheel left
clutch in
counter right
pull ebrake (locks rears)
revmatch
downshift 2nd
ebrake down
clutch out
accellerate/throttle control/steering wheel control

WHEW

haha..all in a few moments
its hard doing it though. i can see how a short shifter can be beneficial.

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by DSC
Wouldn't your engine stall if you locked up the rears w/out the clutch disengaged?
Yes it would stall.

Aaron, by pushing the clutch pedal, you disengage the clutch from the tranny. This is why you guys never got full locking when just sidebraking without the clutch in...

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Yes it would stall.

Aaron, by pushing the clutch pedal, you disengage the clutch from the tranny. This is why you guys never got full locking when just sidebraking without the clutch in...

oh i c
whoops
i cant full lock w/o clutch engaged
i can ebrake but it wont lock

my bad, i mizuderstoodz ja

[ISTOTOSAO]

I haven't been to a track yet so I don't really go balls out. I accelerate towards the turnbrake to get my weight forward as I start turning then gun it and my ass just shots out. no lsd though so grtting to come back in smooth requires lots of gas to keep them spinning.

[adey]

Aww shucks, I would have liked to see your 3rd gear drifts, aaron! That must be NICE. Sorry I didn't make it out, I was sleeping the whole day. :o
Anyway I'll see some of your POWER this coming sunday! (do we novices have practice saturday too, or is that just for the competition guys?)
Anyway... good to hear you did well on sunday. :)