sneaky plan -OR- pumping my dad for cash!

[JerkFaceJason]

So the volkswagen is selling, and I got an S13.

So I bought it for cheap, then realized that i didn't want to drive a car with an engine that basically every seal is busted, and the tranny is coming apart at the seams!

My dad owns the volkswagen and says that the money from it will go to 'basic repairs' and maitnence for my 240. Oh yea the amount of money is about +-5,000. :) by now you might see what i'm planning.

I know a guy thats been rebuilding engines/doing swaps for almost 17 years, and he could probably help me out with the hard stuff for a minimum expense.

So to get my plan in motion, it all relies on my dad, who "doesn't approve of car modding". How can I persuade him to let me spend 'general maitnence funds' on a front clip? Is there any legitamite sounding reasons here?

ps: my friend already added the idea of "putting it in neutral and stomping the gas untill the engine blows", to turn a new engine into a 'necessary repair' lol

[Kreator]

Be a man: Earn the money yerself. Or borrow from someone and repay later on if the engine you have is that bad.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by Kreator
Be a man: Earn the money yerself. Or borrow from someone and repay later on if the engine you have is that bad.

I would avoid borrowing money in excess of 200 bucks from a friend (especially if you don't work), I have seen things like that ruin friendships. I would go with the work for it thing.

I have been told various times to crash my parents car (which is basically mine) and collect on the money and buy a 240, but you will regret it.

When I first started working and buying my own things, you begin to appreciate money, and appreciate the thing you buy more, and also learn the real value of money.

If you work and all that, then you already know the value of money, and in which you shouldn't have bought the car unless you have another source of transportation.

[Natty]

Tell him the SR is more efficient.
I don't know if it is or isn't. Lets not start a war over it :)
Jeff

[MasterOFDrift]

i say try to convince your dad that the sr is a superior engine (compared to your wrecked ka) and tell him that the sr can be found with significantly less miles than any Ka for sale ( if you are going to get a new engine). Any legit way of convincing him.

otherwise I say work for the money and accumalate. Stop eating lunch. When going out with friends refuse to go anywhere that costs any money. Pickup all the loose change you see and get. sell anything that you can that is just lying around. start a fundraiser : P

I am on my way to the sr20det or ca18det. all mods on my car was paid by myself and I DO appreciate everything i have THAT much more cause I earned it myself

[Annoying Eric]

Pull your valve cover off and "opps" i accidently droped 10 bolts in the head....... that should do the job, now you got no motor, and parents (my mother) hates when cars just sit in the back of the driveway, then you tell him how much better the sr is and about the miles and there ya go....

me personally.... i was driving and for like a week my car was just overheating and then it started to die on me, till finally the car stopped starting all together, i then called my dad and HE said it was SR time.. he spotted me the money, and i have payed him back more then half...

[JerkFaceJason]

Thanks all!

to the negative nancies, I do have a job, but I'm still in highschool earning meager wages. Even with cutting expenses, I could only manage about 70$ a week to spend on my car.

[s14 RL]

Even with cheap labor, the cost of parts for repairing the engine can add up quickly--add in the cost of repairing/replacing the transmission and you're most likely better off just dropping in an SR.

[live2drift2live]

well this is a nasty way put sand paper or anything rough on the timing belt and let it run timing belt will rip causing massive damages which will require $$$ and get a nice low mileage SR. Ohh and if your dad doesnt know that much about cars say turbo increases MPG with some scientific explanation.

About money where do you work? personally I work at, funny to say an european car shop. I mean its going to be wierd when there will be a 240 parked next to jags, bmws, mercedes, and a rolls royce. I get 10 bucks an hour.
JBM

[s14 RL]

KA uses a timing chain...

[tnord]

anybody considering sabotage is a fugging scumbag. ya know what....please, do blow up your motor, because if your dad has any brains (which he might not considering your intelligence level), he'll buy a $500 replacement motor, and you'll be stuck with that. actually, if you were my kid, i'd probably beat you with the driveshaft of the car you destroyed and expect me to pay for. and yeah, the bolts in the head thing will work..........it's not like they won't notice that when they take it apart to see what happened. you people suck..........you really do.......i hope you wrap your car around a telephone pole.

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by JerkFaceJason
Thanks all!

to the negative nancies, I do have a job, but I'm still in highschool earning meager wages. Even with cutting expenses, I could only manage about 70$ a week to spend on my car.

im glad people flamed you. i dindt read your post but i read the bold and i read wat Kreator wrote. and they are all right. be a man and pay for mods yourself.

so wat if your in HS? and only get paid ****. it doesnt matter. u dont need all these thigns RIGHT now do u? i dont think so. everybody has expenses, and other things to take care of. thats life. live with it. pay for your own things. the only thing i see mom and dad should be paying for or helping you out with is, helping you pay a bit of rent when needed when you move out for college. and anything else if your in a tight spot. having them pay for fixing up ur car is gay.

i remember some newbie posted something similar to this. talking about hydrolocking his car so that his dad can buy him a SR. pathetic.

[elevator]

My son converted me to these cars. You can convert your dad too! Just ask him to join you in a father/son project!!

"Hooked on Nissan...Worked for me!"

[elevator]

Originally posted by Kreator
Be a man: Earn the money yerself.
Shoot! He's a kid...who has money as a kid?
That's what dads are for....to build cars with .....and bail you out when you get busted for stupid kid stuff!:)

[96SEChick]

Originally posted by tnord
anybody considering sabotage is a fugging scumbag. ya know what....please, do blow up your motor, because if your dad has any brains (which he might not considering your intelligence level), he'll buy a $500 replacement motor, and you'll be stuck with that. actually, if you were my kid, i'd probably beat you with the driveshaft of the car you destroyed and expect me to pay for. and yeah, the bolts in the head thing will work..........it's not like they won't notice that when they take it apart to see what happened. you people suck..........you really do.......i hope you wrap your car around a telephone pole.

AMEN!! If your dad is paying for the repairs w/ the money THEY got selling one of THEIR cars, be honest about it. They worked hard for that car, and you should only get the car fixed, the engine rebuilt/replaced--ONLY WHAT THE CAR NEEDS TO GET YOU THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL. Don't be a wallet-digger. They're your parents. Don't you think your dad's going to wonder why your "new" engine has to be shipped from Japan? Don't you think he's going to wonder why the "new" engine has a turbo and your old one doesn't? I don't think he's going to fall into the line: "Dad, that's what is wrong with the current engine--the turbo went bad and they must have taken it off....."

Get your KA fixed and save that $70/week for a turbo for your repaired/replaced KA. $70/week is more than I can save and I'm 26. You're a fortunate kid to get such a cool car at your age. Take care of it and don't screw up the relationship & trust you have built w/ your dad. You'll regret it in the end.

Now, if you mention it and he goes for it--good job. At least you were honest in asking for the mods you want, instead of trying to screw him out of them.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by SilviaDriver
im glad people flamed you. i dindt read your post but i read the bold and i read wat Kreator wrote. and they are all right. be a man and pay for mods yourself.

so wat if your in HS? and only get paid ****. it doesnt matter. u dont need all these thigns RIGHT now do u? i dont think so. everybody has expenses, and other things to take care of. thats life. live with it. pay for your own things. the only thing i see mom and dad should be paying for or helping you out with is, helping you pay a bit of rent when needed when you move out for college. and anything else if your in a tight spot. having them pay for fixing up ur car is gay.

i remember some newbie posted something similar to this. talking about hydrolocking his car so that his dad can buy him a SR. pathetic.


I am assuming this guy is calling me nancy for telling him not to do it.

Well anyway, unless after graduating HS you get a job that pays 3 times the amount ur getting now, I don't think you will be able to afford an SR. I have been on this board for quite some time asking loads of questions. And If I really wanted to I could have gotten my parents to get me a car last year, and then get an SR or CA in June, but I decided to just pay for the car myself (due to me having to pay them back eventually), then I postponed the engine swap (most likely a CA) till March Next year.

A lot of people do run into errors with these swaps, and your dad is only going to get really ****ed off when you constantly are asking for money to do this and that to the car.

And you said he hates doing stuff to cars, so when you come home with exhaust and guages and stuff (cuz no1 ever keeps it stock) he isn't going to be very happy.

But do what you got to do, its your money (well not really), your dad, your car.

[SR240DET]

[i]otherwise I say work for the money and accumalate. Stop eating lunch. When going out with friends refuse to go anywhere that costs any money. Pickup all the loose change you see and get. sell anything that you can that is just lying around. start a fundraiser : P

I am on my way to the sr20det or ca18det. all mods on my car was paid by myself and I DO appreciate everything i have THAT much more cause I earned it myself [/B]

i strongly agree with you MasterOFDrift... thats what im diong now... except the foundraiser.... lol... but i blew off friends for 3 months... they understand... and i miss getting trashed... but after all iv been/going through.... and once i install my sr my self.... ill have alot more pride in my work... dont be a puss... JerkFaceJason... (not flamming you) taking the easy way out is for jerkfaces... :p :p :p

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by gladhatter
Shoot! He's a kid...who has money as a kid?
That's what dads are for....to build cars with .....and bail you out when you get busted for stupid kid stuff!:)

I am assuming he is b/w 16-18. His is not really a kid anymore, he is a young adult, who has to learn responsiblities.Both you and I do not know his situation, but at this age he should be able to save the money himself.

Your dad is already willing to pay for all repairs towards the car, don't take advantage of that very generous privelage, just get a new KA, and drive it till you save enough money.

Also keep in mind he will be going to college soon, where he will be on his own (unless he commutes), if you don't start paying your own way, you are going to be constantly coming back to your dad for money when in need. Soon enough your dad will cut you off, and you WILL HAVE to work for yourself.

[elevator]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
Your dad is already willing to pay for all repairs towards the car, don't take advantage of that very generous privelage... I don't dissagree with that

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
Also keep in mind he will be going to college soon, where he will be on his own (unless he commutes), if you don't start paying your own way, you are going to be constantly coming back to your dad for money when in need. Soon enough your dad will cut you off, and you WILL HAVE to work for yourself.
"Cut you off"?
Hey, kids grow up too fast today. Enjoy being a kid and living with Mom and Dad! The key is to get dad involved in the project with you. He'll appreciate it and probably be more willing to help out with the necessary additions.

[misnomer]

Yeah, don't sabotage your car. I don't expect you were considering it, but a lot more assholes around here were than I would have expected ;-)

You guys missed the most important post, from a dad no less! Take it on as a father/son project, see if he will help you work on it and get it going. Also keep in mind that you don't NEED an SR (a motor I am rapidly beginning to consider as one of the most overrated right now). Most of these folks with SRs are buying a name. The KA (yes, even the SOHC) has the same potential, perhaps more. If your dad has already promised the money from the sale of the volkswagon to go into repairing your car, then goodie. If he knows it was in bad condition when you guys bought it, then I'd assume he expected to work on it. Have him help.

Most of all, be honest. The SR is a more efficient motor (power for gas), and more fun to drive. Lying to get an upgrade is one of the more deplorable traits high school car kids do nowadays.

Gladhatter is wise :P I moved out last summer, but still go home all the time for the free food and lack of care that real life gives you :P

[elevator]

Hey, look at the plus sides of getting dad on your side!! Glad Jr and I go to the drift circuit all the time. (mother Glad wasn't for it at first, but she'd rather we did it together than Jr on his own) If something gets screwed up we have to fix it together. 2 of us together can convince motherGlad easier than one of us.:D I am now as big an addict as jr is.

[tnord]

Originally posted by gladhatter
I don't dissagree with that


"Cut you off"?
Hey, kids grow up too fast today. Enjoy being a kid and living with Mom and Dad! The key is to get dad involved in the project with you. He'll appreciate it and probably be more willing to help out with the necessary additions.

i don't know how you guys do it over there on the other side of the pond..........but being a kid, being responsible, and acting with dignity are not mutually exclusive. being a kid does not equate to lying and digging into daddy's wallet. that's being a snot-nosed punk who needs to get smaked in the face with a stock flywheel.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by gladhatter
[B
"Cut you off"?
Hey, kids grow up too fast today. Enjoy being a kid and living with Mom and Dad! The key is to get dad involved in the project with you. He'll appreciate it and probably be more willing to help out with the necessary additions. [/B]


I see your point, you could be right you could be wrong. It might just be the way I was raised. I am a 16 year-old Senior in high school, so I gotta learn to mature to the level of 18 year olds to fit in.

When I went to visit my cousins over winter my brother and I got a lot of respect for both working, we come from a spoiled family :rolleyes: . So it is just in my nature to tell others to work hard for thier money, but just don't let any of this (car, job) get in the way of school.

[EricP]

i am currently 17...been working since i was 16 so about a year now. Well i just got my S13 about 2 months ago. I'm actually saving up everything i make a month. try saving up at least 1,500 or 2K and ask your dad to help you with the rest. With a part-time job that should only take about 3- 4 months. I'm planning to do that. I've got 1K saved up now but i feel my Ka is fast enough for me rite now so i'm going loox first cuz senior year...my car has gotta look nice!!!!

[EricP]

or u can do the "if i get a 4.0 this semester, buy me an engine deal"
i still got 2 years of HH left, i'm young....*sigh

[elevator]

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with good honest work. I for one was one of those guys who had to work for everything he got. My parents wouldn't even let me get a liscense until I had already bought a car. They figured why let me drive if the only car around was theirs and they weren't about to let me screw up THEIR transportation. That makes sense but I never really had that good of a relationship with my folks. To this day we aren't nearly as close as I am with my inlaws.

I am not a big proponant of high school kids working. I never encouraged it with my kids. (I also never dictated that they NOT have a job) You are young only once. You have a whole life time to work. HS is an experience that can be more fully enjoyed if you don't have the hassles of balancing work with extracurricular stuff. Studying is all the work HSchoolers really need.

I am also a teacher. So I naturally was more interested in their school situation than work experiences.

[misnomer]

Hehehe, when it comes to folks that young, it's not so much working for stuff you want, but deciding which wants you can live without and focussing on the needs.

Needs: sustinence, education, some skill with the ladies, in some instances a car (I'm more of a rural boi, so my parents let me borrow one of the many old cars floating around).

More important wants: a car, a wee bit o cash

You can live without an SR. When I first got my car I was thinking a lot about "must make faster." Then, I moved out, realized what working for your own well being is, and am now "must make last through college." If, god forbid, I have major mechanical problems with my car, I will likely replace the motor, but with another KA. I have grown to know my way around that engine bay pretty well, and love being able to do 95% of the work on the car by myself.

And tnord, you may kick ass, but you are mixing up who said what :P The other zilviaers were suggesting lying and sabotage, our original question was just how to convince dad to spend the money on replacing the KA24 with an SR20 instead of another KA. I agree with you fully on your main point, it's irritating as hell when folks can get daddy to pay for everything, and then brag about what they have. I'll still be happy with what I accomplish on my own.

[JerkFaceJason]

Originally posted by misnomer
Yeah, don't sabotage your car. I don't expect you were considering it, but a lot more assholes around here were than I would have expected ;-)


I appriciate this, and I guess I wasn't clear enough in saying that there were no plans for sabotage. The two main questions from my first post were "How can I persuade him to let me spend 'general maitnence funds' on a front clip? Is there any legitamite sounding reasons here?"

Yea, i guess you could call me a wallet digger if you want, but keep in mind that I'm not asking for anything over what the volkswagen sells for. My dad drove it for as long as he wanted, and decided he didn't want to drive it anymore. So he let me use it. He ends up with the same amount of money if I sold the car or not.

[tnord]

my "comments" were not directed at any specific individual, or at least were not intended.........but more the overall attitude of "gimme gimme gimme" and "if i don't get what i want then i cry like a baby."

[elevator]

I don't think anybody was really serious about that stuff. It was all light hearted goofing around. Its all good.:)

[240racer]

Originally posted by gladhatter
I am also a teacher. So I naturally was more interested in their school situation than work experiences.


You know anybody can coast through high school, it's work experience that dictates whether or not they are picking up their unemployment check each month.

[Kreator]

Originally posted by gladhatter
Shoot! He's a kid...who has money as a kid?
That's what dads are for....to build cars with .....and bail you out when you get busted for stupid kid stuff!:)

Your parents are there to make you appreciate money and beat the crap out of you when you get a ticket or get in jail. At least this is the way i was raised and this is the way i think it should be.

You should be lucky you own a 240 at this age. I got my 240 when i was 18 (second year college) with a good part time job to cover insurance, partly school, partly the house, gas and all the misc crap teenagers spend money on. But what do i know. Get your sr, crash the car cuz you can't drive worth sh!t and make your dad pay for it again. What could be easier?

[elevator]

You yunguns 'll see one day when YOUR kids are old enough to drive YOU nuts! :D http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=319527

[revat619]

Well, I'm 18 (March1) and I have to say, that the father/son project thing is a good idea. I work too and when i first got the car i knew that as for modifications, it was gonna take a while. But both my parents are car nuts so imediately, my mom suggested the father/son project thing. So they do help me out sometimes, but I never ask my parents for any parts. All of times, its them wanting to do things to it themselves. I did a little "research" as to why they are so interested in my car. Come to find out, before i was brought into this world, my dad had a customized datsun 510 (i've seen the pics....one clean ass 510) and a lightly modded 76 camaro (silver and clean) meanwhile "back at the ranch", my mom drove an 84 5-speed celica gt-s (SWEET!!!). After finding and seeing all the pictures, I was like "what the heck, why'd you sell em?" They said "Well, when you were born, it was time to settle down and move on." I guess with my car its sort of rekindled their excitment.

Anyways, what i'm sayin is that just because your parents help you occassionaly, i dont think it should be considered a bad thing. I dont mean to sound sappy, but i think this project thing has really brought me and my folks alot closer. If they OFFER to help you its cool otherwise get stuff on your own. Sorry about the length of my post:)

[240 2NR]

I'm going to agree with tnord on this. For $500 you could pick up some pretty mint KA's that people are throwing away to get their JDM on.

You're still young and inexpeirenced as a driver. Get out to some auto-x's and develop as a driver. In time you'll get better and at somepoint I'm sure you'll find yourself behind the wheel of a fast machine when you can afford it, but swindling your dad for a $5k motor swap seems illogical and more of an arguement than it could ever be worth. I didn't even have my own car in high school, my arguements tended to be just about access to a car. You've got a pretty cool one already, even minus the SR.

[elevator]

It also gives dads an opportunity to live vicariously through their kids.

I love working on the cars but it seems a lot less like mid-life crisis when I can blame it on my kid. :D