Carb legal engine swaps in cali, what are they....

[nasadriver]

I basically need to start daily driving my 240sx and just don't want to risk losing my sr, so i need to figure out which motor swaps are street legal. once i buy a new car i may put the sr back in for track purposes, or maybe not, depending on what the swap is, and no, for me a ka isn't an option because i still want to make real power, and there are no carb legal turbo kits for a ka.

so i know alot of people have done lsx swaps, being ls1,2, maybe even ls6. i have always hated the idea of putting an american v8 in the 240sx, just seems wrong, but is this carb legal? if it is i might consider it.

as i have mentioned before, the vqswap.com people are down the street from me, is a vq35de swap street legal, smog and carb wise? this is the ideal swap for me, i would like to go vq35de and then supercharge it. stay true, nissan engine nissan car.

any other swaps? how about an american sr20de non turbo? are there carb turbo kits for that motor? or anything else anyone can think of. money isn't a huge issue, so i am just talking about for legal purposes. i can't even register my car right now because i lost my smog "hook up" spot,they got busted, anyone help me out there that would be the best temporary fix. just need to keep my current dd off the road during my lemon law suit, and need to not get fucked with by the :cops:.

my car looks really stock aside from the wheels and front and rear lips, and being lowered, but it looks very pedestrian, also the insanely loud bov, lol. any help is greatly appreciated, i have searched all through google and the answers are very hazy.

[Tenchuu]

search. this has been covered many times.

[georgesal]

i know it does not answer your question about carb legal swaps but best thing to do is get a true daily car and then have your project/weekend car

[unlegendary]

you have 84 posts, shouldn't you know your way around this forum by now? just that in itself fails.

if you want an interesting swap, get a vq35de or just build the ka24de and you'll still have a responsive motor with 180whp at most or whatever people may push bigger numbers but who cares? still fun.

LSX can be bar'd and so can a vq35de but honestly you should get a truck or something as a daily so you can trailor your car to the track. catch a heart attack son.

[nasadriver]

i know it does not answer your question about carb legal swaps but best thing to do is get a true daily car and then have your project/weekend car

i have a true daily driver, a mazdaspeed 3, but it's at the center of a lemon law case right now and i don't want to go over my warranty mileage, because if i lose i need to get the repairs done under warranty. so i need to dd something else until then and am not buying a 3rd car.

[krisdeezy]

uh yeah just search around. usually the motor has to be older or the same year of the car and has to be usdm spec..i could be wrong search ?

[nasadriver]

you have 84 posts, shouldn't you know your way around this forum by now? just that in itself fails.

if you want an interesting swap, get a vq35de or just build the ka24de and you'll still have a responsive motor with 180whp at most or whatever people may push bigger numbers but who cares? still fun.

LSX can be bar'd and so can a vq35de but honestly you should get a truck or something as a daily so you can trailor your car to the track. catch a heart attack son.

what the fuck are you talking about? i have searched, if that's what you are referncing, and the search tool is a pain in the ass. i went through a bunch of inromation with alot of conflicting answers. im not buying a truck when gas will be 5 dollars a gallon this summer, my family has a truck i use to tow my car with. i commute 100 miles a day, plus i hate driving trucks, like to have fun in my dd too. trucks are the most boring daily driving vehicles in existence.

[nasadriver]

uh yeah just search around. usually the motor has to be older or the same year of the car and has to be usdm spec..i could be wrong search ?


i did search, through about 100 different posts in several different forums using google and NO ONE had a definitive answers. god people are such tools with these search responses. we all know search tools suck on forums. ive spent three days on google and haven't gottena definant answer. the closest i got was that yes it is legal as long as you retain ALL emissions equipment that came with the new engine, including the original stock catalytic converter. but then someone posted right after saying that was incorrect.

people have also said the engine has to come from the same make and model,but can be a different year but must be newer.

others have said that it must be a newer engine that has better emissions test results.

NO ONE seems to know on google, i was hoping someone on here would know,but instead a bunch of asshats tell me to search. do people really think people don't search before posting still, this point, after we have all been using forums for 10 plus years now. of course i searched. im 26, not 16, but the searching didn't help. thats why i have such few posts and have been here for such a short time because i only ask questions about things i am not certain about.

so, what swaps are carb legal, if you dont know, dont answer, please. thank you.

[blownmotor]

LS1 with full obd2 functions and emissions.

[nasadriver]

double post.

[nasadriver]

sorry i just need to be sure, any links to something that show this is legal?

i called the guys at san dimas auto and they said the vq swap is, but i hear they have bad customer service and to tell you the truth the owner is an asshole in my experience. every time i try to set up a dyno session with him he just acts like a prick that could care less. i've heard alot of other bad things online, so i don't really trust what he says.

[StalinDrift123]

man ppl are suck pricks now a days!!! all want to be smart asses, instead of helping out and getting the conversation over with and done. They just sit and bitch at every little thing they can. Just to let all pricks know, YOU are wasting your time by posting negative comments!!! dumbshits!

Nasadriver....i have the same problem and ppl told me the same shit! What i'll be doing is getting a KA24DE block and taking it completely apart, then send the block to the restoration shop and then start putting new and better parts back into the motor. update all the new internals and hope to make 200hp, i know its not much, but with 200hp and lsd u can have a dd as well as a weekend warrior. so take that into consideration too. feel free to ask any questions.... good luck.

[Fonix36]

any swap on a car that is not the same as the factory motor is not legal in cali. (unless the car is so old the smog isnt necessary.) also just dont drive like a fucking honda head and you should be fine on the streets. how hard is it to avoid getting pulled over dont speed dont run lights and so on.

[miracosta]

sr20det ROFL

[nasadriver]

sr20det ROFL


huh?


thanks for the posts guys, that sucks about the swaps not being legal, flat out.

i won't get pulled over for anything like speeding, but if you live in l.a., especially my little town, the cops are very knowledgable and will pull you over for anything if you are in a 240sx, so not breaking the law means nothing, they will find a reason, i am even gettiang my hks hi power replaced with something much smaller and quieter tomorrow to help this whole not getting pulled over thing.

anyone else has knowledge on the swaps it would be appreciated.

[tt99ol]

i commute 100 miles a day, plus i hate driving trucks, like to have fun in my dd too. trucks are the most boring daily driving vehicles in existence.

i know right
especially for lightnings
theyre slow and cant turn well
give me a break
try searching on the carb website its all right there
here i'll spoon feed you sweet cheeks
Background Material: Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)
look on that page

[fliprayzin240sx]

Honestly, your best bet is to look into the DMV webpage and read up on the info. Everybody got their own damn interpretations of the rules. I know there was a guy in here who used to work as a smog referee. He was trying to find ways to BAR an SR20DET.

Anyways, from what I remembered from the whole discussion is that you can swap over any engine from any car you want. It has to be same year or newer than the chassis, also, whatever year the engine you swap in, you have install all the OE parts and all emission related parts.

[sideways_s14]

cops don't look for motors, they look for mods, been driving with an sr20det almost a year now, got pulled over twice, one for tags (which I got handled) the other after the club because of my tinted windows (bs reason, was really trying to check my breath), neither resulting in them asking me to pop the hood. as long as your exhaust isn't screamin' loud, or, if they do ask you to pop the hood, ur motor doesn't have supa tyte chromed out piping or a topmount turbo set-up, you're fine... like previously said, don't do anything on the street that would give them a reason to pull you over, believe it or not cops do have better things to do...

[nasadriver]

i know right
especially for lightnings
theyre slow and cant turn well
give me a break
try searching on the carb website its all right there
here i'll spoon feed you sweet cheeks
Background Material: Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)
look on that page

i would rather get a fast car than a fast truck, lightnings aren't very stable for towing and is generall just a bad choice to use for towing, gets terrible mileage while towing.

i used to drive a high output 4.7 liter grand cherokee, great car, just not me. the lightning is the only truck that can do what it does, but it has terrible build quality aside from the engine, about the numbest steering feel out there and they are old now. lightning is a pretty stupid vehicle, if you want that motor get a terminator cobra, does everything better. if you want to tow, get an extended cab chevy, if you own a lightning and tow with it you know that it's very unstable as a tow vehicle.

i have a ton of experience towing, my ex-fiance had horses and i have towed 10,000 pound trailers, the lightning is just a flat stupid recommendation for towing, and a stupid vehicle for performance to recommend, it does neither extremly well.

[nasadriver]

cops don't look for motors, they look for mods, been driving with an sr20det almost a year now, got pulled over twice, one for tags (which I got handled) the other after the club because of my tinted windows (bs reason, was really trying to check my breath), neither resulting in them asking me to pop the hood. as long as your exhaust isn't screamin' loud, or, if they do ask you to pop the hood, ur motor doesn't have supa tyte chromed out piping or a topmount turbo set-up, you're fine... like previously said, don't do anything on the street that would give them a reason to pull you over, believe it or not cops do have better things to do...


they don't where i live. my friend was told to pop his hood in a prelude that is slow as shit because he had a tach. my city is about the strictest city there is for things like swaps and mods because there are two race tracks right near me, everyone is into racing here. the cops carry a booklet with pictures of commonly swapped engines, including the sr and most honda motors. i am not making the things i say up here, i ask questions when i know they are applicable to my life. if the cops here were laid back obviously i wouldn't be worried. i can't believe there is such a huge collection of people that have nothing of substance to say in one thread. im not asking for comments about me or my choices, just about carb information.

[S14DB]

i know right
especially for lightnings
theyre slow and cant turn well
give me a break
try searching on the carb website its all right there
here i'll spoon feed you sweet cheeks
Background Material: Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)
look on that page

SO,

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

[DataXUnknown]

Just suck it up and roll with the SR20, my god people are such babies nowdays. If you drive normal, you won't have any chance of getting pulled over. If you have an exhaust, throw a silencer on it, or just run the stock exhaust. I've seen many people been driving for years with SR's and never got reffed or popped because they are not dumbass drivers.

[sideways_s14]

so, to give you something of substance... no the car will not pass inspection by a ref, period. it can't be carbed because its a motor that, techincally, doesn't belong into a US-spec 240. It can, however, pass smog (both dyno and sniffer) if you're catted and have the stock 240sx exhaust system.

[9s13Coupe3SX]

Any nissan make engine in the (states) thats newer or same yr can be swap over into your nissan. As long you carry over every feature that engine you pull from that car and put it into your car that it doesn't already have, your gold. Example; if that nissans engine has different fuel system than your system, your need to carry over that part and put it into your car. You can't by pass the system by putting an aftermarket fuel system, its has to be *OEM*. Only a Nissan engine can be put into a nissan and be legally BAR! If you put a ls1,2 or 6 and what not american muscle into a nissan or any import car, IT CAN NOT BE BAR LEGALLY!

Trust, I been swaping and BAR'n jdm and usdm engines for honda chassis and pretty much been thru the whole system like over 20+ times. Same rules applys to any make model vehicles, as long its same manufacture you can swap a newer engine than your recently vehicle if its from the same manufacture.

More detail - if that engine is from a truck and not a passenger car of that same manufacture, it can not be swap over - same rule applys if you were to swap a passenger engine into a truck.

Sr20det - THEY CAN NOT BE SWAP & BAR LEGALLY - reason is because that engine does not exist in the states and there are no smog system logged in the smog scat system

Final thoughts - key points - If that engine does not exist in the states or come factory in the US market, forget it!

[BlckBeautyVTEC]

Stock KA is the best, for reals wont get ref'd enough power to drift, and wont blow up

[DreamN]

SO,

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

So far the only person that has posted correct information. OP, be sure to read this quoted post and you'll be fine.

Another person to contact is Blu808 as he has done CARB legal LSX swaps into the S-Chassis with no issues.

[soreballz]

Oh, joy, another thread full of misinformed idiots that shouldn't be posting. :rolleyes:


uh yeah just search around. usually the motor has to be older or the same year of the car and has to be usdm spec..i could be wrong search ?
That is wrong, and you're stupid. Please stop posting if you know nothing about the topic.

any swap on a car that is not the same as the factory motor is not legal in cali.
That is wrong, and you're stupid. Please stop posting if you know nothing about the topic.

Only a Nissan engine can be put into a nissan and be legally BAR! If you put a ls1,2 or 6 and what not american muscle into a nissan or any import car, IT CAN NOT BE BAR LEGALLY!
That is wrong, and you're stupid. Please stop posting if you know nothing about the topic.


SO,

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.
This is correct. THANK YOU.

+100 imaginary rep points for you.


Let's set up and example. Say you drive an '89 S13. Any US-spec motor from ANY make of car made in 1989 or newer will be legal to swap in as long as its in the same vehicle catergory (car, truck, whatever), and you have to have all of the OEM smog equiptment from the newer engine in the proper spot. So, an LS1 is perfectly legal, despite coming from an F-body/Corvette, as long as you run CARB approved headers with the cats in the OE position, and whatever emissions came with that motor.

So, what motors can be BAR'd? Let's see, LS1/2/3/6/7/9, VQ35/37, whatever V8 came in the Q45, 2JZGTE, the Renesis rotary (good luck lol), F20/22C, VG30DE/TT, etc etc etc. The list could go on for a long ass time.



On the topic of being able to BAR an SR... You CAN get an SR20DE (non turbo) BAR approved. Now, if there happens to be a CARB legal turbo kit for the B13 Sentra on the market (I really don't know if there is or not), then in theory, you can have a CARB-legal SR20DE-T. Hmmmm... Just a thought.

[rawr0range]

Engine Change Guidelines (http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/07_AutoRepair/Engine_Change_Guidelines.html)

JTR Chevrolet S-10 Truck . California Smog Laws (http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Chevrolet_S-10_V-8_Smog.html)

some good info i found while trying to build my setup (ls2 into s14)

GL with whatever you decide to go with

[nasadriver]

Oh, joy, another thread full of misinformed idiots that shouldn't be posting. :rolleyes:



That is wrong, and you're stupid. Please stop posting if you know nothing about the topic.


That is wrong, and you're stupid. Please stop posting if you know nothing about the topic.


That is wrong, and you're stupid. Please stop posting if you know nothing about the topic.



This is correct. THANK YOU.

+100 imaginary rep points for you.


Let's set up and example. Say you drive an '89 S13. Any US-spec motor from ANY make of car made in 1989 or newer will be legal to swap in as long as its in the same vehicle catergory (car, truck, whatever), and you have to have all of the OEM smog equiptment from the newer engine in the proper spot. So, an LS1 is perfectly legal, despite coming from an F-body/Corvette, as long as you run CARB approved headers with the cats in the OE position, and whatever emissions came with that motor.

So, what motors can be BAR'd? Let's see, LS1/2/3/6/7/9, VQ35/37, whatever V8 came in the Q45, 2JZGTE, the Renesis rotary (good luck lol), F20/22C, VG30DE/TT, etc etc etc. The list could go on for a long ass time.



On the topic of being able to BAR an SR... You CAN get an SR20DE (non turbo) BAR approved. Now, if there happens to be a CARB legal turbo kit for the B13 Sentra on the market (I really don't know if there is or not), then in theory, you can have a CARB-legal SR20DE-T. Hmmmm... Just a thought.


see what it means to actually know what you are talking about when you post guys? instead to telling somone to buy a truck when they specifically stated they will be getting a new dd soon (probably going to wait a year to buy the genesis coupe when it hits the used market, the turbo versison with the mb411 evo x engine, unless nissan releases something rwd and tubro before 2011, also gonna buy a used honda f4i, need to start driving the carpool lane). thank you to the recent posters who have given useful information.

also, the sr20de non turbo with a carb turbo kit was something i mentioned in this thread, i think that's a great idea on both our parts, something that hasn't been discussed enough and needs to be investigated. i think even built sr20de without turbo can make over 200whp, they have a huge aftermarket of cams and stroker kits, although doing that swap would make it impossible for me to compete, and ultimately win at nasa as they engine swap class is insane to begin with and i will be lucky to finish in the top half, but definately plan on doing it with my very meticulously and completely road course destroying built s13, which will be doing time attack as well this year.

thank you guys that helped, idiots that told me to search AND THEN POSTED INCORRECT INFORMATION, keep your useless posts to yourselves, i hope you feel stupid now for posting on a topic you know nothing about while being a smart ass, only on the internet can you pretend like you aren't an idiot right now, but you had to have known you would be owned when there are thousands of members on this site who do know what they are talking about. To the smart dudes who helped, your knowledge continues to blow me away.

[soreballz]

Also, the sr20de non turbo with a carb turbo kit was something i mentioned in this thread, i think that's a great idea on both our parts, something that hasn't been discussed enough and needs to be investigated.
So I've been doing some light searching on the issue, and I can't seem to find any CARB-legal turbo kits for the B13.
Though, if you don't mind being a bit shady, you could BAR the SR20DE stock, then put together a turbo kit for it, and use a CARB sticker and stamp from another car's turbo kit. :p

EDIT: Oh hey, I think HKS may make one... Check this out:
http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-186-23.pdf
"1991 through 1999 Nissan and Infiniti passenger cars equipped with a 2.0L engine "
It doesn't specify which model or engine, but given that its says 2 liter made from 91 to 99, I'd guess they're referring to the SR20DE.

Now, here's my idea. Don't take any of this as 100% truth, as I just started playing with this idea a few days ago, have done very little research, and am going on foggy memories of Nissan stuffs...
Okay, so IIRC, FWD variants of the SR20 can't be used in RWD applications. I THINK this has something to do with the way the block bolts onto the trans, and only a FWD bellhousing fits it or some shit. But anywho, that doesn't matter. In theory, you should be able to take a RWD SR20DE from, say, a J-spec base model Silvia/180SX, and retrofit all the US FWD SR smog stuff to it, unless the RWD SR20DE have an EGR and whatnot... I really don't know. So basically, J-spec RWD SR20DE + US-spec FWD SR20DE emissions controls/ECU + CARB-approved HKS turbo kit = CARB-legal SR20DET.

Is that idea realistic and feasible? Shit, I have no idea. Perhaps so, perhaps not. I should probably put some more effort into looking into it. Hell, it probably won't work. I mean, I can't possibly be the first person to ever put this much thought into this. I'm sure someone else has, and found out that it just can't be done, and that's why it isn't common knowledge... Or perhaps I'm just a fucking pioneer of sorts. I don't know.


Shit. I need sleep. I'm running on fumes here.

[Om1kron]

ask brian at ma-motorsports about the ve swap... nice website I came up on was this blog which I cannot find anymore but I visited frequently of a japanese racer dude building an s15 using the ve engine.

[trsilvias13]

To tell you the truth, stick with the KA.

Have anyone here ever went to the ref to bar any motor for the 240sx in cali? I don't think any has yet. I have yet to see proof of anyone (showing a sticker) showing another motor being bar in a 240sx in cali beside probably a KA replacement.

There are few ppl that claim they can do it, but have yet hear anyone or anybody showing proof.

[racepar1]

SO,

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

Evereyone read this ^^^ and shut the fuck up. All of you saying that no engine swap can be carb legal has your head firmly planted up your ass. Both the vq35 and the ls1 can be done carb legally and fall into the guidelines outlined above.

[racepar1]

To tell you the truth, stick with the KA.

Have anyone here ever went to the ref to bar any motor for the 240sx in cali? I don't think any has yet. I have yet to see proof of anyone (showing a sticker) showing another motor being bar in a 240sx in cali beside probably a KA replacement.

There are few ppl that claim they can do it, but have yet hear anyone or anybody showing proof.

That's because nobody has done it YET. There are a few different guys that are currently working on a carb legal vq35 swap, of which I am one. There have been conversations with actual smog referees as to what can and cannot be done. This is not smoke and mirrors, there is REAL research behind it. Anybody who wants a carb legal swap cannot expect it to be a quick and easy process, that is just common sense.

[fckillerbee]

To tell you the truth, stick with the KA.

Have anyone here ever went to the ref to bar any motor for the 240sx in cali? I don't think any has yet. I have yet to see proof of anyone (showing a sticker) showing another motor being bar in a 240sx in cali beside probably a KA replacement.

There are few ppl that claim they can do it, but have yet hear anyone or anybody showing proof.

jump off a bridge. he said he doesnt want a KA! what forum are you reading that it says he's going KA. And people. if you don't know information don't post. dont even post a "I THINK". cause all you do is confuse people like myself who are interested in a BAR approved vehicle. It has been done! I don't know of a 240 that was swapped, but my parents own a body shop where they swapped a newer motor into the same chassis car, and yes...it was approved. Thankyou to whomever did the ultimate research and found exactly what DMV approves for a swapped vehicle.

And the idiot that says cops dont bother you if you drive normal...I drive a fucking KA with exhaust and a kit. I have been pulled over twice this month, popped my hood to find nothing! Cops are looking, you are just lucky and dumb.

Go LSx!!!!! and then video tape the dumb cop that pops your hood to find a fucking vette motor! and watch him shit himself when it is BAR approved! god I would love to see that!:wackit:

[fliprayzin240sx]

That's because nobody has done it YET. There are a few different guys that are currently working on a carb legal vq35 swap, of which I am one. There have been conversations with actual smog referees as to what can and cannot be done. This is not smoke and mirrors, there is REAL research behind it. Anybody who wants a carb legal swap cannot expect it to be a quick and easy process, that is just common sense.

I got one question, when you swap in an OBD-II engine into an OBD-I chassis, you have to transfer over everything OBD-II smog related parts right? THat would include the OBD-II consult ports, charcoal canisters and the works...how much of a fucking pain in the ass is that gonna be?!?! I hate electrical shit and the consult port seems like a daunting task for me...

[g6civcx]

when you swap in an OBD-II engine into an OBD-I chassis, you have to transfer over everything OBD-II smog related parts right?

The drivetrain has to be an "approved" configuration. If your engine is certified as OBD-II, you have to keep everything OBD-II, unless you can find a version of the engine that was OBD-I. Then you can swap in everything from the OBD-I drivetrain, assuming it's same year or newer than your shell.

The rule of thumb is that the entire drivetrain, including all emissions components, must be exactly the same as from another passenger car for an S-chassis. Think of it like putting an S body onto the donor car. All the mechanical parts must be the same.

Anything that is different (e.g. K&N filter, headers, etc.) has to go through the exemption process = somebody paid $$$ somewhere.


Question for the Cali gurus. Is there any part of the Cali emissions program that contradict the EPA? I'm not asking which parts in Cali are stricter; we already know.

What part of Cali emissions do you feel violate some federal standard?

[racepar1]

I got one question, when you swap in an OBD-II engine into an OBD-I chassis, you have to transfer over everything OBD-II smog related parts right? THat would include the OBD-II consult ports, charcoal canisters and the works...how much of a fucking pain in the ass is that gonna be?!?! I hate electrical shit and the consult port seems like a daunting task for me...

Why is that so hard? All you need to keep is the OBD2 scan port, the OBD2 OE cats, the charcoal canister, and all the sensors and whatnot that you will need for the engine to run anyways. The charcoal canister is easy. Just mount it wherever you can and hook up the hose coming off your fuel tank. You may have to shorten or lengthen some wires, but that is it. Wiring the scan port really isn't very hard as long as you have the proper wiring diagrams. You *should* be able to just have the scan port hanging off the ecu. No underdash wiring.

[Om1kron]

lol the ka24de isn't even smog legal, and if it is I bet you if it has over 150k on it that shit cant pass smog lol.

THE BIG HUGE LOL's MEAN I'M FUCKING JOKING, PLEASE DONT BE AS RETARDED OR SINGLE LAYERED AS RACEPAR1.

We honestly cannot have anymore smart dumb people flooding the community.

[WISH ONE]

I know its not a 240sx, but this guy on craigslist about 6 months back was selling a Fox Body Mustang 302 swapped 1988 toyota pickup that was fully BAR legal and had the The Plaque and everything, it was the most jankiest looking swap i had ever seen, but everything worked tach, Odo, all emissions equipment etc... it smogged just like a mustang. I have also heard alot of FC guys do the same 302 swap BAR legal.

[racepar1]

lol the ka24de isn't even smog legal, and if it is I bet you if it has over 150k on it that shit cant pass smog lol.

Why exactly is a sohc-dohc swap not legal? My kade has over 180k on it and it still passes smog. The sohc to dohc swap is totally legal. The only thing you might have to do if you wanna bother getting it bar'd is to make the scan port work. That is just a maybe though as it is NOT OBD2. Good job spreading misinformation.

[fckillerbee]

<----passed smog at 230k...which means I'm almost at the quarter million mark! Car still runs strong...still drift that bitch..regular maintainence is amazing if it's done correctly.

[xsparc]

The drivetrain has to be an "approved" configuration. If your engine is certified as OBD-II, you have to keep everything OBD-II, unless you can find a version of the engine that was OBD-I. Then you can swap in everything from the OBD-I drivetrain, assuming it's same year or newer than your shell.

The rule of thumb is that the entire drivetrain, including all emissions components, must be exactly the same as from another passenger car for an S-chassis. Think of it like putting an S body onto the donor car. All the mechanical parts must be the same.

Anything that is different (e.g. K&N filter, headers, etc.) has to go through the exemption process = somebody paid $$$ somewhere.


Question for the Cali gurus. Is there any part of the Cali emissions program that contradict the EPA? I'm not asking which parts in Cali are stricter; we already know.

What part of Cali emissions do you feel violate some federal standard?

The only thing i can think of that might contradict the EPA is the part about "if a part is not OE then you fail or must have a CARB sticker".

BTW you CAN get any part you want to have a CARB sticker, you just need to fill out the paper work, give them one to test and a car to test it on, give a third party another one and another car to test and about $10k, then the CARB will issue you a EO number.

[Om1kron]

Why exactly is a sohc-dohc swap not legal? My kade has over 180k on it and it still passes smog. The sohc to dohc swap is totally legal. The only thing you might have to do if you wanna bother getting it bar'd is to make the scan port work. That is just a maybe though as it is NOT OBD2. Good job spreading misinformation.

god with all of those brains one would think you would intercept sarcasm a bit better, put the monkey wrench and mail order bride catalog down and get some air for once mcguyver.

[fckillerbee]

god with all of those brains one would think you would intercept sarcasm a bit better, put the monkey wrench and mail order bride catalog down and get some air for once mcguyver.

oh fuck! i just laughed out loud at work!!!!

[soreballz]

Question for the Cali gurus. Is there any part of the Cali emissions program that contradict the EPA? I'm not asking which parts in Cali are stricter; we already know.

Nope. The EPA pretty much considers California emissions standards to be the benchmark. Anything that will pass legally in California will pass legally in every other state.


From another site:
"The EPA recognizes California smog laws as being applicable across the nation. That is, if it is legal in California, then according to the EPA, it is legal in all other states. While some states do not yet necessarily agree with this, it is likely that most states will come around to the California way. Other states with pollution problems will likely be adopting the California smog laws because there has been a tremendous amount of time and money invested in making the California smog laws reasonable, consistent, and effective for pollution reduction. It is far cheaper for other state governments to adopt the California laws rather than come up with their own laws. When the smog laws are consistent across the nation, there will be far less confusion for all involved."

[xsparc]

Im all about having low emissions and not polluting and such, but the non OE part is crap, just a way to make money, which is ironic because the state is broke.

[racepar1]

god with all of those brains one would think you would intercept sarcasm a bit better, put the monkey wrench and mail order bride catalog down and get some air for once mcguyver.

Sarcasm does not come across in print very well. Dan Niel tried to use sarcasm in one of his articles and he just came across looking like a douche. Same thing happened to you. I have found that yoiu have to be absolutely clear when you are being sarcastic. I have been taken seriously when I am not many times before. Relax, the world is not going to end. It will all be OK.

[takk808]

the sr20de non turbo in the sentra is mounted sideways and is a front wheel drive motor...would i just bolt in a sr20det trans with this? that would actually be pretty bad ass considering YES!! COPS IN LA ARE FUCKIN DICKS, they do have books of motors and they will pop ur hood. so if i could bar a sr20 and turbo the bitch i would love to do that

[handinpants]

go down to your local referee station or chp and ask them.

[S14DB]

the sr20de non turbo in the sentra is mounted sideways and is a front wheel drive motor...would i just bolt in a sr20det trans with this? that would actually be pretty bad ass considering YES!! COPS IN LA ARE FUCKIN DICKS, they do have books of motors and they will pop ur hood. so if i could bar a sr20 and turbo the bitch i would love to do that

You would have to transfer over the sentra's ECU and Emissions equipment. Then not throw any codes and pass smog.

Once you turbo it you wouldn't be smog legal again. So, why bother?

[poziden]

btw, ls1's cannot be made legal b/c the stock exhaust manifolds run straight into the steering rack. if you find some carb approved headers (see arb.ca.gov) that clear the steering rack, you would be ok. no one has found any yet.

vq35 can pass. manifolds need to be dimpled, but is possible to fit. the only thing that needs to be done is the wiring as 350z's have very complex wiring. you need to have alot of the 350z factory electrical functions working. good news is that irax has started a thread on this forum and apparently he and bardabe are pretty close to getting the electrical part done.

[WISH ONE]

nats????^^^

[poziden]

si, and others i believe ^^^

[drift freaq]

You would have to transfer over the sentra's ECU and Emissions equipment. Then not throw any codes and pass smog.

Once you turbo it you wouldn't be smog legal again. So, why bother?

Ah no you absolutely cannot run the Sentra SER SR20DE period. Why? The Sr20 was never offered in the U.S. in a RWD configuration.

The Requirements for a legal swap for our cars are like others have said

1. Same year or newer engine.
2. Said engine was sold in a production Vehicle in the U.S.
3. All smog equipment from that engine is transferred over.

And
4. Said engine has to have been offered for sale in the U.S. in a RWD configuration,because our cars are RWD.
(something that never happened with the Sr20)

The reason Irax can even go down the road of using the Maxima VQ is because the VQ engine while not exactly the same was also sold in 350Z and G35.

Oh and it does not mean he might run into trouble with a sharp eyed referee. A Referee could technically still disqualify his swap if he should whim to.

Fact is Referee's are the law unto themselves. They have been given the power to make or brake a legal swap. I have heard of referee's disqualifying otherwise legal swaps in Jeeps for some of the smallest stupidest reasons. So until its been done officially we are not of the woods people.

Personally I would not waste my time with a FWD VQ because they are

1. rated at a lower HP rating.
2. Even though the Maxima engines are cheap. They need parts from a 350 engine to make them RWD which costs another $500-1k
3. For the same amount of money you would spend making a Maxima engine work you would still be under the HP of the 350Z stock and having to do more mods to increase the HP.
4. because of above in my opinion you are better off running a 350 engine.

Now with all of that said, I am indeed working on a smog legal VQ HR .

A lot of you are saying why the HR isn't it more expensive? You can get HR's complete these days for $2500 a motorset.
A HR is 80% different than a stock VQ35DE in fact its so much a superior engine its amazing.
It has a shorter stroke with a higher redline as well.

306 HP stock with the G35/350z's restricted exhaust show that in our cars this engine would have lots of potential with just some exhaust work.
The intake side of the VQHR is so efficient flow wise already that aftermarket intake companies had a hard time making intakes that would increase HP.
on the key is partly on the exhaust side of things.

[trsilvias13]

I don't get why people not want to run a KA for a DD. This is a DD we are talking about? The KA does not get horrible gas mileage. I said no one has BAR'd a 240sx with another motor YET. So if someone did, post it and let us know. I would love have a more powerful motor and DD it in my 240sx. I don't think there is a Bar'd LSx, SR, RB, VQ whatever motor you want to insert. I did not say it not possible - it is possible for other chasis but I have not seen one for a 240sx.

OP asked what is out there that he can swap and Bar'd. The answer right now is a KA.

[rsibley22]

thought about this stratagy earlier this year i have an sr and i printed out one of these and carry it around in my car just in case i ever got pulled over i would try and pursuade the cop into thinking it was street legal by giving him a C.A.R.B. E.O. #
go here ARB Aftermarket Executive Order - Search results. (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/aftermktdevice.php)

i found these
EO: D-186-23 View PDF (http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-186-23.pdf)EO Date: 6/7/2000Manufacturer Name: HKS USA, Inc.Device: Nissan Turbocharger KitDevice Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger ModificationPart_Number:Model_Specification:Modifi cation_Allowed:Remarks: 1999 Nissan and Infiniti passenger cars equipped with a 2.0L engine The Nissan Turbocharger Kit includes the following main components: Garrett turbocharger with no waste gate and a 6.5 psi. maximum boost, in-line ECU electrical modification which increases fuel flow at boost conditions, open element air filter, cast iron exhaust manifold, and a new EGR tube. The OEM oxygen sensor is relocated to the turbo housing outlet, the original EGR tube is replaced by a longer EGR tube that captures exhaust from the exhaust connecting pipe, and the ignition timing is retarded by 3 degrees. The manufacturer recommends 92 octane fuel.


EO: D-244-6 View PDF (http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-244-6.pdf)EO Date: 12/14/2005Manufacturer Name: Jim Wolf Technology, Inc.Device: Nissan Turbocharger KitDevice Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger ModificationPart_Number:Model_Specification:Modifi cation_Allowed:Remarks:N/A 1991-1999 model year Nissan and Infiniti passenger cars with 2.0L engines ECM modifications; relocation of O2 sensor; EGR tube replacement Max Boost: 6.5 psi. This Executive Order supersedes E.O. D-244-2, which was duplicated for both this kit and Jim Wolf Technolgy, Inc.'s Nitrous Oxide System


EO: D-271 View PDF (http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-271.pdf)EO Date: 8/6/1992Manufacturer Name: Kenne Bell, Inc.Device: Turbocharger kit, Model, KB NO 7700Device Type: Turbocharger System / Turbocharger ModificationPart_Number:Model_Specification:Modifi cation_Allowed:Remarks:KB 7700 1991-1992 Nissan 240-SX with a 2.4 litter engine

[ANVIL]

may or may not help you but a lot of people i know just register the car out of state, then you dont have to worry about it. like people who move down to cali from AK, keep their AK plates and registration and keep having it re-newed every 2 years through someone who still lives here. you can also do it through mail

[DDDsquad_s13panda]

so ive read:

You can make a redtop SR20det pass smog more cleaner than some KA's. Just depending on the work and whats done to it, and if everything is properly put together i.e. all the smog emission stuff.

Correct me if im wrong, i have no real experience of this what so ever, i just go by what i read here in zilvia.

But then agian theres alot of tool and idiots floating around here giving out faulty information causing the noob's to get all confused about what is right or wrong.

I had my JDM redtop 4AGE, pass smog no problem. I even had exhaust and intake at the time. The tech himself said "long as everything that needs to be in there from the factory is in proper working order, youd be good."

Its this smog shop in riverside right off the 60 fwy i believe in university or before if im not mistaken, right next to that highschool.

GL with yours.

And for the record. You cant just slap a sentra SE-R engine to a 240, just because its "sr20de", you gotta think about all the wiring and such i.e. dizzy cap is on the flywheel side when a RWD sr20de in on the pulley side... you gonna have to jam the dizzy in the firewall if you really want to do that. And i have the S13 RWD 20DE. not alot of similarities, you cant even swap the same dizzy cap/rotors.

Anyways, back to topic.

[drift freaq]

so ive read:

You can make a redtop SR20det pass smog more cleaner than some KA's. Just depending on the work and whats done to it, and if everything is properly put together i.e. all the smog emission stuff.

Correct me if im wrong, i have no real experience of this what so ever, i just go by what i read here in zilvia.

But then agian theres alot of tool and idiots floating around here giving out faulty information causing the noob's to get all confused about what is right or wrong.

I had my JDM redtop 4AGE, pass smog no problem. I even had exhaust and intake at the time. The tech himself said "long as everything that needs to be in there from the factory is in proper working order, youd be good."

Its this smog shop in riverside right off the 60 fwy i believe in university or before if im not mistaken, right next to that highschool.

GL with yours.

And for the record. You cant just slap a sentra SE-R engine to a 240, just because its "sr20de", you gotta think about all the wiring and such i.e. dizzy cap is on the flywheel side when a RWD sr20de in on the pulley side... you gonna have to jam the dizzy in the firewall if you really want to do that. And i have the S13 RWD 20DE. not alot of similarities, you cant even swap the same dizzy cap/rotors.

Anyways, back to topic.

That's because American AE86's (GTS's) came with 4AGE's in them to begin with. Like has been stated earlier regardless of being able to pass tailpipe a SR20DET is not legal and not about to be legal. It will not pass visual.

Most everyone that knows anything about engines and has knowledge of the SER SR20DE knows well it can't just be dropped in. A person in this thread was asking the theoretical that some of us pondered at some stage of all this.

I clearly stated that regardless it was not legal per California engine swap rules.

[Ramirez]

Its got nothing to do with swaps, but if you wanna keep your dd as is, you might wanna try looking into out of state registration, like Arizona.

[drift freaq]

Its got nothing to do with swaps, but if you wanna keep your dd as is, you might wanna try looking into out of state registration, like Arizona.

Technically out of state registration is not legal either. If you have a residence in the state of California and its listed on your drivers license? You have ten days to transfer any out of state license plates to California registration.
So while it may be used as a loop hole you could still get pulled over and ticketed for not changing your registration.

[upsdude]

call your nearst community college and ask for the smog referee. ask him/her directly what you need. generally, as was mentioned you need the same year engine or newer, same obd, and all the smog equipment. but asking a ref is the only way to get a definitive answer.

[drift freaq]

call your nearst community college and ask for the smog referee. ask him/her directly what you need. generally, as was mentioned you need the same year engine or newer, same obd, and all the smog equipment. but asking a ref is the only way to get a definitive answer.

Like I stated earlier and others have stated, because we have already talked to referee's about this. Same year or newer engine sold in a RWD configuration, (so we can install it on our cars)
and all smog equipment from that year engine whether its OBDI or OBDII or CAN.

[miklos]

In California; you can install a VQ35 V6 from a 350Z or a Corvette V8 or a Skyline V6 and ARB will approve it because they are newer engines.BAR told me this.

[drift freaq]

In California; you can install a VQ35 V6 from a 350Z or a Corvette V8 or a Skyline V6 and ARB will approve it because they are newer engines.BAR told me this.

LOL did you just come in here and restate what I had already written? Man you really should learn to read before posting.

[Enna]

Miklos just stop. You are always late to the game. Always atleast 6 months behind too....

[JohnBlaster3000]

so stock 1jz is legal in california as long as it gets inspected by the state ref station, certified engine, emissions control equipment must remain on engine?

=]

[soreballz]

What? No. The 1jz was never a US engine.

[DataXUnknown]

I believe there was a 2jz non turbo (2JZGE) that came in the is300 that would be carb legal, but no legal 1jz's. A 2jzge swap would be kinda dumb though imo without a turbo

[soreballz]

2jzgte's can be BAR'd as well.

[DreamN]

hi guys is the sr20det carb legal for my 88 corolla wagon?

[drift freaq]

hi guys is the sr20det carb legal for my 88 corolla wagon?

LOL I smell troll LOL

[payne219]

hi guys is the sr20det carb legal for my 88 corolla wagon?

your kidding right?

[DreamN]

your kidding right?

no, i want to drift and sr20det is drift engine. also, what size turbo is better to drift? must be carb legal.

[drift freaq]

no, i want to drift and sr20det is drift engine. also, what size turbo is better to drift? must be carb legal.

LOL :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DreamN]

^ Mr. Freaq, you should so donate a set of your mounts my way. :D

[!Zar!]

Real talk.

Why doesn't someone swap a 3sgte into a s13? I mean, it is pretty much their version of the sr. Builds good power, street legal and can be had for chizzeap.

Or a 2jzgte?

Both of them are USDM motors, and can be smog legal.

Thoughts?

[DreamN]

2jz's have been done, but no one has taken the initiative to do it by the book and get it legalized.

Obviously money is the main issue here plus folks who are doing these types of swaps don't have any intentions of leaving the motor stock so the option to legalize it isn't even considered.

Had I another car and the appropriate area to work on a car I would definitely give the whole VQ swap a try. From what I've talked to Juan (Bardabe) about it's cake as long as the money is there.

[mrflip69]

If the VQ was cake, someone would've gotten it BAR'd by now. Getting it in and getting it running is no problem, especially now with all the ECU unlocks. Before, you'd be stuck with Maxima garbage or an AEM.

Still waiting for either drift freaq or irax to BAR their cars.

On that topic, has anybody even BAR'd an S-chassis??? With any fucking legal engine? Since 02, I've never seen anybody go through the trouble.

LS1 gives you header issues, and VQ, you'd be having intake plenum issues I believe, in terms of fitment. (I remember an S13 coupe that had to cut his hood and have the VQ pop out like those old school blowers)

I toyed with the 2jz idea... even asked the guys at Garage Works, and they said it wouldn't be worth it because you'd need the 6 speed? (Dunno how accurate that is... the fuck does the gearbox have anything to do with emissions)

It's not even a lack of info since that shit is posted in the DMV website, just lack of skill/motivation in the s-chassis community, as other people with different platforms --s2k in miata, ls1 in anything-- have succesfully BAR'd their cars. I think a guy legally did a VQ in his S30 at hybridz.

Prove me wrong if someone has seen a BAR'd s-chassis, I'd love to see it. There's probably a few DOHC swaps floating around here!

Re: mods.. do a CARB legal swap, and do CARB legal mods.. they have CARB legal turbo kits--albeit pricey! Not like the smog guy can really tell between stock internals. Turbo/manifold is a toss up.

[DreamN]

If the VQ was cake, someone would've gotten it BAR'd by now. Getting it in and getting it running is no problem, especially now with all the ECU unlocks. Before, you'd be stuck with Maxima garbage or an AEM.

Still waiting for either drift freaq or irax to BAR their cars.

it's cake as long as the money is there.

You seem to have missed the most important part.

On that topic, has anybody even BAR'd an S-chassis??? With any fucking legal engine? Since 02, I've never seen anybody go through the trouble.

LS1 gives you header issues, and VQ, you'd be having intake plenum issues I believe, in terms of fitment. (I remember an S13 coupe that had to cut his hood and have the VQ pop out like those old school blowers)

blu808 would be the one to talk about the LS1

Raised hood takes care of the intake manifold issue. Also, that is not an issue for getting it BAR'd.

Dave (freaq) and Irax are both limited by money at the moment. Irax made a bad move with going with the Maxima VQ and ECU. It's giving him problems last I heard. By the looks of things it seems he has given up. Hopefully he doesn't as he's incredibly close.

Dave will be crossing the frontier and going with the HR and I've yet to see much info regarding that swap.


I toyed with the 2jz idea... even asked the guys at Garage Works, and they said it wouldn't be worth it because you'd need the 6 speed? (Dunno how accurate that is... the fuck does the gearbox have anything to do with emissions)

No clue why they told you the 6 speed would make a difference. From what I gather it doesn't.

It's not even a lack of info since that shit is posted in the DMV website, just lack of skill/motivation in the s-chassis community, as other people with different platforms --s2k in miata, ls1 in anything-- have succesfully BAR'd their cars. I think a guy legally did a VQ in his S30 at hybridz.

Prove me wrong if someone has seen a BAR'd s-chassis, I'd love to see it. There's probably a few DOHC swaps floating around here!

Re: mods.. do a CARB legal swap, and do CARB legal mods.. they have CARB legal turbo kits--albeit pricey! Not like the smog guy can really tell between stock internals. Turbo/manifold is a toss up.

The skill is there. The main issue for anyone thinking about it is money. The other thing that comes to mind as I mentioned earlier is folks more than likely not seeing it worth going through the legal hassle when they might very well go with an illegal modification. Looking at all the swaps that I've seen in the S-Chassis I've yet to see someone do a complete stock OEM swap.

VQ in an S30... more than likely SMOG exempt. No need to go through the hassle.

[chituntang]

I remembered Lethal Injection did a GTO LS2 swapped S14 a while back, with all the emission stuff. I saw the car in person. It started and ran but they did not have headers for it at the moment I saw it. He said the swap is like 15k, if not more. Still need Dave to come in and confirm this though...

[handinpants]

it all depends which part of los angeles you live in, i've had my sr in my car for almost 3 years, and i have not gotten pulled over or in trouble because of my SR.. i've been pulled over for speeding, but suffered no consequence for having an sr, in fact no one has even popped my hood.

i live on the west side of los angeles, and when i do have to go to the east part of the county i drive really slow and quiet,

i don't really worry about it.

[DreamN]

Steve, that's because you played it smart and kept the exterior of your car stock. If I remember correctly your hatch didn't have flashy rims either. By looks alone I would not assume you had an SR at all.

Unfortunately the sleeper crowd is a minority in this scene. People are after giant intercoolers, loud blow off valves, flashy wheels, and overly aggressive kits. Which, for the majority of new kids to the scene, produce grotesque cars and attract undesired attention by law enforcement

The VQ strikes my interest simply because it's exactly the amount of power I'd like from a daily S13 fitted with all the options. Hell, if it were cost effective I'd keep the auto transmission if I ever got to do the swap, but that's highly unlikely. The fact that it can be BAR'd and the car maintains it's pedigree (a la Nissan) is what further heightens my interest. It's, in my opinion, the perfect swap for the S-Chassis.

BTW sorry to hear about your accident. Someone at the 818 told me about it.

[!Zar!]

I still want to see someone do a 3sgte swap.

[ManoNegra]

Had I another car and the appropriate area to work on a car I would definitely give the whole VQ swap a try. From what I've talked to Juan (Bardabe) about it's cake as long as the money is there.

what kind and how much cake are we taking about?
I've thought of getting rid of one of my cars to fund an HR VQ swap on an S14
main thing holding me back is waiting for a BARd proven build.
Dave? Juan?

[Tantwoforty]

We are working on a carb legal vg30dett swap package. but that sticker costs a petty penny.. oem exhaust, cats ect are expensive.

[DreamN]

what kind and how much cake are we taking about?
I've thought of getting rid of one of my cars to fund an HR VQ swap on an S14
main thing holding me back is waiting for a BARd proven build.
Dave? Juan?

VQHR, would be more complicated and take more funds.

Figures and overall difficulty should really be discussed with Juan. Also, please note I'm referring to the VQDE.

We are working on a carb legal vg30dett swap package. but that sticker costs a petty penny.. oem exhaust, cats ect are expensive.

Wouldn't be legal. VQ30DETT was never offered stateside.

[soreballz]

^he said VG, not VQ... You know, the Z32 motor? Durrrr...

[DALAZ_68]

that's because you played it smart and kept the exterior of your car stock. If I remember correctly your hatch didn't have flashy rims either. By looks alone I would not assume you had an SR at all.



or like my CA...LOL

stealthy and chillen all day...only time i got pulled over was moving violation and the officer said "nice Front mount" and just told me not to let him catch me doin anything stupid...i said fine, since i dont...lol...

[killer240]

as long as its made in USA and the engine have to be newer than your car. basically anything thats newer than your shell.

[lou's40sx]

as long as its made in USA and the engine have to be newer than your car. basically anything thats newer than your shell.


^^ YEP.

Any U.S.A. Engine that is newer than your car is legal. You don't even have to BAR it.

Example: Integra B series in Civic is 100% legal and no BAR is needed.
Example: Ka24DE in your 89-90 is 100% legal and no Bar is needed.

VQ35DE, VH, VR, and VG30DETT are 100% legal in your 240sx.

TRUCK engines cannot be dropped into a car.
So a Titan engine cannot be legal in a 240sx.

Requirements:
1. USA engine
2. Your car's year or newer engine
3. Must pass smog in accordance to new engine.
4. BAR is required on performance excessories, adding all superchargers are legal pre exhaust.
5. Adding Turbo is illegal because it's post exhaust.
6. Most Smog technicians don't know about legality of swaps, so 98% of them won't smog a legal swap because they don't know crap about engines and BAR program

[Corbic]

I don't live and will never live in Cali, so I didn't read the whole thread.

In case it was not posted - GM has come up with the E-Rod crate motor swap. Everything you need to swap a Carb legal LSX into any chassis you wish with all the documentation.

GM Performance Parts | High Performance Crate Engines & Engine Parts (http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/home.jsp?section=overview)

https://store.gmperformanceparts.com/store/gmDealerResult.jsp


The LS3 makes 430hp, 424ft/tq with a T56 should see 30mpg on the highway and comes with a fuel crate-motor warranty. Not bad for starting at $7,500.

I think you can get new T-56s these days for like $1,500 as well.

[DreamN]

^he said VG, not VQ... You know, the Z32 motor? Durrrr...

lol my apologies. simply glanced over it and mistook the "g" for a "q."

[roboticnissan]

Sore ballz is the only sensible poster on here so far! Good info soreballz

[omgRWDgoodness!]

Threads like this make me glad that I don't live in California, don't have to worry about any of this bull***t. Thanks, but I'm going to put whatever damn motor I want in my car. Sometimes it feels as though the state is against motor vehicles altogether. Wouldn't mind visiting though! :wavey:

[mrflip69]

Fail up there^^! You need to BAR your car with the new "legal" engine, so they can change your setup in the system and smog your car appropriately, not to mention giving you that handy dandy plate.

You think you can drop an LS in your car and drive up to any smog station and get a legit smog?? You wish LOL!!

And "made in the USA?" Uhh, no. It just needs to be available from a RWD USA car if that's what you meant.

I'm still a little skeptical on the tranny config. I haven't seen that spelled out on ARB's site re: "engine change", but I guess that's the verdict from the refs.

Still have my reservations about the s-chassis community being able to pull off a BAR'd anything. Its been 2 years since Dave projected he'd release kits with Aaron, and I don't see Ib's frankensteined VQ going anywhere but the track. I think he was just about to say "fuck it" and making it track only. Is it even a 35 or a 30? Because that'll beg the question of the tranny config.

An LS or VH could've been done legally by now, but I've yet to see it. People have put boat loads of $ in mods than what would be required in a basic stock swap. Nobody wants to invest in a shop that's learning to do a CARB legal swap, and not even be guaranteed a plate, and I don't blame them LOL!