FULL-RACE Turbo kit...

[JDS13]

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I just got my hands on another S13 coupe (http://zilvia.net/f/chat/231838-full-race-turbo-kit.html#) with a sr20de,greedy oil pan, nismo 550cc injectors, and 3" cat-back.
Looking to add this kit. How can i run the oil lines,n cooling lines. Would i have to tap the block or not? Thanks

[jrbump]

You want to drop over 3k on a turbo kit for an NA motor and you don't know if you should tap the pan or not?

Just give me 2k and I will blow your engine up still na. That's over 1k in savings for you.

[shmiddy]

You want to drop over 3k on a turbo kit for an NA motor and you don't know if you should tap the pan or not?

Just give me 2k and I will blow your engine up still na. That's over 1k in savings for you.

holy shit, give the kid a break

[JDS13]

Thanks 4 u help! Has anyone tried the kit on a na, or a det? I dont want to get a sr20det. When it has a sr20de. Never had a RWD sr20de, wanted to add this turbo kit. I really dont want to keep upgrading turbos. Just get one full kit. Thats why i was asking!

[JDS13]

You want to drop over 3k on a turbo kit for an NA motor and you don't know if you should tap the pan or not?

Just give me 2k and I will blow your engine up still na. That's over 1k in savings for you.

Why not if it has a sr20de. Do the math.Get a sr20det no turbo, bout $1100 to $1500 then add a good turbo kit. Thats over 3K already. So whats ur point.

[lok]

why are you running 550s on a NA motor.

[JDS13]

That what the car came with

[jrbump]

I don't think that's a bad kit.

I think you asking about that kit but wondering about a basic part of boosting a NA motor is the problem.

[smelly240]

YOU COULD JUST LET THE OIL DRAIN ON THE GROUND :p

just kidding - DONT DO THAT! :D

for serious tho - the oil pan isnt THAT hard to pull and put a bung or even a bulkhead fitting on (upper pan i mean - not the steel guy)

I HAVE HAD GOOD SUCCESS IN THE PAST WITH BULKHEAD -10 FITTINGS! they are easy and reliable.

[alzahakar]

With a kit of that caliber, you will more than likely need to put in lower compression pistons. All in all, if you want a turbo SR, sell yours and get a SR20det redtop for like 1400-1500 and save yourself the headache of converting a NA to a turbo. Besides, that is a turbo upgrade kit for a SR20DET, says so right at the top of the page.

SR20DET (RWD) Twinscroll GT30R Turbo Package

Not only would you have the bottom end work of your current NA engine to deal with, but you would also have more cost due to the fact that you are running a NA ECU and would need a fuel management system of some kind + tuning to make this run even close to right without blowing it up. So now you have the 3 grand from the kit, plus another 400-900 for a FMIC setup or 200ish for the stock SR20DET side mount setup, then another 300-400 for a piggyback to manage your fuel then another 300-600 for tuning. Not looking so good anymore, is it?

[JDS13]

YOU COULD JUST LET THE OIL DRAIN ON THE GROUND :p

just kidding - DONT DO THAT! :D

for serious tho - the oil pan isnt THAT hard to pull and put a bung or even a bulkhead fitting on (upper pan i mean - not the steel guy)

I HAVE HAD GOOD SUCCESS IN THE PAST WITH BULKHEAD -10 FITTINGS! they are easy and reliable.

Thankz man. It has a greedy oil pan, ill just tap it. ILL tell u guys how the kit feels. Also i have a jwt ecu already, gonna send it to get reprogramed. Well see how it goes with the sr20de:cool:

[alzahakar]

Thankz man. It has a greedy oil pan, ill just tap it. ILL tell u guys how the kit feels. Also i have a jwt ecu already, gonna send it to get reprogramed. Well see how it goes with the sr20de:cool:

Pics of how many pieces you pull out of that Greddy oil pan would be nice.

[JDS13]

ok thanks. pics coming...

[blueshark123]

So how much boost u planning on running, cause this is going to blow if u dont rebuild ur engine :duh:

[McCoy]

Besides, that is a turbo upgrade kit for a SR20DET, says so right at the top of the page.
Do YOU even know the difference between a RWD DE and DET?!? Here's a hint, all the parts off a SR20DET bolted right onto my SR20DE with the exception of water/oil lines which were pretty easy to resolve. To drill/tap for the oil return is not that hard either... easier than swapping motors that's for sure.

They probably stated SR20DET because that's what 98% of the S-chassis owners are throwing into their car.


you would also have more cost due to the fact that you are running a NA ECU and would need a fuel management system of some kind + tuning to make this run even close to right without blowing it up.
So your saying he wouldn't have to worry about any of these issues when throwing this kit on a SR20DET... yeah right.

I'm sure anyone doing this turbo upgrade would also be upgrading injectors and the MAF along with sending off their ecu to be reprogramed... even if it was a SR20DET. Oh... and the ease to get a tune for a DE is just as easy as it is for a DET. The S13 DE ecu is the same as the B13 SE-R ecu, so you have JWT, Calum, and even Enthaphy that can take care of him.

Please get all your facts straight before trying to make an ass of someone.

[blueshark123]

Do YOU even know the difference between a RWD DE and DET?!? Here's a hint, all the parts off a SR20DET bolted right onto my SR20DE with the exception of water/oil lines which were pretty easy to resolve. To drill/tap for the oil return is not that hard either... easier than swapping motors that's for sure.

They probably stated SR20DET because that's what 98% of the S-chassis owners are throwing into their car.



So your saying he wouldn't have to worry about any of these issues when throwing this kit on a SR20DET... yeah right.

I'm sure anyone doing this turbo upgrade would also be upgrading injectors and the MAF along with sending off their ecu to be reprogramed... even if it was a SR20DET. Oh... and the ease to get a tune for a DE is just as easy as it is for a DET. The S13 DE ecu is the same as the B13 SE-R ecu, so you have JWT, Calum, and even Enthaphy that can take care of him.

Please get all your facts straight before trying to make an ass of someone.

You should get ur facts straight before telling people stuff. Last time i checked the compression is diffrent between the motors plus their isnt any oil squiters in the sr20de.

[alzahakar]

SR20DET Dyno Comparison of Full-Race Twinscroll GT3071R .78 A/R (Blue Line) vs. Single Scroll GT2871R .64 A/R (Red Line). AFR was 11.5 and dyno was done in 4th gear. 84 degrees with about 50 percent humidity. Both runs were about 19 PSI. Rom tuning by RS Enthalpy


^^^ For those that clicked the link, looked at some pics and didn't read the whole page.


Yea, seriously. I could buy a GT3071R or a GT2871R(turbo options with this kit) and try to run them at the 19lbs that kit is rated at on the KA-T I'm building without lower compression pistons, but we all know what would happen there. What makes you think a NA SR20DE would be any different? Also, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, which I do as much as anyone, I believe the head is a bit different on a SR20DE as opposed to the SR20DET. Port sizes, i think. Besides, never did I say you can't turbocharge a SR20DE and I never said you wouldn't need fuel management and such if you had a SR20DET, I made a mistake and assumed that anyone with anything to say in regards to the thread would pretty much know that.

[HYPNOTIK]

their isnt any oil squiters in the sr20de.

Exactly:stupid:

[McCoy]

You should get ur facts straight before telling people stuff. Last time i checked the compression is diffrent between the motors plus their isnt any oil squiters in the sr20de.
I said HINT.

I know my facts... I guess I shouldn't have assumed that most members knew that the DE came with 9.5:1 CR and the DET 8.5:1 CR. I guess you also knew that the DE is missing the oil piston squirters and is not using sodium filled exhaust valves. Or that the DE came with a larger cams profile which is a plus if your not going to upgrade your cams.


Yea, seriously. I could buy a GT3071R or a GT2871R(turbo options with this kit) and try to run them at the 19lbs that kit is rated at on the KA-T I'm building without lower compression pistons, but we all know what would happen there. What makes you think a NA SR20DE would be any different?
So now we're comparing the SR20DE-T to a KA-T, sorry I don't see how this is relavant here since these are different motors that act different to boost. You act as if running higher compression is the end of the world. With a proper tune it can be done just fine with the DE. Go visit the sr20forum where the FWD guys have been turboing DE's for years with no major issues to speak of... me being one of them.

I'm not going to argue that you could run 19psi on a DE setup with 93 octane... But that shouldn't really matter to the OP since he's only going to be using 50lb injectors that would cap out way before he hit 19psi.


Also, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, which I do as much as anyone, I believe the head is a bit different on a SR20DE as opposed to the SR20DET. Port sizes, i think.
Sodium filled exhaust valves are the difference, but I've yet to see this as being a problem when turboing a DE, at least not enough to make me want to throw my DE in the garbage and purchase a DET.

Besides, never did I say you can't turbocharge a SR20DE and I never said you wouldn't need fuel management and such if you had a SR20DET, I made a mistake and assumed that anyone with anything to say in regards to the thread would pretty much know that.
Whatever, you made a pretty strong point (in your first post) that those were all additional costs if he went the DE path over the DET, simply not the case.

[91tofordee]

so, im in this same boat. sr20de in my s13 and wanting to turbo. i have a megasquirt ecu and aem uego wideband so far (i know not much) i have a t25 turbo and manifold but i dont want to use that. opting for a gt2871r hopefully. i was wondering how your project went? i get the typical just buy a det. but they dont understand i dont want to buy a det i want to turbo my DE.