street racing... again.

[russian]

i understand that many of you might have had bad experiences that made your opinion striaght on street racing, since there are always pure idiots endagaring people around. But people like that just make a really bad name for everyone, people like us.

so here is the question,
so you just positevely would NOT street race for any reason, even if road is clear?

I just get a maaaad adrenalin rush from it, but theres a border between reletavily safe street racing from stupidity which i dont cross. so i assume that i'm alone in my thoughts? i dont wanna get flamed just want everyones opinion.

[Dousan_PG]

what i do on the streets i dont talk about or post.

so to answer you question:

no i wouldnt do anything. :D ;)

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by russian
so here is the question,
so you just positevely would NOT street race for any reason, even if road is clear?

Yup. A public street is never "clear".

[SR240SXT]

if the road is clear and there are no cops around i go for it, it depends on the situation, and i've never had a close call or anything like that. you just got to know how to limit yourself and you'll be fine, but have some fun when you get a chance.

[russian]

if the road is clear and there are no cops around i go for it, it depends on the situation, and i've never had a close call or anything like that. you just got to know how to limit yourself and you'll be fine, but have some fun when you get a chance

im the same way, i just like the adrenaline jush, but i dont get stupid.

[ruf]

Those are famous last words.

Put it on the track and streets will be boring from then on. You won't even FEEL like driving fast.

[CoasTek240]

Originally posted by SR240SXT
if the road is clear and there are no cops around i go for it
as opposed to if there are cops around.. i think thats a given.
besides you can always see the cops.. i dont care how good ur eyes or insticts are.. they get ya sometimes.. they're paid to.

[sykikchimp]

I agree with Ruf.. after I went to a real track, and got to REALLY drive my car.. street racing lost ALL it's luster. Hell, I barely speed anymore.

[Dousan_PG]

serious? i cant help having 'fun'


2 track events a month IS NOT ENOUGH. dying dying!!!



hello, my name is aaron and i have an addiction.....

[Bbandit]

Originally posted by ruf
Those are famous last words.

Put it on the track and streets will be boring from then on. You won't even FEEL like driving fast.

agreed :cool:

[KiDyNomiTe]

I would assume a lot of us hate the fact that people advertise all thier races (well not so much anymore), but I know that some of you go to races, or do redlight races, but just don't talk about it unless it is a spectacular defeat.


Plus we hate reading stories of people getting into car accidents, or worse people dying from racing, so avoid racing, but its your choice, keep in mind you can't do the time don't commit the crime.

[Chokets]

let's say it is a clear road, but there's always the car next to you, whom you probably don't know, and their driving skills are unknow, if they do something stupid and you hit them, and kill them then you just commited "accidental manslaghter" and would go to jail, all for a little "rush"
that's totally not worth it...
maybe things are different in Russia though, if so then you can always go back to Russia.

[Tyler Durdan]

My only goal in life is to have a character in Initial D named after me for my street racing accomplishments.

<--------Slaps himself for that dumba*s statement.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by Chokets
let's say it is a clear road, but there's always the car next to you, whom you probably don't know, and their driving skills are unknow, if they do something stupid and you hit them, and kill them then you just commited "accidental manslaghter" and would go to jail, all for a little "rush"
that's totally not worth it...
maybe things are different in Russia though, if so then you can always go back to Russia.

Damn what a dumbass statement. Especially that last sentence. Mabey he has Russian parents. Mabey he just likes the name "Russian." Mabey you shouldn't attack people based on their name and bloodline. Asshole.
I really think that most people know the benefits and risks associated with street racing, so I will take the unpopular view and say "do what you want." Everybody makes you think that just because you hit a certain speed (what, 100mph?) your steering lines will blow out, your tires will burst, and you will lose control.
Another popular argument is that women and baby strollers with cute babies inside are crossing Interstate Highways, and 4-6 lane State Roads/Inner City Highways.
Everyone knows that cops will get you, you can wreck your car, ect. I just don't want to hear about it afterwards.
I was going to close this post, but now that I've posted debatable points, go ahead. But...
DO NOT ATTACK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD!
-Jeff

[AKADriver]

Street racing isn't a question of speed. I speed. Everyone speeds.

It's a question of competition. When you throw beating the other guy into the mix, you take more chances and make more mistakes. Read some of the street racing stories posted closely... they all mention weaving through traffic to catch up to the other guy. That's when things get fugly.

Little old ladies and moms pushing strollers might not be out there as pedestrians on 6-lane arteries, but they're out there in their cars trying to pull in from the cross streets. Those are the most common street racing accidents involving innocent bystanders. That's how people get killed, and it just doesn't have to happen.

There is no defense for street racing. A season of legal drag racing or autocrossing costs less than one street racing ticket.

[Steeles]

I agree its all about your timing. street racing at 505 through the city with 2 million commuters is just plain stupid but 4 am on a deserted back road is another story. I drive aggressivly on the street but I wont race anyone if the suns up. too many variables then. even stop light to stoplight if we are the first two cars I wont do it.. theres always that guy that takes too long to decide he's pulling out or th idiot that thinks he can beat that other light. I like my car too much to risk it that way

[logo20]

I agree its all about your timing. street racing at 505 through the city with 2 million commuters is just plain stupid but 4 am on a deserted back road is another story. I drive aggressivly on the street but I wont race anyone if the suns up. too many variables then. even stop light to stoplight if we are the first two cars I wont do it.. theres always that guy that takes too long to decide he's pulling out or th idiot that thinks he can beat that other light. I like my car too much to risk it that way
I agree. I don't get that "rush" to street race anymore, I know my car so I don't need to compete with anybody else and I like it too much to risk getting in an wreck. i speed and drive aggressive a lot of the time, that fun enough for me, I still need to try autox.

[andrave]

I would like to relate to you the story of my roommate. His cousin was driving a prelude and street racing in Maryland. My roommate drove the car home that night, and apparently a female officer had witnessed the car being raced and assumed the same driver was at the wheel. She pulled him over, with his cousin (now driving another guy's integra) and wrote them both street racing tickets. She admitted they were not speeding at the time she pulled them over, but said they had accelerated in a speed contest from a redlight.
My roommate hired a lawyer and waited for the trial. His lawyer requested the police video from the car, which the police declined to give, as they said they reserved the right to only put objects into evidence which supported the officer's side.
The trial went, and he plea bargained to reckless driving. For 2 years, he cannot get another moving violation or he loses his license for 2 years. If he had been convicted of the speed contest, he would have lost his license for 2 years.
Keep in mind this is for a simple stop light drag, under the legal limit, according to the officer.
It turned out that maryland or west virginia made a clerical error and reported that he was convicted of the greater speed contest charge and he did lose his license for a few months until the error was corrected. He also lost his license for a month or so before the trial.
In addition, he had to pay a fine of somewhere around $600 bucks plus his lawyer's fees.
This is in a fairly rural part of maryland, and the laws are fairly lax. All of this, ONLY FOR A SUPPOSED RACE UNDER THE LEGAL LIMIT.

I know in certain cities the penalities are even more severe such as impounding, and they have laws regarding charges like "attempting to instigate a speed contest" (ie, revving engine, etc) and facilitating a speed contest, ie, starting a race.
In some places in california they close down blocks at a time and charge everyone there, the audience and the racers.

I admit I will accelerate against a cavalier or something that revs at me on the highway, but not like I used. I used to race everywhere.

I can't afford the things that happened to him to happen to me, and I doubt you can either.

[s14slide]

The way I see, do what you want to do. But like my pops always said, "the stupid shall be punished." And they occasionally take an innocent bystander w/ them. Are you willing to take someone else's life for a rush. Man, I felt horrible when a drunk stepped out in front of my car when I first got it. I only hit him at 15mph, but he got messed up pretty good(wasn't my fault :p ). He only had minor injuries, and it wasn't my fault, but I still felt completely horrible. I couldn't imagine if I took someone else's life for my own little rush. If you want a rush, jump off a bridge into a river. It's fun.
On another note, take a second to realize that Nissan no longer makes the s13 or s14 chassis anymore and that if you do F**K up or something out of your control does happen and you crash your car from stupidity, you just erased one more good car that's already an endangered species.
Last, I personally do not want to waste all the money I have spent or will spend on my car just to say "I beat you." If you really take care of your car, you'll realize you don't like spending all that money on maintenance and mods for some dumb punk who wants to show his balls in public. Get out of that highschool, gotta prove I'm better than you mentality, out of your head and grow up.

Disclaimer: This statement was not directed at anyone or intended to offend anybody in any particular way. It's the truth. If your offended, get over it.

[DuffMan]

Andrave that is a good story, but it really doesn't show that street racing is bad. It just shows how much the system sucks!

[christopher]

Street racing is stupid. Sometimes so am I.

I have done it. I don't search for opportunities like some do. That seems foolish.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by DuffMan
Andrave that is a good story, but it really doesn't show that street racing is bad. It just shows how much the system sucks!

Yeah.. moral of the story.. don't do things that are dumb like getting caught street racing. then you have to deal with "The Man".. don't let "The Man" bring you down.. lol :D

[Jim96SC2]

Street racing is what you make of it...

Case #1:
Line up next to some "phat h00kt up stuff yo" on a busy road and slam through the gears...

Case #2:
Spend time finding unused roads. Collect traffic cones you find on the side of the road/woods/wherever. Close off the street. Have a small drivers meeting. Walk the track. Practice runs. Then have grude matches.

I used to do #2 a lot. I know why. The nearest track to me is 1 hour away. It closes at 9. I work till 9 or 5 the days it's open. By the time I pick up my car, go with traffic (+30 mins and +30 mins respectivly) I have 2 hours of racing. This equates to about 2-4 races. Pathetic. On the street things go smothly. No one has even had a nearly-almost-sorta call so far, and we keep it that way (3 years). The track is great if you can get to it. But if you just want to have some fun grudgematches and it's the best you can do the street is sometimes the only option.

[andrave]

Andrave that is a good story, but it really doesn't show that street racing is bad. It just shows how much the system sucks!

true, but the point was that the penalties are friggin strict, and in small towns, you can run from the cops all you want. They will pull up to your HS, your college, the walmart parking lot, and get your tag numbers later, and say they got them while chasing you.
If you don't think I'm telling the truth, that happened to me in HS. A cop caught me speeding and I didn't even realize he was behind me, but apparently he wrote it up as me evading the police. His son went to my HS and told his dad it was my car, so the cop came up during school and wrote down my tags. I SAW him do it, from the window of my geometry class.
The next day he called my mom and had us come down to the courthouse.
I got lucky, he didn't have his radar certificate and he couldn't give me a ticket (and legally had no right to pursue me that night, which my mom went off on him for).

But its ****ty, street racing... I spent my first night at an open track at houston baytown race park last week and saw a lot of cool cars. Guys blew shifts, had bad launches, but they got to run again and again, and you didn't have to run your friend head to head on a busy street. If you were faster, your time showed it. If you had more power, your speed showed it.

I liked it a lot, if i had a track like that nearby, I wouldn't even think of racing. I know for the more rural guys that isn't always an option, but most of the time there are tracks within an hour or two, even in rural areas.

And for racing, no excuses, timeslip versus timeslip, well.. you'll never find that kind of race on the street.

You pay 15 bucks, and don't have to worry about pedestrians, cops, debris in the road, any of that.

And you don't have to listen to Vinn Disel talking about blowing the welds on the intake manifold with nozz or take advice from Ja Rule talking about himself in the third person. You don't have to take **** from anyone, and you don't have to bull****. Your time is there. If your bodykit and carbon fiber wing don't back up a quick timeslip, you don't get respect. If your car is primered and running 11's, well, you are the ****.

[Chokets]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
Damn what a dumbass statement. Especially that last sentence. Mabey he has Russian parents. Mabey he just likes the name "Russian." Mabey you shouldn't attack people based on their name and bloodline. Asshole.

Chill out dude! My Dad's Russian(not) but still, i didn't mean anything racist about it... "Go back to Russia" is a common slang term used among my friends, meaning that's not the kind of thing we want in USA, it was just a funny COINCIDENCE that the dude's handle is "Russian" so chill out ok? and what's with the foul language Mr. Moderator, way to set an example for others!


~Maybe Mari

[alkatraz]

Why risk getting your car and license taken away over a stupid race? It's not like your even getting timed!



"yeah man, I beat a Honda Civic street racing last night!"

"how fast was it?"

"umm i dunno man, it was fast dude, real fast! I bet it was like low 10's in the 1/4 mile!"



^-- err.. ya right. Go to a track and compete with TIMES. Times is the only accurate measure of who's car is fastest.

Streetracing kills.

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by Chokets
Chill out dude! My Dad's Russian(not) but still, i didn't mean anything racist about it... "Go back to Russia" is a common slang term used among my friends, meaning that's not the kind of thing we want in USA, it was just a funny COINCIDENCE that the dude's handle is "Russian" so chill out ok? and what's with the foul language Mr. Moderator, way to set an example for others!


~Maybe Mari

OK wow.
Do you see the flaw in that statement?
You remind me of this guy I knew in high school. I'm japanese but he thought it was funny to call me "Chang". I just ignored him for the most part, cuz I just saw him as not worth my time (not to mention I could have any number of guys kick his ass at any point and he knew it, it pays to be spanish tutor to football guys, hahaha) anyways... one day he says, "Hey Chang, me love u long time!"... and I blew up,
"Are you so ****ing dense that you don't realize I'm japanese? Or don't you know the difference? Regardless, do you enjoy being a racist asshole?!"

his reply, "dude, chill out, i wasn't being racist, damn... chinese... japanese... same thing"

I rushed his ass but it was in the middle of class and some guys grabbed me before I could plant my foot in the side of his head, the guy got suspended for 3 days, and spent the rest of the semester looking over his shoulder, cuz I had all my martial arts buds follow him around and make him paranoid whenever possible....

ANYWAYS... that was a long story that represents the idiocy of the statement u just made. Obviously you're being totally ignorant of how racist your statement sounds. If I see a guy get ripped off on something he buys and I say, "damn, u got jewed man!". that's racist, regardless of if everyone I know uses that idiom. Calling something "gay" is the same thing. Jesus some people are oblivious.

[Chokets]

You're a racist! haha...

anyways, your story had nothing to do with this. but it was interesting.

i'm not a racist, not a biggot, i love everyone and have nothing against Russians (cept for the whole war on Iraq thing and them selling GPS blockers to Saddam, but that has nothing to do with the russian people as individuals) every person can be a blessing, we are all special regardless of race and we were all made in the image of God. Let's stop the fuss'in and the feud'in!

[Dousan_PG]

it has a lot to do with this thread

and we sold stuff to saddam back in the day (and same w/ bin laden) so dont bring that stuff up, its for off topic


cant we all just get along?! :D

[Steeles]

Originally posted by alkatraz

Streetracing kills.

and no ones ever died on a race track :rolleyes:

sorry had to play devils advocate to that one. motorsports no matter what are dangerous to the drivers and spectators. its a fact as old as the automobile. Hell its been true since we got up on horseback. It's like motorcyclists and laying down their bikes, its a question of WHEN not IF your gonna have an accident. we all run that risk everytime we get behind the wheel. whether we are street racing and something happens on the track and something happens or walking down the street when something happens to someone elses car. yelling and screaming about "Streetracing kills" is stupid. Death is the number one killer in america and currently there is no known cure for death..(sorry Kentucky Fried Movie quote there) if your gonna yell about it yell driving kills

[Kreator]

Originally posted by Chokets
(cept for the whole war on Iraq thing and them selling GPS blockers to Saddam

rofl foo

another ignorant comment from a person who is watching the american news 5 mins a day

but i won't say anything else on that topic.

On the street racing thing though:
I'd race up to 10mph over the speed limit. Sometimes it's just cool to race some car you don't know if you can beat (si, prelude, z24 etc). Plus, sometimes you just wonna show the asshole in the riced up civic next to you, how slow his car is.... but yeah, general racing - take it to the track.

[Steeles]

Originally posted by dousan36

cant we all just get along?! :D

How boring would that be?!?!??! I mean everyone playing nice? *shivers* how droll :D

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by Steeles
and no ones ever died on a race track :rolleyes:

No one has ever died racing that didn't accept the consequences. Race tracks don't have cross streets and pedestrians.

[Chokets]

Originally posted by AKADriver
No one has ever died racing that didn't accept the consequences. Race tracks don't have cross streets and pedestrians.

CHEERS! that's it right there!

[rewplayff]

question. if your license is supended for a little while. can you still join track events?

[Steeles]

Originally posted by AKADriver
No one has ever died racing that didn't accept the consequences. Race tracks don't have cross streets and pedestrians.

yes but racers have taken out spectators in all sorts of racing events, they were just as innocent as any pedestrian or motorist on that cross street. its simple ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. street strip track they will happen and innocent people will get hurt.

(can you tell Im enjoying playing devil's advocate here?)

[BLiTz]

There are many good points in this thead, many good ones, many dum ones, but there are so many different forms that "Street Racing" can take its really hard to just have a "yes" or "no" answer, now before i got my car i went with a good friend thats got a S14, to several meets in town, not drag! but cruising around and stuff, looking back, it was dumb as fuk, and i would never do it again, espically not with my car. but i GUARENTEE that if i saw any of you 240 enthuists on the street and got beside you you and looked right at you, that you would atleast drop a gear, no one is gonna let someone blantly try them (if its a 240 espically) it all goes back to that male mascaline crap. its an honor thing(as bad as that sounds) im not saying that you would run until you car tops out, but just some acceleration, and thats about all ill do to...i completly agree, ive wrecked my car, and i NEVER want to do it again, i have never hit anyther vehicle though, it was my fault, minor thing, but set me bad about 3 points and about $1200. And cost me a saturday fixing a fence:rolleyes: (don't worry not drifting related) So no i don't condone "Street Racing" and what happens on the streets, stays on the streets i guess, not just with racing with with everything, its your business, and get it how you live...

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by rewplayff
question. if your license is supended for a little while. can you still join track events?

no.

edit: think about this.. if the state doesn't trust you to drive on their streets, why would a private org. trust you to RACE on theirs?

once you get it back though, you can do what you want.

[Stee Flo]

Originally posted by Steeles
yes but racers have taken out spectators in all sorts of racing events, they were just as innocent as any pedestrian or motorist on that cross street. its simple ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. street strip track they will happen and innocent people will get hurt.

(can you tell Im enjoying playing devil's advocate here?) Yes they were innocent but the spectators also know that there are risks involved from watching. They choose to watch at their own risk, no one is putting them in that position. In the case of street racing, a pedestrian isnt expecting a car to be coming at 80mph in a 25mph zone.

[andrave]

couple points- you just gotta check as far as the track thing. most tracks require you to have your license. some may not.

another point- when you get a ticket to a race, if you check the back they usually say "the bearer of this ticket accepts all liability and responsibility," etc...
ie, you are accepting the risk by attending the event.

I haven't seen anything like that to walk on a sidewalk or drive through a green light.

finally, if the US would quit making accusations, for instance, my girlfriend is in Ukraine... and they accused Ukraine of selling Iraq some radar equipment. It turns out that we accused them and withheld 34 million in aid from them based solely on a tape that a whistle blower in their government turned in to the US. A single audio tape.
Ukraine has been asking the united nations for a full investigation but the US didn't stick around asking for proof. They got what they wanted, a reason to try and blackmail ukarine to support the US's twisted foreign policies. Ukraine has suffered through both world wars and would not wish that upon anyone.
Because of this, they lost an awful lot of aid and received negative worldwide headlines.
I know its offtopic, but it really ****es me off.

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Stee Flo
Yes they were innocent but the spectators also know that there are risks involved from watching. They choose to watch at their own risk, no one is putting them in that position. In the case of street racing, a pedestrian isnt expecting a car to be coming at 80mph in a 25mph zone.

but the pedestrians expect cars to be on the road and even at 25 mph a car is deadly to a pedestrian

edit :plus in the case of most organized street racing (at least all I hear about) happens at ungodly late hours away from where pedestrians WOULD be even during normal hours. of course this isnt always true and does exclude those stoplight challenges. I would think highway battles are naturally excluded. who walks acros a four lane freeway anyway?

[Dark]

I havn't read all the coments posted on this thread but I would like to point out a few things.

People do get killed when they street race chances of something going wrong in public roads are higher. Spilt oil, nails and many other problems could occur.

You can still die while racing in a racetrack but chances are lower because people there are trained for possible accidents but death is still possible. Over the years motorsports have become safer but people still die so be careful.

Speed kills period just because you made it this time doesn’t mean you will next time so don’t tempt fate.

The last thing I want on my conscience is the death of someone innocent.

I love driving I can’t explain why but I do. I will always strive to improve but I will never do it at the expense of other peoples lives.

You may agree or disagree with me but I said my peace.

[SimpleS14]

No....I already got two speeding tickets and watched near fatal accidents happen in front of me.....on "CLEAR" streets.

What finally made me say "F*CK STREET RACING!!" is when a young girl (18) died in a serious car accident.....JUST ONE MILE AWAY FROM MY HOME.

The girl was racing someone on RT. 1(for anyone in VA)...which is a two lane street (for the most part). There is a section where the street is temporary three lanes and merges back into one as your going down a hill. Well...this girl was racing someone to see who gets to the clear lane first. She neglected to give way, but was afraid of crashing....so she panically swired, oversteered in lost control of her car (2002 VW GTi). Since she was going downhill....her speed was slightly increased...either way....she lost control and slammed right into a tree (surrounded by other trees). The car rolled over and hit the tree roof first and bend the car into a "V" shape. She was driving with two other friends (both under 18)....they were ejected from the car (possibly not wearing seat belts) but survived for rescue to arrive. As for the driver....well....you know she died.....she died right on the spot. I really don't want to explain how they found her. :( Ironically where she had the accident was only 50ft away from a junkyard. Her car was put aside in front of the sandy junkyard "parking lot" where everyone can see the car.....that was the first thing I saw. :( Get this.....the accident happened on a CLEAR sunday afternoon. The status of the two passenger is unknown since these people actually live in another county (30 miles away). Well....every single day I go home from work, school, or social life I have to drive pass the 35mph speed sign, the HUGE mark on the tree and the multiple flowers and notes placed against the site where this girl died. :(

So...yea.....f*ck street racing....