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brett-hancock
12-28-2008, 05:21 PM
I saw, for the first time (about a week ago) a 26B in an older RX7. I'm just curious how hard they are to find and the price range. That's IF you can even find em' lol...Just a curiosity thing, maybe a project WAY LATER on down the road, maybe like a memorial to my father after he passes away spent with my enheritance from him lol in other words YEARS FROM NOW (hopefully)!!! Well thanks in advance for any help an ROCK OUT WITH YOUR COCK OUT!!! - B.ROKK -
OTG Vinyl
12-28-2008, 05:30 PM
I know a shop locally that has plenty of 4-rotor engines just laying around collecting dust. They make Hans devices and race cars.
ZilviaKid
12-28-2008, 05:59 PM
i believe that a running 4 rotor costs around 40k. shit aint cheap broseph
OTG Vinyl
12-28-2008, 06:00 PM
i believe that a running 4 rotor costs around 40k. shit aint cheap broseph
From what I've heard, they're a lot more than that. Then again, the engines I saw / asked about were race only. :-/
MetricHotrods.com
12-28-2008, 06:09 PM
inheritance? just buy the 787B le mans winner, it comes up for sale from time to time when investors and businessmen in japan get tired of it.
or be a baller and send 2 13Bs to amemiyasan with a blank check.
silpena
12-28-2008, 06:15 PM
good luck finding 4 rotor for sell. Mazda used to sell them back in the day but they wernt 40k cheap. There is a company in the UK that sells the kits to build them and the rest like the milling custom dowl pins etc is gonna run you alot more. Just the 4 rotor excentric crank cost like 12k! unless you have the machinary to make a 4 rotor i suggest you give up your dream. Just buy a 3 rotor block and go N/A. Peri port it, get rx8 rotors,bearings or wait for the new billet aluminum rotors that are being tested. I miss my old SA rx7 :(.
MetricHotrods.com
12-28-2008, 06:25 PM
yea, arent the old cosmo motors 3 rotor? the jdm 929 i think they are.
silpena
12-28-2008, 06:30 PM
yup old cosmos are 3 rotors.
EDacIouSX
12-28-2008, 07:07 PM
oh yea new rotary engine being made? didn't know that.
soreballz
12-28-2008, 10:43 PM
$40k+? Wow. That's a lot of money for a motor that has to be rebuilt frequently.
Fries
12-28-2008, 10:55 PM
$40k+? Wow. That's a lot of money for a motor that has to be rebuilt frequently.
But it makes the most amazing sound.
I totally agree though. All I see when someone states: 4 rotor 26b;
is 4 times the parts to pop as the stock motor and 40k dollars wasted.
David Steele
12-29-2008, 02:08 AM
They don't come in any production model cars and no they are not 2 13b's they have their own unique firing angles.
If you say they need to rebuilt frequently, then you know nothing about a rotary.
chibo
12-29-2008, 02:13 AM
They don't come in any production model cars and no they are not 2 13b's they have their own unique firing angles.
Do you know if there are any companies that make custom eccentric shafts so that you can piece together a 3 or 4 rotor?
soreballz
12-29-2008, 02:59 AM
If you say they need to rebuilt frequently, then you know nothing about a rotary.
So then tell me, about how many track days would a 4 rotor motor last for?
silpena
12-29-2008, 03:35 AM
Do you know if there are any companies that make custom eccentric shafts so that you can piece together a 3 or 4 rotor?
ther is a company in the UK that sells the shat or u have to mae one your self.
atutt
12-29-2008, 03:42 AM
They don't come in any production model cars and no they are not 2 13b's they have their own unique firing angles.
If you say they need to rebuilt frequently, then you know nothing about a rotary.
Thank you.. I was going to say this then I found your post!!!!!!!!!
licenseless
12-29-2008, 05:47 AM
a four rotor is a one off motor... they only make 2 and 3 rotors...
a 4 rotor requires one off bolts to hold it all to gether...
you also have to make a one off shaft for it since there isnt one... unless some new aftermarket company is making them...
either way i dont think just 40k is going to get you a 4 rotor... hahahahahahah
as a matter of fact... here is a list i found with a simple google search... some dude apparently is trying this
lets try again
block: 28000
turbo & kit
Custom Manifold: 600
Custom Downpipe: 300
Wastegate HKS Racing: 450
Turbo itself: 1200
Oil Lines, fittings, etc: 100
clutch 2disk & flywheel 1500
1000HP fuel pump 300
BOV 200
IC 1000
Custom IC piping 500
Engine Mounts 500
FD Subframe 1000
4 more fuel inj 800
8 ign. coils and wires 400
High performance radiator 400
Haltech E6K 1100
Custom anti-sway bar 600
Tranny mount 30
Driveshaft 200
AEM C2DI 8 ch Ig amp 450
Oil pump/lines 500
Alternator/bracket 200
New rims + tires 3000
Rear Wheel flares 300
Kaaz differential +oil 860
Mazda reinforc. PPF 450
Chromaloy axles 800
I think we are closer, but we aren't their yet. I think there are fuel lines, rails, and oil lines, extra oil cooler, etc
needed.
Lets throw in some more 4000
49740 w/o tax
Received quote for a 4 rotor engine or eccentric shaft. - Page 2 - RX7Club.com (http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273400&page=2&pp=40)
licenseless
12-29-2008, 05:48 AM
that list is with them making some of the custom shit there selves... so yeah... looking at well over 50k unless your a good welder
txrxs
12-29-2008, 07:01 AM
Can't wait till my dad dies so I can get my inheritance and build a car in his honor.
Honestly, what the fucking shit is wrong with the zilvia class of 08?
Bubbles
12-29-2008, 07:12 AM
Ha ha.
I didn't even read that.
Thanks for pointing out the douchebaggery.
CmR333
12-29-2008, 09:31 AM
4 rotors are cool and the sound is like sex but i would just go with a cosmo motor for the fact you could spend about 30k less lol
!Zar!
12-29-2008, 11:33 AM
Four rotor is pretty pointless to do for the average person.
A 13brew is good enough with the right mods.
mikethebiker
12-29-2008, 12:26 PM
i want to fix this...
Custom Manifold: 300
Oil Lines, fittings, etc: 100
new clutch and flywheel: 500
good fuel pump: 200
custom Engine Mounts: 200 (welded by a local shop)
4 more fuel inj: 400
4 ign. coils and wires: 200
High performance radiator: 400
Haltech E6K: 1100
Custom anti-sway bar 600
Tranny mount: 30
Driveshaft: 200
AEM C2DI 8 ch Ig amp: 450
Oil pump/lines: 500
Alternator/bracket: 200
I think we are closer, but we aren't their yet. I think there are fuel lines, rails, and oil lines, extra oil cooler, etc
needed.
Lets throw in some more 4000
49740 w/o tax
theres like 5 grand in there of turbo stuff, and it does not need to be turbo. It also doesnt need a high performance radiator but i left that for skeptics. You only need 4 more ignition coils and wires since you already have 4. Dont know why you would need custom sway bar since your making custom mounts but ill go with it. Since its being custom mounted, i dont know why you specifically need an FD subframe. i took that out. dont need a 1000hp fuel pump. dont need a super clutch and flywheel. now lets look,
i see 5,380 bucks. lets make it 20k for shits and giggles, considering you gotta get 2(or 4) rotor housings, the eccentric shaft, random bolts and shit..
gimme a break, thats half of what you said
TheWolf
12-30-2008, 10:12 AM
the 4 rotor engine that did all the coolshit ran 3 plugs per rotor for a reason... what that reason is... well you'll have to ask mazda.. but the good news is that you can buy those housing direct from mazdaspeed. No eccentric shafts or rotors though.. at the end of the day you'll be left with a noisy shitbox.
CAPTAINNEO
12-30-2008, 11:06 AM
Can't wait till my dad dies so I can get my inheritance and build a car in his honor.
Honestly, what the fucking shit is wrong with the zilvia class of 08?
that's the first thing i noticed too.
already planning on spending inheritance from Pop's.
Mi Beardo es Loco
12-30-2008, 11:16 AM
and this is why the ls1 is such a popular swap in the rx7's. Strong frame and a v8 has higher power potential than a 4 rotor. 15grand into the motor and forced induction 1000 hp is not out of the question.
Kaifd3s
01-05-2009, 09:21 PM
A 13B-REW with a T51R is more than enough. Or you can get greedy and do a 20B with a T78. Turbos love eating up the hot rotary exhaust. A 26B is stupid for the street. A 26b was made especially for the track, and that why you see that Mazda never put them in any production cars.
Koopa Troopa
01-06-2009, 03:09 AM
I saw, for the first time (about a week ago) a 26B in an older RX7. I'm just curious how hard they are to find and the price range. That's IF you can even find em' lol...Just a curiosity thing, maybe a project WAY LATER on down the road, maybe like a memorial to my father after he passes away spent with my enheritance from him lol in other words YEARS FROM NOW (hopefully)!!! Well thanks in advance for any help an ROCK OUT WITH YOUR COCK OUT!!! - B.ROKK -
Yeah, no you didn't.
They don't come in any production model cars and no they are not 2 13b's they have their own unique firing angles.
If you say they need to rebuilt frequently, then you know nothing about a rotary.
Word, my friend had a 450 some whp 13b that ran for 4.5 years before it went down because a freeze plug rusted.
So then tell me, about how many track days would a 4 rotor motor last for?
Well they can last at least 24 hours of torture.
Bubbles
01-06-2009, 05:49 AM
Y
Word, my friend had a 450 some whp 13b that ran for 4.5 years before it went down because a freeze plug rusted.
My 80 hp 13b rarely ran.
I'd buy another without hesitation though.
Koopa Troopa
01-06-2009, 05:58 AM
Just like any car, it all has to do with how well you've maintained the motor. I highly doubt you kept it running in tip top shape if it barely ran...
There's nothing wrong with the reliability of a rotary engine in the first place. The Japanese don't have any problems with them. Americans just don't know how to tune them. They think they can put all sorts of stuff on them and up the boost on a stock ECU and there won't be any problem.
!Zar!
01-06-2009, 02:12 PM
Leading cause to most rotaries deaths are due to the owner.
You can NOT put full exhaust/intake on a turbo car and simply call it a day.
The car will over boost then hit fuel cut because of such.
Then next thing you know, BAM blown motor.
sinnerstar
01-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Pulse Performance (http://pulseperformancere.com/) are the guys that built Mikes 4 rotor here in New Zealand. Theres also FOURRE which was built here too YouTube - FOURRE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSXYXgmyUU&feature=related)
PRADOgy
01-06-2009, 06:21 PM
it would be soo fucking rediculous on how much that essentric shaft would cost to make balanced for that 4 rotor
zylvia213
01-06-2009, 08:04 PM
any pics of this monster???
wow-thats-a-cool-car
01-07-2009, 12:08 AM
didn't mazda make like a 4 rotor and put it in there late 90s le mans car?
And so your saying a 4 rotor is just a 3 rotor that you add a rotor to? Like its possible to keep adding rotors to the motor? So can you just keep adding rotors if you had enough money?
Koopa Troopa
01-07-2009, 01:58 AM
didn't mazda make like a 4 rotor and put it in there late 90s le mans car?
And so your saying a 4 rotor is just a 3 rotor that you add a rotor to? Like its possible to keep adding rotors to the motor? So can you just keep adding rotors if you had enough money?
As already said before the 26B is not the same as a 4 rotor 13B or 20B as it has different firing angles and ports and stuff.
I would like to point something out though. Why do people think that 20Bs are so easy to come by? They only made 2000 fucking Cosmos with 20Bs.
I almost forgot.... You can make a 12 rotor 13B as long as you have the eccentric shaft for it.
soreballz
01-07-2009, 02:25 AM
^I wonder what a 12 rotor 13B would sound like. I bet it'd be INSANE.
silpena
01-07-2009, 03:18 AM
^I wonder what a 12 rotor 13B would sound like. I bet it'd be INSANE.
it would sound like this:
YouTube - SCOOT FD3S Free-rev/Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsI2ZgRmvFg)
YouTube - SCOOT FD3S Free-rev/Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsI2ZgRmvFg)
well this is a 23a but u know what i mean.... i also like to say u cant just keep adding rotors. The firing angles would be too complicated and you so many revs becuase all the rotors wont stay in harmony from what i have heard....
sinnerstar
01-07-2009, 04:40 AM
^I wonder what a 12 rotor 13B would sound like. I bet it'd be INSANE. I think it would sound pretty high pitched but damn cool, and look something like this.
http://img54.exs.cx/img54/9562/12rotor2.jpg
Koopa Troopa
01-07-2009, 06:04 AM
LMAO, nice collection of 13Bs!
SHIFT_*grind*
01-07-2009, 09:53 AM
^I wonder what a 12 rotor 13B would sound like. I bet it'd be INSANE.
Maybe like this, x3? Mazda Furai Concept (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEOHn7rspsk)
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