grs engine in my car

[SilviaSR20DET]

i was wonderingif i could put a gsr angine in my 97 240 auto and i was gonna do a front wheel drive convsrion, i heard you can push front wheel drives to the limit better. and i always lose it going around the croners in the rain and have to countersteer hella i hate that, ineed more top end and i heard its really good in vtech power range

[misnomer]

You're kidding, right?

If you want front drive, buy a front drive car. You will probably have a hell of a time fitting a front drive motor and converting it into a rear drive car. I mean sure, anything is possible with the right money. . . but. . . switch it to front drive?

As far as "push to the limit" goes. Just about all of your top sports cars are rear drive. Provides better traction when accellerating (plus no need to try and work steering crap in with the drivetrain crap), less tendency to understeer when they're learned properly. Front drive cars tend to have less parasitic drivetrain loss from having fewer components and distance between the crank and the wheels. That is about it. I can't really stress enough how much of a bad idea it is to convert a rear drive car to front drive.

EDIT: response to edit:

I'm really hoping you just aren't trolling here (read to the rest of zilvia: don't flame him, just correct him :P ). If you are losing it around the corners in the rain, you should probably just slow down a bit. Weather is no place to be driving fast around corners. As far as top end goes. . . Most Nissan motors won't spin as high as a Honda motor, that's true. But, few Honda motors have as useable a power band as a motor like the KA, SR, or RB series. The reason you've never heard of a Honda motor swap into a 240sx is because they have nothing to bring to the table that Nissan hasn't provided in it's easier and cheaper to swap motors. On top of all of this, NEVER underestimate the capability of the powerplant that comes with the car. The KA is a noteworthy motor, and with a little work is a downright outstanding motor.

I'll admit this is a personal opinion, so don't take it as gospel, but a motor that has to be near redline to make useful power is pretty much worthless in my book.

[SilviaSR20DET]

No, i'm serious. What is being a troll?
I'm really thinking about this swap because i don't want an sr20det from japan which all the japanese drive hard on.
I think the b18c is a really good engine with good top end, coz I lost to my frend's integra.

From the launch, it was even, but after 2nd gear, he pulled mad crazy on me. I was so ****ed...

[KiDyNomiTe]

That would be something I would have to really urge you not to do, makes no sense.

Lets see:
The KA is a torquey motor, GSR (well all hondas) aren't, 2.4L to 1.8L, RWD or FWD, there is prolly more but too lazy to think.

The RWD to FWD would be a BIG waste of money, you might as well just buy an S2K motor if your looking for a Honda, at least you save the trouble of the conversion. Or you could turbo your KA, get a CA, get an SR, get an RB20, get an RB25, get a VG30, attempt a VQ35, get a rotary, attempt a V8 swap, there is prolly loads more you could do instead that would be a better deal than swapping to FF.


If it is a joke it's not funny:rolleyes:

[SilviaSR20DET]

i hate fwd my friends are

[Driftin_240sx]

are u F**cking SERIOUS ! !... i am seriously hoping that u are kidding...for the time and effort that u are putting into converting a good car into a P.O.S.... you could have gone bought your @$$ a $hit rice bomb integra or civic... just to remind you.. i seriously hope this is a joke....

david

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by SilviaSR20DET
No, i'm serious. What is being a troll?
I'm really thinking about this swap because i don't want an sr20det from japan which all the japanese drive hard on.
I think the b18c is a really good engine with good top end, coz I lost to my frend's integra.

From the launch, it was even, but after 2nd gear, he pulled mad crazy on me. I was so ****ed...

Bieng a troll is just someone who pops out of nowhere to a board about Subject A, yet says that subject A sucks bla bla bla and subject B is better.

If you don't want an SR becuase of reliablity purposed then turbo the KA, it's not like the SR is the only way to go. You have seen some succesful KA-T stories on this boards.

Also how do you know the B18 isn't beat up, are you assuming that becuase japanese people have faster cars that they beat them up. People over here drive just as stupid, maybe even worse. If you are that afraid, get a KA, or SR and rebuild it. The only other sure way of having an engine that is not beaten up, buy a brand new car and take the engine.

If you are concerned this much where you would consider swapping a B18 due to it being from America, the SR is obviously not for you.

Buying a new car is the only way to ensure your car will last long, even then you have to take good care of it.

i hate fwd my friends are

So why would you swap in one if you hate it.


Last but not least, do you understand that RWD to FWD is not like auto to manual, there is no magic piece that you can unscrew from the back and screw to the front to switch.

[BadMoJo]

Troll!


:rolleyes:

[misnomer]

Well, all we're saying is there are plenty of motor options out there. Not that any of us are particularly anti-honda (OK, so a lot of us are ;-) ), but there is no good reason to change a rear drive car to a front drive car with a smaller motor. . . If you want a Teg, put that money into a Teg. You will probably be happier in the end. I can't even imagine the understeer you'd get on the s-chassis if you converted it to front drive. . .

Not that we are particularly bashing your idea. Most of us are all for new things, but this is generally a bad idea. Study into it a bit more, front drive vs rear drive, and particularly about wieght distrobution.

Now if you were going to mate said motor to a rear drive setup, I would take less issue. I don't know much about Honda motors, but I hear you can make some of them pretty quick :P The problem is, you'd be spending a hell of a lot of time and money swapping for a motor when you could put that same time and money and build one hell of a car. Hell, if you're looking to be different, try a small block v8. . . FJ series motor. . . Even a rotary! The possibilities are endless, but keep the chassis layout how it was intended.

[Silviaholic]

i just dont see the gains (if any)

its a simple equation, work/money spent vs. advantages gained....

because you have a facination with fwd, you would be better off grabin a 96 camry and swappin in a VTEC v6 from an accord for a sleeper... as for the 240, i personally feel the suspension would create a huge problem with a swap not to mention the fact that its uterly ungodly exspensive, unless you swapped in a bluebird sr20det....which be about the same custom fab but it is turbo charged out the door unlike the b18, now (sarcasm) if you have money, like you think you do, whats wrong the the 2jz?! Just drop her in and youll be straigt....or like its been mentioned the vq45?

can you tell im drunk?

[Anubis]

Originally posted by SilviaSR20DET
i was wonderingif i could put a gsr angine in my 97 240 auto and i was gonna do a front wheel drive convsrion, i heard you can push front wheel drives to the limit better. and i always lose it going around the croners in the rain and have to countersteer hella i hate that, ineed more top end and i heard its really good in vtech power range

:eek:

[xLSTONEx]

i was wonderingif i could put a gsr angine in my 97 240 auto and i was gonna do a front wheel drive convsrion, i heard you can push front wheel drives to the limit better. and i always lose it going around the croners in the rain and have to countersteer hella i hate that, ineed more top end and i heard its really good in vtech power range

Ok that has to be the stupidest question ever, but no offence, I'm hoping you just don't know much about cars, like it seems you do and you just don't know any better.

First of all it is VTEC, not VTECH. That system is just a extra boost of power and a gas saver at higher RPMS, before that the engine is just a regular 140hp or less 1.8 liter engine. The engine is not any better than a KA or a SR from Japan used. Honda is reliable but common are you serious. And there is know way that just because a car is FWD that you can drive it to the limit harder.

Second maybe the reason you loose control in the rain is because you are pushing your car to the limit?!?!? Basically slow down, rain is nothing to fool around in. I personally have a racing licences and have been to two racing schools and still don't push my car in the rain. Also I prefer oversteer in a car way more than understeer. I can recover from oversteer better than than understeer, in understeer you are just going to go strait which can be into a ditch or into a tree, ect.

Third, it is true that a b18C will pull harder at top end but you shouldn't be going fast enough to figure out anyway. There are better ways than to race on the street, or on the interstate or a highway where you are going 90+ mph. You don't need to go any faster than that, that is how people get killed or how you kill someone else. So what your buddys car will do 150 and our cars won't, or it pulls up high and ours slows down a bit, it really doesn't f'ing matter.

Fourth, if you do this conversion I would love to kill you for these reasons. If you actually are stupid enough to put the money in it, you could have sold your car and bought a Supra TT for the same amount it would take to do that retarded conversion. Then see if your friends little Integra will beat you in a race when you have a Supra. Also that is just a discrace to the whole 240 family and to any sports car ever. When you tell people that you put a FWD b18c in your car, anybody that knows anything will just die laughing at you, I know I would, that is what rice is at its best.

You just really need to think about this. IT IS DIFFENATLY NOT WORTH THE MONEY TO DO THIS. Get a Supra or another big Turboed car and with 1500 dollars you can almost have 420 RWHP. And you if you don't think you can handle a RWD car then you aren't even a real racer and shouldn't even be racing in the first place. I could go on all day about this but basically it all come down to

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING, DON'T DO IT!!!

:D :D :D

Landon Stone

[SilviaDriver]

dude..seriously..your question is dumb as hell. but u like B18Cs so thats kool. do not mess up a perfectly good s14a and turn it into FWD becuz ur lost to ur friends GSR. wat do u expect!?!?! he has way more hp than you. hez gonna get u sooner or later. my bro beats me all the time in his B18C1,but im not crying and gonna mess up my car and turn it into FWD

if you really want a B18C in your car...get a GSR.

[SilviaSR20DET]

No this post is totally a joke, my friends are honda/acura fwd fanatics and are just being stupid. I love RWD and i will never convert or buy another fwd again. So now you guys know what went wrong with this post. Just by looking at the post wants me to freakin cry. I really dont like fwd cars because they tend to understeer, torque steer and there not any fun to drive. Real sports cars are RWD and econonmy cars are FWD period.

[91blk240]

sell your 240 to somebody that will appreciate it for what it is and buy you a civic HB.....drop a b18c5 in it the you can deal with your friends gsr

:mad:

[DC5]

Originally posted by SilviaSR20DET
I love RWD and i will never convert or buy another fwd again. Just by looking at the post wants me to freakin cry. I really dont like fwd cars because they tend to understeer, torque steer and there not any fun to drive. Real sports cars are RWD and econonmy cars are FWD period.

Haha...this guy is crazy. He would drop the 240sx for a RSX type-S any day.

So why the FR bashing?

[Bbandit]

you are joking!!!
i assume you are joking because you are!!!!
gsr engine in a 240sx??????????????
now that has got to be the stupidest question i've ever seen here in zilvia.net

my respond to that
sell your 240sx!
get a gsr!!!
grrrrrrrrrrr:mad:

edit: oops.. this is a joke.. hahahaha... my bad:D

[misnomer]

Mebbe his friend's got on his computer. . . mebbe he's saving face. Doesn't really matter. Lock the thread and let's leave it behind us.

[FRpilot]

if you really like the honda motors but love the looks of s-chasis (who wouldn't? :D).. why dont you just get an integra and do the expensive rice ass conversions like everyone else who is custom fitting s14 and s15 headlights onto their integras.. that will be ff and still look lik an s-chasis.. and that's the only reason why i think you would even want to drop a honda motor into a 240.. there's no other logical explanation...

[240SxTYLE]

first, this is a dumb A$$ question. second, you want a honda motor buy a car made by honda... im not sure but im pretty sure that the 240 is a bit heavier than a gsr (the b18c wouldnt perform the same in it)

lets put it this way... in orlando, fl
$3000 (honda)= a hot (stolen) b18c
$3000 (nissan)= a nice make-shift ka-t OR a whole s13 front clip OR a sr20det motor (installed)

go to a honda fourm and ask this question i bet you get the same respone from them

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by SilviaSR20DET
i was wonderingif i could put a gsr angine in my 97 240 auto and i was gonna do a front wheel drive convsrion, i heard you can push front wheel drives to the limit better. and i always lose it going around the croners in the rain and have to countersteer hella i hate that, ineed more top end and i heard its really good in vtech power range

simply answer: NO


I knew you were going to get flamed by that post(or question) you made. With the money it would take to make that even possible.....you can have a RB26DETT in your car. You might even convert it to AWD.


Just a thought........

[mrmephistopheles]

No more trolling. Thread locked.

-Kevin