Looking for: Cheapest xxr/sportmax supplier on the net.

[Trutrax]

like the title says...I'm looking for the cheapest deal I can get on sportmax/xxr on the world wide web. Post the website if you got one.

[CrimsonRockett]

Seriously?

As if XXR wheels weren't cheap enough as it is.

[Pank]

ebay/the garbage

[Trutrax]

Seriously?

As if XXR wheels weren't cheap enough as it is.


does it sound like I'm joking.

[Pank]

oh shit he's getting angry

watch out

[Hashiriya415]

it's not listed on the web, but if you take a trip to where they make them, China or Taiwan, or Philippines you can actually buy a set for like $100 on the streets.
I'm not making this up because I know someone that has bought stuff cheap like this.
It only cost them like what $20 to make set of 4 wheels at those factories. Because the workers only get about 20 cents an hour. so the recycled metal is around 20 cents a pound and its around 20lbs per wheel so that's 80lbs, which is about $16 for the metal + other costs of running the factory. This is my best guess out of my head compared to when buying stuff directly.

[silpena]

so the answer is to go china or taiwan hmmmm.....

[Kaizen.]

Chinatown, pawnshop?


http://zilvia.net/f/wheels-tires/233419-300-xxr-sportsmax-002-16x8-0-4x114-3-100-set-4-tires.html

[Hashiriya415]

yes you can do it in a very cheap way too, get a small boat and go across the sea, (I saw it on the news this guy on a little boat, spent 12months in the sea, I forgot where he was going) Or hang out with some rich people that always fly so you might get a free flight

[jrocslider]

how poor do you have to be to not be able to buy sportmax at retail price? just save your money

[Edgar]

is this a joke? i know they went up in pricing but damn.
paint your steelies or something.

[murda-c]

Maybe he wants to get the most for his money.

or rather spend the least money on his curb crackers.

[bejota180sx]

you guys want to know how much most dealers in pr sell sportmaxes for?? a friend of mine wasted 1,500 on some sportmaxes... and rotas go gor 1200 or something like that... with crappy nankang tires... imagine how much people sell work,volk,rays,gramlights... stuff like that for... everyone rides on damm sportmaxes and rotas...

and people are stupid enough to pay for it when dealers on here sell them for like 800 shipped!!

[repda916]

i got my 962's for $150 and all my se's haha:mephfawk::keke:

[Trutrax]

try coming to Canada and saying how cheap they are. The difference in currency coupled with import fees make pretty much a $600 set of wheels over 1 grand. I've yet to see any website... thanks

[ThatGuy]

Make a friend in Buffalo.

Buy them from a vendor here and have them shipped to him.

Drive to his house (~2 hours away) and pick them up.

Smile at your success in obtaining knock-off crap.

[s13gebala]

Im looking into buying a set of 501's to, just because there priced low, look fine, good offset/width.

What other rims can fit nicely and run 225's for 300$?

[used240sxparts]

And this is why soooo many companies have been going out of business.

Thanks!

[firelizard]

try coming to Canada and saying how cheap they are. The difference in currency coupled with import fees make pretty much a $600 set of wheels over 1 grand. I've yet to see any website... thanks

Ok.
Sportmax is cheap.

[smelly240]

Just rock stock wheels poorboy.

[Phlip]

try coming to Canada and saying how cheap they are. The difference in currency coupled with import fees make pretty much a $600 set of wheels over 1 grand. I've yet to see any website... thanks

Copout, the Canadian dollar is worth more these days.
I am not going to knock you for wanting what you want, but I WILL for wanting them for cheaper than cheap.

[BillWatcher]

What wheel is the 002 a knock off of? I have never seen it..... Pics gogogogo!

[Trutrax]

wow, all these post and not one with any site. Thanks for all your bullshit opinions that I never asked for.

[Edgar]

wow, all these post and not one with any site. Thanks for all your bullshit opinions that I never asked for.

:mephfawk::mephfawk::mephfawk::mephfawk::mephfawk: :mephfawk::mephfawk:

[ThatGuy]

Try this: CLICK HERE! (http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=Buy+XXR+wheels)

[zaquanh]

in this condition im sure u can get them cheap
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/zaquanh/CIMG1221.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/zaquanh/CIMG1222.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/zaquanh/CIMG1223.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/zaquanh/CIMG1225.jpg

[S14TEENZ]

???? whats wrong with sportmaxes i like them......

[JDMB0iKT]

Ebay has them for like $390 shipped, the sportmax 002 16x8 +0 that is.

[zaquanh]

???? whats wrong with sportmaxes i like them......


did you not see the pictures i just posted , lmao
thats whats wrong with sport max lmao

[gunluvS14]

damn, that's from driving around? or beat the hell drifting/pothole hitting?

[Brian]

Guys, don't come in here bashing knock off products.

I thought you fucking assholes knew better by now.

fuck you all.


Ehhh, Phlip, How's that?
I know YOU will appreciate that.

[S14TEENZ]

ok besides being a moron and drivin into curbs...they look good .. fair price....and its the thing to do to 240sx....like spoons on a civic....and sex on a bed

[ThatGuy]

ok besides being a moron and drivin into curbs...they look good .. fair price....and its the thing to do to 240sx....like spoons on a civic....and sex on a bed

XXR's are the thing to do on 240s?



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[S14TEENZ]

i mean 962s....yea my bad..

[zaquanh]

damn, that's from driving around? or beat the hell drifting/pothole hitting?
lol
my friend hit a curb , he was goin like 40 or so , spun the car and hit both sides , shattered like glass

[firelizard]

I think you mean "like Rotas on a Civic", to be accurate.

Like Phlip, I'm not gonna go off about quality and knockoffs and whatever, because that obviously doesn't matter to you.

But man. XXR is already cheap.

[ThatGuy]

i mean 962s....yea my bad..

:duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
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[landins13]

lol
my friend hit a curb , he was goin like 40 or so , spun the car and hit both sides , shattered like glass

do me a favor and take a 2000 set of works / wolks and crash them into a curb at 40 and put up pics of that,

if you want to learn how to drift and not kill yourself on costs buy cheap wheels for a little while then get something nice, not everyone is a parking lot queen who spends 2 grand on wheels,

i dont drift but i drag race on stealies because they were cheap and can handle my 26x10.5 M/T ET streets.



buy wheels for functionality, if you are trully worried about weight and "cheap knock offs" buy some old school jdm shit that doesnt weigh a damn thing.

i dont put knock off shit on my car, and i dont care if someone else does, do what you gotta do to enjoy your car, if for some of you that means suckin cock in an alley to get a set of works thats your own damn business but leave someone with a legit question or concern alone.

ignorant ethugs kill the car community

[DUFFM4N]

cheapest sportmax/xxr dealer?

thats like asking for the cheapest heroine dealer....drugs are bad, and so are sportmax


ok besides being a moron and drivin into curbs...they look good .. fair price....and its the thing to do to 240sx....like spoons on a civic....and sex on a bed

you sir, should not be allowed to mod a car...comparing sportmax to spoons?!

slap yourself please

www.kthnxbye.com















^lol if you clicked it

[Trutrax]

yeah, I saw them on Ebay. I'm looking for a different model. The xxr 504 in 4lug pattern.

[CrimsonRockett]

Someone post up pictures of the S14 that hopped a curb and hit a tree at that one meet.

Oh, and the VS-XX crumpled at the track on the green S14 zenki.

Both legit wheels. Both wrecked at high speeds.

Neither shattered into pieces.

[S13shaka]

I think this thread earns a nomination for the saddest thread of 2009 award

[Matej]

Hey guys, I've crashed Sportmaxes into a curb. The curb shattered and I drove home.

[ThatGuy]

Hey guys, when I had Sportmaxes I crashed them into a curb. The curb shattered and I drove away.

That's only because you let Brian Spilner pee on them before you put tires on them. You could drive with no tires, over a diamond road and they wouldn't see any damage, after that "Treatment".

[420sx]

wow. if you think 400 bucks for a set of wheels is too much, you should just stick with stock, just clean them up real good and get good low pro tires. it makes no sense to buy crappy wheels either, save your money and get at least fnrc level wheels.

[mrmephistopheles]

What wheel is the 002 a knock off of? I have never seen it..... Pics gogogogo!

Is this a joke? Really?

Guys, don't come in here bashing knock off products.

I thought you fucking assholes knew better by now.

fuck you all.


WTF am I in some mirror universe?


wow. if you think 400 bucks for a set of wheels is too much, you should just stick with stock, just clean them up real good and get good low pro tires. it makes no sense to buy crappy wheels either, save your money and get at least fnrc level wheels.

Truth. Many quality manufacturers make affordable wheels. Not everything can be 'melted-down soda can cheap'.

[Trutrax]

oh my fuckking god. Talk about useless... just lock this tread.

[Brian]

haha, Kevin.

no, no, you are still on earth.

I just wanted to give a "mod approved" response to the topic at hand.

I sure as heck don't want to speak out against the junk parts.

:)

[VROOOM]

buy some Enkei RPF1's they are decently priced and light too.

[A Spec Products]

What is happening to Zilvia man....much less the S chassis community

Half assing doesn't equate to a end result you can take pride in

Back in the day having a "ghetto" S13/14 was totally a different thing as what it is now

Being "ghetto" before was putting a Home Depot lip on your S13, but you had JIC coilovers on it and other quality parts

Now it seems like rattle can counts as a paint job, and spending as little as possible on quite the most defining part of your car (i.e wheels) is the thing to do

Just because your car was "cheap" doesn't mean you treat it "cheaply"

Don't have enough money now for good wheels? Then wait, save your money, and get good wheels the first time

You don't gotta be a "baller" just gotta be patient and do things the "right" way

[boostdd]

Bagging on sportmaxs LOL , yet some have there bumpers on with zip ties, didn't know we were so worried about high priced quality parts

[A Spec Products]

Bagging on sportmaxs LOL , yet some have there bumpers on with zip ties, didn't know we were so worried about high priced quality parts

Using zipties to attach fiberglass bumpers prove to be a functional choice for a couple reasons:

- easy ability to attach/remove bumper
- if bumper is hit, the bumper comes off and breaks the ziptie, rather than breaking the fiberglass in the area if you use a screw or bolt

It hardly equates to being a quality issue

And quality doesn't mean high priced, but yes, quality parts are often priced according to their level of R&D, material costs, and quality control costs

I think the main lesson in all of this is just do YOU, mod your car how you want, and then after you go through your experiences, reevaluate and learn from your mistakes

Someday it will all make sense and you'll see why some people are such sticklers for doing it right the first time

[HyperTek]

^regarding zipties, some like it because it saves the kit from breaking fiberglass.. i know ive broke zipties going up driveways/speed bumps, better to have the kit pop off when it gets pressure, than to have it break.

to the op, try locally, hit up some local shops or even wheel/tire shops, they might get them for you, at least it will be way cheaper then paying for shipping, save you some money there dude. Make friends with the local rice tuning shops, they will usually hook you up if you build a friendship with em.

I dislike xxr/sportmaxxs for obvious reasons. Its just funny how they advertise "2/3 piece wheels"... I had a friend curb crash some knock off mesh wheels that had a chrome lip, spokes where black, and the chrome lip came off, its like a chrome trim dish that wraps around the face.. So they consider it a 2 piece lol

[Trutrax]

I'm not gonna spend 1.5-2g on rims just so I can fuck them up with curb rash or have them stolen.


I actually like the xxr 504 style over many, many other brands/styles of wheels.

Why do you all feel so offended and threatened. You all need to take a step back and calm your ass down. I simply asked for a website that supplys really good deals on xxr. Nothing more, nothing less...instead I get a bunch of elitist dicks who instead of answering my question, decide to go off a tangent. Get your heads outa your ass, we can't all afford your jdm imported, overly expensive product. I don't give two shits if you don't agree and think I shouldn't even bother buying rims if I can't afford the same type of product that goes on 40,000+ supra's and nsx's. I like the style, the price is right and the quality is good, because if it wasn't, then someone woulda died by now drifting on them and sued them for all their worth.
/rant



all that being said, I can see now that I'm not going to get any of my questions answered...so just lock this bitch down.

[Pank]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

What wheel is the 002 a knock off of? I have never seen it..... Pics gogogogo!

Old Watanabe wheels. Kind of like RS-8's
or maybe it was enkei.

Whatever it is, its not a new design

[drftwerks]

here is a tip






























dont live in
CANADA.

[boostdd]

That's the key , move LOL
Honestly the ziptie thing I see the function and I use zipties myself
I know xxr aren't a quality piece but hey I'd use them , but if I could afford a better wheel I'd might or might not buy it

I had ssrs, volks, works, that was before I had a house payment, I'd rather sport xxr than steelies ,

[BustedS13]

Copout, the Canadian dollar is worth more these days.
I am not going to knock you for wanting what you want, but I WILL for wanting them for cheaper than cheap.

1 Canadian dollar = 0.849113 U.S. dollars

Sad Trombone (http://www.sadtrombone.com)

wow, all these post and not one with any site. Thanks for all your bullshit opinions that I never asked for.

Sad Trombone (http://www.sadtrombone.com)

here is a tip






























dont live in
CANADA.

Instant Rimshot (http://www.instantrimshot.com/)

[FaLKoN240]

I too prefer Sport maxx to that of Work or Volk.

Also, who cares if they shatter when you crash into a curb?

Its cheaper to buy a new one than to repair an expensive wheel.

Work barrels= MONEY.

Trust me, I know. :(

But yeah. LOL at I prefer sportmaxx to any (insert name brand japanese wheel). Stop fucking lying.

[S13shaka]

^nah steelies are better than sportmaxxes

I just dont get how ppl actually tell other people they have sportmaxxes on their car, I would feel so embaressed

[Pank]

^nah steelies are better than sportmaxxes

I just dont get how ppl actually tell other people they have sportmaxxes on their car, I would feel so embaressed

esp these:
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/200/260/260-3105112_1.jpg

pretend you drive a custom van!
also, they're 1/3rd the cost of XXR's

[1five10]

Haven't you guys noticed yet....people buy what they can afford. That's why knockoffs and the cheap stuff will always be around. Many of the younger 240 guys don't give a shit what's on their car as long as it's driveable. I've been to some 240 meets and wonder how some of the cars actually made it there.

[Matej]

I just dont get how ppl actually tell other people they have sportmaxxes on their car, I would feel so embaressed
Thank you for building your car to please me.

[VQMaxFan]

This makes me onder if the OP can even afford tires for the rims if he is looking for xxr's at the cheapest price lol

[SuicidnS13]

how poor do you have to be to not be able to buy sportmax at retail price? just save your money

As poor as the OP duh!!! LMAO

[BillWatcher]

Is this a joke? Really?

No joke my friend, I am sorry I am not up to date on wheels like you.

[dirtdiggler666]

dude im not going to bash you its all ready been done

but you could allways pick up some used fn01rc's they go for like 500-600

[bejota180sx]

fno1rc's are so fucking ugly to me... nice fitment sometimes but yeah ugly... not my type of wheel... im not saying sportmaxes are any better but people build they're cars around how cheap they can find they're wheels...

if people think they're car looks good with sportmaxes let them... but i prefer somebody who likes theyre sportmaxes than somebody just get some fno1rcs or whatever wheel just because theyre cheap and have good fitment... i don't care when people have rotas or sportmaxes who cares... in PR EVERYONE has them... cause nobody brings anything else and people don't like the idea of shipping wheels since usps and ups damages them most of the time and sucks at repaying saying bad packaging...

im tired of all the bashing of people who want to use sportmaxes or rotas... yes they suck but leave them who cares at least they are building they're cars to what they want and not what everyone already has in this forum every car looks the same... they all look nice but they look the same thats what sucks... no progress in ideas or something or originality...

but if you have to get sportmaxes for any reason dammit don't go saying you paid blah blah blah money for them they are fucking cheap! how can you want them cheaper!



there another rant from me... i don't feel like answering so don't bother commenting to me just read it and take it however you want...


ps. like i stated i get cars with rotas and sportmaxes everyyyy day... people pay close to $1,5k with nankang tires for sportmaxes in 18 bad offset and rotas go for about $1k with even worse tires... also 18 and bad offset... so guess how much gramlights and stuff like that goes for... so most of you should feel lucky you can get those wheels dirt cheap compared to here... btw guess how much my falken tires cost me on my old 15 wheels? about 500 bucks(maybe a bit more...) some 205-60-15 ziex... all with the shipping complain on how they are expensive to bring here... like were in friggin australia or some shit like that... and im fucked cause citytireonline doesn't ship to us if not id be ordering some nice tires everytime i need them instead of paying bullshit prices for nankangs and stuff like that...

[blanco]

Hey guys.

I paid 300 for used 962's and i can't really complain. Of course if i wasn't a college student or if i seriously wanted to build a nice car, i would buy nice wheels, but since this is just a hobby and also a budget "build," i can live with knockoffs. I mean, even version aero is knockoff.

To the OP, just try getting some used XXRs, people sell them for super cheap if brand new is too expensive for you.

I've had 002's and 962's and i've never had a problem with either of them, but then again, i doo try to avoid hitting curbs.

I know some of ya'll are gonna hate, but its cool, i'd just rather spend my money elsewhere.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/koukimonster34/S13/1229644482198.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/koukimonster34/S13/sujameet.png

[Brian]

Okay look, I'm sick of you fucking immature pieces of shit.


You guys are going to build drift cars.
There is no point in buying quality expensive parts.
You are going to crash while street drifting and smash the wheels and curb. What is the point of getting expensive "works or wolks" as somebody else said.

I'm so tired of you fuckers and your opinions.

Sportmax makes great wheels and who cares if they are knockoffs. FUCK the real company.


Obaba x Change collabo.

[Matej]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/koukimonster34/S13/1229644482198.jpg
Your car is awesome.
Japan wishes they had XXR.

[Fries]

Okay look, I'm sick of you fucking immature pieces of shit.


You guys are going to build drift cars.
There is no point in buying quality expensive parts.
You are going to crash while street drifting and smash the wheels and curb. What is the point of getting expensive "works or wolks" as somebody else said.

I'm so tired of you fuckers and your opinions.

Sportmax makes great wheels and who cares if they are knockoffs. FUCK the real company.


Obaba x Change collabo.

Sarcastic guy seems not so sarcastic.

I'm not going to read this thread. It'll be a bunch of people whining about which wheels are better, when it all probably comes down to this dudes available income.
Yes he could probably save for months and months and get Works. [Or maybe he's so broke he saved for months and months only to afford XXRs]
Maybe he didn't even know XXRs are knockoffs until now.

Personally I'd rather see a whole bunch of s13s on XXRs than on stock wheels. Yes they're shitty, but they look better than stock.

Fuck it.
Dude, get a boat go to China. Cheapest there.

Seriously though Brian, I thought you had a change of heart really quick about wheels. Took a second to see you were being sarcastic. :rofl:

[madd ocx]

well the debate of sportmaxx has been dragged through the mud:zzz: i hve a set and have no problems. i've hit many a potholes on the f**cked up nyc streets and they have held up. to the op you are not going to get your answer in this thread, just look around on ebay you might find a deal. i bought mines from edgeracing.com a while back so can try that as well. at the end of the day everyone copies everyones s**t so give it a rest.

[Pank]

Okay look, I'm sick of you fucking immature pieces of shit.


You guys are going to build drift cars.
There is no point in buying quality expensive parts.
You are going to crash while street drifting and smash the wheels and curb. What is the point of getting expensive "works or wolks" as somebody else said.

I'm so tired of you fuckers and your opinions.

Sportmax makes great wheels and who cares if they are knockoffs. FUCK the real company.


Obaba x Change collabo.

hypothetical situation

you need wheels in 3 days and you are poor

$300 17x9 +0 steelies. Jegs, lets say. crappy gloss black, or rattle canned or something.

$400 17x9 +25 rota/xxr's arguably prettier, at least the original wheels that they knocked off.

WHAT DO YOU DO?!

also, this thread could literally go on forever

see, watch

rotas are good wheels

no they arent

sportmax's arent bad

no they suck, idiot.

you're dumb they are ok for drift cars, i saw it on xxx car and also xxxx car they also have megan coilovers

save up and get the real thing

i dont have the money and i want to buy something now

save it and get good stuff once

no i dont wanna.

sr is better than ka-t

no its not

yes it is

no

yes

no

yes

[Brian]

hypothetical situation

you need wheels in 3 days and you are poor

$300 17x9 +0 steelies. Jegs, lets say. crappy gloss black, or rattle canned or something.

$400 17x9 +25 rota/xxr's arguably prettier, at least the original wheels that they knocked off.

WHAT DO YOU DO?!

also, this thread could literally go on forever


Choice C.

You keep your stock wheels and tires, but instead

YOU BUY a "FReddy" intake manifold for your SR20 that was built in 1989 in Japan which was driven for 10 years and then sat in a junkyard for another 5 until it was imported to the US with 100 other similar engines. You buy the FReddy intake manifold to give you TONS of extra horsepower for that engine so that you can drive it around the streets and not get hassled because you have a paintjob from the spraypaint cage section of Home Depot. Then you hope it doesn't get stolen someday because you will kill yourself.

the end.

[Pank]

I have a stock KA in my s14 and s13 wheels on my rx7, why am i even in this thread.

anyway

ADDITIONAL BONUS QUESTION:

why don't people poopoo MB Wheels?
aren't they basically the same thing as XXR/Sportmax?

[Fries]

I have a stock KA in my s14 and s13 wheels on my rx7, why am i even in this thread.

anyway

ADDITIONAL BONUS QUESTION:

why don't people poopoo MB Wheels?
aren't they basically the same thing as XXR/Sportmax?

Cause dey aint got no bling so dey ok fo drifting.
DuH.

I <3 this thread.

[Brian]

I don't know.

They are more "jdm" I suppose.

[nasadriver]

I have a stock KA in my s14 and s13 wheels on my rx7, why am i even in this thread.

anyway

ADDITIONAL BONUS QUESTION:

why don't people poopoo MB Wheels?
aren't they basically the same thing as XXR/Sportmax?

because people who drive 1,500 dollar cars feel more secure about themselves and their cars when they have 3,000 dollar coilovers and 2,500 wheels, all while on a stock ka.

i have some sportmax on my 240, hit about 200 potholes in downtown l.a., wheels still look brand spanking new. especially since the op is four lug, us four luggers have very limited choices.

i didn't even know people still thought rotas were shitty, yeah, back in the day when people first started putting them on, but now they are some of the most common wheels you see on wrx's and tons of evo, i have seen a bunch of people run them at rally crosses with no problems.

brand whores that drive cheap ass old ass cars, i'll never get that.

[Brian]

I'm with NASAdriver over here.

you brand whores are idiots

You're just paying for the name.
a $10 part works just the same as a $500 part.

I can't believe some peopel are so shallow.

K Sport works just the same as Ohlins
Sportmax just the same as "work"
nankang just the same as Yokohama.

[Matej]

Why would anyone waste their money on a 240.
Everyone should just wait until they can buy a Porsche.

[Fries]

because people who drive 1,500 dollar cars feel more secure about themselves and their cars when they have 3,000 dollar coilovers and 2,500 wheels, all while on a stock ka.

i have some sportmax on my 240, hit about 200 potholes in downtown l.a., wheels still look brand spanking new. especially since the op is four lug, us four luggers have very limited choices.

i didn't even know people still thought rotas were shitty, yeah, back in the day when people first started putting them on, but now they are some of the most common wheels you see on wrx's and tons of evo, i have seen a bunch of people run them at rally crosses with no problems.

brand whores that drive cheap ass old ass cars, i'll never get that.

I fucking hate you.
Because you drive an old car you should only be able to purchase knock off wheels?

Just because they drive a wrx/evo doesnt mean they have good taste.
I would drive stock wheels on said cars before some heavy ass knockoffs.

You're thought process is so flawed that my head might actually implode. I usually talk shit about people who don't respect people for buying the best of everything for their car. You're the first that has talked shit about actually buying nice stuff. What in the fuck. This paragraph makes no sense because my brain has become a warm jelly.

I hate you and your stock suspension Rota jocking assfacetittybitch.

[Fries]

because people who drive 1,500 dollar cars feel more secure about themselves and their cars when they have 3,000 dollar coilovers and 2,500 wheels, all while on a stock ka.

i have some sportmax on my 240, hit about 200 potholes in downtown l.a., wheels still look brand spanking new. especially since the op is four lug, us four luggers have very limited choices.

i didn't even know people still thought rotas were shitty, yeah, back in the day when people first started putting them on, but now they are some of the most common wheels you see on wrx's and tons of evo, i have seen a bunch of people run them at rally crosses with no problems.

brand whores that drive cheap ass old ass cars, i'll never get that.

One more thing.
God hates you and I don't have a boner right now.

[Pank]

I have never seen nankangs on anything except ebay auctions.
do they even sell them in tire shops?

also, federals are the PBR of tires.

[95KA-Turbo]

Choice C.

You keep your stock wheels and tires, but instead

YOU BUY a "FReddy" intake manifold for your SR20 that was built in 1989 in Japan which was driven for 10 years and then sat in a junkyard for another 5 until it was imported to the US with 100 other similar engines. You buy the FReddy intake manifold to give you TONS of extra horsepower for that engine so that you can drive it around the streets and not get hassled because you have a paintjob from the spraypaint cage section of Home Depot. Then you hope it doesn't get stolen someday because you will kill yourself.

the end.

This might be the funniest thing I've ever read on zilvia, lolz.

[JAYTRON]

esp these:
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/200/260/260-3105112_1.jpg

pretend you drive a custom van!
also, they're 1/3rd the cost of XXR's

Where can you find those 4x114.3s though... I'm pretty sure alot of people would jump on these if they weren't in domestic sizes.

[SochBAT]

Cragar 3105112 - Cragar Nomad I Wheel - JEGS (http://www.jegs.com/i/Cragar/260/3105112/10002/-1)

jegs only has that one in 5lug.

[Pank]

its got a flat back, you can redrill them

Where can you find those 4x114.3s though... I'm pretty sure alot of people would jump on these if they weren't in domestic sizes.

5x4.5 = 5x114.3

diamond wheels makes steelies in basically any size/offset/bolt pattern you want.

they're only cool if you multi pin stripe them like a custom van

[Jimmy Up]

I honestly dont see the point of an argument. OP asked for the cheapest place to buy sportmax wheels. He wants to buy sportmax wheels. When he finds the cheapest place, he is going to buy sportmax wheels...

Someone set on a budget is not going to multiply that budget by 5 to get "baller" wheels, if I was shopping for a 240 and had cash for a 240, nothing you guys or anybody else could tell me could convince me to go buy a 350z...

Im just throwin this out there...

Good Night

[Pank]

the thing is, another 3 months of saving can get you real "used" wheels. If it wont, then you shouldn't be playing with cars.

3 months of saving isn't buying an additional 20k worth of car. thats a horrible analogy.

[Jimmy Up]

maybe...

Alright- I give up. There was no reason for me to get involved in this anyways, I was just a little bored. Take it easy pank

[BillWatcher]

the thing is, another 3 months of saving can get you real "used" wheels. If it wont, then you shouldn't be playing with cars.

3 months of saving isn't buying an additional 20k worth of car. thats a horrible analogy.


I mean really...... That first statement is pretty f'in stupid.... Do you not remember what its like being a student and such.... Just because you cant save for 3 months and buy nice wheels means you shouldnt be "playing" with cars. You make me want to pee up a pole :wtc:

[Brian]

I built my s14 while being a college student.

[BillWatcher]

Well you were most likely broke so you shouldn't have according to that guy.

[Brian]

Beats me.

I managed to build a drift car, get a regular car, and other things.

[ThatGuy]

If you're a student, then your priorities shouldn't be on building a car. That's just plain and simple common sense. Focus on your education, get a decent job, save up for LIFE, and throw in a project car where it fits.

I 100% agree that if you're just going to settle for knock-off or cheaply made parts, you shouldn't be building a car. A hobby is supposed to be enjoyable. How can you enjoy something that is done half-assed?

[Otto347]

How can you enjoy something that is done half-assed?I ask myself this same question. And the funny thing is the people that half ass shit are always the ones giving you the look like their shit is top notch :w00t:

[YoungGun]

This thread has produced many lolz.

Good luck with your search OP.

[1five10]

C'mon guys.....No need for a pissing contest....Every person is in a different financial position. If that's all he can afford, then that's all he can afford.

Look around at the next meet at the car and its owner. Usually the younger, still in school guys are the ones rolling the cheaper, least expensive wheels and modifications, while the older, more established guys are the ones with the ballin' wheels and mods. Check for yourself....

[Brian]

I hate all of you.
I hate "THATGUY" the most.

[bejota180sx]

I built my s14 while being a college student.
+1

im broke, i pay for myself in college and can't find a job right now and im still building my car to a nice quality... have to cheap out on something but don't lowball or try to get cheap parts even cheaper... if i CAN get it i will if i can't then i dont cheap out... so being in college isn't a excuse... if you can't afford it why the hell do you want it anywayz wait till you can buy something that will work... im not with the don't buy knockoffs... im with the stop buying cheap crap cause you don't want to wait a few months to save... i prefer to have 1 $500 parts that functions than 10 parts for that price that break or don't do crap... the problem is people want to finish everything in a year... cars take time to finish if we ever finish them...

[Otto347]

C'mon guys.....No need for a pissing contest....Every person is in a different financial position. If that's all he can afford, then that's all he can afford.

Look around at the next meet at the car and its owner. Usually the younger, still in school guys are the ones rolling the cheaper, least expensive wheels and modifications, while the older, more established guys are the ones with the ballin' wheels and mods. Check for yourself....Nah, I was a wheel whore from the get go.

[1five10]

I 100% agree that if you're just going to settle for knock-off or cheaply made parts, you shouldn't be building a car. A hobby is supposed to be enjoyable. How can you enjoy something that is done half-assed?

I can't believe you said that. Are you saying to just stay out of the hobby because you have no $$$$$$$? If that was true, more than half of the guys should just off this forum because their car is half-assed.

Stay within your means and build what you can. Starting out with cheap stuff makes him appreciate the better stuff later.

What was your first car? For most people, it was probably our mom and dad's hand-me-down. We were probably as happy as a kid in a candy store just to be driving around in something.

That's what our hobby of cars is about. You build something you can afford, then gradually move on to the better and faster things.

[Trutrax]

wow, alright. Just to let people know..I realize that you can't cheap out on everything. IE: ebay steering hub/ quikc release.. bought it, it was crap fitment and I didn't feel safe using it...so, I spent the $400 or so to get an nrg short hub, 2.5 quick release and a steering wheel. I want these rims because I like the style over all else and I feel they will be safe. Once again, just asking for a good website. One was mentioned above, and thanks whoever it was. Sadly they didn't have the 504 with black trim. I'm trying to find a site selling that model for roughly $150 a rim.

[ThatGuy]

I can't believe you said that. Are you saying to just stay out of the hobby because you have no $$$$$$$? If that was true, more than half of the guys should just off this forum because their car is half-assed.

Stay within your means and build what you can. Starting out with cheap stuff makes him appreciate the better stuff later.

What was your first car? For most people, it was probably our mom and dad's hand-me-down. We were probably as happy as a kid in a candy store just to be driving around in something.

That's what our hobby of cars is about. You build something you can afford, then gradually move on to the better and faster things.

Well, I said it, so read it again if you can't believe it.

Starting off with cheap crap will make you appreciate better parts down the line, certainly. It does so by making you realize you just wasted your money on CRAP PARTS. So what's wrong with me trying to give some sound advice that people should WAIT instead of buying CRAP PARTS?

Look at it this way. If you can't afford quality parts now, then you can't afford them later after you've already wasted money on CRAP PARTS. Because guess what, now you are paying "X" amount of dollars for the quality parts, on top of the "X" amount of money you already spent on the CRAP PARTS. Selling the CRAP PARTS will not get you back all the money you wasted.

[usdm180sx]

Fuck. If a clean ass car built with good quality parts bought at a good price was superman your car would be the bizarro version?

[1five10]

That Datsun 510 in my avatar is my car. It's a fully built KA24DET with ITB's from a GSX-R motorcycle. I used nothing but custom, name brand, high quality parts in my build. Parts included are: Garrett 2871R turbo, Crower rods, Ross Pistons, Cometic HG, Nismo 555cc injectors, JIM Wolf ECU, Sparco seats, SSR wheels, etc....The list goes on and on....This car was built in less than 3 months from the day I acquired it bone-stock from the original owner...This car is in addition to my 1991 hatch and 1998 Kouki.

There is a huge difference between cheap parts and crappy parts.
Sportmax is cheap when compared to Volks, Works, SSR's.
Does it work? Yes
Is it safe? Yes
Would I ever put them on my own car? HELL NO

Crappy parts are unknown name brand parts sold on ebay that don't work or fit. Those are the parts that I consider crappy and unsafe. I wouldn't recommend anyone buying those.

Many people are label and brand lovers in this 240 scene. I use the parts on my cars for its quality and the fact that I can afford them.

Like I said before, buy what you can afford, but understand that there is a huge difference and possibly life-endangering difference between cheap and crappy.

[clark]

wow, alright. Just to let people know..I realize that you can't cheap out on everything. IE: ebay steering hub/ quikc release.. bought it, it was crap fitment and I didn't feel safe using it...so, I spent the $400 or so to get an nrg short hub, 2.5 quick release and a steering wheel. I want these rims because I like the style over all else and I feel they will be safe. Once again, just asking for a good website. One was mentioned above, and thanks whoever it was. Sadly they didn't have the 504 with black trim. I'm trying to find a site selling that model for roughly $150 a rim.

you spent $400 on a quick release and short hub just so you can be cool and detach your steering wheel??? but you want to cheap out on rims.

i was dirt poor and i picked up some 350z rims and they grew on me and i love how they look on my coupe now.

seriously, make your zilvia brothers happy and don't buy sportmax.

[VROOOM]

Well, I said it, so read it again if you can't believe it.

Starting off with cheap crap will make you appreciate better parts down the line, certainly. It does so by making you realize you just wasted your money on CRAP PARTS. So what's wrong with me trying to give some sound advice that people should WAIT instead of buying CRAP PARTS?

Look at it this way. If you can't afford quality parts now, then you can't afford them later after you've already wasted money on CRAP PARTS. Because guess what, now you are paying "X" amount of dollars for the quality parts, on top of the "X" amount of money you already spent on the CRAP PARTS. Selling the CRAP PARTS will not get you back all the money you wasted.


exactly, my first car i built i did everything twice because i cheaped out on most parts. in the end i spent a ton more because i had to buy better parts. i NEVER cheap out on parts now. it ends up being more expensive in the long run. i learned the hard way, if people would listen to some of the more respected people on this site they may not have to find out the hard way.

[Brian]

....but they won't listen.

[1five10]

You guys forget that we have teenagers in the 240 scene. For some guys, this is their first car. Can you really expect them to wait and save money for a set of zilvia-approved wheels? I don't think so.

[VROOOM]

You guys forget that we have teenagers in the 240 scene. For some guys, this is their first car. Can you really expect them to wait and save money for a set of zilvia-approved wheels? I don't think so.


my 240sx was my first car as well.

[Brian]

1 510 - No, you can't expect it.

Why is this a discussion?


Kids want everything RIGHT NOW.
they can't afford good parts, so they resort to buying shitty cheap parts.

End of story.


Shit parts are the same as quality parts in every way except the price.

fuck you all.

[usdm180sx]

The op shouldn't have started a stupid thread like this. He just labeled himself. He should have just researched on his own.

[madd ocx]

lol, i think if everyone listened to the "experienced zilvia brothers" there would probably not be too many ka-t's out there:blah: everyone would be rocking sr's and works, :rofl:

[Trutrax]

The op shouldn't have started a stupid thread like this. He just labeled himself. He should have just researched on his own.

I really don' care what some people may think of my choice or opinion. I researched and came up short. Then turned to ask if anyone knew of a good site.

As for the moronic post above about getting a quick release... heard of theft deterrent, dick.

[Pank]

Beats me.

I managed to build a drift car, get a regular car, and other things.

something tells me there was a lot of saving involved.


Anyway, what I don't understand is when people get on forums, look at cars like, for example Taka Uenos soarer, and think "man thats a neat car, i want my car to look like that", and then buy a ebay body kit that sorta looks like it, and XXRs that kind of look like his volks and get D2 coils that make the car kind of low like his, and then wonder why their car doesnt look like it/handle like it.

Its not like the fancy cars have magical parts that only they get. They cost the same amount of money. (besides sponsorships/1offs) A lot of the "big dog" cars got their parts from saving, or working overtime.

I dont save or do work all that much, thats why my cars are on stock wheels.


basically what i'm saying is that i hate teenagers and am ashamed i was a teenager for a few years

[S13shaka]

You guys forget that we have teenagers in the 240 scene. For some guys, this is their first car. Can you really expect them to wait and save money for a set of zilvia-approved wheels? I don't think so.


you are missing the point completely.

the reason why ppl go with sportmaxxes and other knockoffs is bc they fail to do any type of research, they go for the crap option out of ignorance, sloth, and the fact that the advertisement is non stop. Money isnt an issue either bc there are better options at the desired price points.

and that is what is frustrating, bc ppl like the OP really could care less about making a sound decision, he's got his ego set on knockoffs and is too impatient to open his mind.

[articdragon192]

Eh, my S13 was stock for over a year. Once I could afford the quality parts I wanted, I got them. I'd rather ride stock then ride on crap only to upgrade later on to something I should have bought in the first place.

[racepar1]

ok besides being a moron and drivin into curbs...they look good .. fair price....and its the thing to do to 240sx....like spoons on a civic....and sex on a bed

i mean 962s....yea my bad..


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!


What a douche!


:duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh: :duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh::duh:

[1five10]

you are missing the point completely.

the reason why ppl go with sportmaxxes and other knockoffs is bc they fail to do any type of research, they go for the crap option out of ignorance, sloth, and the fact that the advertisement is non stop. Money isnt an issue either bc there are better options at the desired price points.

and that is what is frustrating, bc ppl like the OP really could care less about making a sound decision, he's got his ego set on knockoffs and is too impatient to open his mind.

If you think money isn't an issue, you're the one missing the point. You said it yourself- "he's got his ego set on knockoffs." If he could afford it, wouldn't you think he would buy the real thing instead of a knockoff.

The Vienna Dish made by SSR goes for $530/each , the knockoff Sportmax 504 $165/each. There's a huge price difference don't you think.

Like I said before, people will buy what they can afford.

[articdragon192]

Then they should save up so they can afford more.

[usdm180sx]

The people here who don't settle are the ones with the most bad assest cars. Done and done.

[Trutrax]

ugh, shut up. You guys are like women with designer purses. You see some bitch with a knockoff and turn your nose up and start bitching to your friends that she can't afford the real version. Saying how she shouldn't even be using that knockoff purse and should save up for the real one.

seriously, knockoff or not, it looks just as good and does exactly what the real one does.

honestly all I'm hearing are stuck up, snobby women.

[Brian]

sorry, this just seperates the high class people from the third class people.

the fakes = those that sunk with the Titanic
the authentics - those that sailed away in the lifeboats.

[Matej]

Why r the ppl with nice stuff such crybabies? Thought only poor ppl complain and/or r concerned with what others have.

Didn't know how serious this hobby was y'all, h8 this pressure [can't take it].

Thought cars were supposed 2 be fun, in over my head/too deep. :(

[1five10]

Then they should save up so they can afford more.
You act like you're Mr. Baller or something. Not everyone is into this game of cars as much as others. Haven't you noticed the diversity of the 240's scene age group. It ranges from 16 thru 40 years old, at least. That's probably the largest gap of all other car scenes. This gap also reflects the financial gap among 240 owners.

C'mon guys, I don't understand why you guys are sweating people for not wanting to go all crazy with their mods.

Like I said a thousand times before, people will always buy what they can afford. That's why knockoff companies will always be around, because people support them by buying their shit.

Like I said before, too, I wouldn't put any of that shit on my cars because I can afford not to.

Ideally, it would be awesome to buy a stock car and slowly build it with all the right "zilvia jock rider approved" parts. Judging from the meets and events I go to in SoCal, about 90% use their 240 as their daily driver because it's their ONLY driver.

[Brian]

shovel them into the furnace for more power!

[lflkajfj12123]

brian this is your final warning

if actions continue i'm pinking you for a month

[Trutrax]

-text omitted


thank you.

[mrmephistopheles]

lol, i think if everyone listened to the "experienced zilvia brothers" there would probably not be too many ka-t's out there:blah: everyone would be rocking sr's and works, :rofl:

Please STFU. Just because JDM fanbois insist that the SR is the end-all be-all of engines, not everyone on Zilvia agrees.


the reason why ppl go with sportmaxxes and other knockoffs is bc they fail to do any type of research, they go for the crap option out of ignorance, sloth, and the fact that the advertisement is non stop.

ppl like the OP really could care less about making a sound decision, he's got his ego set on knockoffs and is too impatient to open his mind.

Two very sound points. When I first got my car and was wheel shopping, I only looked in car mags and didn't give a shit about quality or fitment - they hadn't entered into the equation, as I assumed all wheels were of the same quality, and that fitment wasn't a concern for me.

That impatience you refer to is all too prevalent lately.

[tramp_drift240]

the fakes = those that sunk with the Titanic
the authentics - those that sailed away in the lifeboats.

win.


OP, originally, i wanted to buy some 002s. then i thought about it, got a job, saved three paychecks, and got the biggest set of Cr Kais there are.

done.

[Matej]

Used to have Sportmaxes.

Whatever.

Now have Works.

Whatever.

I know this waiting game. People building their cars, for years, talking about about how cool their car will be when it's finished. Driving their mom's minivan, car sitting in garage, never finished, or crashed into a wall within a month.

Meanwhile I was driving my 240 on Sportmaxes with a stock KA, always poor and broke, enjoying my car daily.

Whatever.

Random people would come up to me at gas stations telling me how great my wheels look wanting to know what they were.

I finally saved up and bought one of my favorite Works. Now people laugh at my car thinking it's on donk wheels.

Whatever.

I love my Works.

Pretty sure the Sportmaxes were stronger.

Life story, no regrets, moving forward, carpe diem.

Whatever.

h8/love y'all.

[mrmephistopheles]

What wheel is the 002 a knock off of? I have never seen it..... Pics gogogogo!

Just so you now know (although you claimed to be joking):

XXR 002 is a knockoff of Panasport Racing G7-C8S.


XXR 002
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7512/002silverlarge1fs6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Panasport Racing G7-C8S
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/263/29954507ha6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[1five10]

Used to have Sportmaxes. Two different sets.

Whatever.

Now have Works.

Whatever.

I know this waiting game. People building their cars, for years, talking about about how cool their car will be when it's finished. Never finishing, or crashing into a wall within a month.
Meanwhile I was driving on Sportmaxes with a stock KA, always poor and broke, enjoying my car daily.

Whatever.

Random people would come up to me at gas stations telling me how great my wheels look wanting to know what they were.

I finally saved up and bought one of my favorite Works. Now people laugh at my car thinking it's on donk wheels.

Whatever.

I love my Works.

Pretty sure the Sportmaxes were stronger.

Life story, no regrets, moving forward, carpe diem.

Whatever.

Perfect example of what I've been trying to prove the whole time. He started with Sportmaxes because that's all he could afford at the time, then moved up to the Works when he was able to afford them.

Why wait for the Works, when you can be stylin and profilin' on some cheap ass Sportmaxes (according to the jdm, name brand lovin' zilvia nut riders) while you're saving up for the Works.

Would I put Sportmaxes on my cars? HELL NO

Once again, people buy what they can afford.....

[tramp_drift240]

alright ill agree.

i have a feeling the only reason i went ahead and saved and bought my works is because its sitting in front of my garage waiting for an engine swap.

XXR is still wack.

[Pank]

Just so you now know (although you claimed to be joking):

XXR 002 is a knockoff of Panasport Racing G7-C8S.


XXR 002
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7512/002silverlarge1fs6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Panasport Racing G7-C8S
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/263/29954507ha6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

THERE it is.

I was way off.

I always wished there was a thread that listed the real wheel next to the knockoff.

[racepar1]

Sportmaxes are ugly, and heavy. If you want cheap wheels get some rotas or MB's. Hell I have MB competitions for my beater track wheels. Sportmaxes are the WORST thing to ever happen to 240's.

[SochBAT]

Sportmaxes are ugly, and heavy. If you want cheap wheels get some rotas or MB's. Hell I have MB competitions for my beater track wheels. Sportmaxes are the WORST thing to ever happen to 240's.

I coulda sworn it was Initial D. or 16 year olds.

I'd rock sportmaxxes.

[Hashiriya415]

ugh, shut up. You guys are like women with designer purses. You see some bitch with a knockoff and turn your nose up and start bitching to your friends that she can't afford the real version. Saying how she shouldn't even be using that knockoff purse and should save up for the real one.

seriously, knockoff or not, it looks just as good and does exactly what the real one does.

honestly all I'm hearing are stuck up, snobby women.

If you spent some time working in a shop doing wheel balance you would never ever consider buying a wheel from China or Taiwan.
When I used to do this daily I would see every 8 out of 10 wheels bent or very unbalanced. I see people buy wheels then come in a week bent without them even noticing they hit anything, now this is not just about sportmax but there is hardly any research done on cheap wheels that people spend 5 minutes designing and 10 minutes building. Only feedback they get is this and that wheel got bent, so in return they just add more and more metal making the wheel heavier, and sometimes it dosn't help.
To get your mind a little bit straight, aftermarket wheels are to fit bigger size tires and to shave off weight. Not to dress up a 240.
Car parts are not always comparable to a purses.
A purse hold like 1lbs of items in it like lip stick, gum comb, makeup, condom, dildo
Then you have your wheels which hold about 2800+ couple hundred more do to heavy cornering or acceleration

[boostdd]

this thread is hilarious

[bigOdom1]

my rationale has always been why get knockoff stuff when oem takeoff is so abundant. z32 wheels, g35, 350z, r32 are all the time for sale on here. by the time you get them and pay for a nice powdercoat or refinish you are still cheaper than sportmax. use that money saved on a good set of tires. not too mention that you are probably able to sell them for more than you could a set of sportmax come time to upgrade

[1989rps13]

Well, I said it, so read it again if you can't believe it.

Starting off with cheap crap will make you appreciate better parts down the line, certainly. It does so by making you realize you just wasted your money on CRAP PARTS. So what's wrong with me trying to give some sound advice that people should WAIT instead of buying CRAP PARTS?

Look at it this way. If you can't afford quality parts now, then you can't afford them later after you've already wasted money on CRAP PARTS. Because guess what, now you are paying "X" amount of dollars for the quality parts, on top of the "X" amount of money you already spent on the CRAP PARTS. Selling the CRAP PARTS will not get you back all the money you wasted.

It will certainly NOT get you back all the money you wasted on knockoffs BUT then again its a HOBBY that we each have on buying something that makes us happy for our cars. When people buy parts they dont buy them to satisfy YOU or other zilvians who say NO KNOCKOFFS!. They buy them because they want to see their cars transform into something else and if you stop by and look the MAJORITY of the users here have certainly atleast 1 KNOCKOFF PART THAT THEY ARE ROCKING. Many young teenagers who buy coils, expensive wheels etc. are in debt. Which is pretty sad.

I myself dont rock any knockoff parts YET but did buy weak offset fn's and in size when i didnt know bettter on how horrible the car will turn out after on coils. People live and learn. With all the extra cash the OP can save to buy the groceries, pay cellphone bill, and most importantly SAVE UP. So to the OP id say get the sportmax fuck all these bandwagoners that dump tons of money and in the end want every penny out of it. See for yourself in the car for sale section these chumps trying to sell their 20yr.old bucket with a kbb value of 500-1000 for 15k-20k. My last advice and most important SAVE SAVE SAVE SAVE your MONEY.

[!Zar!]

What's next, "Where is the cheapest .99c store?"

[BustedS13]

ugh, shut up. You guys are like women with designer purses. You see some bitch with a knockoff and turn your nose up and start bitching to your friends that she can't afford the real version. Saying how she shouldn't even be using that knockoff purse and should save up for the real one.

seriously, knockoff or not, it looks just as good and does exactly what the real one does.

honestly all I'm hearing are stuck up, snobby women.

yup.
wasting money on 2000 dollar wheels instead of, you know, saving money. bling bling, gais.

[ChristopherL]

Why does everyone seem to think the knock-off's do exactly what the real ones do? The reason you buy 2k+ Volks is to eliminate the excessive weight of a larger rim with larger tires on it. The lighter the rims the better for your suspension, more response, better grip=Being able to avoid curbs. Sportmax do not do what volks do. I've slid off the track and bashed the hell out of my volks driving right back on the track, not bent, not cracked. And you CAN find used volks for cheaper AND in four bolt. I would rather rock a set of used Volks than a cheap knock-off anyday.

[Phlip]

I should have closed this fucking thread days ago.
Good job as usual, folks.