MA-Motorsports new knuckles for s14

[Johny5]

OK...here's the low down...

I'm sure you've all noticed the increasing trend in the drift world and that is aftermarket or modified oem knuckles. Quite a few people have gotten their hands in on this, vertex has a full blown custom cast knuckle with all sorts of bumpsteer gadgets and adjustments mid-body and what-have-you. 3up has a great set to offer that aaron seems to be very happy with. pbm offers a good product that has 2 different adjustment holes one for mild and one for wild, lots of drivers do great on these. there are many more of course but these are whats really been exposed to american soil thus far. time for a new member of the game though. ma-motorsports is coming out with a new set of knuckles. one of the things you'll notice when you first see the knuckles is the tie rod arm is the shortest thus far of any company that has these available. what does that mean? your steering is ONLY limited by the bump stops. i opted to cut my bump stops off my FLCA, which means my tension rods take a beating whenever i ride my new-found full lock. however, Brian offers the knuckles a different way for the public market in a package...

-knuckles cut/welded/blasted/painted (you include core)
-flca modded for bumpstop clearance and gusseted
(s14 SPL parts outter tie rods are recommended as stock isn't long enough but not included)


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0288.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0293.jpg

ok, enough boners talk. here's the truthful part. if you think your steering is fast, or responsive, or "quick" then you haven't installed these knuckles on your car :) fast steering response is one of the most helpful things these knuckles will give you (minus angle of course duh). you get used to it super quick and once you do you'll start transitioning and flicking the car much harder and faster. you'd think that with this setup you'll get massive bind at lock or have to work the wheel off lock, and you most definitely do not. i never have any problems with bind or anything of that sort. angle...well, angle...

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0302.jpg

thats brians car after the initial knuckle test fit. thats what sold me personally haha.


whats up englishtown bank...
http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/miscellaneous/east_coast_all-star_bash_englishtown_nj_8-16-08/0005.jpg

arizona pro-am qualifier...
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real deal, not spinout shots. once you're used to them the knuckles will produce angle every single time you could need or want it. i've never been happier with any suspension component i've ever put on my car, these things turned out to be 100% real deal legit and turned my car into a new animal haha.

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be looking for them real soon!!

[Z33dori]

wot... fianlly East Coast shop stepping game up and making some US-Market knuckles

i might go with these since its alot closer..... mmm

[smelly240]

how to the tie rods sit when the steering is straight? do they run uphill a lot?

[Brian W.]

Thanks for the lil write up Stew!

This fixes some of the tie rod angle with just the spindles alone as the tie rod point is not just moved in but also moved down as you can see by comparing those 2 spindles side by side.


also, these are Ready for sale RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

we are offering a special price on these until the end of september at only $399.00 + shipping.

This includes the spindle modification and the FLCA modification.

[Dousan_PG]

yes i love spindles!

and MA MOTORSPORTS is the shit!

BUY IT!

the PBM ones are great too, ive seen them in action MANY times w/ tommy and mattycakes


get some!!!!

[Brian]

What are the pros and cons of these?

[slideways2004]

spindles are so amazing! i have 1 question though. why was the U.S. so late to catch on??

[Brian W.]

What are the pros and cons of these?


Brian H.


The Pros are that you get A LOT more useable steering angle... A LOT MORE!


The only Con is that you have to spend money and that it makes the steering a quicker, but both of those things are forgotten once you back your car into a turn and drive right out of it:coold:

[jbuckley]

hot cars with hot angle

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[surge s14]

looks like a great product!

[Z33dori]

wow i got Neg repped for like East coast shop...

MA FTW

[Johny5]

quicker steering is actually AWESOME once you get used to it, so twitchy makes the car react so much harder.

[xanavi_D]

now im in a dilema.... pbm or ma???

[Chernobyl]

quicker steering is actually AWESOME once you get used to it, so twitchy makes the car react so much harder.

Is it any harder to drive on the highway?

[Brian W.]

Is it any harder to drive on the highway?


i cant imagine it would be unless you run your street/ drift car Towed out in the front, otherwise.. it will just steer faster.

i got used to it after like 2 runs

[l20bdime]

the faster steering can make the car a bit more twitchy on the freeway. Like sweeping turns sometimes i turn to much. Perfect for the track though. Feint entries with the flick of the wrist.

[silviaguy240]

seen this shit in person like last week, angle is fucking insane! good ass price too and looks like OEM, no hackjob ghetto rigging.

[sleepinsilvia23]

Yeah i saw this in action, the MA s13 killing it all day at E-town. One of my favorite drivers there, smoked the entire wall out on numerous runs.

As far as this product im not sure im exactly to this point but they are very intriging. Ill have to look into it
So you cant use tein inner and outers?
I have teins on the way so whats the deal with that?
thanks

[Johny5]

no, your tie rod setup must be substantially longer than stock. s14 tein inner tie rods with spl s14 outter tie rods works really well. i use tein s14 inner tie rods with stock 350z outter tie rods but it doesn't look amazing, just works haha.

[murda-c]

I know i've been saying i'll come by the shop for a while now, but i mean it this time.

[Brian W.]

Yeah i saw this in action, the MA s13 killing it all day at E-town. One of my favorite drivers there, smoked the entire wall out on numerous runs.

As far as this product im not sure im exactly to this point but they are very intriging. Ill have to look into it
So you cant use tein inner and outers?
I have teins on the way so whats the deal with that?
thanks

you will want to use you Tein inners with the spacers but ditch the outters and go with SPL outters and you are set.


If you need the right setup, just ask and ill point you in the right direction.

[Z33dori]

So Brian when can we expect these to be out on the Market....

winter... i would guess.... for teh building season

[LongGrain]

hmm, next summer this will be on my to do list

[jrocslider]

So Brian when can we expect these to be out on the Market....

winter... i would guess.... for teh building season

Thanks for the lil write up Stew!

This fixes some of the tie rod angle with just the spindles alone as the tie rod point is not just moved in but also moved down as you can see by comparing those 2 spindles side by side.


also, these are Ready for sale RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

we are offering a special price on these until the end of september at only $399.00 + shipping.

This includes the spindle modification and the FLCA modification.

these are Ready for sale RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

[eDmSiL80]

wait, so at what point is full lock on these things? where u cut out the bump stop on the flca?

say i flick it on a transition, does the tie rod smack the flca hard? like enough to snap the outter tie rod?

cause when i had the peak pros, and left the bump stop, it ended up breaking my outter.

just curious, cause compared to other kits, theirs seem unbreakable and have different setting and what not.

i really wanna consider doin this next season, cause i <3 mucho angle. :bigok:

[HS13KLS]

that is dope...

brian is a good man, he helped me out with my order when stuff got messy

[96Turbo]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0302.jpg


now THAT'S angle

[silviaguy240]

wait, so at what point is full lock on these things? where u cut out the bump stop on the flca?

say i flick it on a transition, does the tie rod smack the flca hard? like enough to snap the outter tie rod?

cause when i had the peak pros, and left the bump stop, it ended up breaking my outter.

just curious, cause compared to other kits, theirs seem unbreakable and have different setting and what not.

i really wanna consider doin this next season, cause i <3 mucho angle. :bigok:

from what i remember seeing on brians car, it wont hit flca.

[Jordn]

Interested to hear if MA would ship out to the UK [and a price by PM if possible]. The Uk doesn't really have products like this so theres a market.

[onehundredoctane]

already got a set of S14 knuckles that I'll be sending in, can't wait.

[eDmSiL80]

ok so basically the bump stop limits ur angle.

and the most angle u get is when ur steering is at full lock im assuming? just before the flca?

[onehundredoctane]

take into account also that these knuckles have a small amount of material removed between the lower ball joint and where the tie rod bolts in, making the smallest amount of movement from the steering wheel affect the steering angle more than it would on a stock set up. At least that's what I've gathered from it.

[McRussellPants]

I can vouch for knuckles being cool as fuck.

cons: you'll want more power and rear grip so you can go balls deep without going slow as fuck and thats expensive

Pros: with power and rear grip it'll make you giggle.

PS, you cut the stock steering stops.

[Brian W.]

So Brian when can we expect these to be out on the Market....

winter... i would guess.... for teh building season

as was quoted these are available RIGHT NOW!!!! hurry up and box yours up and get them out to me. :aw::)

wait, so at what point is full lock on these things? where u cut out the bump stop on the flca?

say i flick it on a transition, does the tie rod smack the flca hard? like enough to snap the outter tie rod?

cause when i had the peak pros, and left the bump stop, it ended up breaking my outter.

just curious, cause compared to other kits, theirs seem unbreakable and have different setting and what not.

i really wanna consider doin this next season, cause i <3 mucho angle. :bigok:

i dont get what you mean on the first part... you will always have the most angle when the wheel is at lock. the oem tie rod hits a stop, what i do is remove that stop and weld a thin plate to the arm that acts as the stop on the production spindles i sell. as long as your steering rack is cented you shouldnt be breaking tie rods or ends.


that is dope...

brian is a good man, he helped me out with my order when stuff got messy

Thanks!


ok so basically the bump stop limits ur angle.

and the most angle u get is when ur steering is at full lock im assuming? just before the flca?


i dont know what you mean by bump stop. again... you will always have the msot angle the the farthest you can possibly turn the wheel. maybe im not understanding your question. The Tie rod stops on the FLCA.

take into account also that these knuckles have a small amount of material removed between the lower ball joint and where the tie rod bolts in, making the smallest amount of movement from the steering wheel affect the steering angle more than it would on a stock set up. At least that's what I've gathered from it.

im not sure what you mean here by removing material at the ball joint. The factory ball joint location is untouched. if you mean the tie rod mounting point then yes, it is very much modified and as was said before.... moving the tie rod point makes the steering faster.... is that what you mean?


I can vouch for knuckles being cool as fuck.

cons: you'll want more power and rear grip so you can go balls deep without going slow as fuck and thats expensive

Pros: with power and rear grip it'll make you giggle.

PS, you cut the stock steering stops.


...yes!

[Brian W.]

Interested to hear if MA would ship out to the UK [and a price by PM if possible]. The Uk doesn't really have products like this so theres a market.

and yes i can ship to the UK for you, in that case if you dont want to ship me the cores first i can buy some from a salvage yard, mod them and sell them to you. or you can send me the cores form the UK... whatever you wanna do.:bigok:

[SoSideways]

Man... I have a couple of questions.

Will you do this for S13 spindles as well?

And has anyone put one of these spindles on with a HICAS front rack? I would imagine it would be quite scary with the fast steering ratio and the super quick response that the spindles will give you...

[onehundredoctane]

im not sure what you mean here by removing material at the ball joint. The factory ball joint location is untouched. if you mean the tie rod mounting point then yes, it is very much modified and as was said before.... moving the tie rod point makes the steering faster.... is that what you mean?

that is exactly what i was saying


Man... I have a couple of questions.

Will you do this for S13 spindles as well?

And has anyone put one of these spindles on with a HICAS front rack? I would imagine it would be quite scary with the fast steering ratio and the super quick response that the spindles will give you...

i have the hicas rack and can't wait to test it now

[Firestorm]

how come the tire doesn't hit the tension rods? am i missing something?

[redclaw05]

looks good stu. i will prob look into it.

[Brian W.]

Man... I have a couple of questions.

Will you do this for S13 spindles as well?

And has anyone put one of these spindles on with a HICAS front rack? I would imagine it would be quite scary with the fast steering ratio and the super quick response that the spindles will give you...

i will have S13 Spindles available soon.


...not for sure when yet, but id say within the next month.


i have not tested this on a HICAS rack.

how come the tire doesn't hit the tension rods? am i missing something?


well everyone will have a different issue with clearances. some will have to hammer sheetmetal depending on how low they are.

as for not hitting the tension rods... it depends on what tension rods(thick aluminum or thinner steel)

also wheel spacing will bring the wheel/ tire away from the tension rod aswell.







These are shipping back out within 2-3 days of arrival if not faster!

[SoSideways]

i will have S13 Spindles available soon.


...not for sure when yet, but id say within the next month.


i have not tested this on a HICAS rack.

If you need a car to test on and in FL, I should have my car up and running by next month... hopefully with the HICAS rack and Tein tie rods + ends at the least installed :)

[eDmSiL80]

crap i just read that on ur site.

leme know when u have the s13 knuckles locked down and ill be sure to scoop a pair :bigok:

[Brian W.]

crap i just read that on ur site.

leme know when u have the s13 knuckles locked down and ill be sure to scoop a pair :bigok:



email me! if youve got an extra set i can try and work them out faster.

[Brian]

Any colors other than East Coast Gray?

How about your green valve cover color?

[SoSideways]

Any colors other than East Coast Gray?

How about your green valve cover color?

Or Dragon Fruit blue? :bigok:

[Brian W.]

Any colors other than East Coast Gray?

How about your green valve cover color?



Brian, if this takes off i would ideally like to get ALL of them powdercoated that awesome color on my valve cover..... but right now it would add to the cost a bit too much.

Once i get enough cores than maybe i can make that happen.


...also... i just paint them, so you can sand and paint them whatever color you want. :love:

[Brian W.]

Ive got some of these ready to go. I still need cores or i can charge for cores and you keep your or send them back to me... either way...


just wanted to update with some pics of the actual parts you will get back...

This is what your FLCAs will look like....
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0359.jpg

And some spindles i have ready to go...
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0360.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0361.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0362.jpg

[Dousan_PG]

looking good
all drift cars shuld have radical spindles!!!!

yours are crazy agressive too, brian!

[xplicit240]

Brian W. FTMFW.

[sac]

so wait.. You have some already done and sitting around waiting. All lonely like...
:( no bueno.. SOMEBODY BUY THESE ALREADY!

i will buy some prob in january. I have to finish one project at a time.

[Ninjabread]

Hey Brian, is the s13 spindle so different that you couldn't just carry the design over?

I was planning on getting these this winter, but obviously it depends whether or not they are available for s13 spindles.

[SoSideways]

Hey Brian, is the s13 spindle so different that you couldn't just carry the design over?

I was planning on getting these this winter, but obviously it depends whether or not they are available for s13 spindles.

1) He said S13 ones will be available
2) S14 spindles are different than S13 ones, so much so that if you'll remember what you need to use S14 stuff for 5-lug swap... yeah, since the S14 spindle is physically different

[Ninjabread]

Well obviously suspension mounting point is different, and same with lower BJ, but as far as the tie rod mount, i doubt its that different.

[GSXRJJordan]

Well obviously suspension mounting point is different, and same with lower BJ, but as far as the tie rod mount, i doubt its that different.

Since S13 and S14 tie rods are the same, right?

[Ninjabread]

Lenght wise they are close, that's why you can interchange them. The only difference is the thickness.

It leads me to think that they are the same, just different sized holes for the strut bolts and the lower BJ.

Might be wrong though.

[SoSideways]

Lenght wise they are close, that's why you can interchange them. The only difference is the thickness.

It leads me to think that they are the same, just different sized holes for the strut bolts and the lower BJ.

Might be wrong though.

The part where the wheel hub/wheel bearing goes onto is a lot thicker on the S14 spindles as well, which is why you can't run S14 wheel hubs/wheel bearings on the S13 spindles for an easy 5-lug swap for the front.

[Ninjabread]

My point was that the tie rod pickup is probably the same.. minuse being like 10mm inwards?

I give up.

[SoSideways]

My point was that the tie rod pickup is probably the same.. minuse being like 10mm inwards?

I give up.

lol

If you have all the hardware to use S14 spindle, then go for the S14 spindle.

If not, just buy the S13 one, Brian W does both man lol

You're making this way harder than it has to be.

[Ninjabread]

Shit, i most have missed where he said that he was doing hte s13 ones.
That's why I was freaking.

[SoSideways]

Shit, i most have missed where he said that he was doing hte s13 ones.
That's why I was freaking.

hahahahahahahaha

Reading comprehension OWNED YOU!!! haha :)

You're still cool in my book :bigok:

[DJButton]

Cool as hell man, glad to see you guys doing these!

[INeedNewTires]

so what if i'm using a battle version FLCA? any adverse effects? its got an adjustable bumpstop that i can even remove if i need to. Also a price difference if i just need to send in the spindles and dont need the factory FLCA modified?

[Brian W.]

so what if i'm using a battle version FLCA? any adverse effects? its got an adjustable bumpstop that i can even remove if i need to. Also a price difference if i just need to send in the spindles and dont need the factory FLCA modified?


im not sure that it will be a problem with those FLCAs. if anything they MIGHT allow more angle with the steering stop removed from them. i cannot guarentee you wont have any binding issues going past what i have tested them to though.

[INeedNewTires]

pics for reference, maybe this will help....

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee309/ineednewtires/car%20parts/DSCN2545.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee309/ineednewtires/car%20parts/DSCN2542.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee309/ineednewtires/car%20parts/DSCN2544.jpg

[Dousan_PG]

remove that stopper and weld in a new stopper and you'll be fine

aftermarket spindles dont hit the stock stopper the same

[Brian W.]

yes that stopper wont work, no oem style stopper will.

The tie rod location is MOVED a lot! so it needs the stoppers removed. I weld on a small plate to the FLCA as the stopper.

[alexander500]

This is what your FLCAs will look like....
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/DSC_0359.jpg


Those are mine, I can see my special ball joints.

These are worth every penny. Brian is a brilliant engineer/fabricator.

So much more availible steering angle.

These are just as good, if not better that any on the market, and they are made by a local shop/fellow drifter.

[Brian W.]

Thanks dude!

still working on the S13 version but hopefully sooner than later!

[Johny5]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/new%20batch/2919125835_5af49c969e.jpg

ma-motorsport knuckles forever

[240trainee]

Unnnnnnnnnnnngh.

[Brian W.]

S13 KNUCKLES NOW AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!!


Send em in!:w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:

[Brian]

Is it possible to just get a set of lower control arms from you... painted all nice and with those gussets.

[Brian W.]

Is it possible to just get a set of lower control arms from you... painted all nice and with those gussets.



oh you know it! And i know you arent the biggest fan of the grey so i can send them back raw or paint them something else for you if you want.

send me a pm or AIM me.

[orangejdmsilvia]

beautiful..just beautiful