oil filter adapters that REPLACE OE shit (KA) [Archive] - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Om1kron

11-19-2008, 08:44 AM

zaquanh

11-19-2008, 08:55 AM

hes not looking for a sandwhich plate , hes looking for a replace ment oil filter plate , like the companies above make

NemeGuero

11-19-2008, 09:05 AM

I hate to say it, but search... the ka block has the same thread pitch as a ford or gm cooler, you can order the sandwich adapter you're looking for from jegs... I dont necessarily have a link for you but i'm sure some searching on ka-t.org should find your answer.

That's all i'm giving you.

"Trans Dapt Oil Filter Relocation Kit [trans dapt 1120] <--- that's a part number"

hey douchebag!

READ!

I said REPLACES oem unit.
not the sandwich plate.

Yes, one with 4 bolt holes, not a thread pitch.
Thanks

hes not looking for a sandwhich plate , hes looking for a replace ment oil filter plate , like the companies above make

<3

++++REEEPP

japslapsilvia

11-19-2008, 09:21 AM

240trainee

11-19-2008, 09:24 AM

Yea, I don't think you have any off the shelf solutions.

They work awesome for an SR BTW.

lol.

Om1kron

11-19-2008, 09:25 AM

hes not looking for a sandwhich plate , hes looking for a replace ment oil filter plate , like the companies above make

whoops... :cops:

NemeGuero

11-19-2008, 09:26 AM

Make one, get a block of aluminum, take it to a machine shop and "copy" the stock one, with fittings. OR make the stock one work, cut out the threaded portion weld on a -10 fitting and drill out the return to the block and weld on an -10 fitting

up top, Juan said he and mike were gonna make one.
I don't have a machine shop or I'd do it myself.

I miss the Berkeley machine shop.. :(

Yea, I don't think you have any off the shelf solutions.

They work awesome for an SR BTW.

lol.

Eat my peepee!! haha

Sir

11-20-2008, 01:02 AM

I don't remember how it is on KA, but on SR you got 2 holes: in and out. The "budget" solution could always be to tap them to NPT and use NPT to AN fittings.

ManoNegra

11-20-2008, 08:11 AM

tease, tease, tease....

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1797/cmmonblockswy7.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2495/gibbsdrawingzj3.jpg

10AN?
8AN?
Sensors?

LongGrain

11-20-2008, 08:16 AM

keep the primary inlet and outlet -10.

and leave 2 ports for an oil temp and oil pressure, i'm not sure what size those need to be though.

96Turbo

11-20-2008, 08:18 AM

keep the primary inlet and outlet -10.

and leave 2 ports for an oil temp and oil pressure, i'm not sure what size those need to be though.

1/8" NPT seems to be pretty much the standard

unless you're talkin about JDM gauges, which use BSPT if i recall correctly

LongGrain

11-20-2008, 08:21 AM

word, tomei uses 1/8" npt for the sensor ports.

NemeGuero

11-20-2008, 08:24 AM

HEY! Back off! Its mine! hahaha

I brought mine in to work today so I could CAD it up.
Guess you're already on it.

When is estimated completion date, Juan Valdez?

ManoNegra

11-20-2008, 08:30 AM

That my dear friend, is the million dollar question....
We got two new cars to work on
starting on a motor rebuild
about to swap a motor on a car for a guy
a previous project we're still trying to figure out
and on top of that we work 11 hour days...

honestly, I'm still learning the job and I'm no machinist
If I had the skills, believe me, things would get done a lot sooner

but the boss man tells me this is a pretty simple thing to do
we just gotta take the time and get off our asses
so, soonish I hope

NemeGuero

11-20-2008, 09:08 AM

Anything I can do to help?

I'll come in and work for free tomorrow. haha
I miss the smell of cutting oil and hot metal.

Mmm metal shards.

PS. I've got my block bare. Just need to find a head and order my pistons. PM me that shop's info.

ManoNegra

11-20-2008, 09:21 AM

You can come and wash/vacuum my car... and make me a sammich!
lol

NemeGuero

11-20-2008, 09:29 AM

I'llmake you some CHORIZO con juevos!

No me chinges..

chuy

11-20-2008, 10:29 AM

Im interested in this as well. I was going to get the Prosport oil filter adapter.

Sir

11-20-2008, 11:58 AM

word, tomei uses 1/8" npt for the sensor ports.

Nope. BSPT. Because they hate america!

zaquanh

11-20-2008, 12:13 PM

Nope. BSPT. Because they hate america!

haha greddy uses bspt too but i have a sr lol
i like prosport , they use npt

NemeGuero

11-20-2008, 03:49 PM

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/314/sketchyl0.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sketchyl0.jpg)
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/sketchyl0.jpg/1/w1520.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img368/sketchyl0.jpg/1/)

MINE'S BETTER!!!

Did you make it yet?

ManoNegra

11-20-2008, 04:43 PM

is that metric!??
get that shit outta here, this is America!

Been busy with regular boring type work.
Maybe will work on it some more tonight.

NemeGuero

11-20-2008, 05:17 PM

SochBAT

11-20-2008, 05:23 PM

Mano, what do you do? Engineer?

i want to engineer things.

MrChow

11-20-2008, 05:28 PM

So I've been looking around for Oil Coolers, and it seems the KA's get no love, So I figured I'd go on a little mission to put a Kit for use guys together. Also every other Oil Cooler kit I've seen has either been approaching the $300 mark or exceeding it, so I decided to try and keep it under $200, which I think I did a fair job at. I Do not plan on making a write up on the install as I will not be purchasing the kit anytime soon. But if you may, you could purchase the kit and complete a write up. http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggthumpup.gif

Earl Oil Cooler Core (Comes w/ Mounting and -8 AN Fittings): $75 (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR-21008ERL)
Perma Cool Oil Adpt. Sandwich 3/8 NPT In/Out (3/4-16" Is the Block Side Oil Nipple): $32 (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=PRM%2D181&N=700+400006+304360+4294818390+115&autoview=sku)
Summit Racing 3/8 NPT to -8 AN Adpt. (2x): $6 - Price Includes 2x (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-220846)
Summit Racing 90* Elbow -8 AN Hose End Fitting (Oil cooler Side - 2x): $30 - Price Includes 2x (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-220887)
Summit Racing Straight -8 AN Hose End Fitting (Oil Adpt. Side - 2x): $14 - Price Includes 2x (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-220890)
Summit Racing -8 AN SS 6ft.: $27 (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM-230806)
__________________________________________________ ___________________________

Total: ***** $184 *****I don't think help but hey.

Om1kron

11-20-2008, 05:49 PM

"I don't want an adapter plate you cockmunching douchebag." - original poster

just an fyi, but at least you tried to help.

MrChow

11-20-2008, 06:03 PM

I can't read... I'm asian...:stupid:

I'm a noob when it comes to the engine.

ManoNegra

11-20-2008, 06:30 PM

It is metric. Japanese use Metric!

in fact, we are the only retards not using metric. (i think)

Lets use a base system where we have to count to 12 instead of intervals of 10.. you know, like how many fingers we ahve!

WORK ON IT!! haha, I'm piston shopping as we speak.

There was a lot of sarcasm in my post
still getting used to thinking in fractions of an inch...

Mano, what do you do? Engineer?

i want to engineer things.

Nope, Evan is the engineer
me, I'm a quality control manager at an aerospace machine shop
I take care of most of the paperwork associated with jobs aswell as
the inspection.
I also get to do all the bitch work - cleaning parts, tapping holes,
deburring, cutting stock, cleaning CNC machines, etc
(ever been showered in sharp metal chips? It's like having gotten into a fight with a herd of pissed off wild cats)

NemeGuero

11-20-2008, 08:04 PM

"I don't want an adapter plate you cockmunching douchebag." - original poster

just an fyi, but at least you tried to help.

hahaha Thanks for filling in for me. :love:

There was a lot of sarcasm in my post
still getting used to thinking in fractions of an inch...

Nope, Evan is the engineer
me, I'm a quality control manager at an aerospace machine shop
I take care of most of the paperwork associated with jobs aswell as
the inspection.
I also get to do all the bitch work - cleaning parts, tapping holes,
deburring, cutting stock, cleaning CNC machines, etc
(ever been showered in sharp metal chips? It's like having gotten into a fight with a herd of pissed off wild cats)

I know, I just dont get the standard..

Dude, I'd wwaaayyy rather be machining then doing the shit I do.
Fuck engineering staring at a computer screen and doing fucking risk registers and retarded shit.

cdlong

11-21-2008, 12:00 PM

there's no real way i can help, but i would like one once they're done.

los_inc

12-02-2008, 08:07 PM

*ahem* just wanted to shake the dust off this thread and make sure these are still gettin made?
<3
-los

NemeGuero

12-02-2008, 08:23 PM

Ask the machinists!

JUAN! MIKE!

DALAZ_68

12-02-2008, 09:03 PM

hey how bout some love for the very forgotten CA18 :Ownedd:

ManoNegra

12-03-2008, 08:03 AM

*ahem* just wanted to shake the dust off this thread and make sure these are still gettin made?
<3
-los

I haven't forgotten.
Holidays means people work short weeks and take vacations.
Also I'm the eager one and unfortunately I lack the skills to get this done by myself.
And the people that do have little faith in the 240 crowd (i.e. they're cheap broke lowballing flakes).
So IT WILL GET DONE but I can't say when and in what numbers.

If someone (that means you Evan) can provide me with a blueprint or CAD model
I could try bribing a machinist to set up one of the CNC machines.

NemeGuero

12-03-2008, 08:33 AM

I was working on a CAD!! But so were you.. I let mine go cuz I thought you were doing one.

Thats it, I'm finishing mine today and emailing it to you!

You'll have it before 4:30 PM PST.

los_inc

12-03-2008, 08:51 AM

yo evan let me know i'm down to put a deposit
just don't smoke it on me
<3
-los

NemeGuero

12-03-2008, 08:53 AM

NEVERMIND..

figured it out.

lol @ los.

I'll let you know when we have something ready to build/test..

Keep on me about it.

NemeGuero

12-03-2008, 09:59 AM

Hey Juan, what CAD program can I make this in?

I have:

CATIA
UniGraphics
SolidWorks

Otherwise I'll have to make it at home..

DALAZ_68

12-03-2008, 11:22 AM

i miss my CNC router from school...

NemeGuero

12-03-2008, 03:46 PM

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9206/kaoilblockcc8.jpg

NemeGuero

12-03-2008, 03:48 PM

Thats kinda what I got going on..
What PROGRAM JUAN?!

3 1/8 NPTs. 1 for factory sensor, 1 for aftermarket sensor, 1 for oil feed for turbo.
the 2 are for the -10AN fittings.

Requires oil filter adapter.

Should I cad up one of those too? :)

I may need to space the 1/8 NPts a bit more due to the size of the OE sender fitting.. I probably need to add another extrusion outwards.
That whole top area can be pocketed on the mill for added bitchin-ness.

I need to check the clearance on the oil neck that comes out of the block and adjust the dimensions of stuff.

I also need to check the diameters of that neck to see how big the holes need to be and if I need 2 different diameters for that.

ManoNegra

12-05-2008, 06:58 PM

Thats kinda what I got going on..
What PROGRAM JUAN?!

3 1/8 NPTs. 1 for factory sensor, 1 for aftermarket sensor, 1 for oil feed for turbo.
the 2 are for the -10AN fittings.

Requires oil filter adapter.

Should I cad up one of those too? :)

Nice the 3rd fitting is a good idea.
No oil filter adapter necessary.

I need to check the clearance on the oil neck that comes out of the block and adjust the dimensions of stuff.

I also need to check the diameters of that neck to see how big the holes need to be and if I need 2 different diameters for that.

Done and done.

Order material a few days ago
and got some time to work on it today.

Gibbs Round 2

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8763/gibssdrawinground2ov9.jpg

Flycutting stock for squareness

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6517/flycuttingblockmk9.jpg

CNC set up

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1117/cncsetupyc3.jpg

Voila

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1512/freshoutofcnchb2.jpg

That's the rough first face
NPT thread on the other face is up next
comments?

DreamN

12-05-2008, 07:10 PM

gangstah!

This will allow for oil filter relocation as well right?

importdude

12-05-2008, 07:17 PM

dam im down for 1

dont forget
its 1bspt for the oem sensor

ManoNegra

12-05-2008, 07:57 PM

gangstah!

This will allow for oil filter relocation as well right?

Yes, that's the main idea
We haven't decided if we want to make the oil filter adapter yet
since there are many options already out there
IF we do, it'd be something special
like have brackets/adapters for a fuel pressure regulator/oil catch can/radiator surge tank... etc

edit
better picture showing details:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2275/topviewcloseupzd0.jpg

Devil Man

12-05-2008, 07:58 PM

oh my very nice

DALAZ_68

12-05-2008, 08:25 PM

Nice the 3rd fitting is a good idea.
No oil filter adapter necessary.

Done and done.

Order material a few days ago
and got some time to work on it today.

Gibbs Round 2

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8763/gibssdrawinground2ov9.jpg

Flycutting stock for squareness

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6517/flycuttingblockmk9.jpg

CNC set up

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1117/cncsetupyc3.jpg

Voila

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1512/freshoutofcnchb2.jpg

That's the rough first face
NPT thread on the other face is up next
comments?

i need it to be able to hook for oil temp and oil press and oil cooler system and ill me happy
i need something for my CA

Yes, that's the main idea
We haven't decided if we want to make the oil filter adapter yet
since there are many options already out there
IF we do, it'd be something special
like have brackets/adapters for a fuel pressure regulator/oil catch can/radiator surge tank... etc

edit
better picture showing details:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2275/topviewcloseupzd0.jpg
do it guys...i miss my CNC...ima go back to school lol

DreamN

12-05-2008, 08:33 PM

Yes, that's the main idea
We haven't decided if we want to make the oil filter adapter yet
since there are many options already out there
IF we do, it'd be something special
like have brackets/adapters for a fuel pressure regulator/oil catch can/radiator surge tank... etc

edit
better picture showing details:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2275/topviewcloseupzd0.jpg

Very nice. I'd like to be able to run a catch can and a oil cooler as well with my oil filter relocated to a more comfortable location for filter replacement. Plus would need it for oil temp and pressure as well like Stevie mentioned.

What's the projected price on something like that?

irax

12-05-2008, 08:39 PM

subscribed!

lilaznjeff

12-05-2008, 08:47 PM

suscribed +2

very interested.

ManoNegra

12-05-2008, 09:21 PM

i need it to be able to hook for oil temp and oil press and oil cooler system and ill me happy
i need something for my CA

do it guys...i miss my CNC...ima go back to school lol

Problem is we don't have CAs lying around
nor do we plan on getting one anything soon.

Plus would need it for oil temp and pressure as well like Stevie mentioned.

you mean on the oil adapter?

What's the projected price on something like that?

can't tell
we'd have to have a working model/blueprint first
so that we can know how difficult/intricate the
details would be

Addicted2Kouki

12-06-2008, 02:01 AM

That actually looks really good.
I like the idea. it would be everything I need! HAHA

More updates on progress!!!!!!!!

ryan hagen

12-06-2008, 10:39 AM

this is sweet i could ditch my big ass earls adapters and all the junk under my intake, i d be interested in one, if they are 100-150 i d buy one for sure

chuy

12-06-2008, 11:10 AM

MY block isn't torn apart yet. BUt in in Ill just wait for the final design. BUt Im in

NemeGuero

12-06-2008, 07:35 PM

So what design does Mike have for the other side of the block?

How many ports does he have for fittings?

Is he going to leave the mid section (oil return) open or O-ring it like the OEM?
The AN banjo should be 3/8s NPT on the block side and -10AN for the other side.
They're like $5 a piece.

This sucks, Iwish I still had my machine shop.

projectRDM

12-06-2008, 07:48 PM

For the love of all holy you guys, do NOT reuse your OE sender. It'd be sad to get such a nice piece like this and cover it with leaky oil in a week.

Buy a real gauge, use it. Throw the OE junk in the trash.

holemilk00

12-06-2008, 07:53 PM

I'm in for this, solves so so so many problems for me as far as cleaning up my engine bay.

NemeGuero

12-06-2008, 08:05 PM

orion::S14

12-06-2008, 08:19 PM

^^^ It stays off if you disconnect the sensor.

(Sensor grounds out with low pressure, and trips the light. No connection, no ground, no light.)

- Brian

240sxScores

12-06-2008, 08:31 PM

I would love to get one of these too if they ever get produced in larger numbers. But put me down for one.

ManoNegra

12-06-2008, 08:34 PM

Been at the shop all day
but then again we always are
between swapping auto trannies between two cars
and battling a horde of black widows (we've found 5 so far)
we managed to work a little more on the block

I cut the remainder of the stock to size and
been flycutting them for the last couple of hours

have about 13-17 workable pieces
hope we don't loose to many during set up and mock this up

So what design does Mike have for the other side of the block?

How many ports does he have for fittings?

Is he going to leave the mid section (oil return) open or O-ring it like the OEM?
The AN banjo should be 3/8s NPT on the block side and -10AN for the other side.
They're like $5 a piece.

This sucks, Iwish I still had my machine shop.

we'll still sorting out the fittings issue
and it's being a bitch
don't know yet whether putting two straight 10AN fittings
perpendicular to the block is doable
since the oem put the oil in and out passages so close to
each other.
Mike seems to have an idea so we'll see.
May end up having to use fitting with bends
I hope not since these are usually more $$$

we'll do what we can this weekend and probably
go have a chat with Earl's on monday.

NemeGuero

12-06-2008, 08:39 PM

So he started cutting before he completed the design?
Hmm..

I would not use 90 degree elbows. Why would that be necessary?
On the return part, you can have the oil dump in and channel back to the block.

NemeGuero

12-06-2008, 08:40 PM

I think you should just tell me what CAD software programs you can use on your cnc and I'll throw him a design he could at least entertain the idea of constructing. haha

I DO have machining/design experience.. ;)

projectRDM

12-06-2008, 08:53 PM

^^^ It stays off if you disconnect the sensor.

(Sensor grounds out with low pressure, and trips the light. No connection, no ground, no light.)

- Brian

Thank you.

ManoNegra

12-06-2008, 11:14 PM

The dimensions of 10AN fittings make it difficult to put them close to
each other.

We also have to make sure there'll be clearance with the surrounding bits
ie...starter, mount, intake support bracket, etc

we also need to make sure sensor senders are in the clear

we usually make parts in stages to solve issues with set ups
and tooling and whatnot
not unusual for us one bit to cut a detail while still working out another
this is usually the hardest most labor intensive and expensive part
of manufacturing things
once we figure out the puzzle then we can pretty much churn them out

anyhow, first lot deburred with block face detail
if you look closely you'll see we modified the original design
for better flow and clearance issues

cnc cutting

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2401/cnccuttingzm4.jpg

first batch deburred

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2838/stockfirstrunyh2.jpg

los_inc

12-07-2008, 09:53 AM

*cough* so who's gonna be in charge of the group buy *cough*
<333
-los

DALAZ_68

12-07-2008, 10:08 AM

Problem is we don't have CAs lying around
nor do we plan on getting one anything soon.

sadly...

thats all i hear...:naw:

ManoNegra

12-07-2008, 02:20 PM

*cough* so who's gonna be in charge of the group buy *cough*
<333
-los

no idea, too soon to tell

sadly...
thats all i hear...:naw:

one of prices to pay for being unique... :goyou:

well we've been staring at the block for a bit today
and tackling the fittings issue some more
we think we may be able tp keep both fittings
perpendicular to the face
we'll see

if anyone can post common pics of oil pressure sender units
and oil temp senders that would help a little

Dousan_PG

12-07-2008, 02:28 PM

is it the head of the -10?
or the size of the hole (threaded part)

u doing 3/8 or 1/2 npt to -10?

such a great idea

ManoNegra

12-07-2008, 03:41 PM

is it the head of the -10?
or the size of the hole (threaded part)

u doing 3/8 or 1/2 npt to -10?

such a great idea

the thread hole size isn't to big an issue
it's tight but they fit

it's the 10AN hex profile that's the problem
you need to clear that while it turns to thread
aswell as the 7/8" socket required to thread it

we are going to try using a 10AN orb adapter fitting
the ones with the o-ring

http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/images/3008_985064.jpg

since it's a smaller depth than what a 3/8 or 1/5 NPT calls for
remember the oil filter threaded part sticks out ~1" so the
block needs to be at least that thick plus the fitting thread depth

also it's easier to tap a 3/4-16 thread than it is to tap tapered NPT ones

the oil flow channel isn't affected one bit

thinking 1/8 npt spaced 90 degrees from each for the ports
plenty of room for the sensor senders

hope to have something to show by tonight
*crosses fingers*

96Turbo

12-07-2008, 04:33 PM

here's an example of an aftermarket pressure and temp sender

the big one is pressure, while the smaller one is temp

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj187/crazyhazey33/My%20S13/100_3607.jpg

NemeGuero

12-07-2008, 07:10 PM

Google and you can find a bunch of pics and details. I have a folder at work. I'll post the pics tomorrow.

I hope you left enough material to finish those pieces.

NemeGuero

12-08-2008, 04:50 PM

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/kaoilblock.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/oilpressurevalve.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/Tomei_193068_2.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/Tomei_193068_3.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/Tomei_193068_4.jpg

NemeGuero

12-08-2008, 04:50 PM

that center bore you have, is it going to be tight fit on the output shaft from the block? Do you have an o-ring groove?

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/TomeiExample1.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/NemeGuero/TomeiExample2.jpg

Here is to show that all the sensors should be on the return port.. after the filter.

Yes I'm bitter. haha, but I did all my homework.
the -10AN fitting has a 3/8 NPT on the reverse side. I'm sure you guys know how to tap NPT threads?
http://www.fastpts.com/hazel-doc/fittings.gif

ManoNegra

12-08-2008, 06:54 PM

now I know why no one makes a KA oil block
the placing of the fittings is a bitch
it'd be so much easier to make one for the SR

we hit a block yesterday with tooling
and we're at work again today
so it'll be a little while till we get some free time to
spend on this again
i'll update then

dirtdiggler666

12-08-2008, 07:06 PM

well when you finish this i want one:drool:

bejota180sx

12-08-2008, 07:14 PM

hey, i didn't want to make a new thread with this stupid question... sorry to thread jack... but do you KA guys know of any reliable seller/company that makes a sandwich plate for KA... a friend of mine is looking for one that has a port for a turbo oil line...

thanks...

oh btw i tried to convince him to wait for when you guys finished that adapter but no go with his cheap ass...

projectRDM

12-08-2008, 08:33 PM

Greddy sells a sandwich plate with extra ports in it. I'm using one for oil temp and pressure, with the oil feed in the OE block. There's knock-offs on Ebay but one of the ports is a 3/8" so you need to make a reducer bushing by tapping/threading a step down into it.

Could you guys increase the outer dimensions a bit to be able to fit both lines more comfortably? I figure once the base is sealed with a flange you can enlarge the rest of the body to accept more ports.

awesomenick

12-09-2008, 07:24 AM

What about on of these? Nice idea. I might pick one up if I can afford it.

http://members.shaw.ca/wyntonm/pic/10AN%20Weld(gal).jpg

ManoNegra

12-09-2008, 08:14 AM

that center bore you have, is it going to be tight fit on the output shaft from the block? Do you have an o-ring groove?

we're planning on adding the groove and o-ring for proper sealing.

the -10AN fitting has a 3/8 NPT on the reverse side. I'm sure you guys know how to tap NPT threads?

That's just one style of fittings.
AN fittings can have just about anything on the other side.
hell, we could even make our own custom ones
again, reason why we're going to try using the fitting I mentioned is because the hole needed isn't as deep as the 3/8 NPT one.
And yes, we know how to tap NPT threads.

Could you guys increase the outer dimensions a bit to be able to fit both lines more comfortably? I figure once the base is sealed with a flange you can enlarge the rest of the body to accept more ports.

We'll offset the placement of the fittings to make sure they clear.
We'll also check the rest of the clearance issues once we have a prototype
and revise whatever needs be.
If this doesn't work or looks like ass we may scratch this design
and try one that uses one or two 90 degree fittings
should help with clearance issues but would be more $$$.

NemeGuero

12-09-2008, 08:53 AM

NO 90 DEGREE FITTINGS!!

And ya, do what Russ is saying about opening it up. I had enough clearance in my cad files. What Diameter are you using for the main ports?

240sxScores

12-21-2008, 09:15 PM

Any updates on this project?

irax

12-22-2008, 07:51 AM

NO 90 DEGREE FITTINGS!!

And ya, do what Russ is saying about opening it up. I had enough clearance in my cad files. What Diameter are you using for the main ports?

what about a 45 degree fitting?

ManoNegra

12-22-2008, 08:30 AM

Haven't forgotten about this
but it's the holidays and we're super busy
with our own personal broken down POSs and work.

Turns out the threaded part that comes out the KA block unscrews
which allows for a much greater deal of flexibility in the design -
this means that the oil block can be a smaller profile and won't
need angled fittings

just finished getting my friend's daily on the road again
so I'm hoping we can squeeze some time during the holidays to
work on this again.

i need tires

12-28-2008, 11:01 PM

nice! read this whole thread, i really really need one! about to break down the KA in prep for turbo this would make things a lot easier.

FaLKoN240

01-01-2009, 03:05 AM

I've got a ghetto T fitting on my KA-T right now that I want to replace for reliability and consistency...

Shit sucks.

ManoNegra

01-08-2009, 07:55 PM

update
almost there

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9945/almostthereqz3.jpg

ryan hagen

01-08-2009, 09:44 PM

when you have a price let me know, i m in

irax

01-09-2009, 12:46 AM

update
almost there

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9945/almostthereqz3.jpg

wow dude that thing is way huge!

240sxScores

01-09-2009, 12:53 AM

Awesome, i cant wait to see these things finished.

ManoNegra

01-09-2009, 07:50 AM

wow dude that thing is way huge!

That's what she said!
:keke:

if you look at this picture
you'll notice the oil return that protrudes from the block
tha's the reason for the height
(hope the owner of the pic doesn't mind)

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/onefast240/MotorBuild034.jpg

we were thinking of making a smaller profile
piece to replace that one on the block
but that's more time and $$$

the placement and relation of the AN fitting to each other
has been solved
we're still tinkering with the 1/8 fittings though

edit:
wait, maybe I misunderstood you
if you're referring to the thick square block underneath
that's a set-up fixture
not part of the final design

DALAZ_68

01-09-2009, 07:52 AM

so u guys making one for my CA now that i hooked u up on the exhaust lol :p

ManoNegra

01-09-2009, 08:02 AM

took that last pic on my way out last night
here's a couple more without the set-up block

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/272/nofixturefittingsrq7.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8214/nofixturesendersj7.jpg

ManoNegra

01-09-2009, 08:07 AM

so u guys making one for my CA now that i hooked u up on the exhaust lol :p

still no idea how the CA looks like
and it'd be hard to sell enough to offset
production/development costs let alone make a buck

unless you want to pay a few thousand for yours.... :faint:

japslapsilvia

01-09-2009, 08:08 AM

are you sealing the "an" fitting with crush washers or is it chamfered and using an o-ring?

ManoNegra

01-09-2009, 08:12 AM

are you sealing the "an" fitting with crush washers or is it chamfered and using an o-ring?

o-ring type

http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/images/3008_985064.jpg

40daws

01-09-2009, 01:15 PM

How much and when ,because I am in.

proughj

01-09-2009, 01:44 PM

i want one to so price please

dirtdiggler666

01-09-2009, 03:52 PM

i think you sould setup a group buy

projectRDM

01-09-2009, 03:59 PM

I like it, you guys did good.

ManoNegra

01-09-2009, 08:25 PM

final design
added a contour to the top
and changed the size of the chamfer
all that's left is drilling/taping
send to anodizing
and a trip to Earl's

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7963/skullredesignjo2.jpg

theronin

01-09-2009, 08:27 PM

looks amazing, great job!

sac

01-09-2009, 08:31 PM

looks really good.
i really like it.

ManoNegra

01-09-2009, 08:34 PM

we're referring to it as the "skull and bones" oil block

wickedjester

01-09-2009, 10:28 PM

good luck it looks like fun

ill be interested when the time comes around looks soo sick

Silverstreek

01-10-2009, 12:06 PM

hell.... yeah...badass

Homer_Simpson

01-10-2009, 02:31 PM

i think you sould setup a group buy

Agreed, please add me to the list when you're done because I want one.

NemeGuero

01-10-2009, 05:28 PM

So I'm gonna come pick one of those bad boys up, yah Juan? hehe

Ruff Ryder 6

01-10-2009, 10:45 PM

price please, i want in as well
and the pic for the final design is broken

92SChassis

01-11-2009, 09:27 AM

Damn, they look gorgeous.

No love for the CA though....=(

irax

01-11-2009, 09:48 AM

T
edit:
wait, maybe I misunderstood you

no, you understood me and answered my question. and it makes sense...

time to make this thing HUGE in a good way! if only i still had a KA id buy one in a heart beat!

240sxScores

01-15-2009, 01:42 AM

Is there just one port for a oil pressure sender? Or 2 so you can run temp and pressure?

ManoNegra

01-15-2009, 07:47 AM

Is there just one port for a oil pressure sender? Or 2 so you can run temp and pressure?

There will be 3 in total

------------------------------------

we are returning the Earl's fittings we got
we want them anodized not painted
and they deviate from the AN standard
found another source
they should be here today

Slidin240Wayz

01-15-2009, 08:17 AM

sexy stuff..........

Om1kron

01-15-2009, 08:43 AM

I'll take yours since you don't need it anymore =P

hunter8411

01-15-2009, 09:01 AM

So there is gonna be 3 ports, so you can run Oil pressure, Oil Temp, and a Oil sending line for your turbo? Damn count me in for sure on one. Let me know when you get a price.

gunluvS14

01-15-2009, 09:32 AM

wow nice stuff, I like this alot

91silvia

01-15-2009, 10:42 AM

I'm in, too. I've been looking to do a filter relocation and oil cooler and it looks like this would be perfect for what I need.

ManoNegra

01-19-2009, 07:59 PM

ok, here we go...
everything has been done (tooling, set-ups, parts, etc)
all that's left is anodizing
so the first few parts should be in theory ready by the weekend

shitty phone pics to show fitment

OEM set up
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7859/stockoilfilterpj6.jpg

Clearance

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5426/clerancekr9.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6795/clearancewr7.jpg

Oly thing is that in order to keep the fittings perpendicular to the unit we had to use 8AN
10AN would mean a funky contraption and mostly likely angled fittings, ultimately more $$
don't know if that's a deal breaker for some
our boss, who is a 40 year plus car guy, tells us 8AN it's fine for our application

another thing,
I was thinking anodizing them blue as a Premie tribute
with black fittings I think It'd look pretty cool
maybe subsequent batches will be a different color?
haven't decided yet
group buy should be coming soon

comments?

Silverstreek

01-19-2009, 08:24 PM

ManoNegra

01-19-2009, 08:35 PM

what do most setup's like this usually run? do they normally run 10AN and that's why you were trying to do 10AN or what? don't really understand, since i've never had one of these before. but i'm guessing i'll need one since i'll be going ka-t soon and this will make things easier apparently.
and sorry, probably missed it, but we'll still have to buy the oil filter relocation part right? so as long as it's got 8AN fittings on the part that the oil filter screws on to, it's good to go?

Most people prefer 10AN
why? I'm not quite sure
you can still run 10AN on the relocation bracket and cooler
you'll just need a few resizing fittings
yeah, you still need to buy the relocation part
but there are plenty of those to choose from

lflkajfj12123

01-19-2009, 08:36 PM

oh snap

count me in on this

NemeGuero

01-19-2009, 09:00 PM

Yeah, I'm waiting for one.

ManoNegra

01-19-2009, 11:44 PM

I'll let you know when it's ready Evan.

Damn, did something happen to your car?

fromxtor

01-19-2009, 11:50 PM

At work I assemble up to -20 AN lines, trust me -8 is plenty big enough. Our aircraft external power/hydraulic units only use -16 lines, so you all should be fine.

SoBay240guy

01-20-2009, 10:20 AM

...Hi all I'm the forsaken CNC machinist/setup/guy who made the parts.

When looking at the -10 fittings we realized that in all the popular combinations available the fitting is the actual restriction, to go to a true -10 fitting (where the ID = 10x 1/16") which has a 5/8, or .625 ID, we would have fittings which would need a center to center distance of over 1.625" to make them installable. Making the part much larger, not to mention that the more volume the setup has the more time spent before the oil gets to the engine, (think turbo lag people, same idea...but with your oil)
the fittings that we chose have a 3/8 ID which given the size of our galley's will not be a restriction.

I would not recommend running -10 lines as the volume is going to make for a long dry period.

M

chuy

01-20-2009, 07:23 PM

On the group buy is there an estimate that we can look at, so we can save our pennies?

cdlong

01-20-2009, 08:06 PM

i'm in for one too. i could care less about anodizing, after it's installed, no one will ever see it again.

Adikt

01-20-2009, 09:42 PM

Awesome I've been waiting for something like this for a long time.

Silverstreek

01-20-2009, 10:37 PM

Most people prefer 10AN
why? I'm not quite sure
you can still run 10AN on the relocation bracket and cooler
you'll just need a few resizing fittings
yeah, you still need to buy the relocation part
but there are plenty of those to choose from

well, sounds good then. i'm interested....

let5l1de

01-21-2009, 01:57 AM

ManoNegra

01-21-2009, 07:52 AM

Thanks for all the kind words

we have some finished parts left over from the development phase
that we were thinking of holding on to and sending to anodize along the next batch
reason being it costs the same to anodize 5 pieces as it does to do 30
but if some of you don't care then they're technically ready

Mike and I will have a talk today and see what's what

daverussell

01-21-2009, 07:59 AM

Just curious, they look the same but, will this work for the SOHC as well? Or just the DOHC? Thanks.

Dave

ManoNegra

01-21-2009, 08:11 AM

We developed them specifically for DOHC KAs
so don't know if they'll work on SOHC KAs
if we had access to one locally we could check

Ruff Ryder 6

01-21-2009, 08:24 AM

Good i was actually hoping for -8AN because i bought a used oil cooler from a Nascar team on ebay and the fittings were -8. Let me know when i can get a hold of one. Oil cooler is next on my list of mods to complete.

Om1kron

01-22-2009, 03:06 PM

sick titties, I want one.

NemeGuero

01-22-2009, 03:11 PM

Its for KA silly man.

You don't have one of those.

Om1kron

01-22-2009, 03:19 PM

um do they look like these?

ka24de longblock.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/My%20Cars/1996%20240sx%20Kouki/2008-12-10%20-%20Harness/2008-12-10017.jpg

ka24de shortblock

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/My%20Cars/1996%20240sx%20Kouki/ka24de/2008-08-25002.jpg

now in the future if I want any lip from you I'll unzip my pants ok boy!

lol

NemeGuero

01-22-2009, 03:23 PM

Heh, you said long block.

ManoNegra

01-22-2009, 03:58 PM

Purchased Group Buy rights last night
but I'm not allowed to start a new thread in that forum
waiting on either RFJ or West to get back to me

Om1kron

01-22-2009, 04:20 PM

siiiick............

FaLKoN240

01-22-2009, 05:42 PM

...This is relevant to my interests...

If I don't sell my car that is.

dynamicck

01-22-2009, 06:17 PM

That's sweet!
Put me down for one Skull and Bone oil adapter.

sac

01-22-2009, 07:07 PM

dont close the group buy WITHOUT letting ME know.
i will try to remember as well.

9s13Coupe3SX

01-22-2009, 10:12 PM

im in, sign me up for an group buy.

deuceforty

01-22-2009, 10:24 PM

ill take one as well

KA-T_240

01-22-2009, 11:14 PM

I guess I have not seen this posted yet....

GReddy Oil Cooler Adaptor W/Thermostat 12401123 (http://www.240sxmotoring.com/groilcoadw.html)

It is suppose to fit on a KA. I was looking at trying this because it has the built in thermostat.

NemeGuero

01-23-2009, 12:50 AM

Its still a sandwich. This one is a complete thing, no adapter.

deuceforty

01-23-2009, 12:59 AM

Its still a sandwich. This one is a complete thing, no adapter.

:bigok:

right on the money. id rather have a one piece bolt on unit that has my ports already taken care of then worry about sandwich plates cracking etc.

ManoNegra

01-23-2009, 08:08 AM

Well for some reason or another that I can't seem to get answered
I still don't have Group Buy access
West PMd me last night saying everything looked fine
but here we're still waiting

chuy

01-23-2009, 09:07 AM

Damn who I need to talk to get that privilege.

NemeGuero

01-23-2009, 11:08 AM

:bigok:

right on the money. id rather have a one piece bolt on unit that has my ports already taken care of then worry about sandwich plates cracking etc.

DUH, I made the thread.

daverussell

01-23-2009, 01:25 PM

I would like one too.

480sx

01-23-2009, 08:32 PM

Subscribed, im in, cash in hand. I was actually going to make a CAD program for one of these but you beat me to it. If you cant beat em, join em. :D

Anodizing would be cool, but if its going to jack up the price by much id skip it. Ka-T crowd is cheap by nature, we dont need the frills.

dirtdiggler666

01-23-2009, 09:04 PM

yes if Anodizing jacks up the price i say forget it and slang them like hot cakes

and do we have a price yet??

LigouriRd

01-24-2009, 10:15 AM

yes if Anodizing jacks up the price i say forget it and slang them like hot cakes

and do we have a price yet??
:stupid:
Yeah, I too have the funds ready for a group buy. Let us know where and when to send it.

Pacman

01-24-2009, 11:37 AM

I wanna see one of these with all the fittings, filter, and everything essentially hooked up. The pics are good but I'm having a hard time picturing how it all works. :/

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 01:09 PM

I wanna see one of these with all the fittings, filter, and everything essentially hooked up. The pics are good but I'm having a hard time picturing how it all works. :/

Picture any oil relocation/cooler set up that doesn't use a sandwich plate :s101:

ok, I PMd everyone on this thread that's shown interest
and offered them one NOT anodized
we only have a handful at the moment
so it's first come first serve
the money we collect from these will be used to buy
more material and parts for a bigger production run
if someone is in the Carson Socal area and wants
to pick one up in person
they're welcome to stop by, PM me.

edit: I'm still trying to figure out why I can't start a thread in the Group Buy section

deuceforty

01-24-2009, 02:26 PM

payment sent

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 02:35 PM

3 units are claimed, paid for
thanks 480sx, Homer_Simpson and deuceforty
post office was closed by the time we got down there
so they will got out on Monday

3 are left up for grabs

Group Buy is up and running

http://zilvia.net/f/group-buys/236376-skull-bones-ka-oil-adaptor-block-introductory-group-buy.html#post2590934

FaLKoN240

01-24-2009, 02:49 PM

Just curious, could I use this for a turbo oil feed?

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 02:54 PM

Thanks 91silvia

2 units left now

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 03:01 PM

Thanks 9s13Coupe3SX
set one aside for you local pick up

1 left to go
after that just referr to the group buy thread

cdlong

01-24-2009, 03:03 PM

is that going to be the going price or are they going up/down with the full group buy? does it include fittings and any seals or do we need to get that seperately?

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 03:05 PM

group buy price is $135 paypal plus shipping
everything except the block gasket is included
all details are addressed in the group buy page

FaLKoN240

01-24-2009, 03:23 PM

group buy price is $135 paypal plus shipping
everything except the block gasket is included
all details are addressed in the group buy page

Would you just need a OEM gasket from Nissan?

And what about my question?

Just curious, could I use this for a turbo oil feed?

On your advertiser/group buy thread you said that you would use these for an oil cooler set up, but what about KA-T? Most people use the oil filter location for Oil feed.

I have a T off from my oil pressure sensor, but I really don't like using that.

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 03:33 PM

Would you just need a OEM gasket from Nissan?

or just use gasket maker

On your advertiser/group buy thread you said that you would use these for an oil cooler set up, but what about KA-T? Most people use the oil filter location for Oil feed.

I have a T off from my oil pressure sensor, but I really don't like using that.

1/8 NPT is a very common connection
you'd use a 1/8 NPT to whatever fitting the hose you're using has

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 04:55 PM

all of the first blocks are spoken for
thank you all

FaLKoN240

01-24-2009, 04:59 PM

all of the first blocks are spoken for
thank you all

:( When will you have more?

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 05:23 PM

It'll take us about a month to make another run

projectRDM

01-24-2009, 06:17 PM

Would you just need a OEM gasket from Nissan?

On your advertiser/group buy thread you said that you would use these for an oil cooler set up, but what about KA-T? Most people use the oil filter location for Oil feed.

I have a T off from my oil pressure sensor, but I really don't like using that.

Use RTV. It seals fine that way, no need for a paper gasket.

The three ports can be used for an oil pressure sender, oil temperature sender, and an oil feed for a turbo. Or, block the ones you don't use.

I like it guys, I may get one next month but I'd prefer it in raw aluminum, I don't want it anodized unless it's gloss black.

NemeGuero

01-24-2009, 06:43 PM

Use RTV. It seals fine that way, no need for a paper gasket.

The three ports can be used for an oil pressure sender, oil temperature sender, and an oil feed for a turbo. Or, block the ones you don't use.

I like it guys, I may get one next month but I'd prefer it in raw aluminum, I don't want it anodized unless it's gloss black.

true.
about the anodizing.

ManoNegra

01-24-2009, 07:55 PM

a dark gray or dark color with red fittings was
what I had originally in mind
but figured blue was cooler this being Zilvia and all
hard anodizing would be perfect but it adds
a layer of material to the units
meaning we'd have to re-tap threads
so blue it is for now
but yeah, it'd be simple to set a few aside
for those that don't want them anodized

projectRDM

01-24-2009, 10:02 PM

Raw with the black fittings is perfect IMO. I'm not a fan of the multi colored flashy engine bay.

Silverstreek

01-27-2009, 10:30 PM

ManoNegra

01-28-2009, 12:34 AM

hey, mano just curious, how far are you guys going to be going on developing new products for the ka? i was thinking of a few things today that would be good for ka owners that i feel might help us out.
i don't want to jack this thread, so if you'd prefer me to pm you with what i'm talking about i'd be more than happy to.

lol, we've had a few things suggested to us already
after we finish with these blocks
I'm thinking I'll start a thread specifically asking for things
people may be interested in
mind you, we have a few things of our own
that we want to work on
including a project we put on hold to make the KA blocks

flip240

01-28-2009, 01:05 AM

very interesting thread. just happened to come across this from ka-t forums

NemeGuero

01-28-2009, 06:26 AM

In the big time now Juan! You guys made it to Ka-t! haha

ManoNegra

01-28-2009, 10:26 PM

I understand the UPS packages with the first few pieces are arriving
Homer_Simpson got his and the others should soon
If you guys care to share your impressions
I'm curious and anxious to know what you guys think
now that you have the parts in your hands
-Juan

chuy

01-29-2009, 07:32 PM

Yea throw improvements so I can get the ver 2

BigVinnie

01-29-2009, 08:40 PM

Call me stupid, but why not use a 300z (z32) oil cooler kit?
VG30de and KA24de use the same oil filter, is it because you want it sandwiched differently?
Greddy and stillen both offer kits, but I don't believe that they are bolt on to the block from what I've seen from the kits.

awesomenick

01-29-2009, 09:28 PM

Just because they use the same oil filter, does not mean they use the same pedestal(?). The part that goes between the filter and the block is what this replaces. The point of this is to eliminate the need for a sandwich plate.

Sandwich plates look half assed, and this thing is bad ass. And is less likely to leak all over.

And, did I say it's bad ass?