POLL & INTEREST: 2010/2011 "240sx" Replacement

[dorkidori_s13]

(mods please dont move this...i am actually going to use this thread in something i am putting together to send to nissan in a month)

Hey guys...so with the news today of nissan SUPPOSEDLY shelving the "240sx replacement" due to financial troubles...and from the amount of ignorance nissan seems to hold about the S Chassis community (as in...they dont really seem to have an idea of what kind of foothold we have in the motorsports and import racing world...and how many of us are now MUCH older and are able to afford a new itteration of our favorite car) i thought i would attempt something...

This thread has a poll attached to it...this poll AND thread will require a certain level of honest thought and MATURE commenting

I want this poll to live in the chat section for about a month...i need to collect a GOOD amount of data from actual 240sx owners about their feelings on the new "240sx replacement"

discussion is welcome about the car...but i DO NOT want immature little comments about your personal feelings on how much you dislike newer cars or how you think they should bring back the S13 or S15 or yadda yadda yadda...MATURE input is welcome, signatures of people who want to see the car are welcome, and most of all PLEASE VOTE IN THE ABOVE POLL


UPDATE 02-13-09:

ITS NOT CANCELLED!!!! ITS POSTPONED!!!!

it has simply been put on hold due to the worlds economy

[dorkidori_s13]

and guys...please be completely honest...if you are purchasing a genesis or nissan has really lost you as a customer...PLEASE feel free to vote for that

the key to this poll is HONESTY and MATURE INPUT

[SoSideways]

Will have to see what it looks like, for reals, and its engine/suspension, before I can make up my mind.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Why do people keep dwelling on this shit? Honestly, most people who drive S-chassis now are broke HS/college kids who can barely afford gas. There may be a market for it, but its honestly not as big as people make it out to be. Think about it, with the price of used 350Z are now, how come you still dont see alot of them getting tracked?!?! You can easily pick up an 03 at this point close to $10k. Why push for a 240sx variant when you have 350Zs that are just as good, if not better than what the S-chassis will ever be.

No offense to alot of folks in here but how many people can actually afford a $400 car payments before $150-200 car insurance, before gas, maintenance and the works?

[SimpleS14]

^-- very true, except I'm not some broke kid :keke:


By the time I'm done paying off the M35, a used Z will be quite tempting. The 370Z is so fine, it's hard to see myself in something else (I LOVE that car).


I know this is super off-topic, but a Sentra SE-R coupe with a MR20DE-T wouldn't be a bad move for Nissan....

[WILDACEX187]

specs and styling will likely sell me on it.

[dorkidori_s13]

personally...i dont want something with a V6 in it...i want a 4 cyl, RWD, turbo car that is SMOG LEGAL!!!!!! (im sick of paying 100-200 a year to get my car "smogged" because nissan screwed us over with that CRAP KA24 POS because it didnt want to outperform its precious Z...sorry im jaded)

and take one look at the genesis in its home country right now...the car is FLYING off the lots...tuners are going nuts with it...and its actually POPULAR!!!

[Gnnr]

Honestly. By "2011" I'm planning on getting a Z since nothing concrete has come out of Nissan lately. When something does, I'll reconsider.

[SimpleS14]

and take one look at the genesis in its home country right now...the car is FLYING off the lots...tuners are going nuts with it...and its actually POPULAR!!!


Maybe , just maybe...the car will eventually come out in Japan first and gain momentum before reaching the states and other parts of the world?

Either way, if that were to happen...it won't be anytime soon...

[VROOOM]

id be more than willing to buy a new S chassis. but it would have to outperform my Mazdaspeed3.
although the 370z is really tempting. i could see getting one of those in a few years too

[s13.dark1]

the replacement would be great! I am waiting for it to come out and cant wait to get one. If its anything like the new line of Z cars it should be a bed wetter

[fliprayzin240sx]

The way I see it, Hyundai might actually pull it off with the Genesis. Why? Nobody else is gonna be making a $20k rwd car. With Nissan and Toyota/Subby pulling the plug on their RWD variants, there wont be anybody else in the market. With the aftermarket support thats going to come out for the Genesis, it would be hard to ignore.

The only thing thats a toss up will be how willing people will be to buy a new car on this crappy global finance nightmare. Even if there wasnt a recession, the Genesis would have 2-3 yrs heads start on the "neo-silvia" It would be just like the PS3 playing catch up to the 360...

Personally, Im stuck with an S-chassis. I got too much money tied into this chassis to walk away from it. Im in the middle of an S15 engine rebuild thats sucking me dry, no way im not gonna enjoy this thing till I blow it.

[emersonLP]

I recently purchased a slightly used 350z because it fit into my price range. I anticipate keeping it for a number of years because I really like it... but if something were to happen to it, I would seriously look into the S-chassis replacement first.

[JoeC1982]

my next purchase will be this summer/fall so the car wouldn't have been out yet anyways. i am going to get a G35 coupe or Acura TSX but i would definitely be interested in a "240sx" replacement in a couple years.

I will drive the Genesis when it comes out before i make a purchase but i'm not expecting to purchase one.

[VROOOM]

The way I see it, Hyundai might actually pull it off with the Genesis. Why? Nobody else is gonna be making a $20k rwd car. With Nissan and Toyota/Subby pulling the plug on their RWD variants, there wont be anybody else in the market. With the aftermarket support thats going to come out for the Genesis, it would be hard to ignore.

The only thing thats a toss up will be how willing people will be to buy a new car on this crappy global finance nightmare. Even if there wasnt a recession, the Genesis would have 2-3 yrs heads start on the "neo-silvia" It would be just like the PS3 playing catch up to the 360...

hyundai has that thing where if you lose your job within a year of buying hte car you can give it back with no ding on your credit. that might help alot too.

[dorkidori_s13]

lets keep this thread at the top guys

[dorkidori_s13]

do me a fav guys and spread this thread around to other forums (just copy and paste the link)...i need to get as much feedback as possible

[s13dan]

lol no hyundia purchases?

[projectRDM]

Who cares? Are people really so in love with their Schassis that they can only drive something from that family? I really don't understand that kind of loyalty.
I like my 240SX. Really I do. But in two years the very last thing I want to own is a replacement for the fanboy bandwagon drift machine that made this site and all other web boards total and complete shit, not to mention the ENTIRE import car community.

Audi RS6, Benz C63, Cayman S, IS-F, something along the lines of actually being mature is what I plan to be driving. No offense to anyone eagerly awaiting the replacement, but I think eventually you have to grow up.

[dorkidori_s13]

honestly...the thing that makes the 240sx and the S chassis so awesome is how easy they are to work on, maintain and to have fun with

i love the G35 to death...and i would LOVE one for a daily...but honestly if i had a choice between a used G35 or a brand new 240sx replacement...i would take the 240sx replacement...im much more comfortable with idea of working on a 4 cylinder motor than i am a VQ series motor that is crammed into the engine bay

and i mean come on...nissan can afford to bring out and maintain sales with a SUPER CAR (gtr) but it cant cater to the entry level market with a car that would sell for 24-25k fully loaded and offer consumers an awesome bang for their buck??? 30 grand for a 370z is a little more than i want to spend....80k for a GTR is so ridiculous to my check book that i cant even fathom spending that much money on a car...and a entry level "sporty" FWD car is hardly worth the time for me to even take a 2nd look at (sentra SE-R and Altima Coupe)...wheres the love for the people who want a RWD turbo sports car that isnt V6 and doesnt cost an arm and a leg

PERFECT example of a popular, awesome selling sports car that has been around for over 20 years now......MIATA!!!

[BustedS13]

i WAS interested. now though... if i'm going to buy a sporty nissan, might as well be a late model 350. the 370's knocking the price down on them quite a bit.

[Gnnr]

Who cares? Are people really so in love with their Schassis that they can only drive something from that family? I really don't understand that kind of loyalty.
I like my 240SX. Really I do. But in two years the very last thing I want to own is a replacement for the fanboy bandwagon drift machine that made this site and all other web boards total and complete shit, not to mention the ENTIRE import car community.

Audi RS6, Benz C63, Cayman S, IS-F, something along the lines of actually being mature is what I plan to be driving. No offense to anyone eagerly awaiting the replacement, but I think eventually you have to grow up.

I get where you coming from, but don't act like the community for those cars is all that better. Its full of stuck up assholes who are mechanically clueless...just with more money/kids/bills. There's going to be people you don't like in any community.

[ZX88]

the genisis as appearance goes is very nice. in order for nissan to be successful with the new 240 replacement they better stick to the essence that makes it special appearance wise, performance wise, price wise. im not looking fora Nissan cut out to be filling up my garage.

[dorkidori_s13]

my biggest request is for nissan not to load it down with useless electronics...KEEP IT SIMPLE...no heated seats...no manual shift assist...no bluetooth...no bajillion speakers...just an AFFORDABLE rwd, turbo sports coupe with LOTS of youth oriented, customizable options (ie: scion is a PERFECT example)

[xsparc]

I think ill pick up a Genesis because i want something kinda inexpensive that i can mod in cali. Nissan has gone way down hill in the power to weight ratio so this looks like the best tuner option for the time being.

And driving a choped up 20yr old car is getting kinda old.

[dorkidori_s13]

and driving a choped up 20yr old car is getting kinda old.

amen!!!!!!

[exitspeed]

I don't even feel like debating this shit right now.

I'm extremely disappointed at the moment.

FYI we're not ALL broke ass kids.

I don't know what to vote because I will be ready to make a new car purchase in a year or two at the most.

[Chaws15]

I don't have enough capital (still college student), but once I get out, I want an S-chassis waiting for me on the lots.

[JoeC1982]

I'd actually rather have the VQ25 than any of nissans current 4 bangers with a turbo, i've seen a few of the MR motors in the Versa/Sentra already having problems.

my specs for the car:
VQ25
6 speed manual, opt 6 speed DSG
limited slip available as stand alone option or part of sport pack
under 3k lbs
17's standard, 18's on sport
cloth/alcantara interior

options:
sport with lsd, bigger wheels, sport tuned suspension
brembo's as stand alone option
sunroof/hid's/bose could be a premium package

[VROOOM]

you know if you really want RWD you can get new Mustangs for dirt cheap now.

[240sxdriftin]

i hate to say it, but with the styling of new cars coming out and everyone trying to make them futuristic, i'm pretty sure this car will be hideous and nothing like the s chassis that we all know and love....and i'd be willing to bet that it will not be anywhere near as easy to work on as the current s chassis, just because its a newer car and everything is computers and safety...

i would love to see nissan come out with a reasobly priced 4cyl turbo rwd sports car, but the chances are slim

but if they do and it is actually a good car, i would buy one

[dorkidori_s13]

you know if you really want RWD you can get new Mustangs for dirt cheap now.


oh wow...thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight :duh:

[JeremyR]

from the amount of ignorance nissan seems to hold about the S Chassis community (as in...they dont really seem to have an idea of what kind of foothold we have in the motorsports and import racing world...and how many of us are now MUCH older and are able to afford a new itteration of our favorite car)


i'm sure nissan understands how much importance the s chasis has.

which is not much at all.

the z and the skyline gt-r's have always been nissans top sports cars.
the s chassis was an entry level sport coupe. which died off with the s15.
obviously demand was low and there was no reason to keep this car around in a market that is already over-saturated with cars. so they axed it. the economy is in the shitter, and not many people will drop 25k on a new rwd turbo nissan, when they can get something else thats BETTER for less. pontiac gto's go for about 13-16k used, 6.0 400hp. evos, stis, 350z, there are alot of cheap performance cars out right now, import or otherwise. really is no point in bringing out something that wont sell well. yes, you will have a few die hard people (like yourself) that want. but there is reallyno market for it.

yes i love my s chassis, more than anything. but i dont need a brand spankin new one. it would be nice, but i already have a "fun" car. once you get to a certain age/stage/place in life, you need a more practical car. something to tow my car to the track with. something to put the kids with. someone that i can drive safely in the ran with. something that wont get my pulled over. something that doesnt get every ricer on the planet to try and race me. there is no market for this car right now, and probably wont be for a long time.

fact is, 80% of the people who are interested in 240sx and drive 240sx, are doing so becuase of its recent surge of popularity. be it from drifting, initial d, more coverage in the import mags, or whatever. if the "240sx trend" never came around, no one would give 2 shits about these cars. civics and integras used to be the "cool" car to have. now its 240sx. in a few years (hopefully sooner than later) they'll be another "it" car in the import scene. it jsut doesnt make sense business-wise for nissan to release another new sports car. a base model 370z is still pretty damn cheap. adn you can get a 350z for a little more than 10k these days.

[dorkidori_s13]

the z and the skyline gt-r's have always been nissans top sports cars.
the s chassis was an entry level sport coupe. which died off with the s15.
obviously demand was low and there was no reason to keep this car around in a market that is already over-saturated with cars. so they axed it.

you couldnt be more wrong with that statement...the silvia was a HUGE contender in the markets it was available in with the proper engines (not the KA24 which was garbage)...the silvia sold more cars than the Skyline and Z combined...regardless of Js, Qs, Ks, X, A, R, or M models...the cars sold like crazy during their life spans (need i remind you that the 180sx hatchback had an 11 year production run???)...not that they outsold the regular bread and butter sedans...but in comparison to the Skyline and Z...it was a winner

the reason the Silvia was axed (along with the Z and the Skyline and about 10-15 other vehicles in nissans late 90s/early 2000s lineup) was due to nissan almost going BANKRUPT!!!! oi...carlos ghosn saw an opportunity to take hold of nissan...renault bought 45% of nissans shares...ghosn was appointed nissan CEO...he axed pretty much any and all un-neccesary cars...and kept the little round badge with a square brand alive...if u do some research...ull find that the 350z had been remodeled 3-4 times before it was allowed to even be shown at auto shows as a concept...but im not gonna get into the nitty gritty details

what it basically boils down to was that nissan was in the hole...they were 2 days away from the closing the doors due to bankruptcy...renault and carlos ghosn took the company and made it profitable again (he has been praised by business professionals all over the world for what hes done with the company in such a short time span)

the silvia was never axed due to poor sales or because it was outweighed by a bigger badder sports car...the last silvia rolled off the production floor in october of 2002...the last skyline GTR rolled off the production floor in november of 2002...so keep that in mind

[WILDACEX187]

^^^ well said

[Akiros]

I have finally reached a point in my life to where I can afford a car payment. I would really like a NEW car for peace of mind, and especially one that is bang for the buck(as opposed to a 100k mile 03 350z). I'm tired of waiting, so a Genesis Coupe sounds NICE. 22k, nice interior, 6spd, 2.0L Turbo).

IMO nissan should go with a scion-esque crowd approach and still keeping the young adult and other crowds in mind and offer different trim levels such as:

Based out - mr20de, 150ishhp, RWD, cheaper trans, great gas mileage, will be popular on TV because of drift/tuner shows, etc (let's face it, if its RWD and lightweight, it will be shown in contrast to other manufacturer's entry level RWD sport coupes)
something with a price of around $17,000

SE Version - vq25de?/slightly powerful, 6spd, leather?, nice sound system, nicer wheels ,sport suspension, maybe 220hp - $21,000

K's/SE-R/nismo package - vq35de / vq25det / more powerful motor / brembos, 19's, 300hp - $25-26000

[racepar1]

I am afraid that the styling of the supposed 240sx replacement will not be to my liking. The styling on most "modern" cars is just too bubbly for me. While nissan did absolutely nail the overall body lines on the 370z there are a fair amount of details to the styling on that car that are straight up whack IMO. I am afraid that it will come out looking like a cross between an altima coupe and a 370z. If nissan truly does want to pursue this car they need to take some styling cues from the s-13, s-14, and s-15. Each car has it's own sexy appeal, but each also is lacking in styling in one way or another. If nissan took all the strong points of the 3 main s-chasis cars that are already out there and blended them carefully they could have a quite good looking car. Unfortuanetly they won't do that and the car will come out looking like an altima/370 mutt.

[BustedS13]

oh wow...thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight :duh:

it's more like bringing a cool car to a retard fight

[WILDACEX187]

mustangs are cool? :confused::confused:

[lflkajfj12123]

(need i remind you that the 180sx hatchback had an 11 year production run???)

pretty sure it was 9 years

1989-1998

[BustedS13]

mustangs are cool? :confused::confused:

yes, yes they are

specifically:

-new edge GT (dirt cheap)
-new edge Bullitt (rad)
-new edge Cobra (03-04 preferably)
-new edge Mach 1
-any fifth gen, GT or greater

any of these cars are cooler than a 240sx

[racepar1]

yes, yes they are

specifically:

-new edge GT (dirt cheap)
-new edge Bullitt (rad)
-new edge Cobra (03-04 preferably)
-new edge Mach 1
-any fifth gen, GT or greater

any of these cars are cooler than a 240sx

Ummmmm, I would rather shoot myself then buy a mustang. Some of the special models had an actual REAL rear suspension set-up, but the VAST majority of them have the dinosaur solid rear axle. If I am going to buy a car with a dinosaur solid rear axle I'll buy an ae86, which I already own one of. At least I could build a formula atlantic motor on the cheap for it using some of my dad's spare parts. Mustangs are for housewives that need to "spice" up their drab existence, college girls, or old farts in their mid life crisis. Sorry but it's the truth. I could drive an old shelby, a fox-body 5.0 LX, or a cobra-r, but that's about it. Besides the new mustangs are ugly as fuck.

[BustedS13]

Ummmmm, I would rather shoot myself then buy a mustang. Some of the special models had an actual REAL rear suspension set-up, but the VAST majority of them have the dinosaur solid rear axle. If I am going to buy a car with a dinosaur solid rear axle I'll buy an ae86, which I already own one of. At least I could build a formula atlantic motor on the cheap for it using some of my dad's spare parts. Mustangs are for housewives that need to "spice" up their drab existence, college girls, or old farts in their mid life crisis. Sorry but it's the truth. I could drive an old shelby, a fox-body 5.0 LX, or a cobra-r, but that's about it. Besides the new mustangs are ugly as fuck.

oh okay
you don't have to buy a mustang i guess

[steve shadows]

The S Chassis will go the way of the 510

[Matej]

If the S-chassis successor was supposed to be anywhere close to resembling the prototypes or a 350/370Z, I am glad they axed it.

And Mustangs are hideous, especially the new retro ones. They are so huge that whenever I see one, my eyes cannot comprehend it as one car in its entirety, and then it just comes out as a blob in my mind.

[Rapier46]

you know if you really want RWD you can get new Mustangs for dirt cheap now.

lol domestics

[Akiros]

lol domestics

lol ya ever1 noz that all domesic sucks. haha

[lflkajfj12123]

did you say NOS???

[dorkidori_s13]

pretty sure it was 9 years

1989-1998

you went and looked on wikipedia didnt you???

180sx was debuted as a 1988 model...the s13 silvia didnt debut until 1989...the last 180sx rolled off the production line in mid 99 i believe...fully loaded it cost more than a top model S15 Spec-R

[dorkidori_s13]

If the S-chassis successor was supposed to be anywhere close to resembling the prototypes or a 350/370Z, I am glad they axed it.

from what ive been told by various people...it heavily resembled a G35 coupe

[VROOOM]

lol domestics

lol, canadians

[lflkajfj12123]

so you're considering time of sales

not year of production

no wiki just thinking of all the 180sx years

[Gnnr]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/gambit25/mustang.jpg

[WILDACEX187]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/gambit25/mustang.jpg

lol :rofl::rofl:

[racepar1]

The S Chassis will go the way of the 510

Seriously. Too many are getting smashed up and thrown away. In 15-20 years a clean s-13 will be pretty much non-existent, if that long.

[dorkidori_s13]

ok guys...stop the shit talking...this thread is supposed to be a MATURE conversation and input forum

[BustedS13]

but mustangs are icky, they have too many horse powers and the same suspension configuration as an ae86, my second favoritest car evers

waahhhhhh

[soreballz]

"No, i cannot afford to spend $20.000 - $25,000 on a new car, but i am interested in the car greatly."

Yupp. I'm broke, and probably always will be. lol

[JeremyR]

the last skyline GTR rolled off the production floor in november of 2002...so keep that in mind


and the new one had been in development since then. PLUS the release of the z-tune gt-r in like, 05-06 i think it was. for a company that was on the verge of going under, i woulndt call the s chassis a success story. yeah the 180sx was in production for 10 years, but alot of manufacturers do this. fd3s rx7 was in production for 10 years, so was the s2k. hell even the new bettle has been in production for 10 years, with a remodel coming in 2011. basically it boils down to demand. if the demand for it is there, they will build it. the demand was there for the gt-r which is why they build it. hell, they dont even ADVERTISE the car at all, as requested by carlos. there is a very small demand for a new s chassis. end of story. as a nissan lover it would be awesome for it to happen, but i just dont see it in the near future.

[fliprayzin240sx]

you couldnt be more wrong with that statement...the silvia was a HUGE contender in the markets it was available in with the proper engines (not the KA24 which was garbage)...the silvia sold more cars than the Skyline and Z combined...regardless of Js, Qs, Ks, X, A, R, or M models...the cars sold like crazy during their life spans (need i remind you that the 180sx hatchback had an 11 year production run???)...not that they outsold the regular bread and butter sedans...but in comparison to the Skyline and Z...it was a winner

the reason the Silvia was axed (along with the Z and the Skyline and about 10-15 other vehicles in nissans late 90s/early 2000s lineup) was due to nissan almost going BANKRUPT!!!! oi...carlos ghosn saw an opportunity to take hold of nissan...renault bought 45% of nissans shares...ghosn was appointed nissan CEO...he axed pretty much any and all un-neccesary cars...and kept the little round badge with a square brand alive...if u do some research...ull find that the 350z had been remodeled 3-4 times before it was allowed to even be shown at auto shows as a concept...but im not gonna get into the nitty gritty details

what it basically boils down to was that nissan was in the hole...they were 2 days away from the closing the doors due to bankruptcy...renault and carlos ghosn took the company and made it profitable again (he has been praised by business professionals all over the world for what hes done with the company in such a short time span)

the silvia was never axed due to poor sales or because it was outweighed by a bigger badder sports car...the last silvia rolled off the production floor in october of 2002...the last skyline GTR rolled off the production floor in november of 2002...so keep that in mind

you went and looked on wikipedia didnt you???

180sx was debuted as a 1988 model...the s13 silvia didnt debut until 1989...the last 180sx rolled off the production line in mid 99 i believe...fully loaded it cost more than a top model S15 Spec-R

Well you do know that NISSAN never really took off as a global name. Nissan is big in Japan and Japan only. Sure the S-chassis was peddled world wide, but just like in the states, they didnt have as big of a following in the 90s. How many people really gave a shit about these cars outside Japan before 1999? The sad truth is not a whole lot. Not till the popularity of drifting, is when people really started paying attention on these cars. Unfortunately, it was too late by then. S15s werent even a global car, when Nissan pulled the plug on the S14 in the states due to the pathetic sales number, Nissan pulled the S-chassis for Europe too.

The same reason that the S-chassis got axed, would be the same reason why it wont come back anytime soon. Ghosn single handedly turned around the company, took roughly 5 yrs to get the company around, and now this quarter was the first time since 2004 that Nissan came out in the negative. Do you really think Nissan will risk putting themselves back to the same position they were in a decade ago to make a few enthusiasts happy? I dont know what world you live in but you need to open your eyes and realize it, the whole world is in a recession, companies that prepare for it are the only ones that will survive it. This isnt something that will go away in 5 yrs, if anything shit will only get worst. The cherry on top of all this, the Yen exchange rate...the way shit are right now, no way in hell Nissan can afford to build a new sub $25k car.

As far as the 180, yes it was a very popular, but again, only in Japan. The 180sx hatch was produced all the way to 1998, around the same time the last S14 rolled off the factory. Once the S15 came out to replace the S14, the 180sx ceased to exist also.

[drift freaq]

I think ill pick up a Genesis because i want something kinda inexpensive that i can mod in cali. Nissan has gone way down hill in the power to weight ratio so this looks like the best tuner option for the time being.

And driving a choped up 20yr old car is getting kinda old.

Ah excuse me but the Genesis Coupe is no winner in the power to weight ratio game. In fact its heavy. Oh and the 350Z and the 370z will own it. Plain and simple. Oh and I mentioned this in another thread you can pick up a used 350Z for 10k or less, around $18k for a 2007 which is rated at 306 HP. Hmm why would I bother with Korean rip off of everybody elses car when I can buy a Japanese car that has heritage. NO THANKS On GENESIS. I will never buy a Korean attempt at a Sports car!

[dorkidori_s13]

the most appealing aspect to me about the genesis is that it boasts a 4 cyl, rwd, turbo engine...and it also actually looks good (well slammed on some flush wheels)...and not to mention its a 4B11 motor...same block as the evo...slightly different head...so right there you know the engine portion is reliable...moreso than anything else hyundai offers

[dorkidori_s13]

Well you do know that NISSAN never really took off as a global name. Nissan is big in Japan and Japan only. Sure the S-chassis was peddled world wide, but just like in the states, they didnt have as big of a following in the 90s. How many people really gave a shit about these cars outside Japan before 1999? The sad truth is not a whole lot. Not till the popularity of drifting, is when people really started paying attention on these cars. Unfortunately, it was too late by then. S15s werent even a global car, when Nissan pulled the plug on the S14 in the states due to the pathetic sales number, Nissan pulled the S-chassis for Europe too.

has the amount of optomism just gone completely from most peoples lives??? especially S chassis tuners and fans??? maybe its because of the media induced recession were living in or the absolute negative state that the world lives its life in...but honestly...the amount of negativity and defeat im starting to read from a lot of people posting is just very distressing

i guess maybe its a rule ive made for myself in my own life from my own life experiences that it helps your world around when you stay positive and optomistic for the good things to happen in life

(not making any personal attacks with my statement above...just throwing something out there that is meant as an observation and nothing more)

[dorkidori_s13]

and remember kids...this whole situation....

:lfault: :lfault: :lfault:

;) i heart you s13silviagirl :D

[drift freaq]

I would buy a New RX7 before I bought a Korean Sports car. Oh and I think the Genesis coupe is terribly generic and fail in the looks department. There I fucking said it. RX7,350Z,370Z. Hell maybe even a Cayman S used! No Korean, No Korean, NO crap Korean Sports cars!

Oh and so what it has the base of shitty ASS fucking MitsuSHITTY EVO engine . Mitsushitties are as bad as a Hyundai sports car!

[dorkidori_s13]

I would buy a New RX7 before I bought a Korean Sports car. Oh and I think the Genesis coupe is terribly generic and fail in the looks department. There I fucking said it. RX7,350Z,370Z. Hell maybe even a Cayman S used! No Korean, No Korean, NO crap Korean Sports cars!

Oh and so what it has the base of shitty ASS fucking MitsuSHITTY EVO engine . Mitsushitties are as bad as a Hyundai sports car!


yikes *crawls under rock*

[dorkidori_s13]

if you guys would...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE repost a link to this topic on other web forums you post on for drifting or 240s in general...i am posting this thing all over the place to get people to come here to vote...this topic is VERY important to me and the research i am trying to put together...this information and thread WILL be sent to nissan and WILL find its way to someone VERY high up that i know there

[fliprayzin240sx]

SO wheres the part on the Poll where I vote: No, I will not buy a new neo S-chassis because Im happy with 15 yr old POS?

[irax]

there needs to be an "I really want a new 240sx type car, but the gen coupe looks hot and has options I want" or "I'm planning on buying the gen coupe until Nissan brings back a 240sx that looks kind of like the s15 with modern styling."


My friend over at Greddy told me about how the gen coupe dynos

100% stock ~145whp
open hood ~150whp
aftermarket intake ~170whp


and the 3.8 v6 makes ~300whp


so... is 155-130 whp worth the extra 5k??? hmmm... YES! though I never owned a turbo car but I kind of want to.

[dorkidori_s13]

My friend over at Greddy told me about how the gen coupe dynos

100% stock ~145whp
open hood ~150whp
aftermarket intake ~170whp


kinda funny how those numbers are VERY close to a bone stock SR ;)

if that motor is ANYTHING like the evo X 4B11...adding bolt ons will have the HP jumping in leaps and bounds

[unlegendary]

this is like a group buy offer that is waiting to go sour. if anything they should just bring the S15s to the states unless the new s chassis will get a 6 cylinder turbo, lightweight, not ugly like any new car, and has optional sport packages. either way, nissan would look like they're playing catch up to a knock off company lol.

[Jdotsturn]

I would never buy a new car. However, if it did come out I would wait 3-5 years and might consider picking up a used one.

[Flipzide]

i voted I am interested in the car, but i will not make a decision until ive seen the car.

I prolly wouldn't try to get one until the 2nd or third year though. Definately would never get the first year. I'd honestly only be interested if it was a inline 4 turbo and nothing less.

[irax]

kinda funny how those numbers are VERY close to a bone stock SR ;)


LOLOL! I see what you did there? No I am wrong about the SR but this is what my friend at Greddy told me. We just thought it was fucking hilarious that if you pop the hood open you gain hp.

[BustedS13]

i'm honestly curious why anyone on this forum would really be interested in this car other than heritage.
this car would be better suited for kids whose parents want to buy a scion tc-esque ride to attain "cool dad status".

anybody on here should be considering the fact that a lightly used z33 would be significantly cheaper than the new silvia, and ten times cooler.

[WILDACEX187]

not after seeing the 370z it aint. and u dont even know wat the replacement looks like

[BustedS13]

not after seeing the 370z it aint. and u dont even know wat the replacement looks like

....the 370 is what's driving the price down on the 350.
and i can tell you what it'll look like. a rear wheel drive scion tC. four seats, small engine, less performance-oriented than the z33.
i can also tell you that if it's a mid 20's car, you will pay ten thousand dollars more for it than you would for a late model z33. fuck that.

i thought it'd be cool to buy one but then the moment passed. i don't need a tiny, useless back seat. if there's four of us wanting to go somewhere, one of us has a sedan

[!Zar!]

Honestly, there is no NEED for a modern day 240sx.

And the WANT for one is mostly by people who still live in mom and dads basement and are too poor to buy a salvage title s13, let a lone a brand new car.

Looking at it from a car stand point, the 350z IS the modern day 240.

Good aftermarket, rwd and pretty cheap for what it is.

[klohiq]

Looking at it from a car stand point, the 350z IS the modern day 240.


exactly...

you can't expect any car manufacturer to make a car as light as the 240sx anymore. people want bigger cars and more power. all that refinement along with nvh, safety equipment, etc and you have a car that weighs as much as the 350z.

[240SXsaint]

id get one but id wait till the second year to buy one. and no I dont live with mom or dad. i like the nissan tradition of always having a fun car to drive so if there is gonna be a 240 replacement ill get one if not ill invest in a used 350z

[BustedS13]

exactly...

you can't expect any car manufacturer to make a car as light as the 240sx anymore. people want bigger cars and more power. all that refinement along with nvh, safety equipment, etc and you have a car that weighs as much as the 350z.

3188 pounds is NOT an excessively heavy car.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Who cares how heavy a car is nowadays, as long as the suspension is tweak to handle the extra weight, who cares?

[Nachtmensch]

I would have been interested, but i already bought a used MR-S. i would have considered a new 240sx-type car though. maybe down the line.

[TehMaverick]

let me help you

Silvia is cancelled. (http://www.ma240sx.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=3192)

Nissan in the stupidest move cancels nextgen RWD silvia: General Chat: Nissan Forums / Infiniti Forums - NICOclub (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/403329-nissan-in-the-stupidest-move-cancels-nextgen-rwd-silvia)

and I have yet too find a zilvia thread in which it talks about it, except for the 2011 240 thread, which i guess, doesn't know about the cancellation.

[irax]

ohh great they cancel supposedly making the silvia to continue to make altima coupes and sentras. *face palm*

Altima coupes are great, but you are just lying to your self when you buy one. "I really like G35's but my wallet likes Altima coups, no one can tell the drifference right?" Sure it looks good and it looks just like the g35 but the handling is no where near comparable. Instead of making the Altima coupe they should of brought back the M30 coupe or some variant entry level faux luxury car.

[shinhed]

Who cares how heavy a car is nowadays, as long as the suspension is tweak to handle the extra weight, who cares?

No reasonable amount of suspension tweaking will allow a Tesla (2723lbs) to keep up with a 134hp Lotus Elise S (1975lbs) and the Tesla has more grunt and straight line speed.

Weight matters.

[LA_phantom_240]

I'd like to see the car and get a to drive it before deciding to get it. Mind you, with my S14 undergoing some bigger changes, a new(er) daily driver would be great, and if the price is right and I like the 240sx 'replacement', I'd pick it up. 20k is definitely in my range of what I can afford to make payments on.

[MambaSic]

well you wont get that chance, because its all over now. And the New "silvia" Will Not come to be. Close thread and Cry. F*cK You Nissan. Bissshs N Bastrds. Hyundai will tear it up if they are gonna be the only ones. Maybe Mazda will be able to pull something off.

[dorkidori_s13]

ITS NOT CANCELLED!!!! ITS POSTPONED!!!!


it has simply been postponed due to the worlds economy

[JoeC1982]

hopefully it will be ready for my 2nd car purchase in the future which will probably be summer/fall of '11.

[Ragnarok043]

Nissan already lost me as a customer, i plan on buying a second hand s2k this year and my budget is around 20k. if Nissan had came out with a light sports car around 20k-25k this year, i wouldve seriously considered getting a brand new car instead. even though i like the new 370Z and its relatively affordable, the Z just feels heavy, im looking for light nimble car.

[dorkidori_s13]

this thread is awesome...im glad you guys are taking such a major role in it =D

under 24 hours...over 1000 views...almost 200 votes...and has stayed pegged at the top of the page...keep the votes and opinions coming guys

[SimpleS14]

The car is being postponed......

If that's the case, shouldn't they atleast release a concept? a sketch or some official confirmation on such a vehicle being postponed?

[VROOOM]

No reasonable amount of suspension tweaking will allow a Tesla (2723lbs) to keep up with a 134hp Lotus Elise S (1975lbs) and the Tesla has more grunt and straight line speed.

Weight matters.

but the GTR weighs 3800 pounds and keeps up with 3100 pound Z06's.

and the Z06 has more grunt and straight line speed.

[LA_phantom_240]

but the GTR weighs 3800 pounds and keeps up with 3100 pound Z06's.

and the Z06 has more grunt and straight line speed.

Yeah... but the Z06 is a domestic... and domestics really aren't known for their sharp and agile handling characteristics.

[VROOOM]

Yeah... but the Z06 is a domestic... and domestics really aren't known for their sharp and agile handling characteristics.

your gonna tell me the Z06 cant handle???? thats a joke.
Cobalt SS is the fastest FWD production car at Ring
Cadillac CTS-V fastest production sedan around the Ring
Dodge Viper ACR fastest production car around the Ring

yeah American cars cant handle.

[WILDACEX187]

got an email back from my contact at nissan this morning

ITS NOT CANCELLED!!!! ITS POSTPONED!!!!

it has simply been postponed due to the worlds economy

hallelujah

[Gnnr]

Cobalt SS is the fastest FWD production car at Ring

Actually that would be the Renault Mégane RS R26.R. But yes, the Z06 can handle...

[VROOOM]

Actually that would be the Renault Mégane RS R26.R. But yes, the Z06 can handle...

that Renault is caged and runs on race tires from the factory. not really fair.

[s13.dark1]

hallelujah

got an email back from my contact at nissan this morning

ITS NOT CANCELLED!!!! ITS POSTPONED!!!!

it has simply been postponed due to the worlds economy


i really hope so the Z is good, but i want a S chassy ive already started to save for it.

[LA_phantom_240]

your gonna tell me the Z06 cant handle???? thats a joke.
Cobalt SS is the fastest FWD production car at Ring
Cadillac CTS-V fastest production sedan around the Ring
Dodge Viper ACR fastest production car around the Ring

yeah American cars cant handle.

Cobalt SS is wrong wheel drive, and therefore it doesn't matter.
CTS-V? What other cars are really in the running? Last I checked, sedans really aren't the majority of sports cars... so it doesn't have too many threats.
Viper ACR... Sure, its a 'production car', but so is the Veyron...
And the Z06, I never said it can't handle... but I didn't single it out in the whole, "domestics aren't KNOWN for their sharp handling" statement.

[INeedNewTires]

Oh and so what it has the base of shitty ASS fucking MitsuSHITTY EVO engine . Mitsushitties are as bad as a Hyundai sports car!

its "Shitsubishi" get it right!


i voted .

I prolly wouldn't try to get one until the 2nd or third year though. Definately would never get the first year. I'd honestly only be interested if it was a inline 4 turbo and nothing less.

agreed, only powerplant can be different, I4T, I6T, V8 doesnt matter to me as long as its one of those...


anybody on here should be considering the fact that a lightly used z33 would be significantly cheaper than the new silvia, and ten times cooler.
[/B]

Z33 isint near as cool as S14a to me- looks, power, price, nor aftermarket support equal the S-chassis. I'm not one of these Z haters, i just like the S14 more. to me its ten times cooler.

your gonna tell me the Z06 cant handle???? thats a joke.
Cobalt SS is the fastest FWD production car at Ring
Cadillac CTS-V fastest production sedan around the Ring
Dodge Viper ACR fastest production car around the Ring

yeah American cars cant handle.

you got that issue too? hahahaha you didnt mention how the damn cobalt also spanked alot of other nicer, more expensive cars including the -Oh My- G37 coupe!

[shinhed]

but the GTR weighs 3800 pounds and keeps up with 3100 pound Z06's.

and the Z06 has more grunt and straight line speed.

The GTR is 4WD:l101:
Unfair handling comparison.

[lv240s14]

350z's are too much money even used
Hyundai is going to sell alot of the genesis coupes because nissan doesn't want to bring something to america

new z 30k
new sti 30k
new evo 30k
new camero v8 30k
new mustang gt 30k
new genesis 22k or so
new silvia ????

all those prices are on the low side

if they can bring a new turbo coupe in the us for around 20k they can make money

[Gnnr]

350z's are too much money even used

What!? They're around $10K or less right now.

[WILDACEX187]

What!? They're around $10K or less right now.

cant really find any for under 14 here in nyc :(

[BustedS13]

Z33 isint near as cool as S14a to me- looks, power, price, nor aftermarket support equal the S-chassis. I'm not one of these Z haters, i just like the S14 more. to me its ten times cooler.


-looks is definitely an opinion. my opinion is that s14's look like some sort of bastard Altima coupe.
-twice the power of an s14.
-not as much chinese ebay part support?

350z's are too much money even used


eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 250368903549 end time Feb-17-09 17:00:00 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___04-NISSAN-350Z-6-SPD-ONLY-26K-MILES-PRICED-4-QUICK-SALE_W0QQitemZ250368903549QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truck sQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash= item250368903549&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1308)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 200308871290 end time Feb-17-09 14:47:28 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___04-Nissan-350Z-Enthusiast-Manual-SUPER-CLEAN-MUST-SEE_W0QQitemZ200308871290QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Trucks QQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=i tem200308871290&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 280311331140 end time Feb-14-09 19:11:17 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2004-NISSAN-350Z-COUPE-6-SPEED_W0QQitemZ280311331140QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash =item280311331140&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 130286969160 end time Feb-16-09 19:03:15 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___NISSAN-350-Z-STICK-SATELLITE-RADIO-SUPER-FAST-SHARP_W0QQitemZ130286969160QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash =item130286969160&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
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eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 120377371778 end time Feb-18-09 20:21:42 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___350Z-TOURING-HTD-SEATS-NAVIGATION-Grey-Burnt-Orange_W0QQitemZ120377371778QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Tru cksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?has h=item120377371778&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 170301353580 end time Feb-16-09 11:13:02 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2004-Nissan-350Z-Coupe-Wow-Nice-Ride_W0QQitemZ170301353580QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truck sQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash= item170301353580&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 150326256523 end time Feb-17-09 15:51:52 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2003-Nissan-350Z-Touring-VERY-NICE-low-price_W0QQitemZ150326256523QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash =item150326256523&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 130287739954 end time Feb-23-09 18:29:38 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___Nissan-350Z-Touring-Great-Condition_W0QQitemZ130287739954QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20 TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks? hash=item130287739954&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1308)
eBay Motors: Nissan : 350Z (item 110347328431 end time Feb-14-09 20:18:15 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___Clean-350Z-white-on-Blk-NICE_W0QQitemZ110347328431QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truck sQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash= item110347328431&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318)

really? that's too expensive?

[BustedS13]

really? these are too expensive?

03 350Z Enthusiast 6speed and Brand NEW 80GB PS3 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1033715496.html)
2003 Nissan 350Z (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1033392719.html)
2004 Nissan 350Z Coupe 2D (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/1028892356.html)
2004 NISSAN 350Z 2 DOOR COUPE EXCELLENT CONDITION 1 OWNER, CHECK IT OU (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/1029121672.html)

[WILDACEX187]

wow they're so cheap out in the westcoast

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

This isn;t ontopic t all anymore!


I picked i wouldn;t know till i see it!

[dorkidori_s13]

back on topic guys...this isnt a thread discussing why the 350z is better than the S chassis or vice versa...the previous comments will be cleaned out as this thread isnt for fighting or arguing

[discosteak]

want to see the new replacement before i do anything

[Enna]

Honestly if it does go through I would really have to see it to be 100% sure. But given Nissan's track record with these things, aside from bastardizing the GTR with a NON stickshift (I dont give a fuck, I still want a clutch pedal), I would 95% pick up the new silvia. Looks of the Silvia's by far is one of my favorite looking cars ever. Its basic factory attributes are fucking incredible. And the parts availability makes it almost impossible to have the same setup as the next person, given that person also buys REAL parts (fuck knockoff body kits, yeah I said it).

I want to see a concept, bad.

[98s14inaz]

Screw these car companies. Hyundai is the only one who is actually making cool cars now. Toyota = yawn. Nissan = boring frustration. Honda = more of the same, nothing innovative.

I'll rock my free and clear s14 until I feel someone offers something worth me buying. No way in hell am I financing anything.

[flip3d]

As long as it doesnt have those ugly ass headlights that hook around the bumper, I'm in.

[lflkajfj12123]

going to drive 20 year old pos for ever

180sx can't touch this

[zerke]

i dont understand why you guys even argue about this...you're all mostly wrong and I doubt you understand the market for cars or the current economy enough to even make a statement LOL. if you want a cool car just get a civic SI and put an exhaust in it. It will get you laid by filipina girls (if you pay them).

[rcl1221]

until Nissan shows some official sketches, or something to give us faith... my money's going to Hyundai.

Like Sunday.

[kognition]

I don't care if they brought back the S15 and called it the S16. I would still buy a new one with the same frame/suspension geometry.

[98s14inaz]

I don't care if they brought back the S15 and called it the S16. I would still buy a new one with the same frame/suspension geometry.

That's the problem...it won't be the same. It'll be some bloated under powered pos with an inflated price tag for sub par performance and way too many electronics :ghey: Do not want.

[BustedS13]

back on topic guys...this isnt a thread discussing why the 350z is better than the S chassis or vice versa...the previous comments will be cleaned out as this thread isnt for fighting or arguing

but it's not really off topic... you asked about interest in the "s16" and i'm telling you why i have zero interest in it

because the 350z is a far better priced, better performing car. and the "s16" doesn't even exist yet.

[dorkidori_s13]

That's the problem...it won't be the same. It'll be some bloated under powered pos with an inflated price tag for sub par performance and way too many electronics :ghey: Do not want.


i seriously doubt nissan would ruin one of its own flagship cars with subpar performance...it learned its lesson in the 90s with the poor excuse of a motor that was dropped into the S chassis here...and now that we have the GTR to even everything out in the performance range...nissan should no longer need to worry about the S chassis outperforming the Z or GTR

[Akiros]

Can we stop comparing NEW cars to 5+ year old cars? wtf?
You will be able to pick up a used year old genesis next year with probably under 10k miles for probably ~ 16k with the factory warranty still in place.
There is a lot that can happen to a car in 50,000 miles...
People that WANT to buy new, buy new for a reason. The enthusiast population is MINIMAL. They are producing a car that the vast majority will consider, and I think that they will do EXTREMELY well.

Hyundai is entering a market with pretty much little competition. And the fact that no one is putting out a similar product is pretty wild to me. I'm really considering the GC because I'm looking to trade in my 65k mile car. I would MUCH rather buy a nissan / toyota product that was in the same pricerange with similar numbers and everything BUT there isn't one and likely won't be one for 2-3 years. So, what else would I do??

[BustedS13]

i seriously doubt nissan would ruin one of its own flagship cars with subpar performance...it learned its lesson in the 90s with the poor excuse of a motor that was dropped into the S chassis here...and now that we have the GTR to even everything out in the performance range...nissan should no longer need to worry about the S chassis outperforming the Z or GTR

exactly

the s16 can't outperform the 370z, and it'll probably have significantly less horsepower than the 350z

why would you pay mid 20's for something that can't keep up with an '03-'08 z33, which you can pick up for low 10's

[dorkidori_s13]

exactly

the s16 can't outperform the 370z, and it'll probably have significantly less horsepower than the 350z

why would you pay mid 20's for something that can't keep up with an '03-'08 z33, which you can pick up for low 10's

honestly...for me...i dont want a V6...i want a 4cyl, RWD and TURBO sports coupe...not a $30,000+ LUXURY V6 sports car (sorry thats how the Z has always been marketed in countries with the GTR and Silvia variants)

i love the G35 to death...and would love one for a daily driver...but i would feel A LOT more at home with a 4 cyl, turbo rwd sports coupe that has the silvia lineage attached to it...and so do a lot of other people

you seem VERY jaded on even adopting the idea of nissan introducing an entry level sports coupe...whats that about??? if youre so jaded about it...please take your negative attitude to another conversation...all youve been doing is arguing with people in this thread...this thread needs input...not arguments

if you want to go buy a 70-80k+ milage 350z...then feel free to...but dont argue with everyone because YOUR interest differs

[Pacman]

I voted:
No, i cannot afford to spend $20.000 - $25,000 on a new car, but i am interested in the car greatly
Since I have 42K in debet from school. I do support Nissan though (although a Toyota employee :/ ) as I buy most of my replacement parts from them. Nothing better then OE parts (unless performance as NISMO is expensive on most things).
Lets see it with a double-wishbone suspension. Much better design then the McPhearson set-up on the cars now. I'll keep my S14 as I own it and just put a crapload of money in repair parts for it!

[VNG704]

Interested in a new nissan s chassis. Would only buy if it was a 4 cyl turbo, rwd, and not soo funky looking. Oh and please, none of that fake titanium coloring on the interior. Looks really cheap. That was one thing I did not like at all in my bro's 350z. I don't think it will be any good being that it will probably drop Z sales. I would expect it to be a 6cyl sports car if the Z wasn't already that. All the sports cars now are getting bigger motors and are getting faster now and days.

[irax]

i don't think it will take away the sales of the Z but more the altima coupe or the sentra spec-v. If you apply your same logic then the Camaro will always take sales away from the 'vet... which it never has. All having a '240sx' does for nissan is let it brake into a market that could not afford a new Z anyways. Nissan does not really care about the resale of Z's as much as over all new car sales, since Nissan as a company does not make money on its used cars being sold. If you could get a NEW "240sx" instead of a used Z, more than half the time people would get the new "240sx". Sure the "240sx" will not be as fast as a Z but the whole 'new car' thing and the warranty will sell you on it.

[98s14inaz]

i seriously doubt nissan would ruin one of its own flagship cars with subpar performance...it learned its lesson in the 90s with the poor excuse of a motor that was dropped into the S chassis here...and now that we have the GTR to even everything out in the performance range...nissan should no longer need to worry about the S chassis outperforming the Z or GTR

You seriously believe that? Why give the GTR that craptastic trans with launch control and then tell people not to use it? Then tell them if they do and the trans breaks you are SOL and out of warranty. I don't see Nissan NA doing anything revolutionary and I doubt a new "silvia" or whatever is going to be what we want.

[dorkidori_s13]

You seriously believe that? Why give the GTR that craptastic trans with launch control and then tell people not to use it? Then tell them if they do and the trans breaks you are SOL and out of warranty. I don't see Nissan NA doing anything revolutionary and I doubt a new "silvia" or whatever is going to be what we want.

you seem to only be looking at the negative of the GTR

1) the launch control issue is being rememdied in the 2009/2010 models...nissan is doing away with it altogether

2) the GTR outperforms cars that cost almost 2-3 times the price tag...start looking at where it ranks in the minds and reviews of professionals all over the world...and not where it ranks or how it performs according to you...someone who has never driven one and just sees the car for its few MINOR faults

[dorkidori_s13]

where are there so many of you who seem so jaded on the subject??? or so unwilling to change from your old chassis to a new one??? or completely down playing the idea of a brand S chassis when you havent even seen it in the place??? why not be a little optomistic instead of being so negative and instantly thinking the car will suck??? do you not pay attention to what nissan has done with its sportscars lately??? do you honestly think that if they released a new silvia/240sx replacement they would let it FAIL like the 240sx did this country???

[Sleepy240]

where are there so many of you who seem so jaded on the subject??? or so unwilling to change from your old chassis to a new one??? or completely down playing the idea of a brand S chassis when you havent even seen it in the place??? why not be a little optomistic instead of being so negative and instantly thinking the car will suck??? do you not pay attention to what nissan has done with its sportscars lately??? do you honestly think that if they released a new silvia/240sx replacement they would let it FAIL like the 240sx did this country???

I don't think these people are "jaded" as you say, I would go with realistic. Would I love to see a new S-chassis? Abso-fucking-lutely! Would I love to see a turbo 4 or 6 cylinder RWD car? You better fucking believe it! The problem is this would (atleast IMO) not be what Nissan would produce. For one the biggest problem I see is the chassis itself. The only ones really available to be used (especially for a RWD setup) is the current Z/G chassis. With the market being the way it is I would find it hard to believe Nissan would dump copious amounts of money into developing a new chassis and then finding a way to fit a motor into a chassis that the company doesn't produce.

To the best of my knowledge Nissan does not produce ANY 4 Cylinder turbocharged motors (RWD). That pretty much only leaves you with the VQ (unless Nissan decides to produce a brand new motor). So having two different cars (based on the same chassis and motors) at different price points WILL alter sales as far the Z/G series go, its like competing against yourself. Sure you'll be hitting the same crowd that the Genesis / GC is going to appeal to but its cutting off the nose to spite the face. To me the main reason I CANNOT see Nissan producing a new S-Chassis is because frankly there isn't a REAL market it for it. Obviously 99% of this forum is for it and same with most other sports car forums, but the car needs to appeal to others than just a small community (when compared to car buyers as a whole).

So to answer you question simply, Yes. If Nissan released a new S-Chassis / 240sx / S16 whatever you want to call it they would let it fail. It wouldn't entirely be their fault. The ONLY way I see Nissan producing this car is for some reason the Genesis / GC TAKE off and sales go through the roof (which I also don't forsee happening).

[lflkajfj12123]

honestly

i want them to take some more years to make this car the right way and market it correctly

rather than rushing it out the door to compete with some stupid hyundai

[Gnnr]

You seriously believe that? Why give the GTR that craptastic trans with launch control and then tell people not to use it?

The people who are whining the most about it are people who:

A. Don't own a GTR
B. Can't afford a GTR
C. Weren't going to get one anyway
D. All the above

The people who own it and others who are on the waiting list (because there is one) aren't doing all this bitching.

[shinhed]

Does it make the question less valid? I don't think so.

[ReDs13SiLvIa]

I just hope it's light,well balanced,simple to work on,and has at least a turbo engine option =}

[fliprayzin240sx]

Wow...I just looked at the Genesis Coupe's Spec, there is no fucking way Nissan can build a car that can compete with that for the same or less price. This car has the potential to blow cars thats in the mid $30K-low $40K cars with all its standard options...

If Nissan tried, itll fuck up the sales of the 370Z and the G37 coupes...

[irax]

yeah but honestly since nissan is a bigger swinger than hyundai. all they really have to do is offer more but slower and less than the gen coupe. take for instance a "240sx" coupe with HIDs, Brembos, 19's, lame interior, 6speed/5speed mt, 2.0 turbo or 2.5 NA around the 220 hp range for around 18-25k it would beat the gen coupe.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

I voted "I will be purchasing a 2010 Hyundai Genesis" Maybe it will turn out to suck but all the signs are making me think it has better than average chance of being a nice platform for the future of our sport. I'm 30, married, got a job and a house, would like a new LEGAL turbo 4 thats reliable, gets better gas mileage and offers more thrills than my v8 truck for DD and occasional onramp hijinks, I have 2 track cars that are way too illegal to drive on the street. I'll never get rid of my S15 but it is just for the track the Genesis seems to be a correct fit for a DD. Nice Ib - just you and me up in GenesisDrift.net (http://www.genesisdrift.net) for now, maybe the other guys in the 10% of the vote will join us there?

[irax]

Yeah I am hoping. www.genesisdrift.net has some cool videos and pics of the gen coupe. I hope it gets real big!

[DC Dan MAX USA]

when its all done up with proper fitment its not too bad.
this is the best KDM example I've seen:
http://bkmania.com/bbs/data/bk_gallery/1232511927/DSC05295.JPG
http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_486552/200812/1229236399_IMG_1671.jpg

[irax]

yeah I really like the fitment of that coupe, though it needs more lip in the front


btw fixed.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

what they really need is some one to man up with thug offsets and some gangster lip Japanese wheels and a hot session on those virgin arches with some mean fender rolling, but thats as close as I could find

[irax]

I think you should fit the HRE's that are on your skyline on your new gen coupe...assuming that its the same bolt pattern.

[dorkidori_s13]

feedback in this thread is awesome...but we need more votes...like 1500 views and 220+ votes???

come on zilvians...VOTE!!!

[jim1234664]

the only way this would work is if they moved the z upmarket and basically filled the z's slot but at ~25k

[dorkidori_s13]

uh...the Z is upmarket

the BASE model Z starts at 29k...not exactly ENTRY level marketed

do you guys not see that the Z is not an entry level coupe??? the Z in every other market has always been sold as a LUXURY SPORTS CAR...its heavy...it uses a HUGE engine (ie: silvia 2.0, gtr 2.6, z32 3.0) its gushy on the inside...has a ton of electronic gizmos...the list goes on and on...and it still holds true to that idea today (hint hint nudge nudge...automatic rev matching...double clutch slushbox tranny etc etc)

[racepar1]

uh...the Z is upmarket

the BASE model Z starts at 29k...not exactly ENTRY level marketed

do you guys not see that the Z is not an entry level coupe??? the Z in every other market has always been sold as a LUXURY SPORTS CAR...its heavy...it uses a HUGE engine (ie: silvia 2.0, gtr 2.6, z32 3.0) its gushy on the inside...has a ton of electronic gizmos...the list goes on and on...and it still holds true to that idea today (hint hint nudge nudge...automatic rev matching...double clutch slushbox tranny etc etc)

The problem is that a used z-33 is an entry level sports coupe right now. Why would anyone go out and spend twice as much money on a new car that is slower then a 350? It doesn't make sense. The "s-16" will have all the same electronic gizmos, safety equipment, and emissions equipment as any other new car. That will make it too heavy to be what it should be. We all want a mid-weight (2800lb or less curb weight), RWD, turbo 4-cyl, entry level sports car. The problem is that in today's world one cannot be produced due to safety and marketing constraints. What we'll end up with is a luxury sports car with an entry level motor, not a good combination. Nissan is not stupid. They are not going to really knock it out of the park with the s-16 as that will jeapordize 370z sales.

[dorkidori_s13]

The problem is that a used z-33 is an entry level sports coupe right now. Why would anyone go out and spend twice as much money on a new car that is slower then a 350? It doesn't make sense. The "s-16" will have all the same electronic gizmos, safety equipment, and emissions equipment as any other new car. That will make it too heavy to be what it should be. We all want a mid-weight (2800lb or less curb weight), RWD, turbo 4-cyl, entry level sports car. The problem is that in today's world one cannot be produced due to safety and marketing constraints. What we'll end up with is a luxury sports car with an entry level motor, not a good combination. Nissan is not stupid. They are not going to really knock it out of the park with the s-16 as that will jeapordize 370z sales.


there are so many things that i could argue you to death over with your above statements...but im not really in the mood to as it seems i just get more negative feedback from anyone on here about the "why it cant happen" instead of "why it CAN happen"

wheres all the POSITIVE thought in all of this guys...seriously...are all of you so close minded, or jaded or just worn out on the thought of something NEW...something that CAN be marketed right...something that CAN work...something that IS worth buying??? something that WILL compete in the areas we are looking for???

but to all of that i hear no...no it wont work...no nissan will screw it up...no the 350z is better...no the car wont look like i did in the 90s...no the car will be slow...no the car will be heavy...no this and no that

have you guys sat down and read some if not all of the information that mel, driftfreaq, yuri, myself, and a few others have presented to you in various threads on this forum??? (most notably being the "2010 sports coupe thread that is over 50 pages long now and packed FULL of useful information) do you guys seriously have SO little faith in anything weve presented??? (if i remember correctly...yuri was going to college for automotive design)

heres a few little fun facts for you guys to marinate on...

1) nissan has sworn that by 2015-2020 it wants to lighten ALL its cars by AT LEAST 15% compared to todays cars...so what does that mean...well take the weight of the 350z...multiply 3400lbs times .15...what do you get??? 2890lbs...go take a look at the 370z...nissan shaved close to 100lbs off the curb weight of that beast compared to the 350...unlike most modern cars that keep getting heavier with each itteration...it got lighter..and the reason for this being so that they can continue offering great motors in their cars without having to sacrifice performance completely just to abide by stricter and very harsh fuel milage regulation laws

2) actual information received from nissan by myself...im not going to delve into details that ive talked about in the past...but from my information STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH OF NISSAN EXECS...the car would have NO PROBLEM achieving the same kind of weight and performance we use to see in the late 90s/early 2000s with the S15 silvia...remember one thing...the VQ series engine wouldnt be used in the "S16" itteration...it would be a 4 cyl turbo...so shave off yet another 100-150 lbs from the curb weight (hell if you switch to an SR in a s chassis you shave off 75 lbs from that stupid heavy KA POS)

3) the general buyers market...PEOPLE DONT WANT CARS THAT ARE OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you guys seem to forget that a lot of the time...i guess since were all so stuck in building rolling shit boxes that are aging faster and faster everyday that we tend to forget 90% of people out there DO NOT WANT a car that is 60,000 miles old with a few problems...no...they want something brand new and shiny in 3-5 years time when theyre done racking up the milage on the odometer...people who are locked into the affordability range of 20-28k a month that want something sporty have literally NOTHING right now in the way of a RWD coupe...guess what would fill that spot????? the new silvia, the rwd scion TC, the RWD subaru impreza, and the brand new hyundai genesis coupe...all of those cars are meant to be in the $20,000 - $25,000 range...i dont see a used low milage 350z in that list...nor do i see a used low milage G35 in that list either...why??? because why spend $16,000-$27,500 on a low milage used car when you could spend $23,500 on a brand new one out the door that has ZERO miles and ZERO problems???

i think for a moment you guys need to step back and perhaps remember that the market of car buyers is not entirely like us...i know for one i dont want a daily driver that i have to tear apart and repair completely before i can even take it to the DMV to register it because some kid before me blew the motor in it...or because i cant find a guy to "smog" my SR20...i would personally (as would a lot of people) love not to even have to THINK about swapping a motor into my new chassis...or just to go pick up a BRAND NEW, NEVER ABUSED 4 cyl, turbo, rwd coupe that i can actually take care of...instead of having to build it from the ground up

sorry about the rant...but im beginning to think this thread was a waste of time because for every one positive reply i get in here...there are 3 of you who just turn around say "oh its nothing but a waste of time because of this problem and this problem...oh and dont forget this problem and i dont like it because its different or new" instead of saying "oh that would be such an awesome thing in life to come along...what if it had this and oh wouldnt that be hella cool if nissan made it look like this...or if they used this style turbo setup...or oh wouldnt brembos be badass for a stock S chassis to compete with the genesis???"

think about the amount of negativity and pessamisim being put forth in the things you post or talk about in life...seriously...it does affect your general "karma" and outlook in life..and what life brings you...why do you think personally im trying to stay positive in so many of the things i post???

[SimpleS14]

hmm......I just I think this car is simply not geared towards most members of this forum. Since a good amount do not represent the "general public".

Most people on here might want a car to modify to their wants and needs that has a low initial cost, hence why the 350Z is being thrown around.

Once this car is released, I can see a new slew of people supporting it and yes it can be successful.

When it's used and dirt cheap, maybe some of these forum members will revisit it.

[lflkajfj12123]

there are so many things that i could argue you to death over with your above statements...but im not really in the mood to....

really really long post



:mepoke::mepoke::mepoke::mepoke::mepoke:

[irax]

people are forgetting, the newer Z's and G's are higher in power. So a 225-250ish "S16" would not compete with the 370z or the G37.DorkiDori is right there is no entry level rwd sporty vehicle on the market right now. Woo genesis coupe is like 3-4 months away, but if nissan just came out tomorrow and said "Hey we are bringing the Silvia back DEFINITELY!" people would hold of on the Gen Coupe. At least Nissan loyalists anyways. And it would be big enough buzz that it would steal away Hyundai's thunder.

S2k starts at what 34k?
Mustang starts at 19k for a v6 but the v8 is 26k
Camaro is not out yet
370z starts at 29k
G37 starts at 35k
BK Gen Coupe starts at 22k but is out in a few months
Miata is like super expensive now compared to what it used to be. and isnt offered turbo anymore
what other RWD 2door cars are there?
SC430 is 65k... pffft yeah we're going to drift a 65k luxy sports car on the streets... of Beverly hills maaaybe.


errr.. no entry level import that isn't a gokart....

wait..

so really Mazda and Hyundai are really cornering the market with cheap 4cyl sporty cars.

[dorkidori_s13]

well remember one thing about the V and Z...theyre both 3400-3500lbs

ive been told by nissan that the curb weight on the 240sx replacement should NOT exceed 3000lbs...so youre talking about 225-250hp in a car that is -3000lbs...thats damn near where the S15 left off

power to weight ratio...the car would be SLIGHTLY slower than the V and Z...however...thats nothing that cant be fixed with a boost controller ;) (and forget about annnoying, heatsoaked, smaller than my bank account right now, sidemount intercoolers on this car guys...SMICs are a thing of the fuking past THANK GOD)

[Gnnr]

Don't forget the S2000 is being phased out. ;)

[dorkidori_s13]

Don't forget the S2000 is being phased out. ;)


its being replaced...honda has even offically announced that the new NSX is still underway too (and this was in the last 2 weeks)

(the car sells WAY too well for honda to discontinue it)

[lflkajfj12123]

Honda Worldwide | January 27, 2009 "Honda to Discontinue Production of the S2000 Sports Car" (http://world.honda.com/news/2009/4090127S2000/)

honda officially announced discontinuing it

and as far as i know they're not bringing something to replace it

where is your official announcement to bring it back

too many speculations and rumors, it won't happen

[dorkidori_s13]

ugh...i dont feel like digging for it right now...it was in something i read recently (it was in an article about honda continuing work on the NSX)

youll have to excuse me if i dont want to dig the article up at the moment...i spend a good portion of the day reading TONS of automotive rumors and info sites...most of em are found thru google

[Sleepy240]

there are so many things that i could argue you to death over with your above statements...but im not really in the mood to as it seems i just get more negative feedback from anyone on here about the "why it cant happen" instead of "why it CAN happen"

wheres all the POSITIVE thought in all of this guys...seriously...are all of you so close minded, or jaded or just worn out on the thought of something NEW...something that CAN be marketed right...something that CAN work...something that IS worth buying??? something that WILL compete in the areas we are looking for???

but to all of that i hear no...no it wont work...no nissan will screw it up...no the 350z is better...no the car wont look like i did in the 90s...no the car will be slow...no the car will be heavy...no this and no that

have you guys sat down and read some if not all of the information that mel, driftfreaq, yuri, myself, and a few others have presented to you in various threads on this forum??? (most notably being the "2010 sports coupe thread that is over 50 pages long now and packed FULL of useful information) do you guys seriously have SO little faith in anything weve presented??? (if i remember correctly...yuri was going to college for automotive design)

Actually I have read pretty much this entire thread and have also been in the other thread. But lets be honest with ourselves. You want Nissan to develope a brand new car. Like I previously stated they DO NOT make a 4 cylinder turbo motor that is RWD. They would have to manufacture a BRAND new engine to give you what you want. Because most of you won't accept a 6 cylinder. And they sure as hell aren't going to put a 6 cylinder Turbo motor in the "s16" while the Z/G get a N/A motor. Its not that I don't have faith in Nissan its just it makes NO... N-O sense from the companies stand point. Your going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to develope a car for a niche market??? My last reasoning for them not creating the "s16" anytime soon is the economy. They just laid off 20,000 employees not 2 weeks ago, yet they need to please some fanboys online?


1) nissan has sworn that by 2015-2020 it wants to lighten ALL its cars by AT LEAST 15% compared to todays cars...so what does that mean...well take the weight of the 350z...multiply 3400lbs times .15...what do you get??? 2890lbs...go take a look at the 370z...nissan shaved close to 100lbs off the curb weight of that beast compared to the 350...unlike most modern cars that keep getting heavier with each itteration...it got lighter..and the reason for this being so that they can continue offering great motors in their cars without having to sacrifice performance completely just to abide by stricter and very harsh fuel milage regulation laws

I totally agree with everything you said here. Nissan IMO is doing one of the best jobs at keeping up and pushing the standards in the auto industry. My only gripe is NOT every automaker is making their cars heavier. The shaving of pounds on cars is all across the board.


2) actual information received from nissan by myself...im not going to delve into details that ive talked about in the past...but from my information STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH OF NISSAN EXECS...the car would have NO PROBLEM achieving the same kind of weight and performance we use to see in the late 90s/early 2000s with the S15 silvia...remember one thing...the VQ series engine wouldnt be used in the "S16" itteration...it would be a 4 cyl turbo...so shave off yet another 100-150 lbs from the curb weight (hell if you switch to an SR in a s chassis you shave off 75 lbs from that stupid heavy KA POS)

I would honestly like to see this "information" because to the best of my knowledge and what I can find is that the "s16" still is not even a legit project. There are NO specs (chassis / motor / suspension) simply everyones opinion. So sure I can say it will achieve the same weight ratios blah blah blah but until you know what platform they are using and motor its a waste of time. Back to my original statement I just don't forsee them building a brand new platform simply for the "s16". Because frankly thats what you want. You dont want a Z/G chassis with a turbo 4, you want a brand new chassis with a brand new turbo 4 that doesnt even exsist.


3) the general buyers market...PEOPLE DONT WANT CARS THAT ARE OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you guys seem to forget that a lot of the time...i guess since were all so stuck in building rolling shit boxes that are aging faster and faster everyday that we tend to forget 90% of people out there DO NOT WANT a car that is 60,000 miles old with a few problems...no...they want something brand new and shiny in 3-5 years time when theyre done racking up the milage on the odometer...people who are locked into the affordability range of 20-28k a month that want something sporty have literally NOTHING right now in the way of a RWD coupe...guess what would fill that spot????? the new silvia, the rwd scion TC, the RWD subaru impreza, and the brand new hyundai genesis coupe...all of those cars are meant to be in the $20,000 - $25,000 range...i dont see a used low milage 350z in that list...nor do i see a used low milage G35 in that list either...why??? because why spend $16,000-$27,500 on a low milage used car when you could spend $23,500 on a brand new one out the door that has ZERO miles and ZERO problems???

You are very right people WANT new cars. The main reason people buy NEW cars is because they have no worries. The second you "hook" up that brand new car say bye bye warranty. Now your $20,000 Brand New car is worth absolutely nothing to the dealership. As much as I don't care for Toyota/Scion they did things right with the tC. By making all the options "factory" including the supercharger etc they MADE the car what people are interested in. But nobody wants the "s16" to become somthing like that so your gonna be stock with a pretty boring car. Also you CAN buy used Z's for 18-25k without a doubt. And I think I already answered the last part of your statement, sure the car has ZERO miles and ZERO problems until you start to modify it.


i think for a moment you guys need to step back and perhaps remember that the market of car buyers is not entirely like us...i know for one i dont want a daily driver that i have to tear apart and repair completely before i can even take it to the DMV to register it because some kid before me blew the motor in it...or because i cant find a guy to "smog" my SR20...i would personally (as would a lot of people) love not to even have to THINK about swapping a motor into my new chassis...or just to go pick up a BRAND NEW, NEVER ABUSED 4 cyl, turbo, rwd coupe that i can actually take care of...instead of having to build it from the ground up

I can't really comment on the "smog" thing because I don't live in CA and don't really have strict emissions out here on the east coast where I live. Part of the whole thing is (I can't speak for everyone) but I get ALOT of pleasure out of building my car (especially from the ground up). Sure its got its fair share of headaches but its worth the time. Sure I could go buy a brand new "s16" but so can joe smith down the street.


sorry about the rant...but im beginning to think this thread was a waste of time because for every one positive reply i get in here...there are 3 of you who just turn around say "oh its nothing but a waste of time because of this problem and this problem...oh and dont forget this problem and i dont like it because its different or new" instead of saying "oh that would be such an awesome thing in life to come along...what if it had this and oh wouldnt that be hella cool if nissan made it look like this...or if they used this style turbo setup...or oh wouldnt brembos be badass for a stock S chassis to compete with the genesis???"


This thread is not a waste of time your just not seeing the results YOU want. If your getting 1 positive for every 3 negatives that should give you a HINT that most people are either doubting this will EVER happen or the fact that it will even be remotely what you want. To finish, if for some reason did manage to make the "s16" i would pass on it.

/end long responseeeee

[SimpleS14]

Like I previously stated they DO NOT make a 4 cylinder turbo motor that is RWD. They would have to manufacture a BRAND new engine to give you what you want.


I'm going to be pretty bold here and say they can make the MR20DET motor (in the Reanult Megane Sport) a RWD variant.

[dorkidori_s13]

Actually I have read pretty much this entire thread and have also been in the other thread. But lets be honest with ourselves. You want Nissan to develope a brand new car. Like I previously stated they DO NOT make a 4 cylinder turbo motor that is RWD. They would have to manufacture a BRAND new engine to give you what you want. Because most of you won't accept a 6 cylinder. And they sure as hell aren't going to put a 6 cylinder Turbo motor in the "s16" while the Z/G get a N/A motor. Its not that I don't have faith in Nissan its just it makes NO... N-O sense from the companies stand point. Your going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to develope a car for a niche market??? My last reasoning for them not creating the "s16" anytime soon is the economy. They just laid off 20,000 employees not 2 weeks ago, yet they need to please some fanboys online?

wrong wrong wrong wrong!!!!! oi...you kids

RWD variants of existing motors can easily be made...count on seeing the MR or HR series 4 cyl engine being used in the new S chassis (and just a bit of a history lesson...FWD with RWD variants or vice versa...SR20...CA18...KA24...VG30...oh wait...even the current day VQ35 has a FWD/RWD setup)

the chassis is going to be a modified FM platform...do you think the V35 and Z33 are exactly the same chassis??? how bout the Z33 and the Murano???? nope...but they are all built from a modified version of the FM chassis...why would nissan build a brand new RWD chassis instead of just making simple modifications????

and no...nissan didnt just lay off 20,000 workers...its GOING to be laying off 20,000 workers starting in april that will progressively happen thru the rest of the year

[SimpleS14]

and no...nissan didnt just lay off 20,000 workers...its GOING to be laying off 20,000 workers starting in april that will progressively happen thru the rest of the year

It's still bad :-/

[Sleepy240]

wrong wrong wrong wrong!!!!! oi...you kids
Lets not turn this into a pissing match... I lack the super secret Nissan "informant" to really argue with you

RWD variants of existing motors can easily be made...count on seeing the MR or HR series 4 cyl engine being used in the new S chassis (and just a bit of a history lesson...FWD with RWD variants or vice versa...SR20...CA18...KA24...VG30...oh wait...even the current day VQ35 has a FWD/RWD setup)

yes RWD variants can be made from just about any motor but does that make sense? not always. Your talking about taking a FWD 4 cylinder engine, converting it to a RWD setup and then adding a turbo and other various modifications. Its not just as simple as slappin on a turbo and calling it a day as I am sure you are well aware. There is a ton of R&D that would be required for these projects, again which I'm sure you understand also. If you expect to see a "s16" in 2010 or 2011 for that matter your pressing your luck.


the chassis is going to be a modified FM platform...do you think the V35 and Z33 are exactly the same chassis??? how bout the Z33 and the Murano???? nope...but they are all built from a modified version of the FM chassis...why would nissan build a brand new RWD chassis instead of just making simple modifications????

This is probably the only point where I DO agree with you. If a "s16" is going to happen its going to be on the Z platform IMO. So instead your going to shove a tiny motor (in comparison) to the VQ in the MR or HR into the chassis. I mean think about, Nissan could spend gobs of money to create your RWD 4 cylinder turbo motor or slap a VQ in there with a weird exterior and voila "s16". Besides the motor / chassis, my biggest problem is lately Nissan does some VERY odd things with the exterior of their cars which pretty much turn me off all together. If you want your "s16" to look like a hybrid of Z/G/Murano more power too you. So if the "s16" goes into production I see a N/A de-tuned VQ.


and no...nissan didnt just lay off 20,000 workers...its GOING to be laying off 20,000 workers starting in april that will progressively happen thru the rest of the year

I suppose I was misleading in my type before. The 20,000 workers are being laid off progressively. However IT is the MOST aggressive cut back from any Japanese automaker to date. That alone too me shows that very FEW companies right now is willing to take a gamble on a NEW vehicle. IIRC Nissan was down almost 4 or 5 billion $ off what they had planned.

[irax]

if switching a motor from FWD to RWD was such a task, then how come Hyundai did it seemingly effortlessly in the Genesis Coupe with the 4B11?

[Sleepy240]

if switching a motor from FWD to RWD was such a task, then how come Hyundai did it seemingly effortlessly in the Genesis Coupe with the 4B11?

To the best of my knowledge its the difficulty involved in making everything fit into your specific chassis. Most companies (not even the large automakers) I'm sure could configure a FWD motor to RWD. Now once you have to make a transmission mount on there and fit in the correct shifter location things become more difficult. And to answer you question the 4b11 is an engine devolped by Mitsubishi / Chrysler. So I would be willing to bet that Mitsu/Chry had SOME input into this. Nissan would be doing this all themselves. Again Its absolutely do-able, but does it really make sense? Probably not

[dorkidori_s13]

To the best of my knowledge its the difficulty involved in making everything fit into your specific chassis. Most companies (not even the large automakers) I'm sure could configure a FWD motor to RWD. Now once you have to make a transmission mount on there and fit in the correct shifter location things become more difficult. And to answer you question the 4b11 is an engine devolped by Mitsubishi / Chrysler. So I would be willing to bet that Mitsu/Chry had SOME input into this. Nissan would be doing this all themselves. Again Its absolutely do-able, but does it really make sense? Probably not

the 4B1x series of engines is produced by a subsidiary company formed by mitsu/chrysler/hyundai called GEMA as a generic base engine that the manufacturers specify what the final product will turn out to be for use in a variety of cars

yes RWD variants can be made from just about any motor but does that make sense? not always. Your talking about taking a FWD 4 cylinder engine, converting it to a RWD setup and then adding a turbo and other various modifications. Its not just as simple as slappin on a turbo and calling it a day as I am sure you are well aware. There is a ton of R&D that would be required for these projects, again which I'm sure you understand also. If you expect to see a "s16" in 2010 or 2011 for that matter your pressing your luck.

both renault and nissan have no problems producing turbo motors...im sure it would be cake walk for both of them to put a few modifications on the MR series engine (given they both developed it) for a bit of boost

you seem to be missing a key factor in all of this...both myself and other various sources have been informed (and i personally confirmed) that this car has been in development for a while...its not something nissan is gonna slap together over night...i was told that a motor has already been chosen but nissan of japan has not let the information slip yet to north america about which motor it is

[Sleepy240]

the 4B11 is being sub-contracted out to a company called world motors...mitsubishis only input on the engine really was the headwork that went into it as well as the turbo size

I was unaware of that fact, thanks for the info. I was under the impression that Mitsu/Chry made the 4B11!


both renault and nissan have no problems producing turbo motors...im sure it would be cake walk for both of them to put a few modifications on the MR series engine (given they both developed it) for a bit of boost

Absolutely I believe they would have no problem doing it, its a matter of whether or not its really worth the investment. No matter how "simple" it is, it IS not cheap. They is so much stupid R&D that has to go into it, between making the car safe to see the boost all day long etc blah blah blah.


you seem to be missing a key factor in all of this...both myself and other various sources have been informed (and i personally confirmed) that this car has been in development for a while...its not something nissan is gonna slap together over night...i was told that a motor has already been chosen but nissan of japan has not let the information slip yet to north america about which motor it is

No offense but your "inside source" does absolutely nothing for me. Lots of things are in development. Actually there are HUNDREDS of cars in development. The only problem is development means absolutely nothing in terms of reality of the project. Also what are the chances of the same motor being used in Japan/NA? My general consensus would be very slim considering the track record (not just with Nissan, japanese auto makers across the board are like this).

[Bushido]

-shortened FM chassis.
-small displacement VQ.
-no frills equipment.
-styling reminiscent of silvias past.
-fastback variant in the vein of 180sx.

this is the recipe for success.

[WILDACEX187]

i think if they make one it will be just a hatchback

[INeedNewTires]

some of you blow me away... You're bickering about 'Nissan' "being able" to make a motor turbo, or RWD. WHAT THE FUCK, do we not all own an engine that is turbo, that is incredibly well engineered, and that beats the pants off of alot of brand new designed engines with correct minor mods? You all act like nissan doesnt have any of the worlds best fucking engineers!!! thats what the fuck this car company is, its engineers.

It sounds like all you people pissing about the new S16 being a failure think you could design and manufacter the s16 way better than nissan but are you so stupid to remember that they are the ones who produced the S chassis in the first place? the 20 year old shit box that you love so dearly, thats still held together (yes with some work) longer than any other 'economy' car from the mid 90s that i can think of... The car that has one of the largest fan bases and biggest aftermarket support of any car. (next to civic) Nissan fucking INTRODUCED the RWD economy sport coupe to america. Without their excellence in design and engineering none of us would be where we are today, Zilvia wouldn't exist, drifting might not even exist.

Get over yourselfs you bunch of community college garage engineers that have your dealers licences... Have faith that nissan knows what their doing, they've made it this far.

[irax]

you forget to mention, we act like Nissan doesn't have the best super computers in the world to design, test, emulate, and calculate for best results.. while 90% of us are just fucking pencil racers! Nissan is on top of their game as far as production cars go.

[Sleepy240]

some of you blow me away... You're bickering about 'Nissan' "being able" to make a motor turbo, or RWD. WHAT THE FUCK, do we not all own an engine that is turbo, that is incredibly well engineered, and that beats the pants off of alot of brand new designed engines with correct minor mods? You all act like nissan doesnt have any of the worlds best fucking engineers!!! thats what the fuck this car company is, its engineers.

It sounds like all you people pissing about the new S16 being a failure think you could design and manufacter the s16 way better than nissan but are you so stupid to remember that they are the ones who produced the S chassis in the first place? the 20 year old shit box that you love so dearly, thats still held together (yes with some work) longer than any other 'economy' car from the mid 90s that i can think of... The car that has one of the largest fan bases and biggest aftermarket support of any car. (next to civic) Nissan fucking INTRODUCED the RWD economy sport coupe to america. Without their excellence in design and engineering none of us would be where we are today, Zilvia wouldn't exist, drifting might not even exist.

Get over yourselfs you bunch of community college garage engineers that have your dealers licences... Have faith that nissan knows what their doing, they've made it this far.

Appairently YOU have not been reading this thread very thouroughly. None of us doubt Nissans ability to come up with a turbo RWD motor. My gripe is THERE ISNT a turbo RWD motor right now. There are large amounts of cost that go into R&D and then eventual production. You have to look at it from a larger standpoint, the auto industry as a WHOLE is on the downturn. Does a company that is losing money (not in financial trouble yet) need to spend countless amounts of assets to a design a brand new car and motor?? Probably not. Not when you have a pretty solid fleet that is still selling relatively well. Especially not just to appease a niche market. Atleast you were right about one thing we are all community college garage engineers much like yourself. So I suggest you think before you speak.
Probably the best part of your entire post was...

Nissan fucking INTRODUCED the RWD economy sport coupe to america.

Because obviously there were no affordable RWD sport cars before the 240sx. And on top of that it only took 15 years before it became appreciated. The 240sx was certianly not the flagship that kept Nissan afloat.

[SimpleS14]

lol @ Sleepy240


Just because there isn't a RWD motor now, doesn't mean there won't be one in the future. Once the markets bounce back and Nissan has the capital for R&D...maybe...just maybe such a car (with such a powerplant) will come into play.


Also I see the 2.5L VQ going to an Infiniti variant, if such a vehicle came to existent.

[dorkidori_s13]

im done arguing with sleepy...its like talking to a wall on this subject

[s13dan]

Find me a car that you would pay list price for right now...
Other than the Z and that you can actually afford.


Nissan USA - Nissan Cars, Trucks, Crossovers, SUVs, Hybrid (http://www.nissanusa.com/)

[dorkidori_s13]

uh...none...im not a fan of the G37 and 370z is a little too tech filled for me (sorry...im just waiting 2-3 years now when that rev matching thing takes a dump in the Z tranny....cause we all know EXACTLY how reliable nissans trannys are when you start beating em up a bit...gear synchros ne one???)

only car i would buy from nissans line up in the last 9 years is the G35 coupe (well at least their AMERICAN line up)...and that is my main goal for the next year...to own a 2004 pearl white G35 coupe with brembos...ahhhhh...my dream car ;)

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Tomei analyzed the 4B11 (http://genesisdrift.net/index.php?showtopic=96) & told turbo magaine: "It was interesting to reveal after cross-referencing our data that we found many dimensions to be similar to the SR20 engine... Upon completing the reverse engineering process of the engine, we came to the conclusion that the overall design of the 4B11 is a sign of the times that follows a new trend of modern conventional engines we see today... With Tomei Powered's years of experience and extensive knowledge gained with the 4G63, SR20DET and EJ20 engines, we're confident to say that the 4B11 is definitely an engine that can be modified for increased performance."
http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/10074361/turp_0806_01_z%20tomei_4b11_technical_report%204b1 1.jpg (http://genesisdrift.net/index.php?showtopic=96)

Hyundai believes they have The Spiritual Successor to the Nissan 240SX
(http://genesisdrift.net/index.php?showtopic=95)
....1:40 into the video

[LongGrain]

^^^ neato

i have huge faith in the genesis

IMO nissan is too late... if they come out with a new rwd sports coupe it better look DAMN good and have a "low tech" turbo 4

not like i'm going to buy one. i'll be damned if i'm caught dead buying a brand new sports car. my 180 meets all of my needs in a sports/drift car. when i am ready to buy a new vehicle you better believe it will be something with some class as a DD OR a nice 4 door diesel truck to pull my car on a trailor. FUCK daily driving a sports car...

[RedStage]

Tomei analyzed the 4B11 (http://genesisdrift.net/index.php?showtopic=96) & told turbo magaine: "It was interesting to reveal after cross-referencing our data that we found many dimensions to be similar to the SR20 engine...

So...basically hyundai sucked so bad at designing a motor that they copied one of the best 4 bangers out there....sad.

[s13dan]

im liking the genesis coupe more and more.

[murda-c]

So...basically hyundai sucked so bad at designing a motor that they copied one of the best 4 bangers out there....sad.

I heard it was developed by mitsubishi and chrysler.

[irax]

So...basically hyundai sucked so bad at designing a motor that they copied one of the best 4 bangers out there....sad.

no, just because its similar in dimensions doesn't mean they copied it.

[exitspeed]

I finally voted. I seen the Gen Coupe in person on Sat and got to sit in it. It's a lot nicer then I was expecting. As soon as I get a job I'm going to plan to buy a Genesis. Now should Nissan blow me away with some crazy info before that time I'll hold off. But if not, a Gen Coupe seems to be in my future.

[SimpleS14]

I finally voted. I seen the Gen Coupe in person on Sat and got to sit in it. It's a lot nicer then I was expecting. As soon as I get a job I'm going to plan to buy a Genesis. Now should Nissan blow me away with some crazy info before that time I'll hold off. But if not, a Gen Coupe seems to be in my future.

Pretty striking comment coming from you.


Have you had a chance to drive the car?

[Sleepy240]

I finally voted. I seen the Gen Coupe in person on Sat and got to sit in it. It's a lot nicer then I was expecting. As soon as I get a job I'm going to plan to buy a Genesis. Now should Nissan blow me away with some crazy info before that time I'll hold off. But if not, a Gen Coupe seems to be in my future.

I sat in the Gen coupe and have pictures of it somewhere on my comp from the philly auto show. They were showing quite a few of them and frankly they were surprisingly nice inside, it wasnt too over the top with gadgets and what not. It had some cheesey chrome-like trim going on but overall I actually liked the interior. It was relatively roomy for its size also.

[dorkidori_s13]

So...basically hyundai sucked so bad at designing a motor that they copied one of the best 4 bangers out there....sad.

the 4B1x series of engines is produced by a subsidiary company formed by mitsu/chrysler/hyundai called GEMA as a generic base engine that the manufacturers specify what the final product will turn out to be for use in a variety of cars

i dont know where youre getting this "copied one of the best 4 bangers" thing from...theres only so many ways a 4 cylinder motor can be engineered and designed...the 4G63 is prolly the BEST 4 cylinder motor EVER built...it has been DYNO proven to make over 1000hp...not even the SR has been built to this number (i believe the highest numbers the SR has been able to output is in the 800-900 range)...and alot of the 4G63 and SR20 technology and design work has been looked at to make the 411B a stout and competitive motor

[Gnnr]

I'm going to quote what Daniel said in the Genesis thread

So I would like to retract all of my previous statements in this thread regarding the 4B11 engine in the Hyundai being the same as the 4B11t in the EvoX.

Mitsu, Hyundai and Chrysler all contributed to the engineering of the block for this new world engine, but each specific manufacturer is responsible for their own design of the head and internal components.

that'll teach me to open my mouth before reading all the facts again.

[drift freaq]

Excuse me but there is a lot of misinformation floating in this thread about Nissan.

First off they actually still do make a RWD 4 cylinder turbo engine. Yes they do! It comes in the Japanese market base model Xterra its a get ready SR20VET yup a variable Valve Timing SR20NEO with a turbo.

Now with that said I will add Dorki your wrong on the weight of the Z it tips the scales at just over 3150lbs not the 3400-3500 your claiming. Considering the car comes it two models the top of the line model tips the scales at just under 3300lbs! So get your figures right on the weight of the Z's before you go dissing them.

[Sleepy240]

First off they actually still do make a RWD 4 cylinder turbo engine. Yes they do! It comes in the Japanese market base model Xterra its a get ready SR20VET yup a variable Valve Timing SR20NEO with a turbo.

From the best of my understanding the SR20VET was only available in the first generation X-Trail which ended in 2007. Either way it would definitely make a viable candidate for the car. Good info either way

[irax]

the 4G63 is prolly the BEST 4 cylinder motor EVER built...

really? the first thing i got when i typed "crankwalk" on google images was this

http://www.datsunracing.com/other/humor/crankwalk2.jpg

second one was this

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/mnewell/dsmcrankwalk3bd_2.jpg

for being the 'probably the best 4 cylinder motor ever built' it seems to like to walk a lot.

Didn't that one guy on KA-T.org get his ka24det to 1000hp? or close enough whp that it would of been 1k crank hp?

look thats all neither here nor there i guess. but the fact remains that the 4B1* is based off the evo motor which is a fucking great engine.

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

and would have to agree the 4g63 is one of the shittiest motors aound that crank walks like no other

the 4B1x series of engines is produced by a subsidiary company formed by mitsu/chrysler/hyundai called GEMA as a generic base engine that the manufacturers specify what the final product will turn out to be for use in a variety of cars

i dont know where youre getting this "copied one of the best 4 bangers" thing from...theres only so many ways a 4 cylinder motor can be engineered and designed...the 4G63 is prolly the BEST 4 cylinder motor EVER built...it has been DYNO proven to make over 1000hp...not even the SR has been built to this number (i believe the highest numbers the SR has been able to output is in the 800-900 range)...and alot of the 4G63 and SR20 technology and design work has been looked at to make the 411B a stout and competitive motor
actually the sr has alot more than you give it credit that motor has ben built with 1500 hp from mazworx and def is one of the best

[drift freaq]

From the best of my understanding the SR20VET was only available in the first generation X-Trail which ended in 2007. Either way it would definitely make a viable candidate for the car. Good info either way

well my girl in Japan owns one(SR20VET Xterra) so this is where my information is coming from.

[pinkarrowsnow]

Also guys one of the dsm guys 4g63 stroker blocks come out of older hyndai's same engine as the 4g63 just taller cylinder walls. God and those hyndais are getting better and better. Accept that its a hyndai but you know somethings good about it just a few months after realese every big aftermarket parts manufacture are ripping them apart and developing stuff for them. Obviously a new nissan would be a hit if a hyndai is. How many of us can say a few years ago that in 2009 there would be a badass turbo rwd hyndai. Nobody would but the realitly is they made one and doing pretty good off of it even offering a base down stripped one to appeal to the tuning market. In 3-4 years most of us 240 owners will be out of college or whatever and like dan from PSM said. Asside from having a truck and a track car this car can be lots of fun on nice days and weekends especially for the price. Shit even if nissan did a few tweaks to the s15 it would sell here. What do you guys think they throw away everything from past R&D with the older 240's and 350's no not at all. What dorki is trying to say is it would sell to have a nice daily/fun car. Not everyone is looking to buy a car just to rip it apart and make a track only car you just purchased off the showroom floor. At the end of the day dailying a 240 with engine work and coilovers sucks dick. Its uncomfortable loud and can get you in trouble with smog and stuff in cali. I do belive if nissan made this car it would sell. Not only to people like us but women and older folks looking for a fun weekend car that wont break the bank. And if i can remember somehwere I belive 50 percent of s2000's sold are purchased by women. So you have to look at it not as if nissan is making a new 240 for zilvia members only.

[landins13]

4g63 bolts into a sonata... i need to see the new 240 before i do anything that and if the price is relative im just gonna buy a g37 or 370z instead

i saw the new genesis and i also saw that they want 33k for the 4 door and all i could think of is where does hyundai get off, did they smoke some super crack to think they arent still the armpit of the auto industry. any hyundai over 20k is rediculous.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

My preference would be a lighter car, like a newer S15 but that does not exist. It will probably be 2 years before you can buy one from the day we see a concept car and no one knows when that day will be.

I saw the gencoupe in person today. It is so much bigger than it looks in pictures. It may be styled like a sport compact, but this thing is really close to size and feel to a Supra...I had a good back to back comparo as I was bleeding the brakes in a supra today in the shop. The sedan, that thing is seriously massive, like a 7 series BMW.

The interior is great, it will be a good DD thats fun on mtn curves. How they get 30MPG from a 4 cylinder in a car the size of a supra is beyond me.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9995/img5451tr3.jpg (http://genesisdrift.net/index.php?showtopic=98)

[StalinDrift123]

i personally HATE!!! cars that are coming out soon. All bulky looking weird shape cars! i mean take a look at S13, S14 and defenatly S15!!! S15 has awesome looking body, it just attracts u without even having it hooked up and all. im tired of new concept cars that look like my half asleep foot had drawn it! Genesis looks crappy, with its weird looking head lights and that rear side windows with a half a circle look to it. makes me want to vomit!!! the new nissan 240SX could of been way better!!! why not make an S16 with some nice body look to it, make it balanced and throw in a new engine with a look and a feel of an SR20DET that is street legal here in the states??? its not like the S chassis had failed!!! its always been around, my cat drove an S chassis, my grand ma slided in a S chassis, my dad rolled in his, now i got one. SO DAMN IT NISSAN!!! DONT FAIL US!!! MAKE SOMETHING THAT WILL AMAZE US!!!

p.s. Nissan if you wont make an S16 in the near future, I WILL!

[dorkidori_s13]

oi...just oi

THE SR20DET IS NO LONGER LEGAL FOR PRODUCTION IN BRAND NEW VEHICLES!!!!!!!!!!

not sure why people cling so heavily to a motor that was engineered over 20 years ago...SR is a nice motor and all...but dood...20 years of engineering...think about it (take a look at the VQ series engine to give you an idea)

[Sleepy240]

THE SR20DET IS NO LONGER LEGAL FOR PRODUCTION IN BRAND NEW VEHICLES!!!!!!!!!!

This is one of the key reasons I was stating Nissan would need to develop a NEW engine for this chassis or give you a 6 cylinder which most people seem to be opposed too.

i personally HATE!!! cars that are coming out soon. All bulky looking weird shape cars! i mean take a look at S13, S14 and defenatly S15!!! S15 has awesome looking body, it just attracts u without even having it hooked up and all. im tired of new concept cars that look like my half asleep foot had drawn it! Genesis looks crappy, with its weird looking head lights and that rear side windows with a half a circle look to it. makes me want to vomit!!!

If thats the case I do feel bad for you. Most companies (including Nissan) aren't going to go BACK in time 15 years to give you another S13. The Gen Coupe is probably one of the sexier cars to come out recently. Just from sitting in it I could tell this is a car I could definitely see myself DD'ing if needed.

[VROOOM]

.



If thats the case I do feel bad for you. Most companies (including Nissan) aren't going to go BACK in time 15 years to give you another S13. The Gen Coupe is probably one of the sexier cars to come out recently. Just from sitting in it I could tell this is a car I could definitely see myself DD'ing if needed.


i just looked at a Car and Driver from 1996 and they had an S14 in it. the car cost 25k in 1996. think how much that car would be now. i think most people on this site wouldnt be able to afford a new S15 even if they did produce them. i bet a SR powered S15 would have been close to 30k

[DC Dan MAX USA]

$25000 in 1996 = $34000 in 2008 via CPI inflation
http://oregonstate.edu/cla/polisci/faculty-research/sahr/cv2008.pdf

[redline racer510]

What i want to see nissan come out with is something true to their heritage. Something like the r34,s15 where they seem to come with widebody kits from the factory yet at the same time seem subtle and not go over board. Nissan would also have to be able to design an engine (inline 4 turbo rwd) pushing at least 250whp and at the same time be super reliable, comfortable and have room for upgrades. Just put the same amount of R&D into the new s-chasis as you did with the awesome bnr34. The car must be priced in the sub $20k with a nismo version in the sub $25k.

[dorkidori_s13]

Something like the r34,s15 where they seem to come with widebody kits from the factory yet at the same time seem subtle and not go over board.

uve never taken a real good look at the fenders on a G35 coupe or 350z have yah???

negative offset fitment is easily obtainable with a simple roll of the fenders on those cars

[redline racer510]

well you can add those to the list lol

[TheXFlames]

[quote=dorkidori_s13;2632210]personally...i dont want something with a V6 in it...i want a 4 cyl, RWD, turbo car that is SMOG LEGAL!!!!!! (im sick of paying 100-200 a year to get my car "smogged" because nissan screwed us over with that CRAP KA24 POS because it didnt want to outperform its precious Z...sorry im jaded)


yeah man this is freaken true im super down with this...
i luckily only pay 110 cause of a hook up.

[270R]

Keep it simple... This is what we would like correct me if Im wrong...

It has to resemble an s chassis, it must not be a z chassis knck off like the altima and g35. rwd 4 cyl turbo 6 speed trans. no paddle crap/auto trans with manual shift, no bs extras like sync or voice command just a simple navi. cockpit like interior with a t-top variant. new engine must bolt up to current s-chassis j/k lol. would be cool though.. front end should at least resemble an s-15, and bring back the q's and k's none of this spec-r or type-r let honda keep its pride and glory red h cuz thats all there ever gonna have lol.. dont use cheap plastics, dont add extra windows that dont belong, keep the doors borderless, make the cluster with the speedo on the left and rpm on the right and when the car is off the rest position for the needle is 6 o clock. e brake stays at same location. bring back the jdm s14 front bumper look some how.

and for the love do not slap a vq variant in it!!!!! or make it look like a z the car is unique damnit.. the car has to have its own engine the sr is for silvias and the vq is for the z.. dont rip off and design from other cars unless its from a silvia cuz thats being lazy... let the original designers of the silvia make the the new one.

:snoop:

send that to nissan....

B.t.w. the concept pic is ""GARBAGE!!!!""

[dorkidori_s13]

id like to get this poll to AT LEAST 500-1000 votes

[slideways240]

I don't have an option in the poll.
I've had my S14 for 11 years, and I'm just not ready to replace it.

[95se]

All I have to say is make it reliable. Right now Honda and Toyota which are Nissans major competitors are still building more reliable cars. Thats been my actual experience.

[dorkidori_s13]

125 more votes would be awesome guys

[iwishiwas-all*]

.theres only so many ways a 4 cylinder motor can be engineered and designed...


you would be quite surprised...

[270R]

found a new pic ..

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/image_homepage_hero.jpg

If it looks like this then ill buy it...


although this one had me freaked

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2010_240sx-thumb.jpg

[azndan2]

the genesis looks sick,
but s15 still looks 2x better:ughd:

[Gnnr]

found a new pic ..

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/image_homepage_hero.jpg

If it looks like this then ill buy it...


although this one had me freaked

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2010_240sx-thumb.jpg

Both of those pictures are old and fake.

The first one is a photshopped G37 coupe

http://rsportscars.com/foto/11/g37coupe08_011600.jpg

We've been discussing this for a while now

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-2011-240-other-future-rwd-coupe-thread.html

[dorkidori_s13]

Both of those pictures are old and fake.

We've been discussing this for a while now

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-2011-240-other-future-rwd-coupe-thread.html

i <3 you :D

[surge s14]

to be honest i like all the older body styles everything now is big and round

if the s15 was re-released with minor changes... i bet it would sale

around 18k-26k

[dorkidori_s13]

to be honest i like all the older body styles everything now is big and round

if the s15 was re-released with minor changes... i bet it would sale

around 18k-26k


i dont understand why would u guys want a chassis design that was engineered in the 1980s??? (yes the S15 is nothing more than a modified s13/s14 chassis...it never actually changed chassis)

chassis engineering has come SO far in the last (almost) 30 years its insane

[240SXsaint]

im hoping this new "SX" will be on the same chassis build as the 350/g35 platform. that chassis has proven its worth but keep with the tradition and make it a 2.0L turbo. As long as the car can show signs of its past heritage ill be happy

[270R]

to be honest i like all the older body styles everything now is big and round

if the s15 was re-released with minor changes... i bet it would sale

around 18k-26k

:werd: I just hope it dosent look like some FUTURISTIC CUBE like the new sentra..

[exitspeed]

im hoping this new "SX" will be on the same chassis build as the 350/g35 platform. that chassis has proven its worth but keep with the tradition and make it a 2.0L turbo. As long as the car can show signs of its past heritage ill be happy

If you read through the RWD thread in OT Nissan has said that it's going to be based off of a shortened FM platform.

[josephin510]

...... Im gonna ride my 240sx till i die. Or should i say a 240sx till i die. i think nissan is gonna give a light rwd turbo sports car to all the cool countries...and give us americans a freakin truck motor again.

[dorkidori_s13]

...... Im gonna ride my 240sx till i die. Or should i say a 240sx till i die. i think nissan is gonna give a light rwd turbo sports car to all the cool countries...and give us americans a freakin truck motor again.

that wont happen again...case in point...the GTR

[dorkidori_s13]

only 107 more votes to go...w00t

[kalypso123]

The Spiritual Successor to the Nissan 240SX
(http://genesisdrift.net/index.php?showtopic=95)
....1:40 into the video

2:11 ^

"...for the tuners that are going to put wings on it."

- Miles Johnson.

[kalypso123]

this discussion is heated, We'll be fine

its obvious to nissan that they created a powerful legacy with the S chassis - considering that other manufacturers are openly copying its heritage.

[270R]

this discussion is heated, We'll be fine

its obvious to nissan that they created a powerful legacy with the S chassis - considering that other manufacturers are openly copying its heritage.

Hyundai genisis is crap... it does not have the low and sexy lines a 240sx has.. there just taking advantage of marketing a rwd 4 cyl T car when no one else is..... all nissan need to do is make slight mods to the s15 and BAMM hyundai genisis is in the toilet... if they choose to mod the s15...

plus more than likely the new 240sx's parts will be able to interchange with the 370z parts Hyundai has nothing on nissan...

[landins13]

let nissan do what they want, how many people on here are really going to rush out to buy the new 240 if one comes out. with the shape the economy is in, tuners are the only ones who are spending lots of money on their cars but the cars are 10-20 years old now. you see a lot more people rockin 90's 240s and not newer 350z's because despite the fact that the z is a great car and has a legacy and heritage too, people want the cheaper shit to go fast.

if you can have a 89 s13 with a sr in it and run 13's at the track why bother buying a z for 20k and have to mod it to get it into 13's

its all about cost effectiveness, and most tuners are cheap fucks. the new 240 will not be a great success for 15 more years. its just like the s13 more of them get bought sold and traded now that they ever did when they were new from the factory

[KasperSlide]

honestly if they pulled there sh!t together and release the s15 in the US they would fly off the lot like these damn genesis. no changes need to be done. hell the could put the NA sr20 version out ppl would eat them up. i know i would
if the could do
base model-16-18k
se model-20k
spec model- 25ish
come on that would be just fine

[cured13]

There is demand for car like 180sx for sure, more and more people are asking me if I want to sell mine. Last year it freaked me out I had to upgrade my alarm system. You would think that only broke teenagers are after car like this, well think again. I see more fathers and sons driving and customizing these cars. Sure this year I wont buy new car as I lost my job to but I'll get new job for sure and the car I'll be looking for will have to be much like my s13 - rwd, light, stripped down to necessities (no heavy/flashy stereos and all that optional crap) with firm upgraded suspension, brakes and sr20det like engine. I also want my new car to look more like widened/shortened s13. I would love to see Nissan make something that looks similar to Lotus Exige, Mazda Rx7 and 180sx.

[DeadlyZ33]

I'll be spending money/building my z33 for as long as the eye can see, I would really like to buy a cheap 240 or something to build on the side eventually. probably whenever im happy with my z. I don't plan on buying a new car for a long time considering there are so many cool cheap classics to choose from. Maybe when the "S16" is cheap used.

[Devil Man]

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/image_homepage_hero.jpg



wow send this pic to nissan dorkidori_s13 this is really a awesome rendering that would get me to buy one.

ps sry i had to post the pic in the quote but i kinda had too :bow:

[Nezahualcoyotl]

i dont like the genesis

i dont know about you guys but i hope Nissan dosn't kill the next SX or "S16" like, imo, dodge killed the charger, mercury cougar, chevy impala, toyota corolla, mitsu eclipse, etc.

[dorkidori_s13]

honestly...with the world economy...and nissans current marketing strategies...dont count on seeing the car for quite a while

nissan has been quoted saying that the 240sx replacement is too much of a "niche" market car (which in all honesty really disturbs me, especially in that 370z's arent exactly flying off the lot...i guess that $36,000+ price tag isnt the biggest mover of stock in our current economical situation)

one day it may happen...hyundai is puttin some heat on the burner with the genesis...toyota still has the "toybaru" in the works...and should toyota bring that car out...count on nissan gettin the boot in the butt it needs

right now...im sure a 200+hp, rwd, turbo sports coupe for under $24,000 doesnt sound bad to most people...especially to those who cant exactly afford another $12,000 on the price tag for 2 more cylinders

[cured13]

Hyunday make very smart move with Genesis Coupe R-Spec.
By giving enthusiasts cheaper leanner car to start with Hyunday is getting a lot of free publicity and by the time Nissan and Toyota release theirs, there will be a lot very hot and fast Hyundays flying around with huge aftermarket support.
Now is the time for teachers to learn something from theirs students.

[Leo-kun]

The S15 should be slighty redesigned, then released here as a 240sx.
Also have a rebulit SR20. Something like ZR20 sounds cool...

[roboticnissan]

my biggest request is for nissan not to load it down with useless electronics...KEEP IT SIMPLE...no heated seats...no manual shift assist...no bluetooth...no bajillion speakers...just an AFFORDABLE rwd, turbo sports coupe with LOTS of youth oriented, customizable options (ie: scion is a PERFECT example)



scion is the worst example something like the cr is a way better example obviously not the price but the idea yes....scion kids are lames and squares

[dorkidori_s13]

The S15 should be slighty redesigned, then released here as a 240sx.
Also have a rebulit SR20. Something like ZR20 sounds cool...

not going to happen...not in a million years...the S chassis is gone...FM chassis will be the next of kin

SR is a dinosaur compared to the VQ and MR series motors in both technology and design...seriously...why would you want a reworked motor that was engineered in the 1980s?

[dorkidori_s13]

scion is the worst example something like the cr is a way better example obviously not the price but the idea yes....scion kids are lames and squares


yah...but one thing you are completely missing...nissan has to sell the car to the general public...not 240sx elitests...i suggest you look at toyotas marketing strategy with the scion brand before you voice an opinion such as you did (im not bitching at you...its just a very ignorant and short sighted remark that was made)

the entire reason the scion line does so well is because...

A) theyre AFFORDABLE cars
B) theyre marketed to the YOUTH market
C) the amount of customization from the factory far outweighs anythign anyone else really offers
D) theyre marketed as a "fun" car...and they live up to that reputation for the AVERANGE person 100%

and dood...its all up to the bean counters...it doesnt matter how badass a car is...if the company cannot hit a major market with the car...then it wont go anywhere and it will be a loss...not a profit...so if nissan released a new SX model car that was what we all love (rwd, turbo, 4cyl) and offered a TON of customization parts for it from the factory...price it as its traditional "entry level coupe" around 20-23k...it would have its target market pegged and nissan would be ready to do battle the way it SHOULD be doing right now with scion and hynudai

EDIT: and who really cares about the "scion kids"...they are whats driving the market...its the same with the honda community...and the Z community...and the G community...etc etc

[Leo-kun]

EDIT: and who really cares about the "scion kids"...they are whats driving the market...its the same with the honda community...and the Z community...and the G community...etc etc

...and the S-chassis community.

[dorkidori_s13]

46 more votes and ill be sending this over to nissan

[ESmorz]

46 more votes and ill be sending this over to nissan

Where they will respond with " We fucking fail, and won't be able to deliver this car until an economic upswing" when instead of pushing the Z redesign and r&d they should have had a little bit of foresight, and introduced something along the lines of a 240 replacement first. Something relatively cheap (both to manufacture and price wise for the consumer), accessible, good looking, and fun.

[drift freaq]

Where they will respond with " We fucking fail, and won't be able to deliver this car until an economic upswing" when instead of pushing the Z redesign and r&d they should have had a little bit of foresight, and introduced something along the lines of a 240 replacement first. Something relatively cheap (both to manufacture and price wise for the consumer), accessible, good looking, and fun.

Actually the Z redesign was due. The 350 had runs its course. It had a 5 year run. Which outside of the 180sx run in Japan was pretty damn long for a Sports car without significant redesign.

The 370 is starting to pop all over the place now too. I have spotted 10 in the last two weeks rolling around. The only reason you did not see more sooner was because of how bad things have been the first 5 month of this year.
Its picking up now and is going to do quite well. Its what I feel the 350 should have been when it first came out. Not saying the 350 is bad, just the 370 is fucking dope.

Oh and for the idiot who talked about 350's being 20k. LOL what rock did you just crawl out from under. You can buy used 350's all day long in the 10-13k range. Plus if you look hard you can get them for under 10k. The only 350Z's going for 20k still are low mileage 2007-2008's. Any others at that price range the owner is smoking crack.

350Z is a major choice for up and coming sports car tuners now. Fuck who wants to pay over 20k For a Hyundai?
A car that looks like a combo of BMW, G35,350Z and weighs in at or slightly above the weight of a 350Z, and costs over 20k? Basically saddling you with car payments and a must for maximum coverage insurance.

You can buy a used 350Z the insurance won't cost as much because its a used car. There are lots of tuning parts for it. It will kick ass and with a turbo kit puts out around 500hp at low boost. Its a no brainer save money buy a Z call it a day.

Or you can hold your breath for the Next 240sx aka 250sx, or burn yourself with Genesis coupe.

Ah unless you're a sponsored shop. Do yourself a favor save lots of money and buy a Z fuck the Hyundai.

I would rather have a real Sports Car with heritage, than some Sport Compact wannabe.

[ESmorz]

Actually the Z redesign was due. The 350 had runs its course. It had a 5 year run. Which outside of the 180sx run in Japan was pretty damn long for a Sports car without significant redesign.

The 370 is starting to pop all over the place now too. I have spotted 10 in the last two weeks rolling around. The only reason you did not see more sooner was because of how bad things have been the first 5 month of this year.
Its picking up now and is going to do quite well. Its what I feel the 350 should have been when it first came out. Not saying the 350 is bad, just the 370 is fucking dope.

Oh and for the idiot who talked about 350's being 20k. LOL what rock did you just crawl out from under. You can buy used 350's all day long in the 10-13k range. Plus if you look hard you can get them for under 10k. The only 350Z's going for 20k still are low mileage 2007-2008's. Any others at that price range the owner is smoking crack.

350Z is a major choice for up and coming sports car tuners now. Fuck who wants to pay over 20k For a Hyundai?
A car that looks like a combo of BMW, G35,350Z and weighs in at or slightly above the weight of a 350Z, and costs over 20k? Basically saddling you with car payments and a must for maximum coverage insurance.

You can buy a used 350Z the insurance won't cost as much because its a used car. There are lots of tuning parts for it. It will kick ass and with a turbo kit puts out around 500hp at low boost. Its a no brainer save money buy a Z call it a day.

Or you can hold your breath for the Next 240sx aka 250sx, or burn yourself with Genesis coupe.

Ah unless you're a sponsored shop. Do yourself a favor save lots of money and buy a Z fuck the Hyundai.

I would rather have a real Sports Car with heritage, than some Sport Compact wannabe.

I was merely talking about preparing for the current economic clamp down. Having a car to compete in the ~$20k range would be far more beneficial right now than cars in the $35k+ range.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have put out the 370z, maybe they should have just waited a little bit.

[95Gstman]

I have given up all hope. If nissan does come out with a new 240sx or 240sx replacement, it will be too big and too heavy to compare to the fun that the original 240's are.

All car manufactures are headed in the same direction. Case and point the genisis. I mean if you look at the size and weight of cars of the past and present, the new civic is larger than the old accord. What car manufactures do not understand is that if you make a car larger and give it more power to compensate, you still loose alot of the "throw-ability" and fun factor that the car originally had.

I like cars like the 240, older mr2's, older miata's, even crx's. There is something about those cars that even though they are not that fast, they are a blast to drive. The new 240 will be too big and heavy to pay homage to the old 240. The only newer car that I can think of that has the same "feel" as import cars of the past is the s2000.

I guess I will just be driving around old cars for the rest of my life, because it is hard to get excited about the new cars that come out that are 4000lbs with 250 horsepower and are huge.

[drift freaq]

I have given up all hope. If nissan does come out with a new 240sx or 240sx replacement, it will be too big and too heavy to compare to the fun that the original 240's are.

All car manufactures are headed in the same direction. Case and point the genisis. I mean if you look at the size and weight of cars of the past and present, the new civic is larger than the old accord. What car manufactures do not understand is that if you make a car larger and give it more power to compensate, you still loose alot of the "throw-ability" and fun factor that the car originally had.

I like cars like the 240, older mr2's, older miata's, even crx's. There is something about those cars that even though they are not that fast, they are a blast to drive. The new 240 will be too big and heavy to pay homage to the old 240. The only newer car that I can think of that has the same "feel" as import cars of the past is the s2000.

I guess I will just be driving around old cars for the rest of my life, because it is hard to get excited about the new cars that come out that are 4000lbs with 250 horsepower and are huge.

Well actually what is happening with Nissan is they are getting so good at chassis and suspension design that even though the cars are what you deem to be heavy or heavier they handle like they are 600lbs lighter. Both the 370 and the GTR have been noted for this. The 350 was the same way as well though the 370 was a big improvement on it.

You have to realize something while you think a 240sx is light? Its weight was once considered very heavy. I came from Datsun 510's (2000lb cars) to early 240Z's which were 2350Lb cars. The later model 72 and 73 240Z's went up in weight to 2750lb and we considered them to be pigs. LOL 280Z's tipped the scales at close to 3000lbs .

240sx's while tipping the scales at 2750lbs actually stock for stock out handle a 240Z . Its just true and it would be shocking if it did not due to evolution of Nissan suspension.
Its the same for the newer ones as well. Though you think because they weigh more that they won't handle well that is just short sightedness of technological advancement of suspension.

Lots of other Sports car manufacturers have gone through this kind of weight evolution as well. Porsche for example actually did not start building decent handling 911's till the 90's and they were heavier than the originals.
Same with Ferrari, the newer cars are heavier but handle like you would not believe. Compared to the older ones.

[dorkidori_s13]

I have given up all hope. If nissan does come out with a new 240sx or 240sx replacement, it will be too big and too heavy to compare to the fun that the original 240's are.

again...this is coming from someone who sounds like theyve never driven an FM chassis car

go take a USED 350z out and throw it around like you would your 240...guess what...the FM chassis will outperform the S chassis in every way, shape and form

you guys are so hung up on a chassis that was engineered, designed and built in the 1980s...the oldest S13 is now officially 20 years old in america...do you guys realize how far chassis engineering has come in the last 20 years??? do you understand how inferior and antiquated the S chassis is compared to the FM chassis???

it just seems like a lot of you guys are so resiliant to change that you wont give any new car a chance just becuase it seems to "look" different or have more weight than you expect....little matter of fact here for yah...the 4 cyl genesis coupe is quickly becoming the 240sx replacement...why would people want to hunt down a beat up OLD car that they have to motor swap and completely rebuild when they can just go to their local dealership and buy a brand new, 4 cyl, turbo, rwd entry level sports coupe for $21,000 and have something they can immediately start having fun with in STOCK form???

i know for one that my current S13 is my last one for a LONG time...why??? because ive gotten older and i wouldnt want to build another one (ive been building them for 8 years now and im on my 4th chassis)...theyve become like the 86 corollas...RESTORATION PROJECTS...good luck finding a S13 or even S14 now that hasnt been molested and beat on by some kid...those days are LONG gone...now you can barely buy them without gutted interiors or beat up body panels...and im sorry...but you may think its cool to drive around in a busted ass 240sx...but i did that for too long...if i buy a car now, i want it to look nice and drive well the instant i buy it...not require a motor swap and 20 gallons of bondo plus a complete suspension rebuild

[95Gstman]

You guys are very correct. I have not driven a fm chassis. I totally agree with you guys about suspension and chassis technology coming a long way. I guess more than anything, I feel I will miss the compact proportions that cars of the old had. I thought the 350z while nice looking looked huge for a two door "compact" car. They fixed that with the 370z though in my opinion. I guess what I am really hoping for is that the designers do not water down the new model. If they make it with the same detail that they did with the 350 and 370 I will be excited to see it. I mean, how could nissan coming out with a cheap rwd "sports" car be a bad thing right?

[drift freaq]

You guys are very correct. I have not driven a fm chassis. I totally agree with you guys about suspension and chassis technology coming a long way. I guess more than anything, I feel I will miss the compact proportions that cars of the old had. I thought the 350z while nice looking looked huge for a two door "compact" car. They fixed that with the 370z though in my opinion. I guess what I am really hoping for is that the designers do not water down the new model. If they make it with the same detail that they did with the 350 and 370 I will be excited to see it. I mean, how could nissan coming out with a cheap rwd "sports" car be a bad thing right?

Only problem is, the new model you are dreaming or talking about it? Its been officially put on hold due to current economic conditions.

Nissan already has a slate of new products on the plate that just came out in the last 6 months which coincided with the economic downturn.

Like I said earlier in different words, don't hold your breath at this point. If you want to move on from a S chassis to something newer? Your best bet cost wise is a FM chassis aka 350Z/G35. Or if you have the money for a new car the 370Z.

I do not see the Hyundai as a totally viable option in the equation due to already stated opinions of my own.

[95Gstman]

At the current moment I am not in the market for something new or newer. (In college right now so that sucks up all money) So I guess that nissan putting there new car on hold is not such a bad thing for me. When I graduate college I will probably keep my 240 and get something along the lines of an e36 m3. At least that is the "plan". At that time I would be interested in what nissan is currently offering though. The more compact rwd cars that are out there to choose from the better. :squintd:

[s13newb]

fuk it ima sell my s13 .

[DRIFTER-M]

I have given up all hope. If nissan does come out with a new 240sx or 240sx replacement, it will be too big and too heavy to compare to the fun that the original 240's are.

All car manufactures are headed in the same direction. Case and point the genisis. I mean if you look at the size and weight of cars of the past and present, the new civic is larger than the old accord. What car manufactures do not understand is that if you make a car larger and give it more power to compensate, you still loose alot of the "throw-ability" and fun factor that the car originally had.

I like cars like the 240, older mr2's, older miata's, even crx's. There is something about those cars that even though they are not that fast, they are a blast to drive. The new 240 will be too big and heavy to pay homage to the old 240. The only newer car that I can think of that has the same "feel" as import cars of the past is the s2000.

I guess I will just be driving around old cars for the rest of my life, because it is hard to get excited about the new cars that come out that are 4000lbs with 250 horsepower and are huge.

Though I understand your point and see how you arrive to it from many of the new cars today, not all are that way.

The Sky and Solstice feel like go-karts. Already noted above, the 350z has good feeling to it. Lotus Elise also handles go-kartishly.

Hopefully if and when they do make this car a reality, they will keep it sporty in feel. I believe Nissan more capable of achieving this than most other car makers today.

I will gladly purchase one when they come out given I am ok financially. Though used cars are fun in their own light, I bought a 240sx because it is what I wanted. Had they still made them, I may have boughten one new. A new 240sx is still a 240sx minus the hassle of used cars.

Sounds great!

[Manuelitoohno]

nissan needs to make an s chassis car like a the tc


cheap (15 - 18K range maybe 20K max )

small for todays standards anyways

sporty

and hatchyyyyy




they should of had never made an altima coupe and shoulda waited a few years and just put all that research and dev money into the s chassis