Air Locker

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

So today i drove in a hummer H1 and the driver was telling me all of the features of the truck. One of the coolest features was an air locker which is a 2 way differential that can be turned on and off by activating a switch on the dash. I thought this was pretty cool and was wondering if anyone has used one of these on a 240sx? I searched and found nothing but its a cool idea so when you are daily driving you can turn it off and save your tires. So what I'm asking is that is there a company that makes a similar setup for a 240sx.
-Thanks

[Jonnyblaze]

sounds like itd break easily

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

the air locker is designed for 4 by 4 off road vehicles which take a lot of abuse, i think it would work good on a daily driver track car.

[TanaMU]

so you're asking if anyone has forced a hummer diff into their 240sx. am i reading that correctly?

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

no is there a company that makes a similar setup for a 240sx.

[S14DB]

Look for one for a Front Diff in a Frontier. Should be a R200.

I think this will fit:
Description/ Shaft Diameter / Shaft Spline / Ratio / ARB Part No.
R200A,6 cyl. / 30.4 (1.20") / 29 / All / RD107

[Bubbles]

I've heard of them on rwd cars but I don't remember the details.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

so u could take the differential out of a frontier and wire and plum it properly i could have an air locking differential? Is there anyone out there that has done this successfully?
Thank You S14DB +1

[murda-c]

ARB makes r200 air lockers.

edit: lol i'm slow to hit submit on posts and s14db beat me to it.

[racepar1]

An air locker is NOT a LSD, It is a LOCKER. When it is activated it will basically be a welded diff. Something tells me that it would be cheaper to just go out and buy a real LSD.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

http://www.drivetrain.com/arb.html

This link shows how they work and how much they cost but i have never herd on anyone putting one of these on a 240sx I would like to see if someone has this setup on their car. Its really pricey but it seems like it would work better than a 2 way differential.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

Drifting with a welded differential is easy that why most people use it in drifting. A 2 way differential is almost a locked differential.

[uthemofo]

welded all the way, don't be a pansy.

[sylsevilsis]

I would rock this setup. It say's Nissan did an extensive test.

[drftem]

ive always wondered why no companies made these for drifting that would be bad ass. or you could do a cabled locker instead of air meaning youd have to have an onboard air compressor you could use a cable that would switch it on.

[murda-c]

It will be more effective than a 2 way if you have a shitty 2 way.

[S14DB]

I would use it for drag racing. Would prefer a LSD for drift.

[HyperTek]

just get a LSD like a 1.5 or something. Money well spent you wont be left with doubts of "what if i went wiht this instead." so you will have a double edged knife instead of a 1 sided blade *get it? your car will be able to do a variety of driving styles, not just make your car only for drifting*

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

i have a welded differential and love how it feels but around town I would like to conserve tires because I end up driving a lot for work. I was just wondering if any had this setup because maybe I can get some to this stuff second hand for cheap.

[McRussellPants]

one of the just drift guys has one in his mustang.


he says it works fine.

kinda a one trick pony though.

[Darkbluesr240]

Have fun with that man... or go with an electric locker its old news for someone who does offroading my jeep had airlockers and the rubicons come with electric lockers. Your better off going with a lsd but what would I know I Left the 240 for 3 different jeeps.

[xtreme_s14]

i was actually going to suggest the TRD diff commonly used in supras, but it actually allows you to switch between 1.5 to 2-way which is pretty cool. is 1.5-way just as aggressive as 2-ways?

oh.. and look into the 2007 frontier nismo edition, i believe they had that "air locker" option. and seeing as how it's also nissan, it may or may not be compatible with our chasis.

[sldbyuramg]

lol...you always have the craziest threads... so basically you want a 200mph car with an air locker...sweet! and good luck

[racepar1]

i have a welded differential and love how it feels but around town I would like to conserve tires because I end up driving a lot for work. I was just wondering if any had this setup because maybe I can get some to this stuff second hand for cheap.

If you like how a welded diff feels driving around town then there is something wrong in your head. I have driven a car with a welded diff and it is SUPER annoying. Welded diffs are for people who want to drift and can't afford a real diff, that is all.

[Pank]

but it actually allows you to switch between 1.5 to 2-way which is pretty cool. is 1.5-way just as aggressive as 2-ways?

obviously its .5 more aggressive
dur

[atom]

i was actually going to suggest the TRD diff commonly used in supras, but it actually allows you to switch between 1.5 to 2-way which is pretty cool. is 1.5-way just as aggressive as 2-ways?

oh.. and look into the 2007 frontier nismo edition, i believe they had that "air locker" option. and seeing as how it's also nissan, it may or may not be compatible with our chasis.

But you gotta drop the diff to change it so thats not really an option.

Air lockers like ARB are pretty expensive, more expensive than a basic LSD I'm sure. For the price of an air locker you could probably get a more baller LSD like carbonetic or Nismo GT-Pro.

[iHeartTheTouge]

Dent Sport Garage uses a welded diff in their time attack s13. so you can still use it to grip and not ONLY drift.

[McRussellPants]

Yeah, its just a different driving style.

if you'd rather blame the car for bad driving than adjusting and using it then obviously it won't be faster.

there are alot of cars that race with spools.

[Somnambulist]

If you like how a welded diff feels driving around town then there is something wrong in your head. I have driven a car with a welded diff and it is SUPER annoying. Welded diffs are for people who want to drift and can't afford a real diff, that is all.

Agreed. I hated mine. I was glad when mine finally broke so I got the chance to upgrade it and put the J30 VLSD in it.

[ericcastro]

..... so when you are daily driving you can turn it off and save your tires.
-Thanks




Im gonna slap the next fuck that is worried about saving tires on a fucking drift car. Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!! If your worried about your "daily" tires wearing out about a month earlier than normal, then you shouldn't be fucking drifting cause you cant support buying at least 6 pairs of tires a month.

neg rep sent.

[ericcastro]

Welded diffs are for people who want to drift and can't afford a real diff, that is all.

yeah.

Just a quik question, your a grip guy right?? not a drift guy??



They are. Or for people that are learning and dont wanna drop a giant amount of money on something they dont even know if they will like or be good at. Welded diffs are great for beginers. then after that they can make up thier mind if they wanna save for the real deal and get deeper into motorsports.

they welded actually helps me hold my drifts a little onger since I am just running a SOHC. It never tries to disengage or grip on my when I am switching direction.

and since my Daily is still my track car, I dont have to listen to the 2way clunk all day. :)

[aaronlosey]

i've used ARB air lockers in my jeep before. they require a small air tank and a compressor, as well as drilling the diff a small hole to run an air line through, blah blah blah. they are very nice diffs out of australia, well made. but they are a bit fragile since they rely on small o-ring to seal the diff internally and keep the air in there. mine kept snapping and i would have to pull everything to replace them. plus, it isn't really a 2 way, its a full spool when its on, so its basically just a welded diff when you want it on that comes with a 25 pound penalty from all the stuff it takes to work, with a $1.5k bill in the end, and alot of complexity.

i wouldn't recommend it at all. having said that, i'm sure since they offer nissan diffs you could figure out what nissan truck diff is the equivalent of an r200, or maybe an r220, and figure out a way to get it in there.

still, its a pretty dumb idea and i pulled mine out of my jeep and run a normal spool and a detroit, because they don't have as many failure points.



oh, i'm pretty sure the rubber seals inside the diff wouldn't stand up to how hot i get my diff drifting and road coursing.

[racepar1]

Dent Sport Garage uses a welded diff in their time attack s13. so you can still use it to grip and not ONLY drift.

Then DSG is giving up some lap time. A LSD is unquestionably faster and overall better than welded. The car just doesn't want to turn with a welded diff and the additional tire scrub not only wears tires, but also scrubs more speed. To drive with a welded diff on the track means basically steering the car with the throttle, which is not the best way to do it. I personally wouldn't even consider tracking a welded diff and personally wouldn't really want a clutch type diff either. For track you want a diff that engages and dis-engages so smoothly that you can't even feel it working. The quailfe diff is the best track diff IMO, and the best clutch type for track is the nismo 1.5 way.

[gotta240]

If you like how a welded diff feels driving around town then there is something wrong in your head. I have driven a car with a welded diff and it is SUPER annoying. Welded diffs are for people who want to drift and can't afford a real diff, that is all.


Or for people that understand a 2 way and a welded is basically the same shit on a race track, and realize that grand would make their car faster in turbo upgrades than a 2 way diff.

Then again, million dollar race cars use spools...but shit, they must be trying to save a buck.

[racepar1]

yeah.

Just a quik question, your a grip guy right?? not a drift guy??



They are. Or for people that are learning and dont wanna drop a giant amount of money on something they dont even know if they will like or be good at. Welded diffs are great for beginers. then after that they can make up thier mind if they wanna save for the real deal and get deeper into motorsports.

they welded actually helps me hold my drifts a little onger since I am just running a SOHC. It never tries to disengage or grip on my when I am switching direction.

and since my Daily is still my track car, I dont have to listen to the 2way clunk all day. :)


I would personally rather listen to a clunk than my tires scrubbing and chirping everytime I turn. I am actually working on a car with a welded diff right now and I hate pulling it in and out of the shop or the storage yard! The god damn thing just doesn't want to turn! You are right that it makes it easier to hold drifts since it doesn't unlock, but I am sure that there are some downsides as well (as it is with everything that has an up-side). Since, as you stated, I am a grip guy (for now) I cannot say specifically what those downsides might be though. I want to hit-up some drift events probably starting next year though, but I really don't think my vlsd will cut it for drifting.

[aaronlosey]

Or for people that understand a 2 way and a welded is basically the same shit on a race track, and realize that grand would make their car faster in turbo upgrades than a 2 way diff.

Then again, million dollar race cars use spools...but shit, they must be trying to save a buck.


on the track some people do like the feel of a less aggressive diff, i'm one of them. i've had 5+ welded diffs and 5+lsd's in my track cars over the years. i'm currently on a welded diff right now because i primarily drift and i like them better for drifting, but when road coursing you really can feel a difference. to maintain ultimate grip in a corner your tires need to travel at different speeds, or they are going to have to slip a bit to keep up with other, simple as that. if you can let your diff sort cornering differences out before the tires have to slip a bit to figure it out, make sense to me.

[racepar1]

Or for people that understand a 2 way and a welded is basically the same shit on a race track, and realize that grand would make their car faster in turbo upgrades than a 2 way diff.

Then again, million dollar race cars use spools...but shit, they must be trying to save a buck.

They are not even close to the same shit! A LSD has the capability to unlock allowing sharper off-throttle turn-in response. I would never reccomend a 2-way for track purposes anyways so I really don't know what you are arguing with me about.

[ericcastro]

I would personally rather listen to a clunk than my tires scrubbing and chirping everytime I turn. I am actually working on a car with a welded diff right now and I hate pulling it in and out of the shop or the storage yard! The god damn thing just doesn't want to turn! You are right that it makes it easier to hold drifts since it doesn't unlock, but I am sure that there are some downsides as well (as it is with everything that has an up-side). Since, as you stated, I am a grip guy (for now) I cannot say specifically what those downsides might be though. I want to hit-up some drift events probably starting next year though, but I really don't think my vlsd will cut it for drifting.


your right about the unlocking, and with a higher HP drift car. that is the upside. for us SOHC and DOHC guys, we need all the locking we can get.

i also think that turning, scrubbing shit comes from the setup too. I run 8" wide tires and barely notice it. Asphalt is also alot noisier than regualer cement.

werent ya gonna try and make one of our 626 event for grip?? thats why I remember your a grip guy. (and through remembering your other post). Come out to our drift event some time and play. And with your HP a VLSD works great.

i ran one on my SOHC for awhile, and loved it. just not enough lock for drift after you get better. but great for SCCA! chuck(90DGRZ) ran a VLSD for over a year and just switched to welded.

[thatdrifterguy]

then you shouldn't be fucking drifting cause you cant support buying at least 6 pairs of tires a month.


holy shit you guys spend a lot :eek:

but yeah, i think doing what the OP wants is gonna cost more than welding or getting a real LSD too

[racepar1]

I am definitely planning on coming oput to play in not too long, I just need to get my finances in order first. :ugh: My vlsd is pretty tired, but I'll still give it a shot.

your right about the unlocking, and with a higher HP drift car. that is the upside. for us SOHC and DOHC guys, we need all the locking we can get.

i also think that turning, scrubbing shit comes from the setup too. I run 8" wide tires and barely notice it. Asphalt is also alot noisier than regualer cement.

werent ya gonna try and make one of our 626 event for grip?? thats why I remember your a grip guy. (and through remembering your other post). Come out to our drift event some time and play. And with your HP a VLSD works great.

i ran one on my SOHC for awhile, and loved it. just not enough lock for drift after you get better. but great for SCCA! chuck(90DGRZ) ran a VLSD for over a year and just switched to welded.

[DOOK]

I've had ARBs in both my jeep and my Yota.... it's gonna cost you at least 800 for the locker, compressor and wiring/switch kit, not to mention if you have to make modifications. you can get a good 2 way for that and save yourself the hassle.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

I'm a drift guy who ever was asking

and ya people know what i mean with a welded differential there really annoying on the street. You can't make a U turn without making a lot of noise and if u drive in the rain u slide way too easy. I'm just trying to be practical and who ever sent me neg rep is immature. Just because I'm trying to have a decent daily driver I'm a bad person WTF? you make no sense

[sldbyuramg]

welded diff is far from the same thing on a track...
welded diffs are for drifting, anyone who runs a welded diff that does Time Attack is doing it because they are cheap...that is all.

Or for people that understand a 2 way and a welded is basically the same shit on a race track, and realize that grand would make their car faster in turbo upgrades than a 2 way diff.

Then again, million dollar race cars use spools...but shit, they must be trying to save a buck.

[Unchained Jimy]

Im gonna slap the next fuck that is worried about saving tires on a fucking drift car. Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!! If your worried about your "daily" tires wearing out about a month earlier than normal, then you shouldn't be fucking drifting cause you cant support buying at least 6 pairs of tires a month.

neg rep sent.

I have 19" wheels on my 240sx. It cost me 1250$ for 4 tires for about one summer... could be much more than 1250!!. I drift with my car too. So if I had an air-locker on my car, that would be the best of both worlds. I've driven a welded diff an a lsd and I love both. Call me an ass with my 19, but each one of you have a different car and a way to drive it. Be respectful upon your fellow drivers. :snoop:

[blueshark123]

idiot..... ^

[Frank_Jaeger]

idiot..... ^
Oh man, you tell him!

Coincidence that this was reborn. I'm going to get an Eaton E-locker if I can make it fit. S14DB has been helping me out.

[zerodameaon]

Oh man, you tell him!

Coincidence that this was reborn. I'm going to get an Eaton E-locker if I can make it fit. S14DB has been helping me out.

One time a useless necrobump might lead some useful info. Keep us updated Frank.

Also Jimy look at the date of a last post before you post useless info in the thread. Unless you have something to add of substance don't bump dead threads.

[Sleepy_Steve]

I am definitely planning on coming oput to play in not too long, I just need to get my finances in order first. :ugh: My vlsd is pretty tired, but I'll still give it a shot.

Just dump a welded open diff into the car instead of the VLSD if you're on a budget. At least for giving drifting a shot to see what it's all about it's not a bad option.

I ran a welded on my car for 2012 to try out drift events. I also kept doing HPDE events with the same setup and it was less than ideal. I could dive into high speed corners in the dry and just use throttle to make the car maintain an ok slip angle, but I can do that with the VLSD too, and not have to deal with the TERRIBLE low speed under steer. The welded was also pretty terrible if the track surface was ANYTHING other than warm and dry.

What the welded DID do well for me is force me to learn weight transfer. It forced me to not turn while scrubbing most of my speed, but also needed me to be on the brakes kind of hard when I cranked on the wheel to turn, otherwise NOTHING would happen. So that was very good from a driver development standpoint, teaching me to trail brake all the time, and combine my braking and turn-in into a single fluid event instead of the two distinctly separate events they had often been before.

[racepar1]

Just dump a welded open diff into the car instead of the VLSD if you're on a budget. At least for giving drifting a shot to see what it's all about it's not a bad option.

I ran a welded on my car for 2012 to try out drift events. I also kept doing HPDE events with the same setup and it was less than ideal. I could dive into high speed corners in the dry and just use throttle to make the car maintain an ok slip angle, but I can do that with the VLSD too, and not have to deal with the TERRIBLE low speed under steer. The welded was also pretty terrible if the track surface was ANYTHING other than warm and dry.

What the welded DID do well for me is force me to learn weight transfer. It forced me to not turn while scrubbing most of my speed, but also needed me to be on the brakes kind of hard when I cranked on the wheel to turn, otherwise NOTHING would happen. So that was very good from a driver development standpoint, teaching me to trail brake all the time, and combine my braking and turn-in into a single fluid event instead of the two distinctly separate events they had often been before.

Are you REALLY quoting one of my posts from 2008??? That was 5 years ago...

[zerodameaon]

Are you REALLY quoting one of my posts from 2008??? That was 5 years ago...

That was just last year right, because 1980 was only 20 years ago...

[Sleepy_Steve]

Are you REALLY quoting one of my posts from 2008??? That was 5 years ago...

Holly shit, I did. :duh:

Disregard, I guess I'm as bad as Jimmy.

[Wanabe]

I've had a vlsd, shimmed vlsd, tomei 2 way, and now a plate welded diff.
I dailied all of them. VLSD sucks shimmed or not, the 2 way was great, I loved it for everything, but changing the oil all the time was costly. I tired a welded, I kept the 2 way just in case. I can tell you that turn in was better with the 2 way, and daily driving was great, mountain driving was great. Once I put in the welded I never took it out, it's much more consistent.

Air locking sounds like a headache, less strength. I'm sure you could do it, but with that price tag you could buy 10 pairs of tires. Hardly worth the work. Just my .02

[drscooper]

so did anyone every get the airlock in their car?


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[Unchained Jimy]

Wy its so bad to discust on a post 5 years old? I'm in the rear wheel drive community since 2011. It is so bad to educate my self?? I was intersted in the idea of an air locker in a daily driver drift car. Sad to see that poeple don't want to help oders...

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[jr_ss]

Wy its so bad to discust on a post 5 years old? I'm in the rear wheel drive community since 2011. It is so bad to educate my self?? I was intersted in the idea of an air locker in a daily driver drift car. Sad to see that poeple don't want to help oders...

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No, it was stupid to bump a 5 year old thread with useless information. Not only did you bump it then, you did it 7 months later(today), again, with no useful information to add to said thread. If you want to educate yourself, do some research/reading on the internet about the item/s you're interested in, instead of babbling crap on this forum.

[xoxide]

I just read Racepar wanted to hit some drift events in 08... So what caused you to hate drifters so much since then? lol

[S14DB]

No, it was stupid to bump a 5 year old thread with useless information. Not only did you bump it then, you did it 7 months later(today), again, with no useful information to add to said thread. If you want to educate yourself, do some research/reading on the internet about the item/s you're interested in, instead of babbling crap on this forum.
:stupid:
You better have some revolutionary info to bump such an old thread.
:lockd: