too fucking low

[iHeartTheTouge]

so i just got my car on the road today, but the exhaust rapes the pavement like all hell. i refuse to raise more than half an inch. is there any companies besides powered by max that offers a downpipe shorter than factory? i have a project nissan downpipe right now that is clearly not cutting it. any input? check the picture thread for reference. i'm almost tucking rim. thanks in advance for any input. :)

picked the car up May '06, finished it today. my hard work and money will not go in vain!

[Z33dori]

Circuit Sports
D'max

[SoCal-s130]

Cut and weld.

[Grenade180sx]

Cut and weld.


AMEN. do it yourself that way you know it will be perfect.

[Leetheslacker]

let it self clearance.

or if you dont like replacing gaskets every week then cut and weld.

[Koopa Troopa]

Uh, posting pics would help

[silviachik420]

i know you dont wana hear this and dont care


but the cars WAY to low in the rear not only will your CV's see hell at that angle but everything else will be out of wack also.... i mean it would look bad ass about 1inch higher in the back right now looks like you are loaded down with a ton of bricks right now


i had my car SLAMED after ripping the greddy full system off and a nice hole in my greddy sump pan i would rather have my car 4x4 then look like a dick dragging my car threw the parking lot...... my .02

[SoSideways]

i know you dont wana hear this and dont care


but the cars WAY to low in the rear not only will your CV's see hell at that angle but everything else will be out of wack also.... i mean it would look bad ass about 1inch higher in the back right now looks like you are loaded down with a ton of bricks right now


i had my car SLAMED after ripping the greddy full system off and a nice hole in my greddy sump pan i would rather have my car 4x4 then look like a dick dragging my car threw the parking lot...... my .02

Yeah, but there's sensible slamming, with clearance being in mind, and then there's stupid douche slamming, when the owner's an idiot and has no idea why his car's scrapping on everything and breaks his car from the senseless slamming.

[Cloud9]

i know you dont wana hear this and dont care


but the cars WAY to low in the rear not only will your CV's see hell at that angle but everything else will be out of wack also.... i mean it would look bad ass about 1inch higher in the back right now looks like you are loaded down with a ton of bricks right now


i had my car SLAMED after ripping the greddy full system off and a nice hole in my greddy sump pan i would rather have my car 4x4 then look like a dick dragging my car threw the parking lot...... my .02


FAIL, move to florida and enjoy life there. Some exhaust are lower that others which is why the op is asking about others. I have a greddy down pipe and is see's the cement often, buy i believe the circuit sports is a thinner design.

[Silverbullet]

i know you dont wana hear this and dont care


but the cars WAY to low in the rear not only will your CV's see hell at that angle but everything else will be out of wack also....



thats the least of what slammed car owners should worry about. He should consider the fact that his cars come from the factory with suspension geometries engineered. The further away the roll center gets from the center of gravity of the car, the worse the car handles.


...
But yes, Circuit Sports does make an oval shaped down pipe that does not pass the frame rail underneath the car.

[tanks13]

a car is never to low just let it scrape until it doesnt it worked for me but just in case just go to the mufflers shop with a bunch of mexican theyll fugure something out for like 60 bucks i fucking love l.a muffler shops hahahaha

[fliprayzin240sx]

i know you dont wana hear this and dont care


but the cars WAY to low in the rear not only will your CV's see hell at that angle but everything else will be out of wack also.... i mean it would look bad ass about 1inch higher in the back right now looks like you are loaded down with a ton of bricks right now


i had my car SLAMED after ripping the greddy full system off and a nice hole in my greddy sump pan i would rather have my car 4x4 then look like a dick dragging my car threw the parking lot...... my .02

How about learning how to drive a lowered car. My S14 was so low, I would catch freeway reflectors when I change lanes with my bumper and rear exhaust flange on my Blitz Nur Spec...:s101:

Anyways, back to the OP, personally, I'd take it to a muffler shop and have them cut and reweld it. Itll be cheaper than buying another DP.

[racepar1]

Put hose clamps around the exhaust hangers to pull the exhaust tighter up against the chasis.

[zaquanh]

cut and reweld

[240cracker]

i had mine cut and welded but i think once i slam it with the wheels tucked its still going to scrape big speed bumps and shit.

i run a megan down pipe.

it deff helped a lot more. i thought about making a gaurd for where it scarpes. mine is right at the test pipe

[SoSideways]

i had mine cut and welded but i think once i slam it with the wheels tucked its still going to scrape big speed bumps and shit.

i run a megan down pipe.

it deff helped a lot more. i thought about making a gaurd for where it scarpes. mine is right at the test pipe

That's your first problem right there, running a Megan downpipe.

Get yourself a Circuit Sport or Moon Face one and you would hit frame first.

[iHeartTheTouge]

raising it a little right now, i looked at the circuit sports one and jesus... expensive. gotta pay to play though, i'll probably be ordering that tomorrow. thanks for all the input

[240cracker]

i already had the exhaust cut. u think if i put another dp on now it will be ok? (sorry niot trying to thread jack)

[SidewayZ-s14]

+1
with everyone that said cut and weld.
It's what i did, and problem solved.

[DriftMUH]

AMEN. do it yourself that way you know it will be perfect.
i Third that notion.

[zaquanh]

top all those that have there exhaust sitting to low , cut a piece out of your downpipe re weld , problem solved

[Landers]

Put hose clamps around the exhaust hangers to pull the exhaust tighter up against the chasis.



Yep i agree, cheapest route.


thats what you need to do op.

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

Circuit Sports
D'max
i have the Circuit Sports one and its best downpipe i ever bought clearence is amazin i love it:coold:

[kuruptR]

Circuit sports still scrapes at the flange. All DP's have the same exit flange angle so they can bolt up to cat back exhuasts... if you want to push your exhuast up higher, I would suggest re-doing the flanges. Also you should be able to clock some of the flanges to give you more clearance.

[silviachik420]

learn how to drive a lowerd car???

I used to have a bug that you could barley put your finger under the front beam and could barley fit a quarter under the rear collector.Had a few bagged trucks. I know how to drive lowered cars.

Just the point where the Op is at its just not smart, going down the road (60mph) and then all of a sudden theirs a unexpected steel plate where they had construction and you cant swerve because theirs cars on either side of you.....What are you going to do slam the breaks and hit it sideways and cause a accident or maybe get rear ended by the old lady not paying attention behind you, just cuz you wanted to tuck rim???.... Just saying in the Daily Drive world Shit happens!!!

now if your 16 and just wana slam your shit drive up and down your drive way take pics for silvia so you can be the lowest on the forum then I guess thats the cool thing to do right???

[CrazyTrance]

Maybe its "too fucking low"... you said it yourself haha

[WangonwWarrior]

pics or ban :)

[sil*eighty]

pics or your 4X4'n

[silviachik420]

ill help the Op out heres his ride

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[Matej]

Not everyone cares about suspension geometry, not every 240 has to be a race car.

Hose clamps around exhaust hangers

If downpipe sits on ground, get taller motor mounts.

Perhaps larger profile tires, as last resort.

Never raise car, ever.

[racepar1]

Not everyone cares about suspension geometry, not every 240 has to be a race car.

Hose clamps around exhaust hangers

If downpipe sits on ground, get taller motor mounts.

Perhaps larger profile tires, as last resort.

Never raise car, ever.

LOL! Apparently not everyone has a brain, and the ability to use it, either. That white car just looks ridiculous. I don't understand why anybody would think that is cool.

[Matej]

Just because the arms aren't level with the ground doesn't mean the car will automatically go Christine on you. If the owner likes it that way and doesn't care, why should anyone else.

25mm spacer in the rear would work wonders.

[iHeartTheTouge]

i raised it about an inch today, still scraping like a bitch. the exhaust is really stiff too, barely moves. i found a guy who can chop my downpipe so tomorrow or sometime during the week i'm taking it to him, he's cutting out the resonator thats scraping and cutting the downpipe shorter. then going a little lower again, not that low though.

sorry i havent been paying attention to this thread much, been busy. i tried to get a pic of the spot thats scraping but my camera decided to break... again...

it will be low again, i'll get one of my friends to take pics tomorrow of the exhaust and current ride height

LOL! Apparently not everyone has a brain, and the ability to use it, either. That white car just looks ridiculous. I don't understand why anybody would think that is cool.

useful post.

[racepar1]

useful post.

Yeah, just as useful as the post it was responding to.

[xplicit240]

i used the greddy one. it tucks in like stock. also theres plenty of companies that offer the flatter downpipes. if price is no object then go for it.

[240esux]

so go through the trouble of unbolting your motor and getting taller motor mounts,(that will eventually get low again) rather than trim like 1.5 inches off the downpipe??? are you kidding me?
I learned my lesson on the way to willow. my car is slammed and while switching lanes my flange was hitting reflectors and that broke my fuckin exhaust mani. but i refuse to raise my car!!!lol. BUT, i got a flex megan dp and i had some "mexican" exhaust shop get that shit real close to my under body. but there are rules and consiquences of being slammed.:snoop: you just gotta dip. im sure you know your area enough that you know where you can and cant drive your car. gl.

[Matej]

so go through the trouble of unbolting your motor and getting taller motor mounts,(that will eventually get low again) rather than trim like 1.5 inches off the downpipe??? are you kidding me?
Swapping motor mounts shouldn't take anyone more than 30 minutes.
Taller ones make the oil pan and transmission sit higher too, which is nice if you're low.
Solid motor mounts don't eventually get low again.

[Def]

That white car looks like a 10 lb bag of assholes being that low.


But I guess if you're 17 and like to impress the local high schoolers maybe that's the ticket...

[Matej]

Better than trying to impress a bunch of dudes on a car forum.

[Def]

Better than trying to impress a bunch of dudes on a car forum.

Looks like he's not doing either.

So who exactly are you talking about? :duh:

[Matej]

His car looks good.

It's at proper ride height. :)

A spacer in the rear and more negative camber up front and it will be perfect.

[IIIXziuR]

I'm pretty sure its the FNs
Once you change those out the car will ride like a dream.
...better gas mileage too.

[bbejj123]

His car looks good.

It's at proper ride height. :)

A spacer in the rear and more negative camber up front and it will be perfect.

haha finally someone who understands...lower is better :D

[ZenkiCam]

what is happening to zilvia? ahhah is 4x4ing the new fad or some shit. low and slow baby. speedbump see-sawing ftw.

[racepar1]

what is happening to zilvia? ahhah is 4x4ing the new fad or some shit. low and slow baby. speedbump see-sawing ftw.

Honestly man it is about the geometry, but I'm not going to get into that. Maybe if the car had the right amount of camber with the right wheels it would look good. As it sits in those pics.....eeewwwww. Me and def are big into track events so we have different priorities. I can appreciate a very low car, visually that is, but it HAS to be done right or it just comes off as cheap and ricey. I like to see the tires fill the wheelwells on a low car, not tucking the rubber with 17's. That is just ridiculous IMO. But whatever, the OP got his answers and I even provided one of them.

[Def]

what is happening to zilvia? ahhah is 4x4ing the new fad or some shit. low and slow baby. speedbump see-sawing ftw.

I'm into fast cars... that car looks anything but fast. Makes me laugh just thinking about that thing trying to hop curbs and go fast on a track. It'd be putting around 50 mph slower than everybody and still scraping aero and uncut zipties all over the track.

Yes, not every car is a track car, but why not airbag it if all you care about is getting the car stupid low. At least at that point you'd be "doing it right" instead of leaving yourself about 0.5" of travel on "coils."

In the end you're either modifying a car to look a certain way, or make it go fast. That car is a weird combination of all the wrong parts of both schemes of modifying...

[LA_phantom_240]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5877/0918081458ng0.jpg

This is an example of FAIL extract.

[Koopa Troopa]

ill help the Op out heres his ride
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5877/0918081458ng0.jpg


I find that ride height pretty comical considering his screen name is iheartthetouge.... I take it you've never driven on a real road before. Unlike Hondas with their suspension designed by god you can't slam a Nissan and get great handling..

You said you raised it an inch? Raise it 2 more.

[iHeartTheTouge]

I find that ride height pretty comical considering his screen name is iheartthetouge.... I take it you've never driven on a real road before. Unlike Hondas with their suspension designed by god you can't slam a Nissan and get great handling..

You said you raised it an inch? Raise it 2 more.

no i have, i just dont anymore. i had an accident christmas eve a couple years back at 1am. if i hadnt wrecked at that moment, probably would have hurt the people that stopped to help me. who goes to church at 1am?

i will get pics today

Me and def are big into track events so we have different priorities
there arent any tracks within 100 miles of where i live, so its local drift events in parking lots for the most part. unless i can find a truck to use to tow the car.

[Koopa Troopa]

there arent any tracks within 100 miles of where i live, so its local drift events in parking lots for the most part. unless i can find a truck to use to tow the car.

20 bucks says there's an Auto X somewhere within that 100 miles of where you live and it's going on this Sunday.

[iHeartTheTouge]

20 bucks says there's an Auto X somewhere within that 100 miles of where you live and it's going on this Sunday.

Myautoevents says closest is in Pennsylvania. but auto x would probably fall under parking lot events, not track.

[Koopa Troopa]

Myautoevents says closest is in Pennsylvania. but auto x would probably fall under parking lot events, not track.


Yeah, go to a couple of them and learn how to drive. :l101:

[racepar1]

there arent any tracks within 100 miles of where i live, so its local drift events in parking lots for the most part. unless i can find a truck to use to tow the car.

If you cannot feel comfortable driving your car 200mi round trip to get to a track event then you probably shouldn't be driving it at all, much less drifting it. Honestly man low looks good, but there is a limit. You appear to have passed that limit by about 1.5". I know some people say "the lower the better", but it just gets un-realistic and looks dis-tasteful. You seem to be realizing at least the un-realistic part and are willing to raise the car a bit so that shows that you are not a complete moron, just a bit mis-guided. I would like to lower my own car about another 1", but it is just un-realistic for me. As my car sits right now it BARELY fits on the lift at my shop, regularly scrapes the front bumper, hits the frame some on speedbumps occasionally, the tires are just touching the inside of the wheelwells under compression, the control arms are just starting to point upward, and it's not even that low. If I go any lower I would be worried about ball joints and tie rod ends binding in the front suspension and starting to break stuff. I WILL go lower eventually, but only after I do some things to correct the suspension angles and clearence the wheelwells more to maintain full compression travel in the front. I don't want to insult you or your car, I am just making observations based on my opinions and what I KNOW. In the end it is your car and you can run it as low as you feel, just make sure that you know and understand all the facts first.

[iHeartTheTouge]

Yeah, go to a couple of them and learn how to drive. :l101:

yeah i'm not driving 300 miles for an autox. but i did come across one in maryland, so i'm gonna try to make it to that.

[!Zar!]

20 bucks says there's an Auto X somewhere within that 100 miles of where you live and it's going on this Sunday.

Psch, I WISH I had a track 100 miles near me.

You know.

Instead of going to private events which are 3hrs away, or common events which are 6 hrs away.

[Koopa Troopa]

yeah i'm not driving 300 miles for an autox. but i did come across one in maryland, so i'm gonna try to make it to that.

Dude, I wish I could drive 300 miles to go to an Auto X or HPDE or any sanctioned racing event. You know what I have on my little rock?

Once a month I'm lucky if the RCCA has an event going, once a month there is a gymkhana event and other than those two events there's my sig. I totaled 2 cars in the turn pictured.

Stop being lazy and go to events on a regular basis or you'll just end up being like me. Can't drive for shit and has been through 4 cars.

[iHeartTheTouge]

If you cannot feel comfortable driving your car 200mi round trip to get to a track event then you probably shouldn't be driving it at all, much less drifting it. Honestly man low looks good, but there is a limit. You appear to have passed that limit by about 1.5". I know some people say "the lower the better", but it just gets un-realistic and looks dis-tasteful. You seem to be realizing at least the un-realistic part and are willing to raise the car a bit so that shows that you are not a complete moron, just a bit mis-guided. I would like to lower my own car about another 1", but it is just un-realistic for me. As my car sits right now it BARELY fits on the lift at my shop, regularly scrapes the front bumper, hits the frame some on speedbumps occasionally, the tires are just touching the inside of the wheelwells under compression, the control arms are just starting to point upward, and it's not even that low. If I go any lower I would be worried about ball joints and tie rod ends binding in the front suspension and starting to break stuff. I WILL go lower eventually, but only after I do some things to correct the suspension angles and clearence the wheelwells more to maintain full compression travel in the front. I don't want to insult you or your car, I am just making observations based on my opinions and what I KNOW. In the end it is your car and you can run it as low as you feel, just make sure that you know and understand all the facts first.

200 mile round trip is cool, 300 one way is not. 100miles was just the first figure i came up with. the closest track to me is VIR which is 125miles. i've been there and back several times, but they host time attack and HPDE events maybe twice a year. i do plan on making those.

thats a very informative post, if i had to the tools and knowledge to correct the suspension geometry, i would do it. but it isnt a big concern to me right now. sure its low, but its not retarded low anymore.

[racepar1]

200 mile round trip is cool, 300 one way is not. 100miles was just the first figure i came up with. the closest track to me is VIR which is 125miles. i've been there and back several times, but they host time attack and HPDE events maybe twice a year. i do plan on making those.

thats a very informative post, if i had to the tools and knowledge to correct the suspension geometry, i would do it. but it isnt a big concern to me right now. sure its low, but its not retarded low anymore.

Ya I figure you've had about enough *napoleon dynamite voice* "stop being and idiot and raise your car, gowd; and go to the track too, gowd" bullshit.

[LA_phantom_240]

That white car looks like a 10 lb bag of assholes being that low.


But I guess if you're 17 and like to impress the local high schoolers maybe that's the ticket...

Maybe if you're 17 and trying to impress the local illegals...

[Matej]

what is happening to zilvia? ahhah is 4x4ing the new fad or some shit. low and slow baby. speedbump see-sawing ftw.
D1 and SCCA is happening to Zilvia.

[Baron Fel]

it's the ill placed pedo bear sticker that ruined it for me... :rolleyes:

[Def]

SCCA Blue Ridge Region (http://www.brr-scca.org/)

Since you sound like you genuinely want to drive you car - here you go. Looks like there's an Oct Solo event in Richmond which is close to you.

Suspension travel isn't a bad thing. It starts becoming more cool than going super low when you find yourself skittering around corners due to running out of travel, or worse, hitting your tires all over your body.

[racepar1]

D1 and SCCA is happening to Zilvia.

This is a good thing because people are learning how to really set-up their cars. Gone are the days when the drift whores are absolutely on the ground with the cheapest, slipperiest, shitty junkyard tires that they can find in the back. Now wide, stickyish rubber with a more reasonable ride heighth prevails there(for the most part), which actually works better for drifting. Gone are the days when the track whores were out there riding around with slammed cars and completely effed up geometry, and were significantly slower. Now we are getting educated in things like geometry and load transfer and the s-chasis community has benefited as a whole from it.

[iHeartTheTouge]

SCCA Blue Ridge Region (http://www.brr-scca.org/)

Since you sound like you genuinely want to drive you car - here you go. Looks like there's an Oct Solo event in Richmond which is close to you.

Suspension travel isn't a bad thing. It starts becoming more cool than going super low when you find yourself skittering around corners due to running out of travel, or worse, hitting your tires all over your body.

yes, i built it to drive it. i'm more interested in track and drift events. i had a pos s13 i learned to slide with but thats long gone and the Z cant do it so its been a good two years since i have slid. thats what i'm trying to get back into mostly. never done autox but i'd like to give it a go.

[racepar1]

yes, i built it to drive it. i'm more interested in track and drift events. i had a pos s13 i learned to slide with but thats long gone and the Z cant do it so its been a good two years since i have slid. thats what i'm trying to get back into mostly. never done autox but i'd like to give it a go.

REAL track > autocross any day of the week on any track or autocross, but auto-x is still fun as hell and teached you a good deal about how to actually drive your car. On an auto-x course there is less room for error or correcting when you screw up so you have to react quicker and think more clearly in general.

[WISH ONE]

that rear bumper should be on the ground before you can complain. lol jk. but anyway cut and weld it, is your best bet. i took about an 1 1/2 inch out of the vertical section of my dp. It almost sits even with the frame rail.

[Matej]

This is a good thing because people are learning how to really set-up their cars. Gone are the days when the drift whores are absolutely on the ground with the cheapest, slipperiest, shitty junkyard tires that they can find in the back. Now wide, stickyish rubber with a more reasonable ride heighth prevails there(for the most part), which actually works better for drifting. Gone are the days when the track whores were out there riding around with slammed cars and completely effed up geometry, and were significantly slower. Now we are getting educated in things like geometry and load transfer and the s-chasis community has benefited as a whole from it.
Those are all the things I loved about drifting. I loved watching those cars, how they didn't care and had fun. I always wanted a drift car because that's what I thought drift cars were.

Now my car suffers from identity crisis.
I can't have fun in it without people giving me lectures on suspension geometry. They can't grasp that I know about suspension geometry but just don't care. I know it doesn't handle to its full potential, but at least it still drifts better than stock suspension, at least I think it does, but for some reason drifting on stock suspension is more widely accepted now than a car that's "too" low. Drifting is just a hobby for me and it's just a stock KA anyway, but I can drift it just fine, and I have so much fun, but they're telling me that technically I am not having fun?


Zilvia should make up a new term for cars like this. Before, I would call this a drift car, but most drift cars don't look like this anymore, and this is the style I've always loved.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f66/joshuaput/vipinprogress.jpg

[iHeartTheTouge]

yes^ msglength

[racepar1]

Those are all the things I loved about drifting. I loved watching those cars, how they didn't care and had fun. I always wanted a drift car because that's what I thought drift cars were.

Now my car suffers from identity crisis.
I can't have fun in it without people giving me lectures on suspension geometry. They can't grasp that I know about suspension geometry but just don't care. I know it doesn't handle to its full potential, but at least it still drifts better than stock suspension, at least I think it does, but for some reason drifting on stock suspension is more widely accepted now than a car that's "too" low. Drifting is just a hobby for me and it's just a stock KA anyway, but I can drift it just fine, and I have so much fun, but they're telling me that technically I am not having fun?


Zilvia should make up a new term for cars like this. Before, I would call this a drift car, but most drift cars don't look like this anymore, and this is the style I've always loved.

In the end it is all about having fun, but why would it be less fun with a better set-up suspension? The car would look just as sick, just less ridiculous. Not only that but it would actually drift better as well as handle better. I think that is the primary reason why that look has gone out of style somewhat. The OG drift guys have advanced to the point that they have to set-up the car better to get better at drifting. They maxed out the potential of the old skool, ghetto set-ups. Drifting, and any form of motorsport for that matter, is also about getting better at it. Once you reach the point where the set-up needs to be improved to accomplish that goal you have no choice but to raise the car up some and buy the expensive ass LCA's to help out the geometry. Since the general drift trends tend to follow what the OG guys are doing people are beginning to go away from the traditional drift set-up. This is a good thing for drifting because it will help everyone get better. I mean are you really satisfied enough with your drifting to say that you don't care about improving? THAT is what I don't understand. I will NEVER be satisfied with my on-track performance and will ALWAYS strive to be better, whatever it takes to do that is fine with me. If there is ANYTHING that I could do to either my driving or my car set-up to make my on-track performance better I will try it, regardless of how stupid it may look.

[iHeartTheTouge]

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http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6804/0920081610ahs4.jpg

raising it that much made the front of the resonator scrape instead of the rear. reason for the FN's is just because they're cheap, good sizes, and decent offset. so why not?

[issac]

Sorry man I don't mean to be an asshole just grow up a little more. Not physically.



I can understand if you love the look of your car that's sensational. But realistically you should invest your time, money, energy, on focusing how to have fun driving you're car rather than trying to achieve a certain look. In the end it may cost you more money to repair/replace parts to accommodate a certain look. However if money is not an issue you should proceed and ignore my post. I think that when you start focusing on spending more time in the seat, all you're investment choices will be easy. Again I don't mean to offend you in any way. Good luck have FUN.

[NemeGuero]

In the end it is all about having fun, but why would it be less fun with a better set-up suspension? The car would look just as sick, just less ridiculous. Not only that but it would actually drift better as well as handle better. I think that is the primary reason why that look has gone out of style somewhat. The OG drift guys have advanced to the point that they have to set-up the car better to get better at drifting. They maxed out the potential of the old skool, ghetto set-ups. Drifting, and any form of motorsport for that matter, is also about getting better at it. Once you reach the point where the set-up needs to be improved to accomplish that goal you have no choice but to raise the car up some and buy the expensive ass LCA's to help out the geometry. Since the general drift trends tend to follow what the OG guys are doing people are beginning to go away from the traditional drift set-up. This is a good thing for drifting because it will help everyone get better. I mean are you really satisfied enough with your drifting to say that you don't care about improving? THAT is what I don't understand. I will NEVER be satisfied with my on-track performance and will ALWAYS strive to be better, whatever it takes to do that is fine with me. If there is ANYTHING that I could do to either my driving or my car set-up to make my on-track performance better I will try it, regardless of how stupid it may look.

the point IS to look rediculous.

I find it funny you were all ass hurt in the 9.5 265 thread and here you are doing the same thing I did.

EAT A DICK

[silviachik420]

put some more rubber on that thing

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7006/0920081610vr7.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6804/0920081610ahs4.jpg

raising it that much made the front of the resonator scrape instead of the rear. reason for the FN's is just because they're cheap, good sizes, and decent offset. so why not?

[iHeartTheTouge]

put some more rubber on that thing

no thats ok, a few of my friends with low s13's run 215/40 upfront and 225/45 in the rear with little to no rubbing issues. so thats what i went with. i dont have any rubbing issues at all, just the exhaust scraping.

maybe my drunk ass should have made the title read "EXHAUST is too fucking low"

[socal_kouki]

Zilvia should make up a new term for cars like this. Before, I would call this a drift car, but most drift cars don't look like this anymore, and this is the style I've always loved.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f66/joshuaput/vipinprogress.jpg


Whenever i see a daily drift car dressed up like that I call it Jankey. But Jankey in a good way. It says Zilvia Jankey.

Keep in mind that "Sh*tty" and "Jankey" are far apart from each other to me. I still jock the look even tho I try to make mine cleaner.

[racepar1]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7006/0920081610vr7.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6804/0920081610ahs4.jpg

raising it that much made the front of the resonator scrape instead of the rear. reason for the FN's is just because they're cheap, good sizes, and decent offset. so why not?

That's much more reasonable, still about 1/2" lower that what I think would look right, but reasonableish. Did you put hose clamps on the exhaust hangers like I suggested? If not you could pull the exhaust a little tighter with the hose clamps. If you already did that and it is still scraping then it is either cut and weld your downpipe to tuck the exhaust tighter to the chasis in the front or find another downpipe that you won't have to cut and weld to do the same thing.

the point IS to look rediculous.

I find it funny you were all ass hurt in the 9.5 265 thread and here you are doing the same thing I did.

EAT A DICK

If you want your POS to look ridiculous then go ahead. The difference between my posts here and your posts there is the attitude. You made no attempt to be helpful whatsoever in that thread and I DID make more than one attempt to be helpful here. You are a moron and that is evidenced in your attitude, not to mention your "OMFG, why is my car losing coolant!!!???" thread. It is called a radiator pressure tester, it helps you find coolant leaks. If your headgasket is blown then you will get water inside the cylinders when you pressurize it. NOT very complicated. :ddog:

[iHeartTheTouge]

That's much more reasonable, still about 1/2" lower that what I think would look right, but reasonableish. Did you put hose clamps on the exhaust hangers like I suggested? If not you could pull the exhaust a little tighter with the hose clamps. If you already did that and it is still scraping then it is either cut and weld your downpipe to tuck the exhaust tighter to the chasis in the front or find another downpipe that you won't have to cut and weld to do the same thing.

i havent been able to get any hose clamps yet. the only ones i've found around here earlier in the year are complete POS, they bend and break so easily. i'm just gonna go ahead with the cut and weld. might remove the resonator at the same time.

[ericcastro]

Listen to racepar1 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/racepar1.html)

guy knows what he's talking about, just might come off rude at first ;) lol

But I was gonna say the same thing. raise 1.5" so it matches the fronth of the cars wheel well. It will handle better and save your suspension componates.
VIP rides dont actually drive with the wheels like that!! lol

And good for you making the dedication to get to the track.
Even here in SoCal, the place that everyone is jealous of, is still an hour minimum to any track.

[inertiaticism]

In the end it is all about having fun, but why would it be less fun with a better set-up suspension? The car would look just as sick, just less ridiculous.
Old people also think Haggar slacks and short sleeve dress shirts look cool.
Doesn't mean they do.

[Koopa Troopa]

put some more rubber on that thing

I gotta have more sidewall.

[Matej]

Old people also think Haggar slacks and short sleeve dress shirts look cool.
Doesn't mean they do.
Haha.


By the way, don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not saying properly set up cars are stupid and I'm not putting them down, I know they serve their function well and a lot of people like the look.
It's just nice to have diversity. I personally like lower cars with aggressive wheel fitment and performance is not as big of a priority for me, it's all up to the car's owner how he likes his car. Not talking about anyone specific in this thread, it just bothers me in general when people tell someone how to mod their car and put down their tastes. (Unless the owner is a n00b and it's to prevent him from doing something absolutely dumb, in which case it's for his own good.)

But seriously, the "VIP-style-but-not-really" sport compacts need their own name. It's obvious that they're their own style, but I never know what to call them.

[WISH ONE]

Zilvia should make up a new term for cars like this. Before, I would call this a drift car, but most drift cars don't look like this anymore, and this is the style I've always loved.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f66/joshuaput/vipinprogress.jpg

look its my aero and wheels lol...;

[NemeGuero]

If you want your POS to look ridiculous then go ahead. The difference between my posts here and your posts there is the attitude. You made no attempt to be helpful whatsoever in that thread and I DID make more than one attempt to be helpful here. You are a moron and that is evidenced in your attitude, not to mention your "OMFG, why is my car losing coolant!!!???" thread. It is called a radiator pressure tester, it helps you find coolant leaks. If your headgasket is blown then you will get water inside the cylinders when you pressurize it. NOT very complicated. :ddog:

Its a matter of opinion. People have different ones. All I said was that it LOOKED ugly and said nothing about the performance aspects of it.

And I did pressure test the car, idiot. It showed no evidence of a blown head gasket. Good try at a diversion though. That shit has nothing to do with whats at hand.

I think he gets the hint about chopping the exhaust. He wants it low and thats that. shut the fuck up with your nazi-ism. rooolllcceennnttaarrsss hahaha

[racepar1]

Its a matter of opinion. People have different ones. All I said was that it LOOKED ugly and said nothing about the performance aspects of it.

And I did pressure test the car, idiot. It showed no evidence of a blown head gasket. Good try at a diversion though. That shit has nothing to do with whats at hand.

I think he gets the hint about chopping the exhaust. He wants it low and thats that. shut the fuck up with your nazi-ism. rooolllcceennnttaarrsss hahaha

Ya I'm the one being a nazi, I didn't even try to push the whole "roll center" thing! I am doing my best to be helpful and reasonable here, even the OP recognized that. Why don't you just mind your business. K THX. I mean YOUR posts here have been much more helpful and reasonable than mine! :rolleyes:

[ericcastro]

^one day at a big Zilvia BBQ, theres gonna be an aquard silence, followed by a 10 minute discussion, and a handshake.


then some noobs gonna try and donut in the parking lot and get everyone kicked out of the park.......lol

[racepar1]

^one day at a big Zilvia BBQ, theres gonna be an aquard silence, followed by a 10 minute discussion, and a handshake.


then some noobs gonna try and donut in the parking lot and get everyone kicked out of the park.......lol

It is the internet man, I REALLY don't think either of us are really taking this seriously. After all we are both kind of known for talking shit sooo....... I've butted heads with a LOT of people on the net that were cool as shit in real life.

[iHeartTheTouge]

It is the internet man, I REALLY don't think either of us are really taking this seriously. After all we are both kind of known for talking shit sooo....... I've butted heads with a LOT of people on the net that were cool as shit in real life.

thank you, you've been a very big help. let leave it at that, or if need be i will contact a pm. i will have this closed if need be.

soooooo drunnk

[NemeGuero]

Nah man, Racepar1. If I see you, we're fist fighting.

1st to draw blood wins.
















haha

[iHeartTheTouge]

Nah man, Racepar1. If I see you, we're fist fighting.

1st to draw blood wins.



haha

i wish i lived on the west coast

i wish i pit 25g's in the s30 instead of the s13. :(

[iHeartTheTouge]

too druunk too postt

[Dousan_PG]

This is a good thing because people are learning how to really set-up their cars. Gone are the days when the drift whores are absolutely on the ground with the cheapest, slipperiest, shitty junkyard tires that they can find in the back. Now wide, stickyish rubber with a more reasonable ride heighth prevails there(for the most part), which actually works better for drifting. Gone are the days when the track whores were out there riding around with slammed cars and completely effed up geometry, and were significantly slower. Now we are getting educated in things like geometry and load transfer and the s-chasis community has benefited as a whole from it.

\amen to this
i love it!
so true

people try too hard for their shit to look good
and it handles like a bag of dicks
no speed
no grip
and it overall sucks


grip and speed is what drifting is about
imo!

anyways
the rest of these post after suck
espeically the ones that say your wrong
they have no idea.

[Koopa Troopa]

i wish i lived on the west coast

i wish i pit 25g's in the s30 instead of the s13. :(

Where the hell did the 25g's go? You spend 5 on the S13 and pocket 20?

[Sr2O-det]

I don’t think lowering that much looks good, specially in 240's, the wheel welds are way to wide, it makes it so much more obvious when you go that low, look at your rim its hiding in the top but then the sides have so much space. Maybe in another type of car it would look good, anyways if your scraping raise it, ill save you money, it really depends in what kind of conditions the roads are were you live. If they suck raise, if not leave it as is, ultimately is your car if you like it, who cares?

[yokotas13]

buy some fucking aero

super low on stock shit is gay anyways

[iHeartTheTouge]

i have vertex knockoff, side skirts just arent on yet. i guess that could make it look stock. 25gs was buying a set of something, then upgrading. i bought 3 different turbos til i settled on the 2871R. i'm surprised how much attention this thread is getting.

[Koopa Troopa]

i have vertex knockoff, side skirts just arent on yet. i guess that could make it look stock. 25gs was buying a set of something, then upgrading. i bought 3 different turbos til i settled on the 2871R. i'm surprised how much attention this thread is getting.

We're bored

[NemeGuero]

We're bored

.. word....

[racepar1]

We're bored

Yep...............

[ericcastro]

Yep...............
Pretty much



buy some fucking aero

super low on stock shit is gay anyways

LMAO! so true. Problem solved kid,

raise that shit and put aero on.

[iHeartTheTouge]

i already said i have aero, vertex knockoff like i said earlier

http://photos-165.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v337/73/69/1569750165/n1569750165_30104497_8111.jpg

[ericcastro]

raise whole car 1"
take of blue/black line that goes along car.
problem solved.

plus your aero will last more than a year if you raise it a bit!!

[yokotas13]

ok
buy REAL aero that is lower than stock by more than a half an inch and isnt knockoff

[mondojackal]

FAIL, move to florida and enjoy life there. Some exhaust are lower that others which is why the op is asking about others. I have a greddy down pipe and is see's the cement often, buy i believe the circuit sports is a thinner design.
apparently you've never been to florida. the roads here suck. a lot. :coolugh:

[Mr. Camshaft]

This felt like a Nitekids thread. Almost.


Back on track, Racepar1 is making good sense. I'd listen to him. That really was an obscene amount of camber.