BBK to enter our market!!!! READ!!!!

[viscid240]

Hello everyone,

Some of you know me some no so good. I have and am a dedicated loyal NISSAN guy ( particular 240 guy). Well as you can tell from my signature I work at BAER Brakes a company some of you may be familiar with if you or someone you know are into the Domestic market.

I have been like most everyone willing to contribute and try to give our community more options and support. Some of you know that I currently own a s13 and my girl owns a s14, Which I daily the s14 to work. I have brought up numerous times to our sales reps, upper management, and engineers. To possibly develop a system for our vehicles.

Baer has been looking heavily into the 240's but never took the leap to go forward. Until recently I discussed it with the OWNER into a system for my girls s14. 6-piston all around.

He accepted. The new 6p system might be overkill but with a template to now have in our database. We should be able to offer our lower line of 2 piston calipers. That would be better suitable and financially friendly.

I hope you guys can accept this kindness as it was some pressure and balls on my part to push this project for all of us. I do understand that their may be cheaper alternatives or even " proven " setups, but I hope that if they choose to go full forward you give some support.

Keep in mind this company is dedicated to muscle and true domestic owners all over. This is a step for them and a chance to support our industry.

PM me with any questions and I will answer them to the best of my ability and will get you information from our techs if I do not have the answers..

Thanks for your time..

Here are some pictures...
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/viscid240/gtp_System.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/viscid240/track_pls_pair.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w118/viscid240/6p-system.jpg

[ellisonrox]

pics don't work for me, but it definitely sounds interesting

:bigok:

[bigOdom1]

what are prices expected to be

[viscid240]

This is yet to be determined, But you could look roughly from 8-1150 depending on options and such. This is not yet a stamped price. I could get you more or less a rough estimate but I would assume the price I listed is close..

[initial_drifter]

i'm pretty sure you'd sell more if you had some made for the 4-lug guys

[hassanbakar123]

4-lug version
please

[viscid240]

4-lug is a definite.. her s14 is a base, so that is guaranteed. also the 4 & 5 lug will not be an issue. We do all bolt circles needed for systems. Option can include 1 or 2pc. rotors.

[SaintlyCharBoy]

Can you offer a version to suit an internal drum ie. Z32 parking brake?

do you currently have a solution for another sort of parking brake - brick not included?

[viscid240]

Well at the moment I can say We will most likely offer a Front only upgrade. The case being if we were to offer a rear it would come with everything needed (brackets, hose, caliper, hardware, in most cases brake cables).

I could look into it more, but chances are if this is for a 240 it is all for a non modified braked 240 i.e. z32 upgraded.

[vvtisupra]

Do you know the piston sizes and rotor sizes ?

[SoSideways]

Why no 4 piston set up? :(

[240trainee]

6>4

I dunno, they look cool.

Good Luck with it.

[silnismo]

DoPe IdEa!!!!

if you price the 2 piston just right, i think you will have alot of sucess from the 240 community. The majority of 240 owners arr broke, and having this as a option between q45 brake to wilwood would be much appreciated.

+1 for you!

[Thaiair]

Looking at the prices on the website, most of the front brakes are priced around $1800+, not a price most Zilvians can afford. Even the iron calipers for rear corners are $795. At those prices, 300zx brakes look like a better choice for most people.

I would love to support a US company if I could. Good Luck!

[!Zar!]

Would be nice, but it's a dumb move for the owner to invest into the 240 market.

I'd rahter invest in the 350z/g35/gtR market.

All you're going to get is a whole bunch of lookers and maybe two or so people out of the entire board will really fork up the money for them.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but it's dumb.

And as for the person who asked for a 4lug version? HAHAHA fuck that.

You can't afford wheels and 5lug so what makes you think you can buy the brakes?

Not to mention you won't be able to clear any 4 lug wheels with these brakes.

hahah.

Fucktard is the word of the day.

[status:one]

I have to agree with Zar... definitely won't have very many 240 owners going after this.

[NI_YON_Zenki]

This will be interesting? why is BBK here, Is that what BBK is, Baer Brakes? I only know BBK to have to do with Generation Mustangs. Nothing to do with Baer Brakes. Please Clear up any misconception.

[!Zar!]

You always make me lulz.

BBK = Black British Knights.

...big brake kit...

[Anto]

This is true. Most will be lookie-loos and probably won't buy this. Why?

Because when you can get a full Z32 setup for much cheaper, that's the way people are going to go. A majority of people on zilvia won't need anything bigger than z32 with good pads, but for the ones that do, they'll invest in the STi/Evo brembo's, or another BBK.

Sorry, but I really don't think it'll fly, maybe if you had a product that's unique to the market.

Good effort though!

Would be nice, but it's a dumb move for the owner to invest into the 240 market.

I'd rahter invest in the 350z/g35/gtR market.

All you're going to get is a whole bunch of lookers and maybe two or so people out of the entire board will really fork up the money for them.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but it's dumb.

And as for the person who asked for a 4lug version? HAHAHA fuck that.

You can't afford wheels and 5lug so what makes you think you can buy the brakes?

Not to mention you won't be able to clear any 4 lug wheels with these brakes.

hahah.

Fucktard is the word of the day.

[viscid240]

Thanks for your opinions/responses. I do see your point with the afford ability when compared to " z32 upgrade".

As far as a dumb move on the owners part.. I disagree, This is really only gonna cost him time and possibly profit. I am supplying the vehicle and most likely he would have made me a custom system anyway. Since there is no 240 kit in our catalog all it really does is add one.

Rotor size can vary from system type from 11.5 to 14" depending on application and fitment. I will be having and post pictures once mine is complete. This will be withing the next 1.5 months, as the car will be going into the garage in 2-2.5 weeks for mock up.

Cost will also be discussed after all is complete, the prices you seen on the website are for the 6p, and not for our 2 piston setups. Also why no 4 piston you ask? That is also something we have plans for in the near future.

Keep in mind that this is mainly another option to support the import market as well as our community. It is not that easy for dedicated domestic owners and customers to want to go that extra step to help out our community. This also being a U.S based and proven company, and I can promise you will get great customer service at that.

Feel free to ask anything else or voice your opinion. Whether it be negative or positive. I am just trying to add more support for us...

Thanks.

[dynamicck]

man trying to compete with STI/EVO brembos modded to fit 240's is gonna be tough.

Good luck

[atom]

Wait, lemme get this right, you wanna bring a 2 piston front kit to the market when our cars have a 4 piston, OEM, bolt-on brake upgrade? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Plus you can get inch up rotor brackets for z32 caliper/z33 rotors on ebay all the time.

[yokotas13]

man 800 bucks for a sliding caliper design?

hells no
you can do R33 Brembos for that much

[TheWolf]

240 owners feel at home looking for used unknown quality parts in junkyards all over the planet then comparing them to new and talking about how much better off they are.

now if these kits involved taking some parts of some random car and mixing it with this kit. 240 owners would jump on it. remember it's all about looking good... stopping is secondary as no brake kit out shows a before and after stopping distance

[S14DB]

Yeah you're competing with an OEM 4 piston setup.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CP&Category_Code=240sx_nms_gtrbrake

That's new. Most people part together used/refurbished parts for even cheaper.

[S13shaka]

the cheapness and effectiveness of Z32 and Q45 brakes make BBK's for 240s pretty much obsolete.

I say you sell 3-4 kits max, one or two to some shops for their demo cars and the others to some rich asses

[DOOK]

not gonna sell... tell your boss to invest in a higher grade market, such as the G35 arena and/or wrx/STi. You wouldn't believe the STi owners who burn up their brembos and look to upgrade, it's redonculous.

[!Zar!]

Thanks for your opinions/responses. I do see your point with the afford ability when compared to " z32 upgrade".

As far as a dumb move on the owners part.. I disagree, This is really only gonna cost him time and possibly profit. I am supplying the vehicle and most likely he would have made me a custom system anyway. Since there is no 240 kit in our catalog all it really does is add one.
Time is money. Why waste time designing something to fail? Honestly, almost all 240 people now a days aren't going to spend money. Let alone brakes. I think 240sx people are cheaper than honda people.

Rotor size can vary from system type from 11.5 to 14" depending on application and fitment. I will be having and post pictures once mine is complete. This will be withing the next 1.5 months, as the car will be going into the garage in 2-2.5 weeks for mock up. It's not so much rotor size, it's caliper and face clearance.

Cost will also be discussed after all is complete, the prices you seen on the website are for the 6p, and not for our 2 piston setups. Also why no 4 piston you ask? That is also something we have plans for in the near future. Hope not anything else for 240's.

Keep in mind that this is mainly another option to support the import market as well as our community. It is not that easy for dedicated domestic owners and customers to want to go that extra step to help out our community. This also being a U.S based and proven company, and I can promise you will get great customer service at that. But most of the 240 people would rather buy cheap, and then complain, than buy quality.

Feel free to ask anything else or voice your opinion. Whether it be negative or positive. I am just trying to add more support for us...
I'm just trying to save you time.

[kuruptR]

If you made a 240sx rear 4 Pot with ebrake incorporated some how.. I will garantee I would buy that. Like a 5 pot or something crazy ahah 5th piston being a spin type piston for pulling pleasure

[viscid240]

Thanks for the opinions...

I had a feeling these responses were likely. I have no hard feelings and do see where you all are coming from. It is mainly a item to help support the market.

!ZAR! - I totally see your point, and I understand completely. Yeah the 2-piston was more-so an example. I mean our main interest are domestics. This is just a " shot to give us another option". I mean in the end at least I and my girls will have the 6-piston setup all around. So some positive in that aspect.

Hopefully some of us will at least give it consideration as to just turn the other way.

I will still keep you posted with any additional updates and such...

[Def]

You might want to discuss pad cost since that heavily influences overall brake cost ownership. At least it does if you track your car, which I imagine(hope?) most BBK buyers are doing.

I know that's what makes STi/EVO brembos really expensive compared to other options, since their pads are very pricey compared to say Z32 pads, and definitely compared to a lot of common BBK sizes(like Stoptech common sizes etc.)

[viscid240]

With our systems they can vary from $80-120 depending on which kit it is.

Also, we will be able to give you prices or recommend other brands(i.e. Hawk, Ebc, etc.) that are compatible with our systems.

[eek]

Pads don't really kill you on the evo/sti brembos, its the daym rotors which kill your wallet. Anyhow, it would probably easier to just make the brake kit for a g35/350z and just have the adapter bracket redrilled for the samller 12mm bolt vs the 14mm that the g35/350z uses. Since g35/350z brakes fit s-chassis besides redrilling for the larger bolts.

[Def]

Pads don't really kill you on the evo/sti brembos, its the daym rotors which kill your wallet. Anyhow, it would probably easier to just make the brake kit for a g35/350z and just have the adapter bracket redrilled for the samller 12mm bolt vs the 14mm that the g35/350z uses. Since g35/350z brakes fit s-chassis besides redrilling for the larger bolts.

I seem to recall the rotors being about $60 more per pair than Z32 rotors, and the average track pads were about $100+ more per pair which will probably last 4-6 weekends on the track.

[viscid240]

We do make a 350z system.... just to let you guys know. For everyone who has asked..

[s13 @ fullboost]

looks good Hope it turns out to be a big success =]

[gotta240]

240 owners WILL NOT buy 2 piston calipers. PERIOD.

They will buy z32 4 piston or j30 2 piston before spending money on aftermarket 2 piston. Just a heads up.

99percent of 240 owners are not practical, stupid, and cheap. Choose another crowd as already stated.

[viscid240]

the 2-piston was an example, and I was told that we are straying away to replace them for the 4-pot that I stated a few post back...

Find a new crowd? why this was not a marketing scheme, more as a new item for owners to have 'ANOTHER CHOICE'......

[Silverbullet]

blah blah blah... more as a new item for owners to have 'ANOTHER CHOICE'......

Is your boss reading what your typing as a representative of his company? Out of all motivational business books out there, none of them, absolutely none of them do not illustrate one specific point. That one point is to stand out and having a reason for someone to buy your product, not just another one on the market. :loco:

You asked for the community's response, and you just got a taste of your market sample. If your just going to try to argue, what exactly are you doing?

[OptionZero]

It seems like you've already decided what your opinion/recommendation to this guy will be and you don't want to hear otherwise.

[viscid240]

I see what you guys are saying, If I came off defensive I might have.

Apologies, I guess I caught myself up in the excitement of having a kit made and truthfully not wanting to hear otherwise...

No hard feelings, and like always will post any updates...

[blu808]

cool idea. Thanks for stepping up and trying to get more parts for our cars. I would personally try to market towards the people who would actually have money for these. z/g owners, fd, fc, etc.

Best of luck.
Luke

[viscid240]

FD market would be nice to try one for. Maybe down the road. Like I said Our company is deep into the domestic market, so any import we make is a rarity.

We are not that big of a company as of now, but, have been involved for some time..

[eek]

I seem to recall the rotors being about $60 more per pair than Z32 rotors, and the average track pads were about $100+ more per pair which will probably last 4-6 weekends on the track.

The prices I've seen brembo evo rotors were around $400 a pair. Prices for pads I've seen were in the $200 range. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place?