Tein Type HA

[weirdstyles.net]

so my shocks are shot and my brakes are broke.

Im lookin at the Tein Super Street setup, whenever the hell they release it. But is the Type HA a good setup, for street and mild auto-x? (1990 FB)

I dont know much when it comes to suspension, so please bear with me. The HA kit come as four complete strut assemblys, correct? Spring wrapped around shock? So, I wouldnt have to buy aftermarket springs after I purchase the HA/SS kit?

Comfort is not my main concern, more over as better handeling with comfort to boot.

Can someone please help me? Im loosing my mind here. What should I do with my suspension?

[drift into a curb]

You should use the http://www.zilvia.net/f/blued2/top_search.gif button.

You're correct, the Tein HAs include a strut assembly with the spring. The HAs didn't include Pillow Upper Mount (to adjust front camber) which costs extra. The Tein HAs also had a problem of rust because they didn't have a teflon coating. If you're patient, try JIC Magic coilovers.

[weirdstyles.net]

Thanks for the info, and try to search for Tein HA, see how that works out.


Im no n00b son, I know what the search is. Im desperate because of my limited knowledge of suspension. It seems no matter how much **** I read (tech) I can not grasp it.

[sykikchimp]

not to be a smart ass but this picture:
http://www.tein.co.jp/img/back.jpg

is on the home page of teins website. If you had gone to their site for 5 min, you would know everything you could want to know about their setups. Does it look like they come with springs in the picture?

[NiteKids]

To put in bluntley and lack of words. ...Tein sucks. JIC, Zeal, GET, etc. much better

[DoriftoSlut]

Looks like that pic is Tein Flex, not HA's.

Here:
http://www.tein.co.jp/img/ha1.jpg

Those are HA's... no lower adjustable bracket.

For the original poster: Try Tein HE's. They are very comfortable on the street. 8/6 springs feel good, but the valving is too soft for constant track drifting use (Dousan hates them for the track... ~60mph drifting...) For AutoX, they should be fine. Also, since they supposedly have to be special ordered from Japan, try getting the FLEX if you have to get something else.

[pinoydrifter]

Hi, I agree with dorifto180sx. I think the tein he suspension is a good setup for the street. The tein suspension is not a super stiff suspension, yet it is stiff enough for some track use. "SOME"BEING A KEY WORD. So I think it is a pretty good all around suspension. Cheers-

[weirdstyles.net]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
not to be a smart ass but this picture:
http://www.tein.co.jp/img/back.jpg

is on the home page of teins website. If you had gone to their site for 5 min, you would know everything you could want to know about their setups. Does it look like they come with springs in the picture?

I buy car parts, not pictures. They can show me alot of ****, but only sell a few parts of it. Like I said, I do not know that much about suspension, and am slowly attempting to gain more. I think most of the board would agree to asking a itty bitty question, which is not an overly common one, just to be sure he is spending 1200 on worthy suspension and making sure he gets what he needs.

Thank you to those who have positivly commented, instead of wasting their, and your, time on needless "Search this..." replys.

For those of you with suspension knowledge, how should I choose my suspension setup? What should I look for?

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
I buy car parts, not pictures. They can show me alot of ****, but only sell a few parts of it. Like I said, I do not know that much about suspension, and am slowly attempting to gain more. I think most of the board would agree to asking a itty bitty question, which is not an overly common one, just to be sure he is spending 1200 on worthy suspension and making sure he gets what he needs.

Thank you to those who have positivly commented, instead of wasting their, and your, time on needless "Search this..." replys.

For those of you with suspension knowledge, how should I choose my suspension setup? What should I look for?

Sorry if I offended you as that was not my intention. I was simply pointing out that this part of your question:


I dont know much when it comes to suspension, so please bear with me. The HA kit come as four complete strut assemblys, correct? Spring wrapped around shock? So, I wouldnt have to buy aftermarket springs after I purchase the HA/SS kit?

Was pointless, and that you could have found out what the kit comes with with 5 minutes of actual research. I know there are questions on here everyday where guys post and don't research. They are annoying. Please be a good member and make your questions specific, and knowledgable. Show you did some research, and that you are trying to learn. Don't just come on and post up your every whim.


to prove my point, go here:
http://www.tein.com/ssdamp.html
from that link.. first thing:
Contents of damper kit
Adjustable shock absorber x4, Main spring x4
Lower spring seat x4, Seat lock x4, Thrust washer x4
Bump rubber x4, Dust cover x4
Hook spanner x2, Instruction manual

*Strut suspension comes with upper spring seat.



p.s. please understand this is not a "Flame".. just construcctive critisism for the good of the community. I'm a nice guy, and I like helping people. I just hate it when people expect us to do all their leg work, and research when the info is so readily available, and easy to find.

[sykikchimp]

IMO - the Super street seems to have too high of a spring rate in the back. Seems it would make the car quite tail happy. For your purposes, I would probably go with the Tein type flex, and get some sway bars to compensate for the somewhat softer springs rates. Comfortable on the street, and plenty of performance for an auto-x.

[weirdstyles.net]

sykikchimp is offering something. You got me a little rough, but im not offended.


I just need to find a worthy suspension. Its a street car, but I would like to do some auto-x events aswell

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
sykikchimp is offering something. You got me a little rough, but im not offended.


I just need to find a worthy suspension. Its a street car, but I would like to do some auto-x events aswell

We gave you a bunch of suggestions. I know from personal experience that the HE's or FLEX's will work nicely for you (assuming you have the same ride quality standards as I do).

Other than that, i can reccomend full race/track/drift setups.... but that ISN'T what you are asking.

So far you have:

-stay away from HA's... tehya re not worht it
-HE's and FLEX will be a good choice

I will add more: Zeal Func. B6 will be $$$$$ but a VERY high quality and good suspension as well. It will be roughly $400 or so more than the Teins. How much are you looking to spend? Also, in Auto-X, I am sure that there are different classes for cars with modified suspensions... find that out. Find out if you will be competitive with the other cars in that class, etc...

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
sykikchimp is offering something. You got me a little rough, but im not offended.


I just need to find a worthy suspension. Its a street car, but I would like to do some auto-x events aswell

Well, how low do you want to go, and how serious are you about the track stuff? Cuz for the price of coilovers, you could have an entire Whiteline suspension.

Yes, that's right. Sway bars, bushings, Koni shocks, springs, etc. All for $1100 shipped direct from Australia.

That's the setup I have right now and it does everything I need. It firmed up the ride and made things more predictable...but it's not full-race. By the time I'm ready for that, I'll have more money to spend.

Evaluate what you need before you ask this group. Before you know it, they'll have you convinced that you need an RB26 with a T78 and a 6-speed dog box tranny a 2-way KAAZ diff a 12-point roll cage Bride seats titanium exhaust Brembo brakes and a full $2000 Vielside or Ings bodykit.

Blah.

Make a few of your own decisions first, and then come here. Give them some parameters to work within.

Eric

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by uiuc240
you need an RB26 with a T78 and a 6-speed dog box tranny a 2-way KAAZ diff a 12-point roll cage Bride seats titanium exhaust Brembo brakes and a full $2000 Vielside or Ings bodykit.



damn, you beat me. i was just about to tell him that too! suspension is nothing without the above!! when are people going to learn!?

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by uiuc240
Before you know it, they'll have you convinced that you need an RB26 with a T78 and a 6-speed dog box tranny a 2-way KAAZ diff a 12-point roll cage Bride seats titanium exhaust Brembo brakes and a full $2000 Vielside or Ings bodykit.

Eric

At LEAST come up with some better body kit company's ... SHEESH. :eek: ;) lol

[95Blue240sx]

why is it that i hear so much negative things about the tein HA's? i hear many people dont like them but dont give a reason. please explain. thanks!

[CoasTek240]

Originally posted by 95Blue240sx
please explain.
theres no more needed... try reading the above posts and u'll get all the info u need.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by 95Blue240sx
why is it that i hear so much negative things about the tein HA's? i hear many people dont like them but dont give a reason. please explain. thanks!

reasons? you want reasons? YOU CANT HANDLE THE REASONS!!

haha

ok here goes:

Tein HA
single height adjustable (spring perch changes shock stroke)
no camber plate on all models (costs more to get it)
prone to rusting


those alone are reason enough not to get HA when you can get the Flex which is far better imho of a setup. and its very suitable for the street as well!

let's compare, shall we?

Flex for s13 ($1560)
5/4 kg

HA for s13 ($1150 + camber plates extra)
6/5

Flex for s14 ($1560)
6/5

HA for s14 ($1150 + camber plates extra)
6/5

flex are double height adjustable. coated to prevent rust. same damper adjustability (16 way) and come with camber plates. added bonus: you can use/get the EDFC

now yes flex is higher but you'll have far more adjustability with them. you can keep the stoke THE SAME whether you raise or lower the car's height you wont be comprimising the shock stroke.

[Steeles]

whats the max spring rate possible to run on the Flex before you exceed the valving limits of it?

[Jsquared]

what are the spring rates on the HE's? do those come with camber plates too? haven't been able to find any state-side vendor info on those (think this thread said they are special-order from Japan)

[drift into a curb]

HE's are 8F/6R and do include pillow upper mounts. They do need to be special ordered from what I heard. Go to www.optauto.com or www.projectimport.com. Try them.

[weirdstyles.net]

90 FB, I do have a need for comfort, and it will NOT be an all out track vehicle. I want to be able to handle turns much better over stock, and I dont want to take dramamine (motion sickness) before my commute to work.

I dont know what other questions to anwser, once again due to a lack of understanding about suspension. You ask anything, and I will respond as soon as I can.

[240Degrees]

i have tein HAs and they do rust a bit. What i think im gonna do is brush it off with a steel brush and then put some touch up paint on that. sound good? i really like my coilovers by the way. not the stiffest in the world, but really nice for driving around and i can turn up the stiffness which is more than enough for me. :)

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
90 FB, I do have a need for comfort, and it will NOT be an all out track vehicle. I want to be able to handle turns much better over stock, and I dont want to take dramamine (motion sickness) before my commute to work.

I dont know what other questions to anwser, once again due to a lack of understanding about suspension. You ask anything, and I will respond as soon as I can.

How much lower than stock do you want to be?

Everything you're saying sounds to me like you do NOT want coilovers...rather a nice spring/shock combo. That will fit your budget really well, improve the things you want to improve, and it's almost impossible to screw up.

Keep in mind that coilovers need to be precisely set up to get the full advantage from them. Springs/shocks are a no brainer. Just install and drive. You probably won't even need an alignment if you only do about a 1.5" drop.

Eric

[Kookaburraz]

Just a note:

HAs have horrible clearance. If you want to run wider wheels, you're not going to fit a 7" wheel with higher than +27 offset, 8" with higher than +14 offset...etc.

[Halz]

People need to understand that double height adjustments on coilovers are useless in a car with static geometry.

Unless you're moving the control arm locations on the chassis, or plan to later use aluminum rear Z32 axle housings, there are no performance benefits from the added adjustability.

[weirdstyles.net]

1500 is about as far as I am willing to stretch my budget for suspension. Anything over that and its gonna have to do alot more than bounce.

Dont worry about the Auto-X criteria, Ill handle that later.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Halz
People need to understand that double height adjustments on coilovers are useless in a car with static geometry.

Unless you're moving the control arm locations on the chassis, or plan to later use aluminum rear Z32 axle housings, there are no performance benefits from the added adjustability.

huh? how do you figure.

if you adjust the spring height you are lengthening or shortening the shock stroke. it woul bve like putting cut springs on stock shocks or kg/mm on stock shocks (kg/mm are shorter springs)

the double height is to keep the shock stroke the same.

please explain and school me.

[sykikchimp]

100% I would have to cut the bump stops on my coilovers if I had to lower the car via the spring perch. I might be hitting them now when cornering on a track.. I need to check that at the next event. Pretty sure at the last auto-x I was getting some contact with the bump stop.

Everyone I've ever talked to about suspension on the 240sx or just about any nissan is the lack of adequate suspension travel when you significantly lower the vehicle using the spring perch.

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Halz
People need to understand that double height adjustments on coilovers are useless in a car with static geometry.

Unless you're moving the control arm locations on the chassis, or plan to later use aluminum rear Z32 axle housings, there are no performance benefits from the added adjustability.

http://www.raceworx.com/funnypics/panda%20makes%20more%20sense.jpg

WTH are you talking about? You obviously know nothing about the 240sx's suspension geometry. Do you want to explain to these people how under a cornering load to the outside rear wheel, the toe will change to slight toe out, adn the release of load on the inside rear will give that side slightly more toe in. Effect: On throttle, the car is willing to rotate, not understeer.

Mow assuming you knew how complex our suspension is, why would you say that an independantly height and stroke damper is harmful? It just helps to exploit our cars full potential (or any car's) by keeping the damper stroke, no matter how low each coilocer is set at.

It sounds to me you are using big terms that do not make sense just to have less educated (noobies) people think you know what you are talking about. Well I, for one, don't appreciate your ruse.

[weirdstyles.net]

what did I start....


so $1500, my shocks are bad. Mild auto cross, need comfort. Whats a good idea?

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
what did I start....


so $1500, my shocks are bad. Mild auto cross, need comfort. Whats a good idea?

TEIN Flex or TEIN HE's IMO. Again. :rolleyes: ;) :p

You realize that we are not going to all agree on one single set up...

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
what did I start....


so $1500, my shocks are bad. Mild auto cross, need comfort. Whats a good idea?

you started a suspension discussion. and to me it really sounds like you just want a decent shock spring combo. KYB AGX and say Tien S tech springs. spend the left over money on some sway bars, strut tower bars, poly bushings, etc......

[Dousan_PG]

shocks and springs setup
replace all your bushings

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
TEIN Flex or TEIN HE's IMO. Again. :rolleyes: ;) :p

You realize that we are not going to all agree on one single set up...

nobody cares what you think D eater!!!

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by dousan36
shocks and springs setup
replace all your bushings

yes. do that. you are NOT ready for coilovers.

Eric

[weirdstyles.net]

please be patient with me, are the HE's a coilover set?

[Dousan_PG]

do some research

you still arent ready for coilovers. adjust them wrong and you'll blow your shocks.

get shock springs.

[weirdstyles.net]

Originally posted by dousan36
do some research

you still arent ready for coilovers. adjust them wrong and you'll blow your shocks.

get shock springs.

read above

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Weird Styles
read above

read WHAT above? there's a search mode you can use. there is google. there's so much. you jsut want a handout for someone to analyze everything for you and hand it to you

here it is:

shocks and springs
replace all bushings

[drift into a curb]

lol you tell'em dousan. Serious Weird Styles, read up at www.teinusa.com first and use the search. If you read the fellow member's suggestions, you'll notice it fits your needs. Read, process, comprehend, simple.

[Halz]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
100% I would have to cut the bump stops on my coilovers if I had to lower the car via the spring perch. I might be hitting them now when cornering on a track.. I need to check that at the next event. Pretty sure at the last auto-x I was getting some contact with the bump stop.

Everyone I've ever talked to about suspension on the 240sx or just about any nissan is the lack of adequate suspension travel when you significantly lower the vehicle using the spring perch.

The situation you describe suggests that there is an ideal ride height for that situation; the point at which the changes in the car's static alignment are minimal throughout the stroke of the suspension.

A strut should be designed for that ideal ride height. Spring perches are to allow for corner weighting

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Halz
The situation you describe suggests that there is an ideal ride height for that situation; the point at which the changes in the car's static alignment are minimal throughout the stroke of the suspension.

A strut should be designed for that ideal ride height. Spring perches are to allow for corner weighting

And adjustable lower brackets allow you to lower your center of gravity and not lose damper stroke. How can you explain that being a bad thing?

[Kookaburraz]

Hehe...I wouldn't get into an argument with Halz on suspension geometry.

Geometry is different than just shock stroke. Yes, lowering the ride height does change the geometry, and brings about some negatives. To some, the positives of a lower cg outweigh these drawbacks.

Don't go bustin out crazy chit here Halz...

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by Kookaburraz
Hehe...I wouldn't get into an argument with Halz on suspension geometry.

Geometry is different than just shock stroke. Yes, lowering the ride height does change the geometry, and brings about some negatives. To some, the positives of a lower cg outweigh these drawbacks.

Don't go bustin out crazy chit here Halz...

Lets continue this discussion here:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25141

so we don't go completely off topic here. (I just LOVE suspension talk. :D )

[CoasTek240]

i think wierd style really wants to have heigt adjustablility ricer* <-J/J.... but really ur best bet woudl be a nice shock spring combo with replacing all ur ****ty torn bushings with some nice new poly ones.. but, if u really are set on coilpers for what ur want ha's or he's... goodluck with the he's though i was toldthey dont ship them to us. anymore.. you can still get them but it's hard..