i want your two cents... on quarter panel rust.

[driven_]

if you dont wanna read. go to the last few bolded lines.

hey guys, some of you might remember me posting a thread about my quarter panel rust on my zenki. and i got quoted to fix it for 2300.

here's the lowdown.

i bought the car for 1300
invested 1000 in OEM parts along w/ new tires. (yikes)
which totals the car to about 2300

and since i got quoted the lowest at 2300 to fix every little rust spot on my car (there's a few, rocker, quarters, A-pillar, and small bubbles)
it should be about 4600

the guy's gonna do some cutting and welding, and i thought this might not be worth it since the car is automatic.

so i want your two cents. is it worth it?

Plan A: Keep The Car, Do the Bodywork, convert to manual, total should be around = 5500 for a manual stock zenki.

NEW Plan B: Keep The Car, Go Ghetto And Throw On Some Wide-Fenders, POR-15 the other rust, get the other stuff fixed "professionally" and go with some fat wheels

Plan C: part out the damn car.

Plan D: zilvia ideas.

help me. :cry::ugh::aw:

p.s. my car's an SE.

EDIT: the car has 126,xxx miles on it.

here's some pictures.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/EL0KiN/CHACKO/P1020221.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/EL0KiN/CHACKO/P1020230.jpg

rocker is pretty harsh
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/EL0KiN/CHACKO/P1020231-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/EL0KiN/CHACKO/P1020229.jpg

is there anyone in the midwest (preferrebly WI, IL, or MN) who can help me do a 5spd swap?

[corriganjoshua]

:keke:Go with some 100 spoke gold motha fuckin DAYTONS...I recommend plan D

[ROUGE180]

Find a shell and strip the rusted one. Sell what you can't use but atleast start your build with a better base. I too had a similar issue. My first 240 was hurt. No rust, just a lot of dents. It would have cost around what you are being quoted to fix it. I cut my losses and sold that car and found a clean base which is my current.

[driven_]

:keke:Go with some 100 spoke gold motha fuckin DAYTONS...I recommend plan D

i will not throw some D's on that bitch. Lol. :naughty:

[miravete]

pshh...go ghetto if your going to keep it. as far as going manually, it wont cost you that much if you shop around..

shop shop shop around...lol..sounded like the song jump jump jump around.. anyways...:keke:

go ghetto with the wide-fenders, and convert it.:bigok:

[driven_]

Find a shell and strip the rusted one. Sell what you can't use but atleast start your build with a better base. I too had a similar issue. My first 240 was hurt. No rust, just a lot of dents. It would have cost around what you are being quoted to fix it. I cut my losses and sold that car and found a clean base which is my current.

thats a good idea. a guy at another body shop suggested i do that too. but i guess that IS a better idea. its just rare finding a decent shell here in the midwest. i know the west/east coast has plenty of cancer-free shells. but i dont really wanna go out there just to get a shell.

[khilgers]

if you want a caged shell that's ready to go.

D-Town :: View topic - S14 shit has been updated (http://www.d-town.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4653&highlight=shell)

[Full-Lock]

hmm
got pics of the quarter rust?
might be able to solve it with some overfenders.

thats an idea

[driven_]

if you want a caged shell that's ready to go.

D-Town :: View topic - S14 shit has been updated (http://www.d-town.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4653&highlight=shell)

thanks, but i need a DD, maybe later if i wanted a track car.

[beavis360]

I vote to buy an angle grinder fix the body rust yourself and use the money on a dope paint job to replait or to buy parts.

At least that's what I plan on doing with my car.

[MrFixIt]

That's tough man. I got lucky with the rust (or lack thereof) with my car.

What I can say however is that the 5-speed swap realy isn't that hard at all. You can do it for just around $500 on the cheap, but that's re-using old/used clutches and bearings and shit.

Weather you decide to fix the rust or not, I'd definitely do the 5-speed swap. I'd rather have a rusty 5-speed than a clean auto. :P

[UsJdmTUner]

$2300 for that...i would grind and cut the pieces myself and weld new ones.. or slap a over fender depending on the coverage... since you already put alot of effort.. keep the car and daily and track it and not having to worry too much if your car gets banged up or accident since damage is done...but for $2300 you can buy a decent welding machine and air compressor with air tools and DIY...you can start a business also by doing that .. you keep it and save lots of money..

[Bubbles]

its just rare finding a decent shell here in the midwest.



You're preaching to the choir.


While it may be a bit much to travel that far for a shell, taking a buddy with you and picking up a car and driving it back would save you a lot of time and work.

[Bubbles]

I vote to buy an angle grinder fix the body rust yourself and use the money on a dope paint job to replait or to buy parts.

At least that's what I plan on doing with my car.


It's a little more complicated than buying an angle grinder.


-Grinder

-Welder (not cheap)

-Replacement steel

-Skills

-Labor

etc.......



It's not impossible, look around some people basically build a shell themselves, it's just the average hobbyist isn't up for it.

[driven_]

yeah, i'd do it myself, but i'm no pro, and i'm 80% sure its gonna look like crap. i have a cousin who just started auto body, but he hasnt gotten to welding yet, he's only done bondowork so far.

[spoolandslide]

PLAN D: Sell all parts possible while keeping it in running condition (bumpers windows ect... and rally the shit out of it till it dies!

[aznpoopy]

just dremel off the loose rust. spray it with por15, then a little paint.
continue driving it while it looks like ass
get widefenders when you get wide wheels, or not.
you can switch to another shell any time you want and whatever parts you've accumulated can be moved over. as long as it drives okay who cares.

[whereda40at]

keep it and who cares if it looks like ass. you cuz can go back over it once he is done in body school. atleast you will be rust free with a little bit of skill. and you will learn more the second time around when you do it again. plus you will have the tools and shit for the rest of your life.

[drftwerks]

cut
weld
protect
overfender

[burnsauto]

thats going to be a pretty decent amount of metal work to do it CORRECTLY.

if you're going to do something, please don't half ass it. Keep this in mind in any route you decide to take.

I'm not saying go all out, blow tons of money, and be a snob. I'm saying nothing is worth doing, if its not done correctly. If you rig it up, it would be no different than if you left it alone.

you've gatta have ONE friend who's got a welder. The more time you put into you're patch panels before you weld them on, the better they will turn out.

[driven_]

thats going to be a pretty decent amount of metal work to do it CORRECTLY.

if you're going to do something, please don't half ass it. Keep this in mind in any route you decide to take.

I'm not saying go all out, blow tons of money, and be a snob. I'm saying nothing is worth doing, if its not done correctly. If you rig it up, it would be no different than if you left it alone.

you've gatta have ONE friend who's got a welder. The more time you put into you're patch panels before you weld them on, the better they will turn out.

correct. my brothers have always said "do it right, or dont do it at all" because they've learned from buying knockoffs.

i'm thinking if i keep the car, i might as well do it, because i'm not really feeling the widebody work right now,

decisions are hard. :bite:

[Matej]

Order some Por15, supposedly it works very well.

http://www.nathanbayreuther.com/mariner/images/por15.jpg

[finalimport]

good luck, I wld jus start w/ another car

[SpuGen]

Fix the rocker for sure.

Sand down and paint the quarter panel until you have money for overfenders. When you do, chop that shit out and slap on overfenders with fatty wheels. :D

[s13.dark1]

plan A dont let that bs rust win

[yurisfriendevan]

sand all the paint off and have the first rat rod style s14 in existance. maybe it will catch on and you will be known as the forefather of the import rat scene!

[driven_]

Order some Por15, supposedly it works very well.

http://www.nathanbayreuther.com/mariner/images/por15.jpg

isnt that stuff thick? or so it looks.

how do you paint over that?

tips with POR-15 would help.

[slidewaysmn]

I replaced both of my rusted rockers on my 95 for 150...salvage yard! Cut out the rust on the quarter and weld in a new piece and use body filler. Easy Peasy

[S13_SideWayz]

i will chop that piece up.. so it doesnt keep on going. and plan B .. ill look baller and still DD.

[sub9lulu]

B

theres no reason why u dont go with B

[silpena]

plan b is stupid... slap on some wide body panels.. year... fall off. $$ gone and and now ur looking stupid. NEVER put anything over rust or anything that has been contaminated or can be. Id say invest in a compressor/angle grinder/cheap welder, snips, and some basic body tools. U can sut that off and make a new patch to it. The qp arnttat hard but the rockers are a little more diffulcult.(sp) or look for ur nearest jc that offers autobody and take it. U will all semester to do it with all the tools u need. Save $$ and learn some new skills at the same time while looking good at it.

[driven_]

I replaced both of my rusted rockers on my 95 for 150...salvage yard! Cut out the rust on the quarter and weld in a new piece and use body filler. Easy Peasy

not if you you dont have decent s14's in your local junkyards.

[driven_]

plan b is stupid... slap on some wide body panels.. year... fall off. $$ gone and and now ur looking stupid. NEVER put anything over rust or anything that has been contaminated or can be. Id say invest in a compressor/angle grinder/cheap welder, snips, and some basic body tools. U can sut that off and make a new patch to it. The qp arnttat hard but the rockers are a little more diffulcult.(sp) or look for ur nearest jc that offers autobody and take it. U will all semester to do it with all the tools u need. Save $$ and learn some new skills at the same time while looking good at it.
well, once upon a time, rivets were created.

i didnt literally mean slap em on.
and of course i'd put some POR-15 on it or something to prevent it from coming back.

[1slowS13]

drive it till it falls apart, in the meanwhile try and look for a shell. its not like you have to swap yo shit over right now

[aznpoopy]

isnt that stuff thick? or so it looks.

how do you paint over that?

tips with POR-15 would help.

go to the por15 website

like i said before. you sand it / dremel / whatever the loose rust off.
then you paint the por15 directly over rusty metal.
then paint on top of the por15.

obviously its not going to fill gaps in the body but it'll keep it from rusting more.

[driven_]

go to the por15 website

like i said before. you sand it / dremel / whatever the loose rust off.
then you paint the por15 directly over rusty metal.
then paint on top of the por15.

obviously its not going to fill gaps in the body but it'll keep it from rusting more.

so basically its like a primer?
i need some nice decent bodywork that'll last.

will por-15 work with bondo?

sorry for noob questions.

[UsJdmTUner]

so basically its like a primer?
i need some nice decent bodywork that'll last.

will por-15 work with bondo?

sorry for noob questions.

dude just to be safe.. if you are really worried on your rust.. i would por15 over the rust... even if you grind the rust.. i would literally cut pieces and weld in a new sheet of metal... why dont you show and post some pics so we know what we are dealing with?>

[flip3d]

slam it, gut it, drift it.

[ZX88]

for the quarter pannel cut the fenders and buy some over fenders.and for the rocker just cut and have someone weld sheetmetal. paint it ourself. done


but yeah that thing is is rusty i would be worried about other things being rusted out. if its too much cut your losses and sell it.

[aznpoopy]

so basically its like a primer?
i need some nice decent bodywork that'll last.

will por-15 work with bondo?

sorry for noob questions.

no its rust inhibitor. just read the faq!

POR-15 Inc. - FAQ (http://www.por15.com/faq.asp)

and ur shit is way too far gone for bondo. body filler is not meant to recreate fender arches. might be okay to smooth out the fender in the second pic. but first one looks like it has a chunk missing.