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Future240
05-27-2008, 07:13 PM
aight, I have been datin this girl for soon to be a year. Its gone be the first time either of us have been with someone that long. I am her first boyfriend. She of course wants to do anniversary. I am clueless bout this. I figured that was a married people's thing. So throw me whatever you can think of. some simple info that might help, ummmm,

she is relighous, void
we are celibate:( and she is a virgin, so all sex based things are automatically void
she is simple and easy to please
my price limit, umm round the $250 mark
the anniversary is july 5

anythin else ask and i will edit and throw it back in.

ThatGuy
05-27-2008, 07:15 PM
Did you do anything special on you first date? Go any place in particular?

If so, try to replicate that on a larger scale.

It shows you remember and care.

240drifter1
05-27-2008, 07:16 PM
250 bux, dayum.

Just seems like alot imo, for someone whom your not even engaged with.

If you really 'love' her, save and buy an engagment ring. lol

punxva
05-27-2008, 07:17 PM
take her out for something you guy's have never done before, start with a nice dinner, or lunch, then tell her you've thought of a perfect day, and come up with just a nice day, of things you'll know you both will enjoy. Dont do what i did and end up swapping motors on it. Good way to have a girl drop you with the quickness

Agamemnon
05-27-2008, 07:19 PM
Simple. A nice dinner and just be romantic. Ladies love it when guys go the extra mile for romance. It shows them that they are something special and are worth the effort. Try a picnic for lunch. Pack up some of her favorite foods and desserts, fold up a big soft planket to lay on and find a scenic quiet area. She'll melt in your hands.

Pank
05-27-2008, 07:21 PM
maybe you guys can cuddle up and take some english courses together.

but seriously, a nice dinner is all you need

ESmorz
05-27-2008, 07:23 PM
250 dollars and you're not gonna get any? That's steep.

Romantic home cooked meal, maybe a walk around the park, and cuddle it up to some stupid chick flick. That's like 30 bucks tops.

azndoc
05-27-2008, 07:24 PM
A necklace with diamonds in a cross.

Other than that I'm clueless.

I'm horrible at buying gifts.

Or you could just give her the $250 cash.

Done and done.

status:one
05-27-2008, 07:26 PM
Get her something from Tiffany's. A bracelet or necklace (usually around $195)... and give it to her at dinner. done.

Mi Beardo es Loco
05-27-2008, 07:26 PM
take the advice of some of the more "veteran" people. Probably take her out to dinner. If she is not wanting to have sex before marriage then I would seriously think twice about even being with this girl. Girls who are willing to wait that long probably won't like sex and are you seriously going to go without it except on anniversaries MAYBE? Sex is only a part of a normal relationship and before marriage both parties need to be comfortable with EVERYTHING about the other person. IF I were you, I'd make my move on the anniversary and if she thinks it's gross or flat out says NO then I would second guess the relationship. You may look like an asshole but better now then cheating on her after 10 years of marriage and 2 kids.

an_orange_s2k
05-27-2008, 07:31 PM
Romantic home cooked meal, maybe a walk around the park, and cuddle it up to some stupid chick flick. That's like 30 bucks tops.
yepp, home cooked meal is always a win. maybe take her out earlier and just tell her to come over in an hour or so. have everything prepared the night before though.

S13_Nightkid
05-27-2008, 07:31 PM
250$ on a chick thats not putting out? More power to ya my dude.

MikeisNissan
05-27-2008, 07:33 PM
250.00? I say go buy your car something nice..

yokotas13
05-27-2008, 07:35 PM
250$ on a chick thats not putting out? More power to ya my dude.
i agree

if after a year my girl wasnt puttign out, id be pissed


and i would NEVER marry someone that i havent had sex with

i dont care what anyone says, sex is a big part of a marriage. makes everyone happier

spoolandslide
05-27-2008, 07:43 PM
you and your girlfriend of one year have never had sex before?

well then

go out somewhere extremely nice
take out a loan and get a little engagement stone

place one knee on the ground and smile before you look up at her with an opening ring box and handsomely udder
"will you marry me?"

she will be begging for your balls in no time

yokotas13
05-27-2008, 07:45 PM
bro

she already has his balls.

status:one
05-27-2008, 07:59 PM
250.00? I say go buy your car something nice..

We all have our girl/car budgets... but I think $250 is a pretty reasonable amount of money to spend on someone who you have invested a year of your time with... especially if you haven't ever been intimate with them. Props to the OP. You don't need to do something too extravagant since you aren't married... but remember that they always take this kind of shit seriously.

RiversideS13
05-27-2008, 08:30 PM
just find a nice restaurant to celebrate and give her something decent (such as jewelery, flowers..etc)

maybe you should rent some chick flicks movies and learn from it.

status:one
05-27-2008, 08:34 PM
just find a nice restaurant to celebrate and give her something decent (such as jewelery, flowers..etc)

maybe you should rent some chick flicks movies and learn from it.

No he did the right thing... otherwise he would do something too cliche... and get stuck watching a chick flick by himself. Wouldn't want my roomates walking into the apartment with 'Pretty Woman' on tv.

eastcoastS14
05-27-2008, 08:56 PM
like everyone else said nice dinner, figure you really wont spend more than $100 for a real nice place since your only 20 so wont be ordering drinks...its my girls birthday this thursday and got her a sweatshirt, shoes, a book and a light she wanted and taking her out to dinner. Just all different stuff I know she'll like...anniversaries should be something romantic, something like roses and maybe jewelry...
http://www.tiffany.com/Shopping/CategoryBrowse.aspx?mcat=148204&cid=287458&search_params=s+5-p+1-c+287458-r+101323338-x+-n+12-ri+-ni+1-t+#p+1-n+12-cg+viewPaged-c+287458-s+5-r+101323338+101424819-t+-ri+-ni+1-x+-pu+-f+

^^ somethin from there and a nice dinner and you are set....when you hit a few more years, youll realize that 1 year was just the start

downshift_sideways
05-27-2008, 09:02 PM
Well...This is something WE CANNOT help you with.

Your going to need to get creative.

Think about the things that she likes, or places she enjoys to be at. Or just the random things that makes her happy.

As you said, she's an easy person to please..Don't sweat yourself so much.

$250 = Place to go. Dinner. Maybe gifts.

*Women love scents...Woman Love Jewlery...Woman love the smallest/ Random things but mean the world to them...*

rps13 SR
05-27-2008, 09:15 PM
I'd say give her something she never had.... like your PENIS IN HER.. MAN ITS LIKE THIS IF YOU DONT DO HER SOME ELSE WITH BIGGER BALLS AND LESS RESPECT WILL. I mean i do it all the time. Meet this girl and be friends and she a virgin and has a bf. But its because you aint agressive enough... So then i got her alone and made her all wet and even though she saying no she still a virgin.. she wanted it bad but too shy to admit.. so i just play with her a little and im on top of her.... and she lets me be on top of her while we both naked... at that point thats shits gotta go in... how can it not.. at least use the head and run the shit out if her clit and she wont be able to stop you cause now she wants it badddddd

ESmorz
05-27-2008, 09:21 PM
bro

she already has his balls.

Ouch. Quote of the day lol :fruit:

downshift_sideways
05-27-2008, 09:26 PM
I'd say give her something she never had.... like your PENIS IN HER.. MAN ITS LIKE THIS IF YOU DONT DO HER SOME ELSE WITH BIGGER BALLS AND LESS RESPECT WILL. I mean i do it all the time. Meet this girl and be friends and she a virgin and has a bf. But its because you aint agressive enough... So then i got her alone and made her all wet and even though she saying no she still a virgin.. she wanted it bad but too shy to admit.. so i just play with her a little and im on top of her.... and she lets me be on top of her while we both naked... at that point thats shits gotta go in... how can it not.. at least use the head and run the shit out if her clit and she wont be able to stop you cause now she wants it badddddd

Thanks for your opinion...but unfortunately that advice is most likely what he doesn't want. Thanks for being a fucking dick..and enjoy the red side.:bash:

MikeisNissan
05-27-2008, 09:27 PM
Sorry mesagelength

MikeisNissan
05-27-2008, 09:27 PM
bro

she already has his balls.
Ouch. Quote of the day lol :fruit:

Coldd Bloooded!

rps13 SR
05-27-2008, 09:33 PM
Thanks for your opinion...but unfortunately that advice is most likely what he doesn't want. Thanks for being a fucking dick..and enjoy the red side.:bash:

umm advice that you want wouldnt be advice.. if he dont want it then he and you are in denial... and what you mean the red side that dont make sense.. I dont believe in god or stuff like that.. im not that easily brain washed. im not being a dick. im just having fun but at the same time saying my opinion of things

an_orange_s2k
05-27-2008, 09:34 PM
I'd say give her something she never had.... like your PENIS IN HER.. MAN ITS LIKE THIS IF YOU DONT DO HER SOME ELSE WITH BIGGER BALLS AND LESS RESPECT WILL. I mean i do it all the time. Meet this girl and be friends and she a virgin and has a bf. But its because you aint agressive enough... So then i got her alone and made her all wet and even though she saying no she still a virgin.. she wanted it bad but too shy to admit.. so i just play with her a little and im on top of her.... and she lets me be on top of her while we both naked... at that point thats shits gotta go in... how can it not.. at least use the head and run the shit out if her clit and she wont be able to stop you cause now she wants it badddddd

someone watches too much porn..

rps13 SR
05-27-2008, 09:39 PM
someone watches too much porn..

haha i just watch porn like a regular guy.. just that i've been on the otherside too many times and see people on this side to many times.

I dont want to be that guy you know..

Its like this booty call i had.. i was at her house all the time and doing her all the time.. but it was just sex... thats all

so then she meets this guy and he likes her.. but he dont know im doing her and thinks im just a friend. so one day he knows that i seem to be close with her like a brother or something and ask me what she likes and all this shit trying to get with her. So i tell him a few things, and he gets with her but she dont give him any. They just go on dates and such.. but she comes home to call me to come over.. now which guy you wanna be?

status:one
05-27-2008, 09:49 PM
haha i just watch porn like a regular guy.. just that i've been on the otherside too many times and see people on this side to many times.

I dont want to be that guy you know..

Its like this booty call i had.. i was at her house all the time and doing her all the time.. but it was just sex... thats all

so then she meets this guy and he likes her.. but he dont know im doing her and thinks im just a friend. so one day he knows that i seem to be close with her like a brother or something and ask me what she likes and all this shit trying to get with her. So i tell him a few things, and he gets with her but she dont give him any. They just go on dates and such.. but she comes home to call me to come over.. now which guy you wanna be?

This one time... at band camp. :blah::blah:

LongGrain
05-27-2008, 09:52 PM
take the advice of some of the more "veteran" people. Probably take her out to dinner. If she is not wanting to have sex before marriage then I would seriously think twice about even being with this girl. Girls who are willing to wait that long probably won't like sex and are you seriously going to go without it except on anniversaries MAYBE? Sex is only a part of a normal relationship and before marriage both parties need to be comfortable with EVERYTHING about the other person. IF I were you, I'd make my move on the anniversary and if she thinks it's gross or flat out says NO then I would second guess the relationship. You may look like an asshole but better now then cheating on her after 10 years of marriage and 2 kids.

as much as i hate to say it, i agree with this. waiting until marriage for sex is somewhat a bad idea.

umm advice that you want wouldnt be advice.. if he dont want it then he and you are in denial... and what you mean the red side that dont make sense.. I dont believe in god or stuff like that.. im not that easily brain washed. im not being a dick. im just having fun but at the same time saying my opinion of things

"the red side" is referring to your reputation being full of red squares...

rps13drift
05-27-2008, 09:54 PM
This one time... at band camp. :blah::blah:

HAHA! +1
msssglnth

OneForMe
05-27-2008, 09:55 PM
wait wait


your her first boyfriend and shes a virgin?

and you have a silvia?


by the way does she happen to be around 15-16?

wears extremely tight pants

has hellokitty shirts?


IS SHE 16? WTF BRO

MikeisNissan
05-27-2008, 09:57 PM
^ I just noticed that he is her first b/f! Weird.. Regardless, I hope you get married and have beautiful babies.

rps13 SR
05-27-2008, 10:50 PM
as much as i hate to say it, i agree with this. waiting until marriage for sex is somewhat a bad idea.



"the red side" is referring to your reputation being full of red squares...

ohh ok.. i dont really care much for the "red bricks"

I've been on zilvia for years and never had use of rep power or what not.

But anyway this is all my opinion. If you dont like it i cant do anything about it.

But for me i would love insite on stuff like this in any shape or form. Just gives me some things to think about. So i will be less likely to make mistakes.

Btw i would love it for more people to reply to what i say.

touge monster
05-27-2008, 10:57 PM
[quote=future240;2067482]she is simple and easy to please
my price limit, umm round the $250 mark
quote]

If she's simple and easy to please, I doubt you're gona spend $250 on her (Unless you buy her a really nice gift)

Be creative. Don't try too hard. Handmade/Homecooked stuff is always a plus

180sExy
05-27-2008, 11:16 PM
all i can say on this thread is wow! yoour age says 20 an your asking this kinda question.... you sure she's not your first gf. anyways like everyone is say just go simple but sweet! dont go spending 200+ on this girl unless she becomes your wifey!!

Mi Beardo es Loco
05-27-2008, 11:24 PM
all i can say on this thread is wow! yoour age says 20 an your asking this kinda question.... you sure she's not your first gf. anyways like everyone is say just go simple but sweet! dont go spending 200+ on this girl unless she becomes your wifey!!
exactly. a 20yr old shouldn't have a gf for a year anyways. Honestly, when I was 20 I was still doing stupid shit. Plus, a gf costs money that most 20 yr olds don't have. When I was 20 I was chasing the poon. Any responsible adult would tell you not to get serious until at least 28. build a career first.

180sExy
05-27-2008, 11:30 PM
chasing the poon.
Hell yeah!! you'll be receiving some posi on that one sir!!!! :bigok::bigok: :bigok:

BustedS13
05-27-2008, 11:32 PM
250 is more than enough to buy some "nice" jewelry. buy something classy and classic, not something with the company's name on it or some bullshit like that. tiffany dogtag shit is for skanks.

buy her something silver and nice for like 150 or so, get your names engraved on it somewhere inconspicuous, so if/when you guys break up, it's still a nice thing for her to have. when she sees it, she'll shit bricks. spend the rest on dinner, and you'll be rad. and maybe you'll get your dick wet, but in that nice "hey you're cool" way, not in the "wow i'm drunk" way.

Future240
05-27-2008, 11:37 PM
wait wait


your her first boyfriend and shes a virgin?

and you have a silvia?


by the way does she happen to be around 15-16?

wears extremely tight pants

has hellokitty shirts?


IS SHE 16? WTF BRO

actually she is three weeks older than me

all i can say on this thread is wow! yoour age says 20 an your asking this kinda question.... you sure she's not your first gf. anyways like everyone is say just go simple but sweet! dont go spending 200+ on this girl unless she becomes your wifey!!

Yea she is not, by far not, however she is the first one that has been this serious. i am a person who has a bigger and badder complex. I make things way more complicated than they have to be in order to outdo myself. I started this thread to get some opinons and ideas on what to do, because i knew it would talk some sense into myself. Normally this type of shit is cake, v-day was easy as hell. but since this has an aniversary label on it then my complex is raging. That and hearing ideas from others usually gives makes somethin great pop up into my head. Kind of a inspiration thing. And I thank everyone for their advice, but as far as the sex goes, i used to say the same think, cept in my sexual relationships shit always turned sour. this girl has had me coming back for almost a year and i havent had sex with her. this is why i put myself through this celibacy hell. if shit between us turned sour, then i would juss find me another female that is sexually active.

180sExy
05-27-2008, 11:37 PM
hes asking for help an he has'nt gotten any, imagen when he get some. He's gonna have her butt ass naked on the bed with the comp next too him posting a "what do i do now thread?"

gabe30
05-27-2008, 11:46 PM
250? she would really love new tie rods

reanimate your first dates or something

MikeisNissan
05-27-2008, 11:46 PM
hes asking for help an he has'nt gotten any, imagen when he get some. He's gonna have her butt ass naked on the bed with the comp next too him posting a "what do i do now thread?"

ouch! COLDD BLOOODED!

Future240
05-27-2008, 11:48 PM
hes asking for help an he has'nt gotten any, imagen when he get some. He's gonna have her butt ass naked on the bed with the comp next too him posting a "what do i do now thread?"

hahaha. funny but no. this relationship is a huge diff from my normal activites. i'm kind of a reformed whore.

Akiros
05-28-2008, 12:05 AM
The world doesn't stop when you have sex, and until you realize that, your brain is just clouded with obscure fantasies about what sex is like, and it takes a LOT more than just sex to make a relationship work (which is why some people are like that, abstinate, get married to someone that they like,maybe sorta love, have sex, woohoo sex, and then ultimately end in divorce). Personally, I don't think I could date a girl if her excuse for no sex until marriage is solely for religious reasons, but maybe if she had an answer with more depth other than "the bible says so". But hey, let's not turn this into a religious debate.

P.S. on a serious note, is she up for anal/oral/69?
P.S.2. I'm way tired, so none of this might be coherent.

BOROSUN
05-28-2008, 02:48 AM
if gets too tense just loosen it up with some dancin and MJ on the background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hK3Y1Ehv9c


next thing you know you gonna be like WOOOOOOH...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_hz2am90Hk

damn these vids wont play.

Future240
05-28-2008, 08:30 AM
The world doesn't stop when you have sex, and until you realize that, your brain is just clouded with obscure fantasies about what sex is like, and it takes a LOT more than just sex to make a relationship work (which is why some people are like that, abstinate, get married to someone that they like,maybe sorta love, have sex, woohoo sex, and then ultimately end in divorce). Personally, I don't think I could date a girl if her excuse for no sex until marriage is solely for religious reasons, but maybe if she had an answer with more depth other than "the bible says so". But hey, let's not turn this into a religious debate.

P.S. on a serious note, is she up for anal/oral/69?
P.S.2. I'm way tired, so none of this might be coherent.
no to both of those, and hell no on anal for me. I did that shit once not too big a fan.

yea she has a better reason than that, she says that she feels the poon belongs to her husband, and she would like to be able to give her husband the satisfaction of knowing he was the only who who tapped it. plus add the religious. i can respect that, i'm religious myself, juss not so much in that area. it's weird though, i've met a shit ton of girls like that while in college. i didnt know they existed.

This thread is doing its job well. I never expected anyone to juss tell me what to do. That is stupid and only a lame would think that. I started cuz i knew the mass amounts of opinions would give my the inspiration it need to get off its ass, and started plannin this thing out. and right now i have two things imma do. one more and i will be ready.

stiizy
05-28-2008, 10:39 AM
Seriously i think you should go to a jewelry store in the mall (Zales,Kay) they always have nice shit on sale for like 79-120 bills..Dinner somewhere nice (not applebees or tgif!!) and then just chill out and talk over a coffee at a cafe or a chill spot or go to a place with a scenic view and just talk it up..

sorry bout the no sex thing.. but much respect goes to you for not trying to push it..

TOMKAIRA93
05-28-2008, 11:57 AM
Bro, honestly...whatever you do...DO NOT buy her expensive stuff. If she's not use to it and you start buying her nice expensive things, she will expect that from you ever after. If you end up marrying her, this will haunt you for the rest of your days. So yeah, take heet and just take her to a restaurant you've never been before, maybe a Japanese restaurant where they cook in front of you, it should be fun and different if you or she never been to one. Again, DO NOT spend that much cash in one single item, you will regret it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

status:one
05-28-2008, 12:15 PM
DO NOT buy her expensive stuff. If she's not use to it and you start buying her nice expensive things, she will expect that from you ever after.

I learned this the hard way.

stiizy
05-28-2008, 12:16 PM
^^ unfortunately me too

240love^_^
05-28-2008, 12:58 PM
I say you should just take her out to a decent restaurant. Maybe one that you've been to before and she really liked. If a restaurant doesn't come to mind, just make her a nice home cooked meal. Then after dinner take her to go get ice cream/coffee/ or something of the sort and find a nice place with a scenic view. I don't think there is a need for expensive stuff yet.

Hope all works out!

S13_Nightkid
05-28-2008, 07:12 PM
good advice.? Well still more power to ya. My gf was like that but she broke little "wait till i get married" pact. F thattt and if you guys think that just cause your chick is puttin out you should spend more is ridiculous. I still cheap out and go to fast food restaurants...occasionally i spend alot.ON her that is

P.S. go for the gold mann or watch porn shit i dont know. keep yourself busy or just chase poon.

SinisterSntra91
05-28-2008, 07:35 PM
Dude you have been dating her for a year and you have no idea what to do? Have you hung out with her anytime during the year? She has probably dropped a million hints on what she likes, pick the hints up!

P.S. she probably wants some cock lol

origin_s135
05-28-2008, 10:31 PM
I learned this the hard way.
jesus christ, i'm not alone. biggest mistake ever, and thank god i'm single now.

Akiros
05-28-2008, 11:49 PM
My good friend was sort of a 'reformed whore' kinda thing. He dated this girl, cool as shit, and she didnt want to have sex until marriage. He dated her for 2 years, no sex, although he said they got "damn close" but now, they are happily married with two kids. So, ya know, whatever. I like sex though.

Maxstyle
05-29-2008, 12:01 AM
3 Main keys you need to give a girl a gift.

1- Something she can unwrap. (not a dick in a box- youtube it)
2- Something sentimental
3- Something she can use to shop.

IE
1- An artical of clothing she wont have to return. Comfy pajama pants and hoodie combo always a good thing. Plus girls asses look great in them. $100

2- A "HALLMARK" card. You better write more than 5 sentences and ask for the little gold sticker (not given at walgreens) $5

3- $150 gift card in the envelope in case the bs you wrote isn't good enough and she will over look it.

Might even get you some. You never know.

PS- dinner is aways a seperate budget.

Akiros
05-29-2008, 12:08 AM
hahahaha. NEW THEORY:

1. cut a hole in a box
2. put your junk in that box
3. have her open the box

/thread.

Maxstyle
05-29-2008, 12:16 AM
At the end of the day, That sound better ^

CrashQueen
05-29-2008, 03:37 AM
all of this shit was really interesting to read. now how about an actual girl's advice on the subject at hand?


first off: do NOT buy your chick jewelry. You've only been with her for a year, she hasn't put out, she's not worth that yet. Not to say that she's probably not a great catch but shit, the truth is, you give a girl something that nice she's going to expect bigger and better things so long as your relationship progresses.

you said she's easy to please anyway, and i'm the same way, therefore flashy shit like jewelry is nice of course, but we can do without it and for a first year wouldn't expect it.

we do however take anniversaries seriously...why? well because we're girls obviously.

and as most of you guys know, we're sappy stupid emotional wrecks at times and anniversaries and shit that mark a one year, 5 year, however the fuck long you've been together year, is simply special for her or any girl since it acknowledges lots of things: time, progession, love, effort, trial & errors, growth, etc.

therefore, the thought of anniversary may want to make you shit bricks because it's like marriage...and hey, no doubt about it the longer you stay with the same girl she'll eventually take it as a closer sign to marriage. But hell, that's what commitment is about anyway even if you aren't married and i don't know about you buddy but lasting a whole year without doing the dirty with her, is a great deal of commitment right there. She's gotta mean something for you to deal with a case of blue balls.......and that's my point really, anniversaries mark a special time if not for you, for her. you put up with her shit and she put with yours; willingly.




dinner? roses? CLICHE!

nice, but i mean please get creative. Some of you guys get the jest of it, we DO like creativity, we DO like hand/home made things. If she's simple, she'll appreciate creativity and something from the "heart"

for example, my idea of a nice first year anniversary would be a bike ride down to the beach, grabbing a small lunch there or i know of this place in belmont shores,ca called the Cupcakery where they make speciality cupcakes of course, and he can just buy us one of those, eat it together at the beach, spend some time there till sunset, ride on back home, him cooking me something even if it's simple or tastes like shit, i'd appreciate his efforts. and then we can have good hot dirty wild sex.

opps. well at least for you, you won't be getting the last part. :doh:

anyway, point is,

throw anything together half assed like dinner and roses and some gay movie, and you'll just turn out be the guy that most girls don't really want and that's.........typical.

ha ha ha.



hope this helps.

SochBAT
05-29-2008, 04:00 AM
LOL.

This is zilvia.

We RARELY even buy things for ourselves, let alone some WOMAN???

Why do you think we're all car enthusiasts?

Car's don't complain!

CrashQueen
05-29-2008, 04:16 AM
hahaha

have you read the thread about the guy who has sex with cars? (you should)

everyone in here is a car enthusiast, but i'm sure all of you either are dating pussy or fucking pussy.


point is, if you don't want to even attempt to think like a woman and what she wants....

you might as well fuck your car.


Lol.




LOL.

This is zilvia.

We RARELY even buy things for ourselves, let alone some WOMAN???

Why do you think we're all car enthusiasts?

Car's don't complain!