Quick ratio manual steering racks. Who wants them?

[blu808]

Trying to gauge interest.

Would you zilvians be interested in quick ratio steering racks?

Benefits:
Fast correction
Reduced steering imput
deletion of entire power steering system 28 lbs savings.
no core charge
different travel rates (increased steering angle)
free up power (no ps belt)
one less thing to leak


Detriments:
hard to turn when stopped
would be twitchy for everyday driving (sens steering input)
cost?


So let me know if you guys would be interested.
Thanks.
Luke

[steve_o1989]

There was a group buy a while back to get a batch of these made up. If I remember correctly though, those ones would need a spacer made up because the rack was not as big in diameter as the original. I don't know if the group buy even went through.

It would be cool if someone stocked a manual steering rack for the S chassis.

[90hatchie]

i never seen any over 300 bucks....
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/2030,177_Small-Body-21-Steering-Quickener.html
reccomended by the guys at ziptied

[blu808]

Yea. We used one of these on the jasper supra.

Seemed to work well.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/7732,177_Stealth-Heavy-Duty-Steering-Quickener.html

[downshift_sideways]

Do you have a model / test car?

if you would let me drive it, I'll get one if I like the feeling.

(just DD drive is what I mean.)

[a_ahmed]

I wish I could try one of these steering quickeners..

I just bought a refurbished/new hicas rack from frsport........ i already have a hicas rack but its 20 years old haha.. so time for a change... but damn... i paid alot :-/


Never driven a car with steering quickener, although I'd like to get a feel for it....

[JohnD1079]

I would be interested. Doesnt the 300zx rack have quicker ratios?

[drift freaq]

I wish I could try one of these steering quickeners..

I just bought a refurbished/new hicas rack from frsport........ i already have a hicas rack but its 20 years old haha.. so time for a change... but damn... i paid alot :-/


Never driven a car with steering quickener, although I'd like to get a feel for it....

Make sure they sold you a real hicas rack and not a refurbed stock one. A lot of shops sell refurbed stock ones as Hicas because they cannot tell the difference. I know for a fact that Hicas racks are rare and most rebuilders have them on their books but when you order one its a stock rack. Look at your Hicas rack there will be different casting numbers vs the non hicas rack. If the refurb has the same casting numbers its a hicas otherwise its not.

On topic, Luke this is interesting but I am not sure how many people are going to want to spend the cash for the setup your thinking of doing.

[singlecamslam]

i would be interested in manual steering, loved it on my corolla and only cost be 220 brand new with inner tie rods.

[a_ahmed]

Well it was from fr sport... they have a good reputation no? I mean there is a 200$ difference between the hicas and non hicas refurb/new sale on their site.. so wtf... that would be a big blow to their customer service/quality if they were doing that... I can't verify for a long time as I still have to take apart my car... I'm just on project pause right now, 240 sitting/sleeping...

[GSXRJJordan]

Dave's absolutely right, the HICAS racks are rare as f*ck.

I run no P/s, and don't mind the parking effort and what not... I've got pretty big forearms lol. If we could get a good rack (fits correctly, strong, etc) with a quicker ratio, I wouldn't mind payin a couple hundred for it. I know the racks themselves are not that expensive...

Then again, P/s is nice, and cheaper. Just a pain in the ass/etc to get a non-working system together and working.

[GSXRJJordan]

Luke what's the deal with these? My steering rack is taking a dump, and I'm not sure I want it rebuilt if you're gonna come out with 'da new steering hotness'.

[blu808]

Working the numbers man. Looks like no one wants to eliminate a complete hydro system from their car.

i would jump at the chance for the weight savings, heat savings, engine bay space savings, and possibility of breakage.

The more shit you have the more shit there is to break.

I will let ya know.

Might just have to use a quick steer gearbox.

[slothonaleash]

I am DONE messing around with trying to get ps to work....

I would LOVE to see a completely manual rack go into production for cheap, cause pushing all that fluid around is not always easy for someone of my muscular abilities.

I'm also poor.

[tracks13]

I'd be interested in this as well. IF anything happens.

Also someone said hicas racks are rare but frsport sells rebuilt ones even though it is about 500.

[Ds14]

interested. ps is busted and i'd rather go manual anyway.

-deks

[singlecamslam]

My rack and pinion actually just took a dump on me, so i would love for this to happen.

[RurouniMidnight]

Yes id be down to my rack has been busted up and leaky for a while and i don't feel like getting a refurbed one right now and less stuff to deal with is always good.

[0100]

Any word on this? I would buy one if under $300.

[LongGrain]

sounds like a cool idea

i would definitely have to drive one first, ive driven my friends s13 without power steering, and my own when i had to remove my PS belt, i absolutely hated it, especially with a 330mm wheel. i couldnt even imagine drifting like that.

manual one should be better though

[alexander500]

I was jocking hard to get the group buy to go through, but it didn't happen. I really want/need one of these. I have been rocking a drained and pluged power rack for a while and have really learned to like it. It did not take long to get used to and it is not impossible to drift with manual steeing.

[WISH ONE]

id be down also. im sick of leaking ps fluid all over from busted lines.

[tt99ol]

i would like it for $300 or less
or even a little more if it adds alot of steering angle
like the powered by max spindle mod
I'm going to get that and thats $400
unless i can get the same angle and less weight for $300
it sounds like a good idea though, and throw in some solid rack bushings too
or just machine the rack to bolt right in without bushings at all

[JRas]

just sell refurbished HICAS racks

[sac]

HELL YA i would!!

But i want your ls14 turbo kit first.. :)

[Kuzumi]

i would purchase it in a hearbeat.

[hotlavaflow]

What's going on with this?

[GSXRJJordan]

Absolutely nothing. I think Luke gave up on it :/

[hotlavaflow]

Awww that sucks I need one of these.

[sillyvia13]

hicas rack ftw

[CmR333]

damn i was wanting one to

[crashtestracer]

so not to bring back a HORRIBLY old thread but I have been looking for just this for about a month now think that we could re open the poll and try to get it made? cause that would be amazing and definatly worth 500 or so not that i wouldnt prefer 300 but i will pay what i have to

[CmR333]

yeah same here

[blu808]

yea yea. Ok. I will start working on this tomorrow for you guys.

[CmR333]

woo hoo!! thanks

[GWB654]

i am down for this! i was trying to look for one about two years ago but didn't see much on it! if you are going to do it i am in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mikez97]

i want oneee!

[crashtestracer]

do you have any idea what you are going to price them? and are you considering making them with the built in solid bushings previously sugested?

[R33GTS-T]

i would be down for one as well, although i would prefer if it didn't have "built-in solid bushings"

i've driven cars on the street with solid steering rack bushings, not something i would like to use on a daily basis

[blu808]

Ok guys I got the green light. I need someone to donate an old rack that I can send out to the engineering department.

Also can you guys confirm that the mounting for the s chassis racks is all the same, z32 should also be the same.


Let me know

[Nismoknightska-t]

if its not a bitch to install and the price is right... im down

[GSXRJJordan]

Ok guys I got the green light. I need someone to donate an old rack that I can send out to the engineering department.

I'd give ya mine, but shipping's a biotch. Call in a few markers from the NorCal guys!

[blu808]

well were shipping it to ohio anyway.

[Kuzumi]

once this is a go i'm up for it.

[CmR333]

i would send you mine but uhh its far from a 240 rack lol

[ManoNegra]

I like the sound of it
but I'd like to try it out for at least a week
to see if it's something I'd want on a daily
yeah, unreasonable, I know.
an idea of what the price would be around?

[GSXRJJordan]

PM me the address and all that, I'll send them the rack out of my S13 (I'm not using it right now anyway) if I can get the first production one :) I might even write a sweet review too!

[blu808]

ok. they are all the same mounting right? same splines and threads too?

[GSXRJJordan]

I'll doublecheck, but I believe so. Got your PM, dope-sauce, I'll wait for the letter.

[hotlavaflow]

Glad to see this is making progress.

[GSXRJJordan]

ok. they are all the same mounting right? same splines and threads too?

Looks like they're the same unit. Z32 racks are also interchangable, and the Z32 racks have quicker ratio, but that's only because the locks were moved inward.

On with the S13/S14 manual racks! Let me know where to send this biotch.

[SoguRacing]

so when is this coming through? i'm quite interested.

[singlecamslam]

looks like i'll hold off at buying a reman rack.

[blu808]

Ohh yea. thats what I was suppose to be doing yesterday.

[GSXRJJordan]

Haha - I still havent pulled my S13 rack 'cause I haven't heard from ya. Shoot me a PM or an email (my sn @ gmail) with the infooozzzzz.

[punkrico]

id buy one for sure r u makin them yet

[CmR333]

LA LA LA any progress.?

[xs240]

i would be down for one as well, although i would prefer if it didn't have "built-in solid bushings"

i've driven cars on the street with solid steering rack bushings, not something i would like to use on a daily basis

wtf are you talking about? I run aluminum bushings on my rack and the steering column aluminum bushing too. No noise/harshness difference except that now it's SOLID and no slack. I run a 330mm steering wheel + reman HICAS rack 7.0 caster, power steering. Feels great, but could be better... hence my interest in this :)

So what's actually happening with this?

[GSXRJJordan]

Luke's got a lot going down with his shop at the moment - I'm waiting for him to get in touch with me about sending my rack in for engineering purposes. As soon as they have the measurements/etc they need, he'll get rolling on taking orders and makin' racks.

[BoroDrifter]

I need a new rack anyways. Count me in.

[GWB654]

is there an ETA of when this will be ready for sale??

[hotlavaflow]

I'm hoping soon. It looks like progress has slowed. Any new news guys?

[xs240]

Any news on this?

[hotlavaflow]

C'mon guys my brother was helping my gring down the A/C compressor bracket today and accidently cut the through the PS line. Needless-to-say I need this asap. I'm not fixing or switching anything. I'm straight going in with the mani rack so lets get this on the move serious.

[GSXRJJordan]

C'mon guys my brother was helping my gring down the A/C compressor bracket today and accidently cut the through the PS line. Needless-to-say I need this asap. I'm not fixing or switching anything. I'm straight going in with the mani rack so lets get this on the move serious.

No news from Luke on this, I know he's getting his new shop together. I sucked it up and put a power steering system together for last week's track day.

If you want to replace that p/s line with a SS one, PM me I'll hook you up.

[crashtestracer]

any word on this? I know that he is still putting his shop in order but is there any eta on the start date for this?

[blu808]

Jeff. I thought you were going to send a rack out for r&d?

[hotlavaflow]

Quick question:
Does a manual rack feel exactly like a power steering rack with no fluid (busted line)???

Just curious cause my arms are getting a workout with a busted power steering system and a welded diff.

[GSXRJJordan]

Jeff. I thought you were going to send a rack out for r&d?

No, you told me the site I think but then said you'd shoot me over a "letter" or something to ship to them with a rack :/

Quick question:
Does a manual rack feel exactly like a power steering rack with no fluid (busted line)???

Nope, it's been discussed - it's much easier to drive a true manual rack than a non-working-P/S rack. "De-powering" your power rack (removing all seals and fluids) will hurt the rack, but make it much easier to drive at low speed.

[hotlavaflow]

^^^Thanks for the quick response.

[blu808]

well do you still have the rack? I can send you the "letter" on monday.

Luke

[onepuff]

Is the R&D being done in Ohio? If so i could donate my rack as my car is down for some winter work. I'm in Cleveland. PM me or reply here.

[hotlavaflow]

We have donor racks wasting whats going on?

[xs240]

So what's going on? I am still interested in this!

[blu808]

Tomorrow I am contacting the company again. I Sent them an email but haven't heard back.

[NightfireFC3S]

I'm in. Keep us updated :hyper:

[DriftDamage]

I am VERY interested in this! I just replaced my bad rack last year and this REFURB rack is already leaking from the core!

My RX7 didnt have PS and had the manual rack, I loved it. Steering wasnt that bad and best of all no hoses, leaks, belts, weight. I would love to do that on the S13.

[240racr]

What up with this? I am very interested since my rack & PS pump are going out.

[blu808]

i sent the cad drawing to the company. I am waiting to hear back. if any of you can vote. now is the time


the company is taking this serious and looking at the numbers.

Luke

[hotlavaflow]

Cool glad to see an update.

[Somnambulist]

What company in Ohio?

I definitely want one.

[SaintlyCharBoy]

I'm in pending a sub $300 tag

[xs240]

Vote yes people

[singlecamslam]

Yes, i still didnt fix my power steering damn it.

[zorak]

i remember this thread, mine just started leaking today, rushed in today and voted.

[240racr]

I dont understand people that vote "I would rather have power steering. " or "No. why bother? " :(

This is exactly what I have been wanting ever since I bought my car!

[zorak]

I dont understand people that vote "I would rather have power steering. " or "No. why bother? " :(

This is exactly what I have been wanting ever since I bought my car!

its because they fear what they do not understand. :ghey:

[Somnambulist]

I'm ready to buy one for my S14. Subscribed.

[240racr]

So is there an ETA for when this might be moving forward? :2f2f:

[GWB654]

i am still in i also have been wanting this my build and my motor is out still so it would be nice to get it in before the motor. hope to be buying one soon!!!!!!

[240racr]

Not trying to be a pest...but is there any word? I really need a rack. I would love to get one of these, but if this is not going anywhere I need to know. I can't keep driving my car with the steering rack messed up.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

[Bigsyke]

This isnt to bash anyones idea's, but if you truely de-power a rack, your not removing all seals, and I wouldnt say its bad for the rack. The only wear on the rack itself is the gear, and the gear coupler which connects the gear to the spline.

If you remove the center oil seal on the pinion shaft, you still have 2 others. There is still little to no drag on the shaft because of the remaining seals, and since the center seal/ring is gone there is no pressure in the rack.

Once the rack is depowered and packed with grease, you now have a direct connection to the wheels, there is nothing physically more you can do for more assited power. The only way to lighten the load, and make it easier to turn after you depowered the rack is to make a longer gear ratio [or big fucking steering wheel]. A quicker gear ratio could snap the coupler. So why not just depower the rack? no $300 part is going to make it easier to turn via manual steering.

[DriftDamage]

This isnt to bash anyones idea's, but if you truely de-power a rack, your not removing all seals, and I wouldnt say its bad for the rack. The only wear on the rack itself is the gear, and the gear coupler which connects the gear to the spline.

If you remove the center oil seal on the pinion shaft, you still have 2 others. There is still little to no drag on the shaft because of the remaining seals, and since the center seal/ring is gone there is no pressure in the rack.

Once the rack is depowered and packed with grease, you now have a direct connection to the wheels, there is nothing physically more you can do for more assited power. The only way to lighten the load, and make it easier to turn after you depowered the rack is to make a longer gear ratio [or big fucking steering wheel]. A quicker gear ratio could snap the coupler. So why not just depower the rack? no $300 part is going to make it easier to turn via manual steering.

I demand a write up!! :smash:

I have been waiting for a manual rack but no dice. I am going through a quart of fluid a month and its not even a year old! Damn place I bought it from went out of business... i wonder why now.... :doh:

Ima have to settle for another rack or do this thing of which you speak of...

[Rogue240sx]

Any progress on this? I've been fighting my PS pump since day one with this car. Steering has a really inconsistent feel especially when cold. In short I need a manual rack. Also what's the plan for the water pump belt for when the PS pump gets removed?

[Banegraphix]

Yea im lookin to ditch my PS as well and really would like to give this a shot

[NightfireFC3S]

Bump.

Bumpity.

[Otto347]

Look here

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/215942-last-depowered-rack.html

[Somnambulist]

Want. Progress. Report.

Pwease?

[ZenkiCam]

guys, i am going to do a manual steering rack conversion, no i am not into silly drifting, so spare me. i will definitely try to get a comprehensive write up going!

[TurboSE]

Any info yet, or is this still a Unicorn?

[hotlavaflow]

I vote unicorm but I'm still hoping there'll be some gold at the end of this rainbow

[murda-c]

someone get a quick ratio power steering rack built for meh.

[AlexTheGreat00]

I'd definately buy one. My rack is leaky and my boots are both torn :)

[Rogue240sx]

We demand answers :x:

[xs240]

i think this is totally dead.

Why dont u guys get a steering quickener, wouldnt that essentially be the exact same thing. Please answer. Never understood steering quickeners...

[Rogue240sx]

That doesn't solve the problem of getting rid of the power steering.
The reason this says quick ratio is because manual rack usually have a slower ratio than the powered racks to decrease steering effort. I'd rather have the same lock to lock as my power steering rack without all the power shit clogging my under hood area.

i think this is totally dead.

Why dont u guys get a steering quickener, wouldnt that essentially be the exact same thing. Please answer. Never understood steering quickeners...

[Bigsyke]

ive already made a writeup. Im still perfectly happy with this setup to this day.

Again, simple physics, a custom rack would only entale longer ratio gearing. Depower the rack with some bad ass grease and call it a day. I even took the extra steps to put some stainless allen bolts to plug the holes.

[the a3k]

bringing this back from the dead lol

[Matej]

Still would buy one. :)

[the a3k]

i want one too!!!!!!!!!!!!!