JIC Magic FLT-A2s Vs. GP Sport G Four Coilovers

[lVll2. S14]

which one is better ? buying in less than a week! any opinion is welcome

[Dousan_PG]

jic 8/6 kg damper adjust, double height adjustable
gp 12/10 kg non damper adjustable, double height adjustable

[transient]

IOW, go for the JIC.

[Jsquared]

man those GPs are freaking stiff :eek:

[lash]

i would get tein.. he's

[Jsquared]

what's the difference btw HEs and Flexs? from what i can tell the Flex is softer springs (no tender springs also) for street and they come with adjustable camber plates, whereas the HA/HE come with no camber plate and stiff track-spec springs...

[pinoydrifter]

Hey, go with teins! They are far better than either of the 2 you are looking at! I have tein he's on my car! Also please let us know what you decide to purchase, and your opinion on the suspension when installed- thanks

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
Hey, go with teins! They are far better than either of the 2 you are looking at! I have tein he's on my car! Also please let us know what you decide to purchase, and your opinion on the suspension when installed- thanks


your obviously biased. have you ridden in any other 240sx w/ other suspension setups? tein he doesnt even compare w/ JIC FLT-A2s. JICs are FAR superior

inverted shock
stiffer valving
damper adj that actually has a limit, not like tiens were there are 23 clicks but you can acutally only use 16
higher quality of materials
better reputation (in japan and lately in the USA)

[ruf]

As much as I'd love to sell you a set of GP coilovers, I would recommend that you go with the JIC. If you have a little more money, try Zeal B6/V6. Tein is for budget. GP is for nutcases.

[sykikchimp]

I personally don't think I would ever buy a set of coilovers with 12/10 spring rates with no dampener adjustment. After living with the JIC's for a while now, being able to adjust them is absolutely imperative.

Honestly the JIC's are very close to the limit of what I would drive on the street. Much harder, and I would start to have back problems on my way to work. don't get me wrong though, they are worth EVERY penny I spent, and EVERY kidney jarring I receive. :)

The Zeal's are also VERY nice. Ride almost exactly like the JIC's.. I rode in an s14 with the B6's and it actually felt a touch softer than the ride in my car with the JIC's. Maybe it's the valving?

[ruf]

My logic with fixed damping rate on the GP is that the spring rate is so high, they don't want people softening up the damping too much and blowing them. "Eliminate operator error"-philosophy. Which I don't disagree with.

[pinoydrifter]

No, I am sorry to say that I have not ridden in a car equipped with a jic suspension. But I have done some research on the suspensions, and in my opinion the tein's are a better choice! For instance, is the jic suspension fully rebuildable? Because for us drifters that comes very handy three years down the rhode! But if you are just going to use the suspension for mild driving that is useless to you! thanks-

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
No, I am sorry to say that I have not ridden in a car equipped with a jic suspension. But I have done some research on the suspensions, and in my opinion the tein's are a better choice! For instance, is the jic suspension fully rebuildable? Because for us drifters that comes very handy three years down the rhode! But if you are just going to use the suspension for mild driving that is useless to you! thanks-

do you have an LSD? you cant seriously drift with out one (pet peeve of mine)

yes JIC IS rebuildable. same cost as tein, 100 bucks per shock. you can order custom spring rates and valving as well.

rhode is spelled road. rhode you are referring to is rhode island (state)


useless to me? boy im at the track 2 or more times a month. i drift a lot, a lot. dont tell me about suspension and whats better when you are drooling over HEs.

you VERY obviously did NOT do enough research.


edit: btw, i have HEs as well. they are filled with **** for valving. im selling them in a couple months and getting HKS Hypermax D or Kei Office XR

[Yoshi]

edit: dammit dousan, you beat me to the punch.

now the only thing I have to add is this:
If you didn't know which shocks are rebuildable, you sound more like a gran tourismo drifter than a pavement drifter :/ But hey, maybe I'm wrong.... prove me wrong.

[pinoydrifter]

dousan36- hello again, thanks for the info on the jic suspension. You have altered my opinion on the teins. Both suspensions, in my opinion, are good. And thank you for corecting my misprint! Also the only time i drift is when it's raining, and i seem to get it sideways pretty easily without an lsd. And to yoshi, I never said i was an "option 2 drifter". Just started drifting with friends as a hobby! And nothing but love to all.... and by the way does jic have a cool looking coilover stuffed animal(tein)? j/p late-

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by dousan36
do you have an LSD? you cant seriously drift with out one (pet peeve of mine)

yes JIC IS rebuildable. same cost as tein, 100 bucks per shock. you can order custom spring rates and valving as well.

rhode is spelled road. rhode you are referring to is rhode island (state)


useless to me? boy im at the track 2 or more times a month. i drift a lot, a lot. dont tell me about suspension and whats better when you are drooling over HEs.

you VERY obviously did NOT do enough research.


edit: btw, i have HEs as well. they are filled with **** for valving. im selling them in a couple months and getting HKS Hypermax D or Kei Office XR

Remind me not to buy you coilovers Aaron. JIC it is...

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
dousan36- hello again, thanks for the info on the jic suspension. You have altered my opinion on the teins. Both suspensions, in my opinion, are good. And thank you for corecting my misprint! Also the only time i drift is when it's raining, and i seem to get it sideways pretty easily without an lsd. And to yoshi, I never said i was an "option 2 drifter". Just started drifting with friends as a hobby! And nothing but love to all.... and by the way does jic have a cool looking coilover stuffed animal(tein)? j/p late-

"drifting" in the rain is not really drifting. Its just sliding around cause the ground is wet. When you can get sideways on hot sticky pavement, and keep it all under control time after time, than you drift. Coilovers are not JUST for drifitng seems like a lot of people who jump into the drifiting scene have this misconception. I personally think there better for grip. I drift just fine with an LSD and an otherwise stock suspension. Dont spend money on stuff you wont use, and i consider anything over $20 a lot of money so bleh.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
dousan36- hello again, thanks for the info on the jic suspension. You have altered my opinion on the teins. Both suspensions, in my opinion, are good. And thank you for corecting my misprint! Also the only time i drift is when it's raining, and i seem to get it sideways pretty easily without an lsd. And to yoshi, I never said i was an "option 2 drifter". Just started drifting with friends as a hobby! And nothing but love to all.... and by the way does jic have a cool looking coilover stuffed animal(tein)? j/p late-

drifting in the rain is NOT drifting.
and if your just going sideways that NOT drifting, thats powersliding.
i could do that in my brother's FF car.

anyways, get a LSD and let the fun times roll!!!!

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by dousan36
drifting in the rain is NOT drifting.
and if your just going sideways that NOT drifting, thats powersliding.
i could do that in my brother's FF car.

anyways, get a LSD and let the fun times roll!!!!

You know what I meant...

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by dousan36
drifting in the rain is NOT drifting.
and if your just going sideways that NOT drifting, thats powersliding.
i could do that in my brother's FF car.

anyways, get a LSD and let the fun times roll!!!!

I'm gonna have to disargree with that.

Some of the best times to go out there and learn is right after it rains as the roads/parkinglots will have a thin coat of water on em.

I try and practice everytime it rains, mainly to save tire. Granted the levels of traction/control are completly different, it requires a finer touch. Less room for error as steering inputs need to be smoother or else you'll spin.

I've actually found that with my experience trying to drift in the rain I've progressivly gotten better on dry traction.

But I understand the point you were making.

Edit: the real fun part is transitioning from wet road to dry road while still sideways. :D That one gets me everytime

[pinoydrifter]

Foxcolt- well put, I think drifting in the rain IS drifting. And what better time to learn? Also... how did you guys learn to drift? And if you do drift on the dry road so much aren't you replacing your tires every 2 weeks? Anyway I guess all I'm trying to say is... if what I'm doing in the rain is not drifting.... how am I supossed to learn how to "drift"!

[Dousan_PG]

if your worried about tires, buy some with SUPER HIGH tread wear, sumimotos are good. i used those one full day and had tons of tread still haha

um..learned to drift? all sorts of different ways, places, etc :D

edit: personally, i dont consider someone a 'drifter' if they only drift in rain. hence, i have more respect for a tarmac 'drifter' then a rain only guy. that's just me. i love the dry asphalt the noises the tires make, the grip you can gain/lose when tapping pedal and the response the car has. rain 'drifting' is fun but i wouldnt say 'i drift'. haha..more like f'in around in the rain. i could do the same stuff in my brother's FF. whoopiedeedooo

[ruf]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
Foxcolt- well put, I think drifting in the rain IS drifting. And what better time to learn? Also... how did you guys learn to drift? And if you do drift on the dry road so much aren't you replacing your tires every 2 weeks? Anyway I guess all I'm trying to say is... if what I'm doing in the rain is not drifting.... how am I supossed to learn how to "drift"! Honestly, drifting in the rain is just plain dumb unless you are THAT good. The traction levels are horrible and very unprogressive. If you just mean powersliding yourself around, no prob. But TRUE drifting with initiation well before the corner and maintaining a slip angle on and off power in the rain is just plain suicide unless you already have a handle on dry pavement.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by ruf
Honestly, drifting in the rain is just plain dumb unless you are THAT good. The traction levels are horrible and very unprogressive. If you just mean powersliding yourself around, no prob. But TRUE drifting with initiation well before the corner and maintaining a slip angle on and off power in the rain is just plain suicide unless you already have a handle on dry pavement.

agreed. people have this idea of 'drifting' (hence i always use ' ' when i say "drifting") that its you come to a corner, pitch it sideways and 'drift' thru it. nah, that's power sliding. i can do that in ANY car. nothing special.


its "drifting" by strict definition but i think most of us here think 'drifting' is sliding thru consecutive corners while you have complete control of the car and its traction.

DRIFTING IS ALL ABOUT TRACTION

edit: powersliding is great way to learn about initiation and ways to start drifts. how to set your car up and angles as well as how to correct them if you goof. powersliding has its good points.

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by ruf
Honestly, drifting in the rain is just plain dumb unless you are THAT good. The traction levels are horrible and very unprogressive. If you just mean powersliding yourself around, no prob. But TRUE drifting with initiation well before the corner and maintaining a slip angle on and off power in the rain is just plain suicide unless you already have a handle on dry pavement.


No, I do not mean powersliding. I most truly mean drift.

No, I am not THAT good, I'm pretty weak as far as technique and skill are concerned. But I have come a long way in the year that I have been practicing.

Dousan: I personally don't consider anyone a drifter unless they can pull smooth tranistions from corner to corner. I do not consider myself a drifter because I don't think I"ve attained that level of skill yet.

However your right any car can powerslide. and that is what most people think is drift. I am not one of those people.

Ruff: If your talking about trying to drift in the middle of a storm then I would agree with you. However when I do practice in the rain. it's well after the rain has stopped and the roads are still "moist". After doing it for the short amount of time that I have I've found that traction levels ARE controlable if your motions are smooth and not jerky:D (couldn't think of a better word)

[Dousan_PG]

hehe

im no drifter. just a wannabe poser ;)

[pinoydrifter]

dousan- OK, would it make you all happy if i called myself a "powerslider"? fyi... let me explain how I "POWERSLIDE" I approach a turn begin "sliding" before the turn... then coming out of the turn I get off the gas, the tires grip again. Then I prepare for the next turn.... Why don't you tell me what I should call that! Now the only time i can really do this, is when the road is damp. I still consider myself a beginner... because I cannot do this when it is dry. For now on I will use the word "drift" carefully!


ruf- in my opinion it is easier to "slide" on a wet surface than a dry one. And if you think is is suicide to slide fresh after a rain, than you should try it some time! It is actually quite fun! And if you make a mistake you can't get in that much trouble... whereas if you goof on a dry surface you can kiss your bodywork good buy!
Also if you think any sort of drifting/sliding in the rain is "dumb"... then why don't you tell me how you learned to drift/slide. Because if you tell me it is better to learn how to "drift" properly on a dry surface opposed to a wet surface then i think YOU are DUMB! cheers-
:D

ps I truly don't care what it's called (powersliding/drifting). All I know is it's FUN... and that's all that matters to me! And I don't understand why we are bickering over the correct terminology!! CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
dousan- OK, would it make you all happy if i called myself a "powerslider"? fyi... let me explain how I "POWERSLIDE" I approach a turn begin "sliding" before the turn... then coming out of the turn I get off the gas, the tires grip again. Then I prepare for the next turn.... Why don't you tell me what I should call that! Now the only time i can really do this, is when the road is damp. I still consider myself a beginner... because I cannot do this when it is dry. For now on I will use the word "drift" carefully!


ruf- in my opinion it is easier to "slide" on a wet surface than a dry one. And if you think is is suicide to slide fresh after a rain, than you should try it some time! It is actually quite fun! And if you make a mistake you can't get in that much trouble... whereas if you goof on a dry surface you can kiss your bodywork good buy!
Also if you think any sort of drifting/sliding in the rain is "dumb"... then why don't you tell me how you learned to drift/slide. Because if you tell me it is better to learn how to "drift" properly on a dry surface opposed to a wet surface then i think YOU are DUMB! cheers-
:D


sliding into a wet surface you are MORE LIKELY to break/hit soething. step on the brakes? oh crap, the tires just keep going. pull the ebrake, oh geez the rear just snapped over. do that on dry surface and you'll actually stop.

i wont tell you how i learned. cuz i dont talk about street drifting. i dont condone or want people to do it. it endangers lives, your car as well as gives drifting a bad name to police, citizens and makes it harder for people who enjoy it. why? because cops will look for a certain type of car w/ certain setups/parts. it is not good. this is NOT Japan, this is NOT hawaii. this is the mainland here. cops dont like cars going sideways. people dont like tires screetching at 2 am while their kids sleep. there are too many ricers and internet drifters who are getting into it with their Open diffs and thinking they are drifters. its going to end up like street racing w/ all the morons there are out there. drifting wont last in the USA. once people crash their cars and find out how much tires and suspension parts cost things will change. we are on the beginning of a fad that will probably last 1 to 2 years. now you have a choice as a indiviual. make it a good well repuation 2 years or make it a living hell where you drive home and get pulled over because of the mismatched wheels/camber choices/bald rear tires.

[ruf]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
fyi... let me explain how I "POWERSLIDE" I approach a turn begin "sliding" before the turn... then coming out of the turn I get off the gas, the tires grip again. Then I prepare for the next turn.... Why don't you tell me what I should call that!It's called powersliding. If you watch real drifters, you begin to realize that they are OFF the throttle more than they are on it. Throttle inputs are used to balance the car. It's not about overpowering the tires, it's about knowing how to balance the grip of the car with weight transfer

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
ruf- in my opinion it is easier to "slide" on a wet surface than a dry one. And if you think is is suicide to slide fresh after a rain, than you should try it some time! It is actually quite fun! And if you make a mistake you can't get in that much trouble... whereas if you goof on a dry surface you can kiss your bodywork good buy!
Also if you think any sort of drifting/sliding in the rain is "dumb"... then why don't you tell me how you learned to drift/slide. Because if you tell me it is better to learn how to "drift" properly on a dry surface opposed to a wet surface then i think YOU are DUMB!It IS easier to SLIDE on a wet surface. I know 16-yr-old Mustang drivers that also enjoy this type of activity. And yes it is pretty fun and not that dangerous. Where did I learn how to DRIVE (note: not drift, not slide)? On the autocross track. REAL drifting is about traction and how you manage it. If you cannot grip, then you cannot control how you lose grip.

NOTE: I do NOT mean go to an autocross and start driving like a jackass. I mean have an experienced RWD driver show you how to "grip" drive an autox. Then, once you start pushing the boundaries, car control and grip management (aka: "drifting") will come naturally.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
ruf- in my opinion it is easier to "slide" on a wet surface than a dry one. And if you think is is suicide to slide fresh after a rain, than you should try it some time! It is actually quite fun! And if you make a mistake you can't get in that much trouble... whereas if you goof on a dry surface you can kiss your bodywork good buy!
Also if you think any sort of drifting/sliding in the rain is "dumb"... then why don't you tell me how you learned to drift/slide. Because if you tell me it is better to learn how to "drift" properly on a dry surface opposed to a wet surface then i think YOU are DUMB! cheers-

edit: personal opinion

let's see. rain. wet surface. ok step on brakes..oh i locked up all 4 and im STILL SLIDING. here comes that curb! here comes that oncoming car!

how can you be SAFER in rain then a dry pavement??? explain that too me. you are MORE LIKELY to continue sliding and run HARDER into a curb/tree etc.

and it is DUMB. you put yourself, your car AND others at risk

look at the number of traffic accidents in the RAIN compared w/ dry weather. doesnt take a rocket scientist.


[/end rant on this pinyodrifter]

am i way off on this everyone? let me know!

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by dousan36
sliding into a wet surface you are MORE LIKELY to break/hit soething. step on the brakes? oh crap, the tires just keep going. pull the ebrake, oh geez the rear just snapped over. do that on dry surface and you'll actually stop.


I can attest to that:D

Bottom line in my opinion.

Drifting is what you make of it. Before drifting got somewhat popular in california the FEW people that really knew about it were doing the same as us on the east coast are doing now.

Either way, when I first started I was powersliding. As I got a little better I began to realize the true meaning of drift.

Am sure everyone can relate.

[ruf]

He's not talking about drifting. He's talking about sliding around. All the rain does is decrease grip so that traction loss is quicker, initiation is easier and happens at lower speeds. This is hopefully what he means by "less dangerous". I'm sorry but "drifting" at 15mph in 1st gear isn't my idea of drifting.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by ruf
He's not talking about drifting. He's talking about sliding around. All the rain does is decrease grip so that traction loss is quicker, initiation is easier and happens at lower speeds. This is hopefully what he means by "less dangerous". I'm sorry but "drifting" at 15mph in 1st gear isn't my idea of drifting.

rolfmao ah that makes sense then why its "safe".

1st gear stuff: i like doing those donuts where you keep your front wheels stationary and go around the car w/ the back..i do that in 1st gear, sometimes in 2nd haha...but on dry pavement!!
rain is so boring Zzzzz. i love the smoke and the BIG DEEP tire marks the car leaves hahahaha..

it helps practice gymkhana techniques ;)

[ruf]

Honestly rain is fun, but dangerous as HECK! The car can come back and bite you in the ass SOOOO FAST. You've really gotta be on top of things and make every input/correction gently and EARLY.

[pinoydrifter]

hey... 1st of all I never said i do this in the middle of a school zone, right in front of the cops, at 3 in the morning...lol! 2nd of all, mabey I am sliding around. But all i'm saying is I can't seem to get the car to "slide" when it's dry. I thought it was because of my lack of skill. But it might also be because I don't have a lsd (thnx 2 dousan). I don't know it is probably a combo. of both, but for now I will stick with my "rain sliding". 3rd, and most important, PLEASE DON'T EVER COMPARE ME TO A 16 YEAR OLD MUSTANG DRIVER!!!!!!! thank you! Also... if there are any riders out there you will understand this. I look at "drifting" the same way I look at riding. I not about to jump on a r1, gsxr1000, or a busa. When the only thing I have ridden before is a 10 speed! I hope you can understand-cheers:p

ps By the way... have you ever been pulled over for driving your car sideways? Caus I havn't and i'm just interested to see what they said. Sorry that was a little of topic.

[DoriftoSlut]

I wont go into stories... but most of the times I 'crashed' were in teh rain. I never hit anything in my S14 unless it was during a drifting session. After almost getting stuck i stop practicing while it was still raining. After hitting a rack I stopped 'practicing' a lot when the road was damp. SO much more control on dry pavement.

pinoydrifter: try reading about techniques and use feint, sidebrake, and clutchkick all in one initiation for good dry-pavement drifting. I learned (and got hella good, im not going to lie) on a stack supension open diff S14 SE. Drifting a stock car really well is much harder and much more respectable. Of course there are certain limitations that can't be overcome without a good setup, but for the most part, learning stock is where its at!

THIS THREAD IS DRIFTA!!!

Oh... on a side note... im sure people have seen Keiichi Tsuchiya drift stock NSX's and Supras and other cars all the time. thats what makes him Dorikin-drifting those stock or slightly modified cars liek NOONE else! Such skill!