ongoing 5 speed swap battle... need help

[turbo2nr]

well heres the story,
paid a shop to do my 5 speed swap on my 97 s14,
i provided all parts, using a 96 ka tranny, 6 puck clutch, lines ect..

gave them the car, they charged me 450 for the swap which included tranny fluid and new slave clyd. took them 3 days to do it.

got the car back, they did not wire up reverse lights or neutral saftey, they said they couldnt get it to work, also the clutch engagment was extremly hight 1/2" from full release. took the car drove , as soon as i got it back to my house 20m from the shop it makes a wierd sound.

long story short, turns out that the 96 ka tranny uses the 95 carrier bearing if its before april 96, they used a 97 carrier bearing which is smaller causing the pressure plate not to engage fully, so now the car is in their shop again.
its been 9 days, they still havent found the 95 carrier which is 5mm bigger.
they do not want to use the old one.

so my question is this my fault or the shops fault, i mean i provided all the parts, but they did the labor. they want to charge me an additional 150 which im ok with, but after it taking this long over a week, i have a feeling they will want to charge me more..

just need to hear peoples opinions on this
thanks

[gijoe69]

umm I know for a fact that when I did my 95 S14 from AT to MT swap...I ran wires & directly wired the NEUTRAL SWITCH to the ECU and the 5th switch (Fuel Cut) to the ECU.....only had to wire 4 items....Reverse light (switch to behind fuse box connector, loop the 1st connector to start, neutral and 5th to ECU), I didn't even bother wiring the clutch pedal for the cruise control....

[gijoe69]

also if they have trouble with the drive shaft then just go get a JDM S14 ABS or NON ABS SR20DET Driveshaft they both the same as KA24

[turbo2nr]

yea i feel like they should be able to wire the reverse lights at least.

the drive shaft wasnt a problem, i gave them a 5speed drive shaft for a s14.

[spacedog]

well heres the story,
long story short, turns out that the 96 ka tranny uses the 95 carrier bearing if its before april 96, they used a 97 carrier bearing which is smaller causing the pressure plate not to engage fully, so now the car is in their shop again.
its been 9 days, they still havent found the 95 carrier which is 5mm bigger.
they do not want to use the old one.

so my question is this my fault or the shops fault, i mean i provided all the parts, but they did the labor. they want to charge me an additional 150 which im ok with, but after it taking this long over a week, i have a feeling they will want to charge me more..


doing a swap in its entirety (to include wiring of reverse light, neutral position switch, and 5th gear switch) is the shop's responsibilty. Unless there were other terms in the scope of work that you didn't tell us.



I would say that changing out the carrier bearing is a new job for them, seperate from the swap (even though its directly realted to that), hence the $150 charge. So, im assuming they're supplying the part for you. I don't think you should have to pay extra because they can't locate a part; the only extra charge that they can bill you for is probably storage. I'd check any documentation you have to be sure you didnt already agree to pay for storage fees. If you can't find anything then I'd suggest you talk to them. Thats the best thing you can do, just talk to them and figure something out if they 're trying to charge you for keeping your car there for so long.

Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.

[turbo2nr]

well it turns out its now the pressure plate is defective. so he orderd a new one form nissan.

so here the break down
450 inital swap
400- parts (220) + (180)labor ,to fix

does it seem fair?
at least they keep me updated, i jus wished they worked faster but it will get done.. hopefully

[drift freaq]

well it turns out its now the pressure plate is defective. so he orderd a new one form nissan.

so here the break down
450 inital swap
400- parts (220) + (180)labor ,to fix

does it seem fair?
at least they keep me updated, i jus wished they worked faster but it will get done.. hopefully

I don't see anything unfair its standard shop rates. Maybe the the extra labor for the defective clutch do to them not doing their homework. This is such a random thing labor wise. Some shops charge a lot more than others. Your pricing is not crazy over the top though. Its actually about average.

[projectRDM]

The carrier bearing in found in the driveshaft, so I assume you mean the throwout bearing.

I see you've found the problem, but any T/O bearing will work with any pressure plate, some are different sized or types but they all will fit as long as they're the right application, IE for the engine you have.

[turbo2nr]

problem is that t/o bearing pushes to far into the pressurep plate so that the sleeve(carrier bearing) gets pushed into the fins of the pressure plate causing it to seize.

so what hes telling me is that the pressure plates sits to high, that cause the high engagment and the t/o getting caught up, so he orderd me a new oem nissan pressure plate.

hopes hes right and it solve the problem..

[Sir]

to me it seems like you need to adjust your clutch pedal.

[projectRDM]

problem is that t/o bearing pushes to far into the pressurep plate so that the sleeve(carrier bearing) gets pushed into the fins of the pressure plate causing it to seize.

so what hes telling me is that the pressure plates sits to high, that cause the high engagment and the t/o getting caught up, so he orderd me a new oem nissan pressure plate.

hopes hes right and it solve the problem..

There is no carrier bearing anywhere in the clutch/transmission. The throwout bearing is the ONLY bearing within the bellhousing area. I don't understand why you think there are two bearings involved.

[ThuG LyFe]

sup andrew i had the 95 s14 you saw at the parking lot in flushing.

sux to hear you're having trouble w/ ur swap...what shop did the work? if you have time IM me at andrewysays.

[issac]

I think that the shop most likely fouled up somewhere and are trying to justify it by introducing new problems to the situation ex.....carrier bearing??? Carrier bearing=muffler bearing=blinker fluid=unicorn=.......sounds made up!!!! I just completed this swap and it only took me one day and cost less than 250 bucks start to finish. I don't recall a carrier bearing. The pilot bushing/bearing might be it??
Anyways G/L. Just be real upset, loud , and demanding, and ask for a valid explanation. By the way the carrier bearing is in the drive shaft.

[turbo2nr]

im just using the word carrier bc thats what they told me,
does sleeve make more scene? its the part that the throw out bearing sits on

[Firestorm]

uhmm...pilot bushing? i thought the throw out bearing sits on the main shaft of the tranny...

[brian m]

It goes: pilot bushing, throw out bearing and on the driveshaft- carrier bearing. Aren't the pilot bushings different from Mt and at? The main shaft on the trans fits in the pilot bushing.

[imotion s14]

If you push the sleeve out too far it'll stick on the input shaft. I actuated the fork with my hand when I replaced the clutch fork when I did my 5sp swap and that's what happened. Had to wiggle it a bit to get it to slide back.

I would think if the diaphragm on the pressure plate was "going out" that actuating the clutch would push it too far out and it'd get stuck.

[turbo2nr]

I would think if the diaphragm on the pressure plate was "going out" that actuating the clutch would push it too far out and it'd get stuck.

for what they tell me this seems to be happning..

the t/o bearing is pressed into a sleeve, this is the the part that they said was different, turns out that the pressure plate sit to close to the t/o bearing causing the sleeve of the t/o bearing to get hung up in the fingures of the pressure plate pushing it to far out, and getting stuck...

thanks for all the help.

[turbo2nr]

::update::

pick up car today at 5. pray for me..

lol