T67 on an SR

[FORCFED]

i'm thinking of doing a T67 from greddy on my SR. has anyone here done it? also what do you recomend for internals? i've looked at Greddy and JUN but was also thinking of using JE pistons and Crower rods. also what would you recomend for the top end? thanks for any help.

[sykikchimp]

T67 is HUGE.. I don't think you would ever need a turbo THAT large for the SR20. I saw a list of SR20 powered cars in japan that were all running 9's in the 1/4... they all had a T51 w/ a Toda 2.2 Stroker kit. The SR with only 2 liters would be hard pressed to spool even a t51 before 5-6000 rpm.

[ruf]

Have you ever seen an HKS T51? It dwarfs a GReddy T67. T67 is not very big. T51 is tremendous.

[FORCFED]

i've never heard of the HKS T51 but I will have to look into it. Also from what I have heard the stroker kit only helps the spool up by 500 rpm. I'm not sure if it is true or not though. My plan was to run a T67 and build the motor to rev high and be able able to hold the boost. This way i can get peak power out of the turbo. The lag doesn't bother me too much as long as I have the extra rpm at my disposal. I would say that the T67 is right on the edge of being too big which is why I decided on it. I don't want to go with something small and have to take it off later to put on another one.

[ruf]

T51 is too big for an SR with less than 2.2L and less than 10-11K redline. Either of these goals is usually too big for most people's budget, but to add insult to injury, the T51 is ungodly expensive in and of itself.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by ruf
Have you ever seen an HKS T51? It dwarfs a GReddy T67. T67 is not very big. T51 is tremendous.

I thought I might be wrong.. ignore comments.. a t67 is still an awefully big turbo..

[ca18det]

a t-67 isnt very big at all. it shares the same exhaust housing as a td06 20g l2. it uses a 25g on the compressor size. it will spool about 500 rpm later then a 20g. the t-67 is a amazing turbo. its extremely streetable and very potent. i used to have a mr2 with a t-67. i now am using a ca18det engine with a hks t04r. much larger then a t-67 and this turbo is very streetable even on my 1.8l.

[kandyflip445]

The t-67 everyone is talkin about is from greddy right? Just tryin to follow.:D

[FORCFED]

CA18DET:
what are you running with your T04r? have you dynoed it yet? any info you can give would be appreciated. i'm trying to find out what the best setup is.

[sykikchimp]

and all this time I thought they were huge.. What is the t-67 good for HP wise?

[FORCFED]

the t67 with a built motor is supposed to support 700hp

[ca18det]

hey the t-67 wont reach 700. that would be a t-78. the t-67 is good for 500-575. like i said its a hybrid of a 25g and a 20g.
my set up is as follows
je pistons
hks 1.6mm headgasket
hks 272 cams
hks top mount manifold
hks t04r turbo
hks cam gears
os giken twin plate clutch
cryo treated and balanced bottom end
port and polished head
65mm throttle body
720 cc injectors
high flo fuel pump
fpr
sds em-3f standalone
thats it for the important stuff. the motor isnt in the car yet. i had to replace the stock headgasket with a hks. the motor dynoed 480 on a 60-1 turbo at 25 psi and stock cams. i have added 272 cams t04r turbo and trying to locate a surge tank from ramm garage. i am hoping to make over 550 hp at the wheels and break 10's. i am messing with final drive ratios right now to get the perfect set up.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by ca18det
hey the t-67 wont reach 700. that would be a t-78. the t-67 is good for 500-575. like i said its a hybrid of a 25g and a 20g.
my set up is as follows
je pistons
hks 1.6mm headgasket
hks 272 cams
hks top mount manifold
hks t04r turbo
hks cam gears
os giken twin plate clutch
cryo treated and balanced bottom end
port and polished head
65mm throttle body
720 cc injectors
high flo fuel pump
fpr
sds em-3f standalone
thats it for the important stuff. the motor isnt in the car yet. i had to replace the stock headgasket with a hks. the motor dynoed 480 on a 60-1 turbo at 25 psi and stock cams. i have added 272 cams t04r turbo and trying to locate a surge tank from ramm garage. i am hoping to make over 550 hp at the wheels and break 10's. i am messing with final drive ratios right now to get the perfect set up.

Awesome! Can the drive train handle it? That thing will be a monster with the rpm's you'll be pushin. I would LOVE to see some pics, and a dyno one day.. :)

[ca18det]

well i have a ca18 bell housing matched to a sr20 backhalf. supposedly it should be able to but i havent gotten that far yet. i also will be using a enjuku 1 piece driveshaft. i hope nothing fails.
yeah 9500 rpm will be fun. look for dynos in 2 months when its ready to roll and all tuned

[ca18det]

heres the old set up

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by ca18det
heres the old set up

AHH yes.. I have seen your car before. The infamous Brake Master Cylinder.. LOL. Just messin man, I'm sure its stout as hell.

[ca18det]

actually thats not my engine bay. i bought it from him and using it in my car. that was jsut to show wha tit did look like. i expect to put 100 hp on top of that one.
i am not using that brake set up either hahah. much to extreme. i just re routed the cylinder and using a datsun brake booster.

[FORCFED]

i'm starting to reconsider my plan for the T67. do you think you are going to have problems with lag on the bigger turbo? my goal hp is around 500-600. my buddy has an mkIV supra that is being fitted with a T88H from greddy, so i'm trying to keep from being totally raped by him. it's not likely that i will be able to beat him,unless you guys know something i don't, but i would like to be able to hang with it. I was also considering the hks3240 but am now considering the t04r.
CA18DET:
when do you plan to have your car back on the road?

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by ca18det
actually thats not my engine bay. i bought it from him and using it in my car. that was jsut to show wha tit did look like. i expect to put 100 hp on top of that one.
i am not using that brake set up either hahah. much to extreme. i just re routed the cylinder and using a datsun brake booster.

Thank goodness, that brake setup always made me sweat when I saw it.

[ca18det]

Originally posted by FORCFED
i'm starting to reconsider my plan for the T67. do you think you are going to have problems with lag on the bigger turbo? my goal hp is around 500-600. my buddy has an mkIV supra that is being fitted with a T88H from greddy, so i'm trying to keep from being totally raped by him. it's not likely that i will be able to beat him,unless you guys know something i don't, but i would like to be able to hang with it. I was also considering the hks3240 but am now considering the t04r.
CA18DET:
when do you plan to have your car back on the road?

hey,
i plan on being on the road in about 2 months. i want the weather to be alittle better and i am taking my time putting this engine back together. oh yeha cant forget the awesome 6 week wait for parts. thats the only downside to this motor i have found.
as far as a large turbo high power and lag are a trade off. i personally could careless about lag. i think that term is so over rated. on my car i plan to have full boost by 6000 rpm but i will be shifting at 9500 so thats still 3k useable power band. also with the sds i have a anti lag control so i can get boost off the line. i think for your goals you will need something a bit larger then the t-67. there is plenty of other good set ups out there. i dont know how much you are looking to spend but if i was you i would look into the apexi rx-6 turbo. its a monster. its ball bearing and ihi makes the best turbos out right now. i know a guy with it on his mr2 running [email protected] you could expect full boost on that turbo around mid 4k. its very expensive however. also look into the hks t04e. get a 60 trim with a .60 a/r compressor housing matched to a p trim with a .68 a/r. you'd make serious pwer also. anyways hope that helps alittle.

[FORCFED]

when i do put this other turbo on the motor will be fully built so like you i will have plenty of time to get the power out of the turbo. how does the anti-lag feature work? i've never heard of it. you mentioned you were waiting for the weather, where are you located? i'm in nh and my car is buried under 3 feet of snow. so i know what you mean about the weather. does apex-i make a kit for the sr20? thanks for all your help..........i never would have been able to make sense of all this on my own.

[ca18det]

i believe apexi makes a kit. i'm about 90 percent sure. the anti lag works like this. at the line i can hit a switch and it will rev to a certian point putting some stress on teh engien buildings boost. say i have a 7500 rev it will go to that and stay there and bounce off that until i hit the switch adn take off under boost. its a nice feature. it works the same way a 2 step rev limiter would work.
i'm from the cold state of mn. we actually dont have any snow here but i am sure its gonna come sooner or later.

[FORCFED]

that is a cool feature to have, especially when running a large turbo. i jut looked up the RX6 turbo on the apex-i website but it didn't have anything for an sr20, i'll have to keep looking, but it said on a rx-7 it is capable of 450hp. that's less than the T67 is capable of.

[ca18det]

hey let me dig around on some japanese sites and look for a nice turbo. i know the rx-6 has like 10 different trims and exhaust housings. rx7's use this turbo at over 500 hp and i know this guy who did 10.2 in his mr2. it is a very good turbo. besides trying to make 500-600 hp what other goals do you have? what times do you want to run? is it you just wanna be able to compete with your buddy in his supra? i know a guy by me witha 800hp t-88 supra. he best time to date is a blistering 13.2 hahah. if your friend cant drive you will have the advantage already plus your car weighs like 800 lbs less then his. also have you ever driven a 300 hp car on the street? at 300 it can be scary sometimes let alone 500. good luck though man i hope there are a few other fast 240's out there.

[FORCFED]

my buddy with the supra already ran an 11.9 on his stock twins but i'm sure with all the extra power he is going to have trouble getting traction. and there isn't much else in my are that can touch either car, that i know of anyway. i don't know anyone around here that has a fast 240, as far as i know i am the only one with a swap or a turbo on a 240. what do you think about the T78? i'm trying to stay with greddy because a friend of mine deals with them directly and can get awsome deals. again thanks for all your help

[ca18det]

t-78 that was my other choice between the t-78 adn t04r. the t04r out flows and out spools the t-78 thats why i choose it. basically are you raising the redline of your car or are you strokering it? the t-78 on your car wont get full boost until like mid 6k. if you have stock redline and stock displacement your not gonna get a very useable power curve. the t-78 is a really nice turbo and if you dont care i say go for it. you will make your power with it for sure. what all do you have planned for your internals? you will need some wild cams for sure as well as a new surge tank(intake manifold) bigger tb cam gears to start with to make the power. i would look into strokering your engine if you want that turbo. in the feature when i pop this engine i am building a ca20 stroker motor and gonan try a hks t51r down the road. i'm seen countless japanese comapnies use this turbo on the ca engine running 9's in full street trim. anyways good luck

[FORCFED]

i'm building the motor for a higher redline, i'm still researching on what internals to use. i'm trying to stay away from using the stroker kit. do you think with a higher redline the T78 would be a good turbo? i would be using bigger cams but not too big because i would like to be able to drive it on the street. i was also planning on using the greddy intake manifold unless you have a better suggestion. how affective are the T3/T4 setups? i heard the kit from ejuku put down 397 on the stock motor. if i can get it built i should be able to hit well into the 400.

[ca18det]

hey i would avoid a t3/t4. i am not a fan of them. it seems like they are good for a mild street car making some power but when you want to make alot of power they become more of a choke. thats just me though. i havent had any good results in the past with them. i would say if you are upping your redline and using aftermarket cams the t-78 should be a great turbo. as far as teh greddy intake manifold i saw one last year for the first time before i was even into silvias so i didnt get a very good look at it how much better is it over stock? when i say a new surge tank i am talking about a custom sheet metal tank from jun or a garage from japan. i am gonna be using a ram garage surge tank. just waiting to get word back from a friend in japan.

[FORCFED]

what does a ram garage surge tank go for? what kind of lag would i be looking at on a T78?

[ca18det]

not quite sure on lag on a sr but on a mr2 they have full boost around 6k. your definately gonna hvae to shift your redline back. i would say you should be able to tune it to around 5500rpm. it will hit a little late but oh man when it hits hol don for dear life cuz it will throw you around and break your neck.
i am un sure on cost of the ram garage surge tank. thats what i am waiting to hear back on. there is some company named sub zero that has a realyl nice surge tank and tb set up for 1000. i think it used a 70mm? anyways quality looked top notch. i'll find a pic of that.

[RPS13]

You're right about the T51R being BIG! But they sound damn nice and they push plenty of power!

Check this out:
This is a T51R BB SPL on an RB engine. It makes the RB look like an SR with a T88 on it!

http://www.jouleusa.com/shop%20projects/DSC00860.JPG

http://www.jouleusa.com/images/Dsc00974s.jpg

Here's a cool vid of a T51R BB Kai spooling on a 13B motor:
T51R BB Kai Spooling (http://www.jouleusa.com/turbospool.WMV)

Here's a cool vid of the T51R BB SPL at idle on the RB motor:
T51R BB SPL Idling (http://www.jouleusa.com/shop%20cars/wine.WMV)

And another Dyno vid with the same setup:
Same RB Motor and T51R BB SPL on Dyno (http://www.jouleusa.com/shop%20cars/vid2.WMV)

Special thanks to my boys @ Joule USA (http://www.jouleusa.com) (Yes, this was a plug)!

[ca18det]

awesome links man. those vids were awesome. i cant wait to out grow the t04r adn move into that thing(like that ever going to happen hahah) to bad the t51r bb is 5k for just the turbo ouch!

[Rocking_S14]

Your choice of a T67 turbo is a good one is it a 25G?...if so very good setup. I ran this setup about a year and a half ago with a Blacktop S14 SR20DET motor, TODA 272 cams in/exh side,Tomei RAS, valve springs, Apexi 1000cc injectors, HKS 3-plate clutch, stock VLSD, HKS HiperMax Drag coilovers, OS Giken 5 spd close ratio tranny with matched 4.1 final ratio, ported heads, HKS pistons/conn. rods and the car dynoed out at 508rwhp at 1.7kilos of boost...not sure what that is in PSI. Also, I have yet to break a tranny or any drive train parts for the past 3 years!!....My buddies are breaking them all the time...Don't know exactly what my secret is??....luck? I know it would have pushed out nearly 570 if I cranked the boost up a tad bid more.
I am currently running an HKS GT 3240 BB turbo...awesome! since it is a BB turbo, it spools very quicky and as low as 3800 RPMs and continues to boost to 9500 RPM..which is my shift point. the peak horsepower hit at 8200RPM with a 692RWHP at 1.9 kilo of boost and maintained that hp to 9500 rpm. I've always used a Apexi Power FC for computer settings which I think is a great setup. With the current configuration, the car ran a 10.11 at 241km with 315/35/17 Nittor drag radials, I know I'll break 10s if I go to full slick. My future plans are to bump up to a HKS BB T51R Kai Special...my motor will turn it with no problem. My estimates are that it will start boost at around 4800-5200 RPM and probably good for about 900 + hp. I have another street car which is a S13 with a GTR RB26 motor in which I'm fabricating piping to fit a twin HKS GT3240 turbo....should be done in the next couple of weeks. I ran a T51S turbo on this motor which was okay, then went up to a T88...I want more power therefore the twin 3240 setup....estimated to push about 1000-1170hp.
Yes, Yes, the T67 turbo is a perfect turbo for the SR20 motor...especially with cams 256 in/260 in or 260/272...most of my customers are running 256/260 for streetability....and have driven their car daily for the past year and have yet to break anything. My avg customers are running around 490-560hp with minor stuff like, valve springs, RAS--->very important!, cams, adj. cam gears, 850cc injectors, Z32 MAFs, 3-core FMIC, Tomei Race fuel pump, Q45 throttle body, Greddy intake mani, bottom end untouched and turning 1.3kg of boost and tuned by me with a Power FC. The boost kicks in at around 3200rpm and pulls to redline, so I don't know why someone mentioned that it won't boost up until after 5000rpm???...something definitely not right
T67 turbos are used by quite a few Japanese owning S13/S14 Silvias with mediocre mods mentioned a few sentences ago.
Good luck to you, just find someone who can get your car running/tuned to it's potential.

[FORCFED]

you said you dynoed 692 on the hks turbo, was that with the sr? if so why did it make so much more power than the T67? idealy i would like to use a BB turbo and make 600-700 hp at the wheels.
it appears as though the T67 is not capable of this. where are you located? also what was your complete setup when running the 3240? thanks for all of the info

[Rocking_S14]

That is correct...692 RWHP on the GT3240 BB turbo although the 3240 is only rated at 595hp, this turbo has a cutback exhaust wheel with custom work done on the compressor and exhaust housing. I will be swapping turbos out in the next month or so to the T51R Kai Special.
(I just ran my car today and my 60 feet time improved a few tenths of a second from 1.79 to 1.75 with minor suspension tweaks and tire pressure adjustment.) I was eating up 800hp GTRs off the line half way thru 3rd gear....these were 9 sec GTRs I was playing with today at the track....way too cool.....Silvias rule!...at least half way thru 3rd gear.
Can't wait for my M/T drag slicks to arrive and swap out my turbo!!

This is what I have on my SR20DET S14 Blacktop:

TODA 272 cams in/ 280 exh side
TODA Adj. cam gears
APEXi Power FC ECU
Top Feed Fuel Rail
Apexi 1000cc injectors
Greddy Intake Manifold w/Infinity Q45 90mm throttle body
Z32 MAFs
HKS 3 Core FMIC
HKS Oil Cooler
HKS 3 row Aluminum radiator w/twin cooling fans
Tomei Rocker Arm Stoppers,
Tomei valve springs
HKS Lash Killer
Custom ported heads
HKS forged pistons
HKS Connecting Rods/bearings
HKS 3-plate clutch, stock VLSD, ,
OS Giken 5 spd close ratio tranny with matched 4.1 final ratio,
HKS HiperMax II Drag coilovers
R33 GTR Brembo front rotors/calipers
R33 GTR stock rear rotors/calipers

Stick with your T67 plan....otherwise you'll have to get real serious and spend serious money on getting the bottom end spiffed up...plus your streetability will suffer badly.
Have fun and be safe!
;)

[NISSANDET240]

I need an advice,
I want 333 [email protected], but Im in a buget.
So far this is what I have:
S13 HB
s15 sr 6spe tranny along wiht the VLSD
blist FMIC
bist BOV
Koyos all aluminum rad.
What else do i need to make [email protected] and how much would it cost me.
thanxs.

:D

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by Rocking_S14
That is correct...692 RWHP on the GT3240 BB turbo although the 3240 is only rated at 595hp, this turbo has a cutback exhaust wheel with custom work done on the compressor and exhaust housing. I will be swapping turbos out in the next month or so to the T51R Kai Special.
(I just ran my car today and my 60 feet time improved a few tenths of a second from 1.79 to 1.75 with minor suspension tweaks and tire pressure adjustment.) I was eating up 800hp GTRs off the line half way thru 3rd gear....these were 9 sec GTRs I was playing with today at the track....way too cool.....Silvias rule!...at least half way thru 3rd gear.
Can't wait for my M/T drag slicks to arrive and swap out my turbo!!

This is what I have on my SR20DET S14 Blacktop:

TODA 272 cams in/ 280 exh side
TODA Adj. cam gears
APEXi Power FC ECU
Top Feed Fuel Rail
Apexi 1000cc injectors
Greddy Intake Manifold w/Infinity Q45 90mm throttle body
Z32 MAFs
HKS 3 Core FMIC
HKS Oil Cooler
HKS 3 row Aluminum radiator w/twin cooling fans
Tomei Rocker Arm Stoppers,
Tomei valve springs
HKS Lash Killer
Custom ported heads
HKS forged pistons
HKS Connecting Rods/bearings
HKS 3-plate clutch, stock VLSD, ,
OS Giken 5 spd close ratio tranny with matched 4.1 final ratio,
HKS HiperMax II Drag coilovers
R33 GTR Brembo front rotors/calipers
R33 GTR stock rear rotors/calipers

Stick with your T67 plan....otherwise you'll have to get real serious and spend serious money on getting the bottom end spiffed up...plus your streetability will suffer badly.
Have fun and be safe!
;)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Definately not stateside. Those are some pretty amazing numbers. Sounds like you soon to join the 9 sec silvia club there?

[FORCFED]

you should have no problem reaching your goal. you could use a T28 off of an S14 or S15 or you could go for a T3/T4 but that would be overkill for what you are looking for. you will also want to do a fuel upgrade including injectors and a fuel computer. i would also recomend a head gasket and RAS that should be all that you need.

[NISSANDET240]

whtat "RAS"?
What size injectors should i buy?
whould The z32 fuel pump supply the needed fuel or what do u guys recomend me?
im planning of addinga blist turbo timer and bost control=)

[FORCFED]

Z32 pump should be fine, i went with the walboro fuel pump. RAS are Rocker Arm Stoppers, they are a weak point in the head. Not everyone uses them but i would recomend it just as a safety precaution.

[Jeff240sx]

The Z32 pump will actually pump more fuel than the 255 L/hr high-pressure Walbro pump.
I think that the flow rate is the same, but the Z32 pump pumps more fuel at raised fuel pressures.
-Jeff

[sykikchimp]

what thickness Head gasket do you recommend? any kind of brand your prefer?

[rcviper]

Sorry to bring up an insanely old post but I'm considering getting a Greddy T-67. Would you recommend getting this over the T4Oe 50 trim I have right now? It put down 386 w/o a 50 shot, but I want mid 400s without the direct-port. I have the SDS 4F system, and it is tuned great but doesn't spool until about 4500-4900 rpms. I'm running 32 degrees timing as well, anyone turn theirs up any higher on stock cams and bottom end? I'm wondering if like on my DSM I had it run at 40 degrees, this should help spool. Thanks!

[Paul2x]

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but what about the smaller 25G's??

The T67 is the big bad boy 25G

But their is also the TD06-25 G in various config's.

I'm considerning the TD06-25G with 8cm (smallest) wheel.

Anyone have expenience with this turbo? or an equivlant?

Thanks,

Paul

[arian23]

Go with a 42R!!! haha you will make a shit load of power!

[Gilboyto]

Heres a T66 on an SR....I saw another vid of it a while back but I cant find it...

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=624596705

[steve shadows]

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but what about the smaller 25G's??

The T67 is the big bad boy 25G

But their is also the TD06-25 G in various config's.

I'm considerning the TD06-25G with 8cm (smallest) wheel.

Anyone have expenience with this turbo? or an equivlant?

Thanks,

Paul


Why?

Why even mess with that stuff?

Stick to Garrett IMO.

On the topic of T67 BTW.

The T67 Garrett wheel is efficent to 700 whp fange cfm rates on a 2.0 Liter with the right head work.

It is often commonly referred to the TO4R

A BB varient of this with a T3 turbine housing and custom turbine wheel is the way I would go.

Talk about a monster...maybe I let something out of the bag.:keke:

its been done a couple times here and in jdm land.

[projectdrifter]

im sorta in the same situation all these other guys are except im going to be running a:
td07 25g (t66 ish)
tial 40mm wg
cometic 1.2mm head gasket
arp studs
power fc/commander/dattalogit
walbro pump/770inj,sard fpr
smc meth injection kit
apexi fmic
272/272 race cams/titanium spring/retainers/ras
sard filter/catch can
hks carbon ti exhaust
ku intake manifold (jun style surge tank) 90mm tb
greedy oil pan
double pass radiator

my concern is running the stock pistons/rods. im lookingto do a concervative 18 psi tune maybe bump it up to 22psi on race gas. the second part of my concern is running a big turbo that flows a ton of cfm (compared to a t3/t4e) is the amount of heat being forced thru the engine. any helpfull info would be appreciated. any parts im missing to make it safer or a lil more potent. this build is deing done as we speak. it should be up and on the dyno running in may or june of 2007.

on a side note the video above me is rombus he is located in virginia that car is stupid fast.. but gives me chills to know im gunna be close no way im running 35psi tho lol

[steve shadows]

my concern is running the stock pistons/rods. im lookingto do a concervative 18 psi tune maybe bump it up to 22psi on race gas. the second part of my concern is running a big turbo that flows a ton of cfm (compared to a t3/t4e) is the amount of heat being forced thru the engine. any helpfull info would be appreciated. any parts im missing to make it safer or a lil more potent. this build is deing done as we speak. it should be up and on the dyno running in may or june of 2007.


18 psi shoudl be aok on a good condition stock bottom end. 22 PSI is fine as well and has been shown time and time again not to be the SR's weak spot. The HLA's are the true weak spot in the engine designe (aka valvetrain is hydrolic).

I would suggest (if your worried about it) At least replacing the oil pan with a new one and also a larger oil pan/capcity or oil cooler. If you really want to be safe flip the motor on a stand and replace the rod bearings.

In terms of raw heat in the engine that should not really be a concern if you have an upgraded intercooler and radiator that match your needs. Temp gauges for oil or water could help monitor this if you are not already using a standalone system that can support data logging.