are all 240's like this?

[JerkFaceJason]

My S13 is the second standard tranny car ive owned/driven, and ever since i've gotten it i've noticed that you really can't start from a dead stop off the clutch alone.

What im saying is that on my last car i could be the first one to clear the intersection without even stepping on the gas. With the 240 i have to rev to 1500 to even creep ahead in a traffic jam. It will most surely stall no matter how gently i let the clutch out.

Is this a normal trait for 240's , or do i need to check some vaccum lines / AIV ?

[masta]

Not sure what you mean.

Are you trying to say that for your old car, you just let go the clutch with no gas and it goes?

That has never worked for any car I have driven. I can only move the car a little (1-3 feet) like that and the most I can depress the clutch without any gas is maybe 1/3 of the way before it starts to stall.

Can anyone else do what he mentioned?

[JerkFaceJason]

yes, like you just want to go about 10-15 feet, you can do it without gas you know, its how most people learn to drive stick. Just letting the clutch out to get them going

[THX1138]

Uh, that's not how I learned how to drive a stick, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. It might be possible/easy in a car with a large engine with bags of low-end torque, but in a car like a 240 it's more trouble to slip the clutch to get moving without the throttle than it is to blip the gas and let the clutch out smoothly.

[anisht]

my guess is whatever you drove had a pretty beefy engine.

i learned on a big pickup truck. larger engines are much more forgiving.

Cheers!

[uiuc240]

at idle, you are probably making about 20 lb-ft of torque. Not nearly enough to get a 2600-2700 lb car moving. hence the need for a bit of revs. go see what it's like to get a honda going with an aftermarket clutch ;)

Eric

[misnomer]

It can be done, you just need to be very easy with the clutch. Though, as these guys said, it's easier on your motor to just blip the throttle. The 240 doesn't have enough torque/rotational mass to get you up and rolling without letting off the clutch. It's torquey for it's class, so I don't know what you were driving before where this was so easy. . .

[azn_romeox]

I don't know what your talking about really. BUt "slipping" the clutch or "riding" the clutch isn't good for it. It wears it down. Thats why they say balance it. I never rely on a clutch to start me off. Just even the gas and the clutch out for a smooth ride :-D

[RedlineRacer]

I know what he is talking about. He means just barely letting the clutch out and it starts to move a good bit. My dads F150 is like that. But it has a much bigger engine than my 240.

[deviousKA]

your clutch has to slip, it will always slip no matter how your engage. thats how it works.

[azn_romeox]

Well just have to say it depends on the motor and clutch setup ;)

[CoasTek240]

*non sense

[DuffMan]

Your other car must have had a very big engine or a very high idle.

[azn_romeox]

We don't need to make such a big deal out of this ;)
Every car is unique so they have a different feeling to them.
Just drive some cars and most of them are the same.

[DamnAntiPimpingLaws]

yeah you can definately come off the clutch about half way (roughly) and it will move slowly forward. That is if you're not on a hill of some sort. I do it in traffic when I want to pull up to the car in front of me slightly. Although the best way to drive a stick is just to learn your throttle. If its liek mine very very sensitive learn how to hold it at 1,500 RPM and hold it their and then come off the clutch and you'll go. Trying to come of the clutch and hit the gas to even it will cause you trouble when learning a stick. So just rev to no more than 2,000 RPM and then come off the clutch and you'll move very slowly.

[smokin240]

"popping the clutch" is the term i know.

[Sundi240]

I know what he means. I've never driven a S13, but I have driven an S14. Anyways...I can let the clutch all the way out on my 86 Prelude, but it has to be let out slow enough. If I do it properly, and on a flat road, it will move approximately 5-10 feet. Not sure if it's the same on S13's...

[JerkFaceJason]

98 VW beetle (non TDI) was the car i'm referring to. And as funny as it seems, i drove my friends accord just before this post and it is the same as the 240. Also, i think it has something to do with the idle speed. Like when i first start up my 240 its idling at like 1200 and the clutch gets me around like a mofo

[zweebach]

Just about any car is like that. True, a car with more low-end torque will be more capable of starting like that, but it can be done in any car with enough clutch slipping.

When I was learning to drive (in a 5 speed) my dad made me start from a stop like that. This was in an 84 honda accord. I'm sure it had less power than the 240. It's not easy, but it's possible. I think the reasoning is that you learn more about how a clutch works and where it engages, how to slip it, etc. It's about being smooth in actuating the clutch.

[carkid0007]

I thought you didn't want it to idle of 1,000 .... thats what I was told

[Evil S14]

he was probably referring to the high rev the engine gets when you start it cold

[andrave]

if you feather the clutch, it works in my 240.. it worked in my 1.9 liter escort, too, so I'm not sure engine size has much to do with it.
I'd say flywheel weight would play a big factor, the clutch being used, and the "feel" the driver had for the car. anyway, its bad for your clutch and "lugging" the engine can cause damage to the springs on your clutch disk.
if your car isn't idling correctly it could be lot of things, and if clutch engagement is grabby it could be a couple things.. but if you are just complaining that you can't do it.... then I guess you should just drive normally.

One of my friends has a 460 in his ford truck, and all you gotta do to start out is put it in 2nd and let off the clutch and it just goes, right up to 20 mph. so if you are used to that, you won't get the same with a smaller 4 cyl.

[carkid0007]

so is it bad that as soon as I let the clutch out it stalls ? or is that a good thing ?

[S14DriftR]

I could do that on my old camaro. Thats how i taught my brother how to drive, it was alot easier for him to start that way

[Sundi240]

Originally posted by carkid0007
so is it bad that as soon as I let the clutch out it stalls ? or is that a good thing ?
Yes, your car is screwed up. Sell it now. :rolleyes:

[DamnAntiPimpingLaws]

Originally posted by carkid0007
so is it bad that as soon as I let the clutch out it stalls ? or is that a good thing ?

only if you have your car in a gear. if it stalls while its in neutral yes you have a problem. sell it and buy a matchbox. they dont bring you any troubles.

[carkid0007]

No it dont stall in neutral, how would that be possible ??, I mean when I had it in gear.

[DamnAntiPimpingLaws]

The only time it will stall when you have it in gear is if lets say you were driving down the road and came to a red light. you stop the car with your breaks and do not have the clutch in. in that case you will stall. but if you stall any other time while in gear yes you have a problem with your car.

[DuffMan]

Originally posted by JerkFaceJason
98 VW beetle (non TDI) was the car i'm referring to.


I guess I should have said "your previous car must have been really big or had a really high idle or been a diesel"

[KEINsm]

I've had that same stalling problem when I first got my 240SX.
It was the first 4 cylinder car I drove.
Even now, I stall sometimes if I don't help the engine with a little kick.

My previous car was a 325i with a "silky-6" idling at 1000rpm...
absolutely no help needed to get that thing going.

[Nismos14]

Originally posted by DamnAntiPimpingLaws
The only time it will stall when you have it in gear is if lets say you were driving down the road and came to a red light. you stop the car with your breaks and do not have the clutch in. in that case you will stall. but if you stall any other time while in gear yes you have a problem with your car.

lol ur kidding right? if u r in first at a stop sign and come off the clutch too fast ur gonna stall then too