I got my clip today

[Nismo241]

Today I recieved the R32 RB20DET clip I ordered from Venus auto. I'm happy to say the least. It came with a few extra parts that made me one happy camper. It came with a Blitz Access ECU, it had the digital climate control that I am using in my car now and it has the NISMO 260km/h speedo. The clip came with 83863KM which comes out to 52110 miles. I have lots of pics already. I already took the dash and interior out, the car had been rolled so it was difficult to get the ECU out but I managed. Here are some pics of just some of the stuff.

[Nismo241]

here is the cluster

[Kid Zelda]

Not to brust yourrrrrr bubble, but I would be careful with tuned ECU's you know nothing about ! Engine might go BOOOOOOOM !

[Nismo241]

here is the most important part the motor

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
Not to brust yourrrrrr bubble, but I would be careful with tuned ECU's you know nothing about ! Engine might go BOOOOOOOM !

Thats why I'm finding every bit of info on this thing that I can find. The only thing that I see being a problem is a knob on the bottom, it has writing on it but it's in japanese. The guy that will be tuning my car knows enough to the point where I don't worry about it.

[DRO916]

wow good luck in with your car...be sure to take pix once its all done with...

[s13fastback]

man ... lucky bastard ... if only i had money ....

[Sil1580]

if you don't mind me asking how much did you get it for from venus because i like about 10 miles away from there

[whateverjames]

nice. http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Nismo241]

I don;t mind at all, if you don;t need to ship it you can get it for 1000, it's their monthly special. I paid 1500 total for it, but I just got about 960 back from the ECU and guage cluster. It also has KYB suspension. Probably the stock clutch but well find out, I just took off the intercooler and all the piping. I plan on putting up a website, sort of a how to if all goes well. I tried to get info from a couple of places and the only people that would help me was unstable hybrids. The other places wouldn't give info because it was "their secret" I have tons more pics of it thats just what I posted. If you want more E-mail me and I'll send them.

[Pelican_Racing]

Originally posted by Nismo241
I don;t mind at all, if you don;t need to ship it you can get it for 1000, it's their monthly special.

Are you SERIOUS?!>?! I was just told $2300 for a S13 clip. How is the Skyline clip so much cheaper?

I'm in South Bay, but Venus is only 1-2hrs away...

-Pelican

[KiDyNomiTe]

Good luck, gotta love that engine, what are your plans with it?

Also talk to the few RB owners on the boards for some assistance.

[Nismo241]

I think the RB clip is so much cheaper is because it's not in a high demand and it's not a motor meant for any car in the US. My plans with this motor is just 300-400 whp and I'll be satisfied. I don't want to play around with the External wastegates, I just want to keep my stock manifold, and maybe upgrade to just a T3. Then comes the usual 3in downpipe and full exhaust, FMIC, bigger injectors, cams, yada yada yada. I'v etalked to like 3 other guys that were very helpful and found out a lot of info on the motor itself and the swap.

[HaLo]

Congrats on the clip man!! that's dirt cheap!!!

[Nismo241]

I just got the whole interior harness out along with the harness of the ECU. I pulled the cam cover checked it out, it was clean, there is a bunch of sludge and what not in the throttle body, so I need to take it off and clean it. I had to cut away a peice of the clip on the driver side where the fender goes so I could get the fuse block out. I went and put the digital Climate control unit in my 240 and it fits like it was meant for the car. Tomorrow I'm going to tear out my dash and start in on the wiring for the interior, and also see if the guage cluster will fit. I'll post more pics tomorrow.

[Nismo241]

I finally had the time to get the motor and trannt out of the clip. I had to cut the frame out a bit to fit the fuse block through so I didn't have to cut the harness right then. Ultimately I'll have to to get iut into my car. I spent a few hours cleaning some of the parts I pulled off of the car and getting most of the sludge and crap off of the motor. The clutch is pretty new by the looks of it, nothing special, just a stock replcement. Here is a pic of the motor out of the car

[Nismo241]

and here is a pic of the turbo. It seems like it's in great working order. There is no shaft play and the blades spin freely. It's a little dirty so I needd to clean it but here it is.

[MaxSilvia]

very nice. definately keep posting pics and let us know on the progress.

[Nismo241]

Will do, I plan to have the motor in my car tomorrow. It won't run tomorrow but I hope to get it in. I'll post pics tomorrow if I get it in.

[xLSTONEx]

man your one lucky SOB, good luck on the swap, let us know how is goes.

[Fastback180]

Sweet. That's a nice choice. I'm thinkin about the RB as well. Anyone say Legendary Snail?

[d240t2]

I tried to get info from a couple of places and the only people that would help me was unstable hybrids. The other places wouldn't give info because it was "their secret"

Good to hear you had a good experience with us. Let us know if there is something else we can do to help.

And the other places claimed proprietary knowledge, but honestly, they probably didn't know at all. Since we first did the RB20DET swap in the states a couple of years ago, there have only been a few other shops that have done them. Most people just repeat RB info they read off the internet, which hasn't been very reliable in our experience.

Good luck!

Dennis

[2FortyessX]

damn... i am shocked. i had no idea they were that cheap. i live in the bay so venus is pretty damn close. you have really changed my mind about rb swaps. i was pretty much set on the sr but for 1500 dollars for the whole clip, wow. can someone do me a favor and give me a little more info on them. like how much hp the engine can put out with the stock turbo and how the aftermarket is for them. also some pics of a 240 with an r32 clip would be GREAT. thanks!! btw good job for finding that deal.

[Nismo241]

Well, the work is on a hold for today cause the cherry picker broke. Hopefully the new one tomorrow and get going again.

[MaxSilvia]

any pics yet??:D

[Nismo241]

what do you want pics of? The motor isn't in my car yet. The more interesting ics are up top I have more if you want those

[Drift Style S14]

nice! good luck with your swap, i am still trying to decied with which motor to go with the Rb20 or the 25. keep us updated and tell us how it goes!

[mbmbmb23]

Any idea what they charge for Rb25 clips??



-m

[blaqsilvia]

<b> great job!! i'm so jealous! see if you can get pics of it going in and all that!! GOOD LUCK!! </b> ;)

[Tiff]

man, that looks like fun. Seriously.

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by mbmbmb23
Any idea what they charge for Rb25 clips??



-m

I think it's like 1800+shipping which is anywhere from 500-700 Check at www.venus-auto.com

[misnomer]

Keep an eye on Fresh Alloy, they have a full forum to this swap, iirc.

You intend to let us know how to do things? :-)

And lastly, wouldn't it be great if we could keep this all away from mainstream, keep the prices down? Don't want it becoming another demand inflated motor like the SR.

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by misnomer
Keep an eye on Fresh Alloy, they have a full forum to this swap, iirc.

You intend to let us know how to do things? :-)

And lastly, wouldn't it be great if we could keep this all away from mainstream, keep the prices down? Don't want it becoming another demand inflated motor like the SR.


My thoughts exactly. I intend to let the people who actually are doing this swap how to do it. That is if in fact I do it right. I'm not posting a site for people to browse to see how much work it is and decide that way, thats a cop out if you ask me. I mean if people ask me how much work and what not, thats fine, I won't hold out. But I'm not going to take the time to write somone an E-mail to explain it qand then they say, oh too much work I'm going with the SR. Ya know.

[Nismo241]

With the engine picker still broken and no replacement yet. I decided to quit looking at the motor and car, and just sit there and pout about it. I went ahead and installed the side mount IC. And I also "fabricated" the dash to make the R32 cluster fit. The IC was huge for that little space. The wheel is like 1/2 inch away from rubbing when it is turned all the way. Here is a pic of the IC from the front

[misnomer]

I'd like to see what needed to happen to the dash, if you don't mind :-)

The guage clusters look to be the same size, was there a difference in shape or just screws?

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by misnomer
I'd like to see what needed to happen to the dash, if you don't mind :-)

The guage clusters look to be the same size, was there a difference in shape or just screws?

The shape is about the same, but it;s like 3/4 of an inch taller, and about 1/2 in longer. The screw holes were in a different spot as well. The holes on the 240 are wider out on the bottom and there is one hole on the top in the middle, while the R32 cluster has 2 holes in the top and the ones on the bottom are closer in. I had to cut the backing and sides inside the dash by the screw holes. I still am not sure what to do about the top but I'll think of something. Now I'm trying to find a wiring diagram of the cluster so I can wire up the R32 cluster. I'm going to have to run the boost and oil pres. gauge directly from the signal. I'll go take a pic of the dash cut out. I dont have a before pic though.

[Nismo241]

here is another

[nissan slut]

are you still going to have air condition? if not, is that even possible?

[Nismo241]

It probably is, I wouldn't see why not, but I won't even consider using it. I won't have power steering either. I pulled the KA/tranny out today and discovered the wiring to be a bit easier than I thought. When I saw the mess of harness I said to myself: Self.....my car is never going to run right again. But now I believe otherwise. I plan on dropping the RB in tonight with the help of a few friends. The R32 radiator is a bit to tall so I can't use it which sucks cause I wanted to. I also have to cut a hole in the firewall so I can pull the speedo calble through. With wiring the guage cluster in is also going to be easy. On the back of the cluster every wire pin is labeled on the board. So I can just use that as a guide. I expect wiring to take about a full day or 2. I'm getting really excited about getting this done. I still need to order my fuel pump and get my muffler so I can tow the car to the muffler shop when it's done. Then I will have it's maiden voyage around portland and back home, with the tow truck following behind of course, just in case:D If I can get the motor in tonight I will start on the wiring and post back pics and more info on how to do it. If anyone has some advice on it let me know. I'm more than open to suggestions.

Here is a pic of the whole wiring harness out of the R32 including interior(this is why I thought it wouldn't run again).

[mbmbmb23]

Dude....Im excited for you!! Hope it turns out well.



-m

[Nismo241]

The way it looks I only have three plugs on the engine harness to re pin and wire up. Then I have to run wires for the boost guage in the stock cluster and oil pressure guage, then wire up the cluster and that should be it. Thats just the way it looks right now, there may be more but so far this looks like all of it.

[andrave]

the RB25det is equipped with a special turbo with basically a special plastic blade which won't hold up to more than 15 psi reliably. In stock form, it is said to spool up near 2000 rpm, as the setup was really intended for quick spool up rather than high boost levels. In europe its common for guys with RB20det's to swap on this larger turbo for extra power. The rings and ring lands are said to be a great weakness, but supposedly the gearbox is good for up to 600 HP if you take care of it. Parts are hard to find in the US, but in Austrailia (where RB's rule) the RB into a 240 swap has been done quite a few times and a lot of the aussies have details on their swaps available online.
I would also be concerned about the ECU, its hard enough to properly tune an engine when you know what you have to work with. Some of (hell a lot of) those aftermarket ecu's come tuned to work with different injectors or cams, and they may not work well on your engine. Plus they may not have rev limiters, so if you miss a shift it could be kaboom.
Also, the reason the clips are cheap?
Simple, SR20dets are very easy to make power on, and bolt into 240's. even a couple years ago, you could get an sr20det for around 1000 bucks. Ever since the swap mania occured after every import publication started an SR project, they clips are in HUGE demand, and thus the high prices. Hell you can get an rb26dett for what a lot of the importers are charging for sr20det clips! Now thats a swap.
Its been done before, bolted up to an RB25det tranny, but from what I understand the engine mounts and such are hell, and the engine won't clear the US hood line (and the twin turbos may have to go, the down pipes hit the steering knuckle).

[Nismo241]

Actually, that ECU will run perfect with my motor, cause it was set up for that motor. Thats what was in the clip. I also found out that the knob on the side is to adjust the idle and to run self diagnostics. I wired up the cluster last night, it sucked, easy but time consuming, although there is 27 wires on the 240 harness and 29 on the R32, I'm guessing that the other two are of the guages we don't have, boost and oil pressure.

[Nismo241]

Well, tried dropping the motor in today, and I have a question for anyone that knows for sure, what does it take to bolt the motor up to the stock mount position? They are like 4 inches too far forward to olt up and the csm covers are hitting the firewall.

[andrave]

it takes custom mounts, of course.

Thats what the aussies used anyway.

[misnomer]

Somebody had mentioned in the past that you could use the motor mount and crossmember from the clip to get the rb25 to fit. . . Dunno if there's any validity to the claim, but it's worth checking out.

[Nismo241]

I've decided to take 3/8 inch this steel and bolt it to the motor mounts and bolt it into the slot on the 240sx cross member. I need like 2 6x4x3/8" steel plates. I know it won't be as strong or sturdy but I don't care at this point.

[xrockoutx]

i HEARD that you can use an r33 cross member from the rb25 equipped models i believe it was...but who knows.

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by xrockoutx
i HEARD that you can use an r33 cross member from the rb25 equipped models i believe it was...but who knows.

I heard the exact same thing. The R33 crossmember will bolt to the undercarrage of the 240. I think there are two holes that will need to be drilled to fit.

Note: This is hearsay not actuall experience

[andrave]

I heard a lot of stuff too, about engines fitting in the s13 chassis. one rb dealer one bay is telling his customers that the rb25det "bolts right into the usdm chassis and motor mounts, with a minor modification to the downpipe to clear the steering knuckle."
another rb26dett dealer told me once that "if you use a fairlady Z32 crossmember and output shaft, and an rb25det transmission, the rb26dett will bolt right into the s13 chassis."
now, I don't know if any of that is true. I seriously doubt it, cause if it was that easy we would all be snapping up 2.5 and 2.6 liters because right now their market price isn't much higher than an sr20.
I know the guys in australia used custom motor mounts and a custom intake manifold on their rb20det. It was a really clean swap. That literature is somewhere on the web, because I read it before and thought "that looks like an awful lot of work for a 2.0 liter."

[Nismo241]

I made my motor ounts today, the motor sits in nicely, but I had to take it in and out about 3 times today, the first time was to measure the mounts. The seconds was to cut the hole for the speedo cable, and the third time, which is still out of the car, so I could dent in the firewall that surrounds the bell housing. It is too wide to fit in the opening. So I took just a 3lbs sledge hammer and went at it. Tomorrow I'm going to get the motor/tranny bolted in and start in on long haul.......wiring :(

I'll post pics of the mounts and dents tomorrow before I put it all in. This swap is a lot of work, but I'm having some fun doing it, and other times I want to throw a hammer through the windshield, you guys should know what I mean.

[Ranger_Man]

it might be hard, but you are providing some really good info for the rest of us who have been following this. i hope you can wrap it up soon and it runs perfect.

[andrave]

how does the shifter hole line up? will the stock driveshaft still bolt up or at you looking at acustom unit?

[Nismo241]

Unstable hybrids tells me that the driveshaft works. So I trust their word on that and say it does work. The shifter hole, well, we'll find that out today. I'm going to have it in and bolted up by tonight if everything works out for me.

[misnomer]

woop woop.

Keep us updated on the progress. Suggestion: document the wiring well, when you're complete some of us may be willing to pay you for wiring diagrams if you have them available. I know I would if I ever took on a project like this :-)

[Nismo241]

Here are the pics of the 'custom' motor mount. We'll see how it holds up. We are worried that they will torque and twist so I'm considering making a torque strap if necessary. I also have pics of the firewall after we dented it, and the hole cut for the speedo cable.

[Nismo241]

Here is the hole cut for the speedo cable

It's actually a ****ty job on the cut, but you can't see it anyways, plus I had to use a 3 inch cutting wheel on it and it was hard:(

[Nismo241]

here is the dented firewall. This is necessary for the bellhousing to fit. It had to be dented in about an inch all the way around except by the starter where it went in a bit more. Now I'm having issues with the driveshaft. The way it LOOKS is that the driveshaft may have to be shortened about an inch. The motor is in, and hopefully not coming back out again. It's kinda difficult the way we had the chain set on the motor so it was hard to get the motor to tilt so I had to lift up on the intake manifold to get the mount to line up. To drop the motor in the bay it has to be angled with the clutch side down. You also have to have the radiator out. I'm going to find out tonight if I can maybe use the mechanical fan rather than the electrtic one. The mounting for the electric one is going to be a pain. The clip came with one attached to the AC condensor so I'm going to use that if the mech. one won't work.

[nrcooled]

My only suggestion is to dent the undercarriage enough so if you have to take the tranny off w/ the engine still in it will come out. My SR is a super tight fit and I can't imagine a bigger bell housing.

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by nrcooled
My only suggestion is to dent the undercarriage enough so if you have to take the tranny off w/ the engine still in it will come out. My SR is a super tight fit and I can't imagine a bigger bell housing.


They way it looks I have bno choice but to pull the motor to change clutch and whatnot. I won't change the clutch just to upgrade, it will have to be 100% necessary to do so, The clutch in there now is near new so I don't worry about it.

[jedc]

i have been told by someone from an australian forum that if you use the crossmembers and mounts from your clip then everything should bolt right up. this person has done the swap before and has since done an rb25 swap. they also said you would need the r32 powersteering lines from your clip.
jed

[Nismo241]

Here is some proof that you can close the hood over the RB20 without clearance issues

[Nismo241]

Here is the motor installed WITHOUT the wiring done. For the sake of the pics I stuffed all the wiring down next to the starter. The motor fits nicely, although I don't have the filter on yet cause that won't fit under the hood. The motor has no clearance issues at all. I still need to deal with the driveshaft tomorrow. We'll see how that goes.

[Nismo241]

here is another shot of the motor

[Nismo241]

and another

[Nismo241]

Well the driveshaft does go in, I just had to cut the shield on the RB tranny and in went right in and bolts up toi the stock mounts......yay, on ething that worked for me, the shifter hole lines up as well. I'll take some pics and post later of where I cut and the shifter hole and mounts.

[misnomer]

Sorry. . .Just don't want this thread to die :-)

Tell us something new man! Are you just down to the wiring now? (hehe just down to the wiring. . .).

I don't know why, but untill two days ago, I thought you had swapped an rb25. Anybody know the dimensions of the 25 vs the 20 and how it would be to swap that motor?

Mebbe we need a new thread.

[Nismo241]

Right now I'm just tying up loose ends, like getting all the vacuum hoses, and coolant hoses hooked up. I need to extend the wires for the MAF and the O2 sensor. I'm having the harness run down to where it does in the 240's on the right hand side. There are 4 plugs if I'm thinking right on the driver side of the car. 2 for the PS pump and AC compressor, and the other 2 for the MAF and O2 sensor. So I just need to extend the wires to those 2 plugs that I am using and the harness has more than enough on it to reach into the right hand side of the car. I installed teh electric fan yesterday. I just cut the bottom mount(this is the stock electric fan on the AC condensor, so it has two mounts on top one of them having a stud, and one on the bottom) to line up with the bolt that goes into the bar infront with the hood latch on it, and mounted the bottom there and then made a strap to hold the top mount with the stud in it, and strapped it to te top radiator mount on the driver side. I'm also usig the R32 radiator in case I didnt' brign that up before. I also took a piece of sheet metal 12x18 and cut it out to cover the gigantic hole I fubared up for the IC piping. That also provides a place to bolt down the fuse box on that side of the car.

[240Driver39]

lookin good man, like misnomer said, keep us updated, im enjoyin following this project

[NISMOoPW]

Branden-

I am also doing the same swap as you. I have also heard that using the R32 motor mount is a good idea, and I'm having problems finding one. My engine is apart, as I'm rebuilding it (I have the time) with JUN parts. Keep me up to date with your work, sounds like you're doing a lot of custom fab. I tried contacting you through AOL IM, but no dice, e-mail me @ [email protected], glad to find you!

Eric Mueller

[Nismo241]

Well, to keep the thread going, I haven't done anything big with it in a while, I'm trying to get more info on the wiring so I don't f u c k anything up. So far I've gotten the clutch bled, installed the Electric fan switch(ya know, one of those temp activated ones), and put the switch inside the center console so it's hidden(I dislike illuminated switchs on cars). I'm also putting in a switch to by pass the switch that requires the clutch to be in to start the car. I know it's there to help so you don;t try to start it in gear, but it'll make it a little more difficult for someone to steal it that way. I plugged in the guage cluster to see if I can get it to start just by plugging in the batter cables on the RB20 harness, no dice. You have to wire up the ignition wres, which I already knew, just trying to see if I could get around it. I don;t know how to to that, I'm assuming I need to splice the ignition and ECU power wires into a wire that recieves constant power but no one will tell me. I talked to Night, but he said he couldn't tell me cause I didn't buy from him, I asked the guy from Unstable, he gave good info, but not quite enough(I'm not bitching, I"m really appreciative of your info), and then I could use what I think, but I don't really trust that(stay away from drugs people(BTW, I don't do them anymore, and haven't for 3 years so I'm not a bad person, dumb teenager, what can I say)) But other than that she's done, my muffler comes tomorrow, and my fuel pump should be here on thursday, friday at the very latest(shipping problems with the company I bought it from but they are doing what they can) I also said I would post some pics for a guy of the oil pan(sorry it took so long man) Here they are

[Nismo241]

here is another one

[Nismo241]

and another

[Nismo241]

and the last

[DMC]

just curious not tryin to be a dick, but why would you want to use that engine that has low hp, low rpms, and low displacement?(othere than the fact it was 1500)

[SR240DET]

Originally posted by DMC
just curious not tryin to be a dick, but why would you want to use that engine that has low hp, low rpms, and low displacement?(othere than the fact it was 1500)

dick!:rolleyes:

hey nismo241... are you using the r32 guage cluster? or your 240 one?

[240Driver39]

That sucks that Night wont help ya, seems kinda sad that since u didn't buy from him, that he wont help out a fellow rb guy, i mean i can understand it a little bit, but that kinda annoys me. Its all about the wrong stuff nemore it seems...

just my opinions....

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally posted by DMC
just curious not tryin to be a dick, but why would you want to use that engine that has low hp, low rpms, and low displacement?(othere than the fact it was 1500)


DICK. :D

There's this concept called torque that some of you obviously haven't heard of. There's also a concept of affordability. That complete front clip he bought cost as much or less than a cut-harnessed SR engine set.

-Kevin

[misnomer]

Dick!

The RB is great, ~210 hp stock, but iirc it's an even higher winding bastard than the SR, and has a smoother torque curve to boot. It's also very receptive to modification, not to mention cheaper than the godforsaken SR20 :P

If you've already isolated the wires as the ignition and ECU power wires, its fairly safe to figure they just need to be connected to a +12v source

[Nismo241]

I wouldn't exactly say he's a dick, just uninformed(well I tried). I chose this motor for most the reasons mentioned above, and a couple more, one of them being originality, I know others have t his but not as many as the trendy SR20, I still love the SR20, but I just prefer the RB.

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by misnomer
Dick!

The RB is great, ~210 hp stock, but iirc it's an even higher winding bastard than the SR, and has a smoother torque curve to boot. It's also very receptive to modification, not to mention cheaper than the godforsaken SR20 :P

If you've already isolated the wires as the ignition and ECU power wires, its fairly safe to figure they just need to be connected to a +12v source


Thats what I thought, I just don;'t trust my judgement when it comes to stuff like that anymore. I have the ECU pipnout and now I'm going to see what happens when I hook those wires up to a 12V source, probably just the battery. Yeah I'm using the R32 cluster, I just finished wiring it in, looks nice, it had PIAA blue bulbs in it when I got it so it looks purtty. I'll take pics of it lit up.

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by 240Driver39
That sucks that Night wont help ya, seems kinda sad that since u didn't buy from him, that he wont help out a fellow rb guy, i mean i can understand it a little bit, but that kinda annoys me. Its all about the wrong stuff nemore it seems...

just my opinions....

I guess for me to say he didn't help at all, is wrong, he helped a bit, but not as much as he could have, but whatever. I agree with you 100% on that comment though. I'm doing this thread to inform people and help them out with their stuff. People often dont offer info for a few reasons, one being you didn;t buy from them(excuse the **** out of us for being smart shoppers), another one being they don't want you to have what they do, or the just plain don't know and they claim to. Right now I have every piece of info I can find online about the wiring for this and none of it is coming together for me. I'll try to find some more diagrams. When I am done I will definately give a step by step process on wiring to make it easy on those doing this swap, so now no one will have to deal with the people who don't want to give info.

[SR240DET]

nismo... do you have your guage cluster installed? can i see it in the dash if you already did it?

[Nismo241]

I dont have the dash in yet, I have the cluster wired and thats about it. I can't for the life of me get this POS to turn over, maybe I'm just that dumb, I don't know.

[NISMOoPW]

4wd oil pan...USELESS!!!!! So here it is anyways Brenden.

-Eric

[NISMOoPW]

Current state of affairs, about as clean as she gets! Super secret ExViTermini blackouts not needed yet, she's a stock block. www.exvitermini.com to understand joke...
-Eric

[NISMOoPW]

Last entertaining pic of the night. A factory forged crank, and a damned heavy flywheel, gee, I wonder if that'll stay?:D
-Eric

[CoasTek240]

Originally posted by DMC
just curious not tryin to be a dick, but why would you want to use that engine that has low hp, low rpms, and low displacement?(othere than the fact it was 1500)
your a dick and also very uninformed. this engine would be perfect for what you want. i know you like high HP, which this engine can produce(it's a skyline!) and you're all bout tq.. which this has... so why isnt it perfect.. b/c it's lower diplacement than our beloved truck motor (which you and love soo much, b/c of tq).. anyways.. think b4 u speak next time...

dont feel bad bout the burns.. they'll heal

[DMC]

I wouldn't exactly say he's a dick, just uninformed(well I tried). I chose this motor for most the reasons mentioned above, and a couple more, one of them being originality, I know others have t his but not as many as the trendy SR20, I still love the SR20, but I just prefer the RB.
thanks see the only reason I asked is cuz coastek told me i should get one when i told him i wanted an rb, but i couldnt see what it had over the sr(other than price)

I'm not a dick
he is
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your a dick and also very uninformed. this engine would be perfect for what you want. i know you like high HP, which this engine can produce(it's a skyline!) and you're all bout tq.. which this has... so why isnt it perfect.. b/c it's lower diplacement than our beloved truck motor (which you and love soo much, b/c of tq).. anyways.. think b4 u speak next time...
wait david dont you drive a 200sx lowered with just coils and you have groundeffects?

[andrave]

will someone tell me something I've been wondering this whole time? I can get RB25det's for as much as its gonna cost me to get an sr20det in decent shape shipped out here, so is the install procedure the same?
and why do I keep seeing "R33 crossmember will bolt the RB25 engine into the s13 chassis" on the web?
I'm dying to know the truth in that.
You guys have mentioned a couple times that the R32 mounts are needed, but you don't have them.. didn't they come with your clip?
Also, I thought I remembered someone on this board saying that the RB blocks were pretty similar, so would the engines be similar in dimensions?
finally, what oil pan did you use?

[Nismo241]

I didn't change my crossmember for a couple of reasons, one being I didn't want the hassle, and two I sold it. I hear that the RB25 and RB20 are about identical on the outside, if so, then your mouts going to the 240 crossmemeber will be 4 inches too far forward. The oil pan fits around everything like it was meant for the car.

[andrave]

still not quite clear, the R32 crossmember would put the engine mounts where on the s13 chassis? where they need to be, or it won't bolt up at all?
trying to figure out what mods it would take.

[Nismo241]

Thats what I hear, I don't know, didn't try it, I'm sending a guy the crossmember today so I will have to ask him when he puts it on.

[SR240SXT]

congrats on the swap, its awesome you put all this info on here for us. Assuming everything works well, how does it perform? You have any time slips for it yet? convince more of us to do the rb swap:)

[NISMOoPW]

Not to be a dick, but considering I'm doing the RB20DET swap myself, I can attest that I would personally rather you didn't. It's a unique swap in America because it's so ass backwards. An RB26DETT would produce more power in the long run, parts are more available, and you'd probably prefer that type of power to the sort you would receive from the RB20. Point is, convince yourself to do the swap you wish to. We're here doing this because we've done the research, we've dedicated our time to our builds, not to sell this swap to you. The more of these there are on the street, the ****tier it feels. I fear the day a ricer can pay someone to do this "common swap". So with that in mind, ENJOY!

Eric

[NISMOoPW]

And here's my qualification for the previous post.

-Eric

[Solo2tib]

Now thats the ExViTermini I know and love. :)

[nrcooled]

I don't get it?:confused: what does that have to do w/ anything

[Kid Zelda]

Originally posted by nrcooled
I don't get it?:confused: what does that have to do w/ anything

Inside joke with those guys, you should be confused :p

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by NISMOoPW
Not to be a dick, but considering I'm doing the RB20DET swap myself, I can attest that I would personally rather you didn't. It's a unique swap in America because it's so ass backwards. An RB26DETT would produce more power in the long run, parts are more available, and you'd probably prefer that type of power to the sort you would receive from the RB20. Point is, convince yourself to do the swap you wish to. We're here doing this because we've done the research, we've dedicated our time to our builds, not to sell this swap to you. The more of these there are on the street, the ****tier it feels. I fear the day a ricer can pay someone to do this "common swap". So with that in mind, ENJOY!

Eric

I'm with you, I'd rather not take my time to explain things so I can hear "Nah, I'll go with the SR20 instead" I'll let everyone in on everything in here, if you have questions that are not addressed in here, and are serious about doing the swap, or is in the process of doing so, AIM me @ Nismobuttnutz, or Email me. This thred was just started cause I was excited to have gotten my stuff, but then I figured I should supply info for everyone cause I searched forever online and got sooooo much false info it's not even funny, like the rumor that the motor will both right up to the stock mounting spots, sorry aint gonna happen. But whatever questions you might have, feel free to ask, but please, only if you're serious.

[SR240SXT]

Alright forget that I said convince us to do the swap, I don't really care about sharing it with everyone and would rather it not become blown up like the sr. You said you finished it and I was just interested if you thought the benefit was worth the cost. Theres no need to get all defensive and start attacking the fact that it'll get blown up and that "We're here doing this because we've done the research, we've dedicated our time to our builds, not to sell this swap to you."-NISMOoPW. All that is understood, just don't be so quick to run to a hostile standpoint just because i asked how fast it goes.

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by SR240SXT
Alright forget that I said convince us to do the swap, I don't really care about sharing it with everyone and would rather it not become blown up like the sr. You said you finished it and I was just interested if you thought the benefit was worth the cost. Theres no need to get all defensive and start attacking the fact that it'll get blown up and that "We're here doing this because we've done the research, we've dedicated our time to our builds, not to sell this swap to you."-NISMOoPW. All that is understood, just don't be so quick to run to a hostile standpoint just because i asked how fast it goes.

I don't think he's done yet? If you are done...Dood can we get some video of that beast running?:eek: :D

[Nismo241]

It's not done yet, today should be the day though, I"m hoping it will go smoothly. I finally got teh info I needed and started working on it last night at midnight and stopped at 8:30 this morning. There is going to be a big mess of wires by the glove box due to the R32 fuse block and stuff, and some more clutter by the steering rack for the ECU. I'll post back later when I take a break from it.


PS. I wasn't getting defensive about your comments, I was stating my opinion on the matter

[misnomer]

slick as hell man :-) Be sure to let us know when it's running!

[DMC]

yea man tell us how she runs when your done

[Nismo241]

I got it running today. When I was putting the ECU harness through the ignition signal wire got pulled out from the ECU pin. So I just put it back in and BOOM, it started. It's awfully nice sounding, yet it still is running open exhaust. It has a nice whistle to it when I rev it. I'll make a vid of it running, but I'm not sure how to post the video. We'll see. Well I'm off to get it put back together.:D

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by Nismo241
I got it running today. When I was putting the ECU harness through the ignition signal wire got pulled out from the ECU pin. So I just put it back in and BOOM, it started. It's awfully nice sounding, yet it still is running open exhaust. It has a nice whistle to it when I rev it. I'll make a vid of it running, but I'm not sure how to post the video. We'll see. Well I'm off to get it put back together.:D

I am sure someone will host it for you. Also congrats are definately in order. I can't wait to hear it run.

You now offically have a "sky80":D

[Rogue]

congrats..

[Nismo241]

thanks, I just drove it around the block. It still hs open exhaust and none of the sensors(speed, tach, or temp) are hooked up, so I couldn't go past what I think was 3K. It would just sputter and not want to go. I also need to put a ground strap on the motor. I don;t even know why or what it does but I will do it anyways. Plus my headlights and taillights don;t work, something happened and I don;t know what, I'll figure it out. I get my exhaust built on monday mornign at 8, then we'll see if it was worth it.

[kuroi s14]

Good Luck! and keep up the good work!

[Rogue]

does the RB25det also use a speedo cable or is it electronic?

[Nismo241]

Originally posted by Rogue
does the RB25det also use a speedo cable or is it electronic?


I think the RB25 is electronic, when I told Night that I had a cable speedo he seemed kinda shocked by it. So I would ASSUME that it is electric.

[NISMOoPW]

Congradulations! Can't wait to see that vid, good luck on getting everything else figured out.

-Eric

[Nismo241]

The problems I ihave right now are my headlights won;t pop up, turn signals don't work in front of back, the brake lights and tail lights dont work either. No fuses are blown, possibly it's the relays, I'm not sure on that though. Getting the speedo cable to reach the back of the cluster will be a task as well. I doesn't exactly want to reach without me having to cut some stuff. I'll have to do that today, tomorrow will be it's first drive on main roads and in traffic, we'll see how it holds up. I haven't been able to make a Video yet cause I only took it out once. When I drive it today I'll see if I can get someone in the car with me taping it.

[Apparition]

just bumping to hear any updates. Just been following out of curiousity. Impressed with all your work. I'm having a hell of a time with just changing my own clutch. :D

[Jim96SC2]

How are you doing your wiring? On my SR I'm ending up cutting out about 3 feet of wirings to make it clean

[Nismo241]

WOW, I forgot about this thread. The car is awesome minus a couple of small details. The alternator wasn't working for a while, but I fixed it, the fuel pump fuse blew out a few times. I got my lights and stuff to work. The car drives awesome, one victim so far, I played with a GSX eclipse. The car pulls pretty strong. It's nothing incredibly impressive but it sounds awesome, and is fast for the money I put in it. I have made up a photo album of it, I don't remember if I put up an album or not, but I have about 130+ pics in it. Here is the link......http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290466361

You have to sign up, but it's free and easy, takes like 2 secs.

[Nismo241]

I finally got the dash back in and stuff. I shoe horned the R32 cluster in it. For now I have most everything working, no speedo as of yet though, but the dash will come out soon again so I can get every gauge working minus the boost and oil pressure. Here is a pic of teh cluster in the car.

[nrcooled]

I love it....absolutely love it! Congrats and it looks like a da_mn clean install for someone working out of their garage.

I don't know about the rest of the people on this board but I need video or a sound clip.

Once again congrats and good job!:D ;)

[AREITU]

I apologize for going off topic.

Through some thinking and unconventional methods, I actually discovered what one of the things that Ex Vi Termini blacked out was, and what it does! The magical component that dissapates heat from the head...
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Anyway, I may be doing an RB swap in the near future. The RB25 seems like it fits more easily than an RB20. Take apart one of the mounts and put it on backwards, and something else...while the RB20 seems to sit too far forward, etc.

Thank you for bestowing upon us, your RB swap adventure. It's rare to see someone open about it. I hope the RB swap dosen't become a fad by the time I can do the swap...

[Nismo241]

The RB20 fits easier from what I understand. You can just bolt up the R32 crossmember(which I didn't do) and everything else just bolts right up. The RB25 won't bolt up to the 240sx crossmember either. Plus with the 25 you have to get a custom driveshaft made, while the 20 you can use the stock one. But to be more off topic. This car is for sale right now. If interested E-mail me @ [email protected] OR AIM me @ NISMObuttnutz

[driftmaster0717]

really nice

[twitchy]

i dont understand...when you get a CLIP do you just take the parts out of it and put it into your car and throw out the shell or cut the front off your car and weld the clip on??

[misnomer]

That was the dumbest question I have ever heard. C'mon Twitchy, I expected better from you.

I'm sure it's possible to weld a clip on the front of a car, but that would do terrible things to the integrity of your unibody. It is a dumb idea. A terrible idea. Dummy.

When you get a clip, you take the parts you need for your car, and use the clip to show you where things need to go.

[twitchy]

easy there killer

I have seen cars which get halves welded together although its illegal thats why I thought it might be a possibility. It would obviously be a bad idea..I know since I had a new floor welded into my old car

So youd take things like wiring, the motor, cluster, rad, fans, etc and just junk the rest when done??

[AREITU]

Yes. You take everything you need and put it on the other car.

Getting a front clip is sometimes better than a motor set because there's a lot of small parts you might need, like vacuum hoses and small tiny obscure parts, that motor sets don't come with.

Hondas are an exception because all of their wiring harnesses are similar.

[souljourner]

Hey Nismo,

Any reason why you are selling your car after all this hard work?

[silviaparts.com]

Originally posted by souljourner
Hey Nismo,

Any reason why you are selling your car after all this hard work?

where did you see that he is selling it?

[Nismo241]

I'm selling it cause I need to move on with life I guess. Theres nothign wrong with it, I just need to start school and move out of my parents house.

[method2833]

hey nismo what kind of suspension are u using i noticed your signature says 3in got any pics i know its off topic but just curious

[Nismo241]

I have sprint springs with stock struts, and I heated a coil on them for an extra inch drop. Rightn ow I wish I hadn't cause the RB made it another 1/2 inch.

[souljourner]

Will your car pass emissions? or is there any way to make it pass?

Because, if I buy it, I need to change the ownership, and when I do, I have to get it e-tested.

Thanks a lot.

John

[Nismo241]

it should pass, I have cats on it, I'm going to try to go through DEQ here this weekend and I'll post back what I find out.

[souljourner]

hey thanks a lot Brandon.

BTW, what is DEQ?

John

[Nismo241]

DEQ is oregon emmisions. I'll tgake it through on saturday or monday.

[RedlineRacer]

I was looking at the pic of your gauge cluster. Did that bolt in perfect? Is the R32 dash almost the same as a S13?

[Nismo241]

nope, actually it doesn't bolt down at all. It barely fits, I had to cut the backing of my dash away to make it fit

[RefriedNismo240]

what did u do about the radiator?? Did u have to move it? I heard there are clearance issues with the existing fan, did u get aftermarket cooling fans? Also with buying the front clip what other parts did u have to buy when doing this swap? You said u used the stock KA driveshaft or was it the rb?

Thanks, if u ever answer this old thread

[Nismo241]

The KA radiator wouild owrk, but I used the R32 one anyways. I didn;t buy anythign else other than little odds and ends, but nothing major. I'm using the fan from the AC condensor to cool the radiator cause the stock clutch fan won;t fit. I also used the KA driveshaft, but in order for it to fit, you have to cut away the shield on the back of the RB tranny.

[chokudoriS13]

Wait, so is the car actually up and running? I'm thinking of doing the RB swap over the summer... Can you post pics of the final setup?

[Nismo241]

here is the motor as of 3 days ago

[Nismo241]

here is an interior shot of my cluster, which is out now and sold

[Nismo241]

Just an update on the car, stock turbo finally let go. I replaced it with a Z31 T3. EVerything bolted up but the flange for the collector pipe off of the O2 ensor housing hits the steering column, so I had to cut it off. I'll just have to have the exhaust shop deal with it. So far I've taken it to PIR night drags, with a clogged up fuel filter shifting at 6K out of the 8700 rev limit and a 2.7 60ft I ran a [email protected], since then I fixed the filter, turned up the boost to aboput 15lbs, and drove it for asbout 2 months, then the turbo gave out. as soon as I can get it running well agian, I'll take it to the track and see what I can do.

[PARAD0X]

that sucks man, but keep us updated as to whats going on with the car.

[Rownan]

Just curious, what fuel pump did you end up slapping in to feed this puppy?




Tim
www.projectaspec.com