240sx vs 300zx (Z32)

[f1nch]

I have always loved the 240sx and Nissans in particular. I know this is a 240majority board but I cant help but think the 300zx is superior.

It being nissans flagship sports car is inescapeable.

Its like owning a Camaro and somebody pulls up in a Corvette.

Money aside because parts are generally more expensive for the Z which would you guys choose?

The fact that the Z is twin turbo and restoring a car that is already fast can cause less headaches in the long run then one that isnt fast/Turbo to start with.

Opinions please.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

sounds like youve already made up your mind

[noname7198]

I've had 3 of each. 240's are cheaper and much easier to work on. I wouldn't count on a Z for a daily ever again. All 3 of mine left me stranded at some point.

[shmiddy]

dude i own both. i have a s13 and a 1990 300zx (n/a) and i love 'em both. if your asking me to pick between em, i couldnt. ..... well ill probly get ride of the z if gas keeps going up.... regardless to both awsome cars and fun to drive

[leonphelpss11]

Too much of a pain in the ass to work on. I think they put the engine on a stand and assembled the body around it. It's all cool looking and shit, but wait till a turbo goes out which is around 75k miles. Impossible to get to it

[Future240]

240 ftw, I can appreciate 300zx's for being nissan sports cars, but IMO they are kinda fugly. Not like fat hairy girl fugly, but like horse face with a hot bod kina fugly

[chituntang]

I am not really familiar with Camaro and Corvette but this is totally different from 240sx to 300zx. The 240sx is a slow car without any kind of major modification. 300zx on the other hand can be a 300hp from the factory if it is a turbo. I do not see they can compare to each other, even when the Z32 is a NA.

I also would say Skyline is the flagship sports car at the time, only the America did not get it.

Main point, stock to stock, Z32 turbo is a better choice. Who knows which is better after modifications.

[drift freaq]

I am not really familiar with Camaro and Corvette but this is totally different from 240sx to 300zx. The 240sx is a slow car without any kind of major modification. 300zx on the other hand can be a 300hp from the factory if it is a turbo. I do not see they can compare to each other, even when the Z32 is a NA.

I also would say Skyline is the flagship sports car at the time, only the America did not get it.

Main point, stock to stock, Z32 turbo is a better choice. Who knows which is better after modifications.

Ok to start off the OP's post comes off like a troll. Fact is everyone knows stock from the factory the Z32 300zx was faster in terms of acceleration. In cornering the 240sx owned it though.
Now in Japan the Chuki 180sx and Kouki 180sx owned the Z32 in almost every aspect. Not to say a TT Z32 is a pretty awesome car but it just does not handle as nimbly as the RPS13 aka 180sx. The HP of the 180sx was also close enough given the fact that a NA Z32 was rated at close to the same HP but weighed a good 600 lbs more. Given that extra weight even with a TT rated at 300hp you were only getting 85hp more. Now all you had to do was put a boost controller on the 180sx and at 12lbs you were putting out about 200-225 whp which pretty much gave the TT a run for the money.

Truth be told the cars really should not be compared. The 240sx in the U.S. was a entry level sports car marketed as a economy sporty secretaries car. In Japan it was market as a entry level sports car which it was.
The 300zx was sold as a flagship Sports car but had slipped into the Sports GT catagory. It was not living up to the original Z car heritage. In fact the S13 fastback 240sx was closer to that heritage.

If you think the Skyline was a flagship sports car well actually it was a flagship Car period, there were several models that were a lot more Sports luxury than sports car. The GTR was a flagship Sports coupe, that was built to the level that elevated it into the realm of challenging Super cars even though it was not recognized as one. The New GTR puts all of that to rest and carries on in fine GTR tradition.

Final point, if you want a boulevard cruiser that can be fast a Z32 TT is your car. If you want a car that really handles and can be tossed around and abused and you can make fast then a 240sx is the better choice.
Do not even bother with a NA Z, oh and the TT's are the only ones that have any resale Value and they are hard to work on.

[Andrew Bohan]

Skyline - 300ZX - 240SX
is like
Corvette - Camaro - Cavalier



and i'll agree, VG30's are a pain to work on. they remind me of a borg ship, just a solid mass of tubes and hoses with a block and a couple turbos in there somewhere

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/borgs/borg7.jpg

[DOOK]

^ agreed with freaq

[usdm180sx]

Well, the sr20det wasn't installed in the 240sx for a reason. IMHO it's safe to guess that it was because that would make the 240sx quicker than the z32 just like the way Porsche underpowers the Cayman to make it inferior to the 997 which is the flagship car. Anyways, that's my 2 cents for whatever it's worth...

[lflkajfj12123]

you pretty much have to pull the motor to just change the oil on a 300zx haha

i talked to the nissan mechanics by me and they said they want to kill people that drive in with 300zx's

[khmer1]

i work at jiffy lube i want to kill anybody that drive in for an oil change....

[clark]

just my .02 cents here...

i love the look of 240s body styling. i just personally don't like the way z32's look. they're just ugly. and harder to work on as everyone has stated. suspension, handling, power is all there, just doesn't do it for me tho.

Nissan butterface

[jinesz32]

^ agree.

i work at jiffy lube as well.

300zx = a pain in the ass. -____- especially to work on, theres NO ROOM!

[clark]

i work at jiffy lube i want to kill anybody that drive in for an oil change....

i think you've got the wrong job then if you don't enjoy performing oil changes..ya know...since you work at jiffy lube and all.

[tschad]

both good cars but in my opion 240's are more fun, cheaper to build and easier to work on. and they hold a better price value. so whey buy a 300zx?

good luck with your decision.

[undercoverdjay]

I own both, and will never sell either of them. I own 2 S13s (not counting 2 other S13 parts cars) and a 91 300ZX TT. No matter what a 240SX looks like, it never turns as many heads as a well done cleaned up Z32. I get compliments ALLLLLL the time on my 300ZX. My 240SX hatch when it was done got abotut half, however, no matter what, it still came off as a riced out 4 cylinder. So I went RB25 to alleviate that problem :P

Long story short, figure out what you want in a car. A nice clean luxury sports car, or a light weight RWD car that with the equivalent HP will torch pretty much anything put next to it. My TT has beat some pretty expensive cars (C6s, porsches, FD3Ss, the list goes on) but, it'll never have the power to weight ratio as my RB25 Hatch. However, it still looks like a million bucks.

[Farkel]

I like both cars...
But it's obvious this board is dominated by 240 drivers so the opinions will be a little biased, as implied with some of the posts in this thread

Do not even bother with a NA Z, oh and the TT's are the only ones that have any resale Value and they are hard to work on.

lol this type of TT superiority hurts me as an NA driver. Not saying NAs are fast by any means, but it's also not that bad...

Here's a flash Z gallery for people to look at:
http://www.ogfactor.com/zgallery

And a pic of Kuah's Z:
http://splparts.com/events/tws1206/Kuah/DSC_2908.jpg

http://www.splparts.com/events/tws1206/ryan2.mpg

[cdlong]

well, the S-chassis was turbo to start with, just not here. the chassis can easily handle more power and the two "stock" engines can easily handle a lot of boost.

[JRas]

The 240sx is a better car in the long run if you are modifying ( IMO ).

300zx just doesn't have the same potentiality....


And a pic of Kuah's Z:
http://splparts.com/events/tws1206/Kuah/DSC_2908.jpg


picture is tight because it shows cars that are considered better in the background behind him

[Sileighty_85]

Need more Power and room to Work?

Problem Solved

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Not Exactly Pretty but gets the Job Done
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[LS240]

VG30s and 300ZXs are apparently a major pain to work on, as lots of posters have stated, that's why I say swap in an SR20. :bigok: I know it might seem counterproductive to some, but that swap just really piques my interest for some reason. It easily drops over 200 pounds, and it's a ton easier to work on with so much more space in the engine bay. Pretty cheap swap too.

Then again I freely admit I'm a little, shall we say, "unconventional". I wanna put a V8 in a 240, but put a 4 cylinder in a relatively big, heavy, and luxurious 300ZX, and turn the ZX into the stripped-out hardcore machine and keep the LS1 240 nice and streetable. Go figure.

As far as which is better, that's just down to taste. 240s are certainly cheaper, weigh a lot less, and have a larger aftermarket. But then again 300ZXs have better brakes and suspension from the factory, and accommodate much wider wheels and tires with minimal modifications. As far as looks, that's pure taste. I'm equally obsessed with both 300ZXs and S13 240s, and done right, I think both are pure stunners.

[fbiphil]

Does anyone know how much ligher the RB is than a VG30DETT? Wonder if it's enough to offset the higher cg of the RB swap in that Z... killer idea, though!

[LS240]

I don't think it's much lighter. Based on the figures I've found for engine weight(which are always kinda dodgy as there are lots of variables, so don't take these for 100% correct), the RB26 is only about 30-40lbs lighter than the VG30DETT. LS1s are about 115lbs lighter, and if you can believe it, SR20s are about 280lbs lighter.

[madd ocx]

The 300zx was great for its time ad still is a great car.. stock from the factory it pushed 300hp with tt.. its just a little heavy and like most said hard to work on.. you can get a lotta hp out of it with bolt ons etc.. i agreed with uncovered jay, a hooked up zx turns a lot of heads. we all love the 240 but the zx is a more classic car hands down.. it was a supercar in its day, like the supra and rx 7.. if i had a choice i would still get a 240 though, its cheaper and has more versatility in terms of looks and powertrain.. just my 2 cents!!

[mRclARK1]

I wonder how many people here have actually WORKED on a Z... not just looked at them and heard the bitching of others who have, which you can find with any car. With a Z32... Yes, they are a bitch to work on and are not as easy to do an oil change on as a S-Chassis etc. etc. But really the two are not comparable. I can find you a dozen people who hate working on an S-chassis. If you like the car though... do the work and it'll get easier as you learn the motor. Oil change is tricky on a VG? Relocate the filter... done. There's also a lot you can do to free up space in a Z32 engine bay to alleviate that common complaint about them.

A Z32 has a lot of potential, you just need the time and patience to do it right. There's plenty of Z's breaking the 500hp mark for example. A number reached by a TT VG much easier then any SR or KA-T. A fairer comparison is between the RB25 and 26 and the VG motors. In which case the RB26 wins, but it all depends on what floats your boat really. But with right mods and enough cash, either motor can make impressive numbers, and a VG is a very torque happy engine... I would say more so then an RB from experience with both motors.

I am not really familiar with Camaro and Corvette but this is totally different from 240sx to 300zx. The 240sx is a slow car without any kind of major modification. 300zx on the other hand can be a 300hp from the factory if it is a turbo. I do not see they can compare to each other, even when the Z32 is a NA.

I also would say Skyline is the flagship sports car at the time, only the America did not get it.

Main point, stock to stock, Z32 turbo is a better choice. Who knows which is better after modifications.

Yeah stock for stock any TT Z will walk all over a 240SX. But remember the Z32 is more then a little heavier then a 240. Put the same numbers in both cars, and the power/weight ratio will always favor the 240 significantly. The cars are really in different classes though and are not comparable really IMHO.

Skyline? I like them... I don't like the fact that they're more common then belly buttons now. They're a great car, but I'd take a well built 300 before any R3X GTR. The 300 may not be the best performing of the two, but it's more unique IMO.

To me: GTR, Z and Skyline are different poisons of the same class, and the S-chassis is below that... but still a great car with some decent mods tacked on. Done right... it'll walk all over any of those stock. A Z can also be a nimble handling car... just takes some work. But so does an S-chassis, perhaps just less.

For the record I've owned both. My SR S-chassis was funner, my Z32 is unique and classier. It's like a playstation compared to a date... both can be fun. :D

[articdragon192]

Z32s are fun. I give some 240s a run for their money in the corners. And working on the car isn't that bad. People just go of what others say.

[MikeisNissan]

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/borgs/borg7.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Brian W.]

for a street car... id rather have a Z32 than an S13 and i LOVE my S13.


here's a sweet one we built a little while ago....

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0712_nissan_300zx/index.html

[mRclARK1]

Z32s are fun. I give some 240s a run for their money in the corners. And working on the car isn't that bad. People just go of what others say.

:werd: my Z32 brotha. :bigok:

[allntrlundrgrnd]

bahah arcticdragon ^^ your sig is awesome +1

[Sileighty_85]

I wonder how many people here have actually WORKED on a Z... not just looked at them and heard the bitching of others who have, which you can find with any car.

The tranny is easier/quicker to drop, at least the M/T :P

[g-via]

this thread i like.

[articdragon192]

for a street car... id rather have a Z32 than an S13 and i LOVE my S13.


here's a sweet one we built a little while ago....

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0712_nissan_300zx/index.html

The Z32 owns as a street car. It's so comfy. And the girls dig it.

:werd: my Z32 brotha. :bigok:
You know how we do, hahaha.

[MikeisNissan]

OO a Super Street Celeb. But I personally think Z32's are bad to the bone. But then again I love Nissan so much, I support all it's cars.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

z32 for all out drag cars. 240sx for all else. drift or auto-x

[articdragon192]

Funny, because the rear of a Z32 prevent it from squatting. And squat is necessary for drag, no?
Z32s can be awesome circuit cars. Example... SPL Z32, Powertrix Z32, Ab Flug Z32, SpecialtyZ Z32.

[OptionZero]

i seen a few clean ones in white in the sun

damn that color and that body looks fuckin sweet

that shape held up pretty good over time

[mademedoit]

Yea I never drove or worked on one but a friend had one. He poped the hood, we both stared at that shit... I was like hhuuuuuu so ummm like how do you change the spark plugs? He looked as puzzled as I was, however if you dropped in an sr and striped it I wonder how much weight you could take off.

[articdragon192]

Spark plugs are cake. Oil changes are easier than a 240. It's not that bad.

[Risu2112]

I wish I could get T-tops on my S13... I have a 90' na Z32, it's not super fast, but man is it fun to drive. When the time comes to pour money into the cars for speed, it's going to the S13 though, primarily motivated by the far lower starting weight.

I'm pretty confident I could never voluntarily part with either of them. :)

[mRclARK1]

Yea I never drove or worked on one but a friend had one. He poped the hood, we both stared at that shit... I was like hhuuuuuu so ummm like how do you change the spark plugs? He looked as puzzled as I was, however if you dropped in an sr and striped it I wonder how much weight you could take off.

SR weighs significantly less, and it's been done. If I ever ditch my VG for any reason I may look into it. I'd likely go RB though, or possibley do something less common... like a 2JZ.

Spark plugs are cake. Oil changes are easier than a 240. It's not that bad.

He speaks truth... Spark plugs are a 20 minute job if you're slow. haha

[sac]

Funny, because the rear of a Z32 prevent it from squatting. And squat is necessary for drag, no?
Z32s can be awesome circuit cars. Example... SPL Z32, Powertrix Z32, Ab Flug Z32, SpecialtyZ Z32.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: so true..

Spark plugs are cake. Oil changes are easier than a 240. It's not that bad.
well.. the filter on a ttz32 is a little tougher to get to.. So not quite as easy, but they are easy. And the plugs, if you look at the motor for more than 3 min and cant figure that one out, then good luck ever modifying a car.

[ocn]

the 300zx is rediculous to work on in comparison to the 240sx. . from my experiance with the z i cringe everytime i look at that motor.. but to each is own your choice :rawk:

[imotion s14]

lol at whoever said the Z32 is ugly. The Z32 design is timeless. Even Today, 19 years since the Z32 debuted while the S13 and to a certain extent the S14 looks dated by comparison.

[mRclARK1]

A couple times now I've told people the year of my car and they simply didn't believe me. I'm not kidding.

Personally I think a lot of new cars look the same. The new GTR is a little more unique, but I see so little difference between the basic designs of many new vehicles. The Z32 still stands out as a fairly unique look to most. It was named one of the most 25 beautiful cars ever made. In which magazine, I can't remember off hand.

[OptionZero]

i've looked on craigslist for a little bit out of curiousity

it's really hard to find a non-ttop

[mRclARK1]

They're basically non-existant. I'll be bracing the fuck out of my Z to make it trackable to my liking.

[gregfarz78]

The Z32 looks better than a 240 but its too damn heavy the only Z's I like are the S30s

[Antihero983]

drift freaq pretty much summed it up.

but then again, i would rather have an S30...

OH WAIT.

i do have an S30. ha!

[water]

z32's > s-chassis to me

I would lose the VG for sure though - only b/c it IS a PITA and expensive to work on/modify/etc. I'm not 100% sure but I think you can swap x-members from an s-chassis. Either way, dropping in an SR or KA-T is something I always wanted to do to a Z and it should be easy schmeazy. Maybe when I'm done with this project...

[Antihero983]

^a friend of mine is building a RB powered Z32 for a customer of his....

i guess the biggest bitch is making thwe mounts and crossmember.

[Jay Shev]

The 240sx is a better car in the long run if you are modifying ( IMO ).

300zx just doesn't have the same potentiality....

Really... thats a good one. Let me get this straight... Your car has more potential after you swap in an engine that was not produced here in the good ole U.S of A, or rebuild your truck engine so it can handle a few pounds of boost.

The Z on the other hand, can handle up to 18lbs of boost on the stock internals all day. A Stage III Z (400hp, not RWHP) can be hand for less than 2K worth of mods... I personally have put down 465RWHP on pump fuel with a set of small turbos, ICs, and injectors.

Lets not forget build quality. As someone who owns both cars (a 1992 300ZX TT, and a 1997 240SX SE), the Z owns the S chassis in every aspect. Interior, exterior, suspension, comfort, everything! The stock radio can barely drown the road noises out in the S chassis. But of course, I am biased, oh wait! Not really...

[HKSdrift3r]

Having owned both chassis's (s13, 2 s14, and z32tt), i love the both of them. They are not as hard to work on as everyone bitches about, you just have to read the fsm a bit more and study things carefully. And who ever said changing the oil on them is hard is retarded. The filter is more easily accessible then on my ka24de. I can agree that they are heavy and do not handle as nimble as the 240sx, but still such a fun and fast car in the mountain roads. Also I want to say that with the factory twin turbo engine, I was able to mod the car under $1,000 to make 345rwhp. You cannot do that with a stateside 240sx. The 300zx is a gorgeous car and was so far advanced for its time, it is something to truly appreciate. I really miss my z32, and will own one again after I am done with school and can afford two projects (my current s14).

To the op, if you can afford both, then do so!! If not, make the decision as its a hard one. When i had my 240sx's, I always wanted the z32. When I finally purchased the z32, I missed the s14 mainly because of its, how can i say?,better susceptibility for drifting purposes. I mean, it would be just plain wrong to slide around and beat the ever living hell out of a mint and beautiful z32.



-George

[OBEEWON]

I was doing some reading, can't remember where and it stated that the Silvia is second in performance to only the Skyline in Japan. I'm guessing that means all around.

Still I love Z32's. Given the choice between a TT Supra and a RB26 (maybe even RB25) Z32 I'd chose the Z. They should have kept the Straight 6 in Z's. Not to say the VG wasn't a good motor. I just feel the techs could have spent alot more time on it. Just doing turbo's and injectors on one was enough to make me pass.

[water]

^a friend of mine is building a RB powered Z32 for a customer of his....

i guess the biggest bitch is making thwe mounts and crossmember.

I wouldn't want that. I like how the v6 sits low and behind the strut towers. An I4 wouldn't be too bad of a change IMO but I6's really hang over the suspension and bring the weight up high

[gnozahs]

Z32's have literally no space to work on in the engine bay. The parts are not cheap like the 240SX and are pretty expensive. Just keep the Z32 up to maintenance and you have a good DD. Sucks on gas though.

[SW20Racer]

The 240sx is a better car in the long run if you are modifying ( IMO ).

300zx just doesn't have the same potentiality....



picture is tight because it shows cars that are considered better in the background behind him

they're behind him because they're lapping him.:faint:

:keke:

[WISH ONE]

i hate every z32 that comes into my dealership!

[mRclARK1]

Aftermarket parts are actually not anymore expensive, or not any significant amount. A FMIC or twin upgraded sidemounts can be had for a similar price to a S-chassis. Greddy offers a FMIC kit for the Z32 for $1020 on their website for use with their Z32 turbo upgrade kit, which retails for about $4500 and uses the factory manifolds. Add injectors and fuel upgrades/management to that and for $7-8k or so you'll easily be pushing the 500+hp mark to be conservative, with tuning 600+.

Doing a turbo upgrade on a Z32 is a PITA I'll agree. It does NOT require pulling the engine like many people will say, it's just tricky to do without, but it can be done with patience and a decent set of jackstands since you'll be under the car to make it possible. A Z32 owner around my area did it. Unfortunately his Z looks like ass. lolz... sunken wheels etc.

i hate every z32 that comes into my dealership!

I think it's established a Z32 is a PITA to work on compared to a lot of cars. I don't think anyone in their right mind would own a Z32 unless they have some form of DD.

[BustedS13]

picture is tight because it shows cars that are considered better in the background behind him

that's because they're lapping him

edit: FUCK YOU SW20FUCKINGQUICKDRAWMCGRAW

GRAAHHHHH

[Andrew Bohan]

well aren't you the creative one

[SW20Racer]

that's because they're lapping him

edit: FUCK YOU SW20FUCKINGQUICKDRAWMCGRAW

GRAAHHHHH

http://mymiraclebaby.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/two-peas-pod.jpg

http://www.kimsites.net/dreamvalley/graphics/new/g2_logo.gif

[mRclARK1]

that's because they're lapping him

edit: FUCK YOU SW20FUCKINGQUICKDRAWMCGRAW

GRAAHHHHH

Watch the video, to me it looks like the Z is the one doing the lapping in that run.

[SW20Racer]

Watch the video, to me it looks like the Z is the one doing the lapping in that run.

here dude, on the house.
http://content.revolutionhealth.com/contentimages/Multum-xanax_2_mg

[jinesz32]

just 2jz that thing ;)

i always had a feel for the 2jz motors. :yum:

[mRclARK1]

No thanks SW20Racer. Don't have a panic attacks, anxiety disorder or clinical depression, and for the latter Xanax XR would be more appropriate as it's extended release, which is more useful in treating anxiety related to clinical depression.

Besides, that vid gives no context of what car was in what position etc. All I know is what I saw was a Z gaining ground on the cars it was, I'm assuming, competing with, whether it was from behind or ahead. Hell if I know. Just going by what I saw. It's like all the vids on youtube... "JDM SKYLINE GTR SMOKES VIPER!!!" etc... For all anyone knows the GTR could be pushing 1000hp with assloads of money invested in it, with a decent driver behind the wheel, and the Viper is stock driven by a pussy footed middle age mom.

FWIW in regards to the pic. No, stock for stock I don't think the Z32 is in the same class as the corvette. The vette would be top.

Ultimately you buy a car because you like it, and it's what you want. Build how you want it. Fuck everyone else. The End/

[strongbads240]

Skyline - 300ZX - 240SX
is like
Corvette - Camaro - Cavalier



and i'll agree, VG30's are a pain to work on. they remind me of a borg ship, just a solid mass of tubes and hoses with a block and a couple turbos in there somewhere

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/borgs/borg7.jpg


:Owned: hahahah yea and expensive


hahah yea srry am late but yea

[S12 Drifter]

Too much of a pain in the ass to work on. I think they put the engine on a stand and assembled the body around it.[/quote

shows how much you ACTUALLY KNOW. nice job.

[quote]but IMO they are kinda fugly

jealous much?


Ok to start off the OP's post comes off like a troll. Fact is everyone knows stock from the factory the Z32 300zx was faster in terms of acceleration. In cornering the 240sx owned it though.
[/b]Now in Japan the Chuki 180sx and Kouki 180sx owned the Z32 in almost every aspect[/b]

wrong. what about tuning? with just an exhaust an intake and a ECU we just bumped it up to the 340hp or if not more, not to mention you could get more power out of a v6 then a 4 banger. not even the FJ the greatest 4 cylinder motor to ever be created could stand up against a VG30DETT and win (motor for motor no car)

Now all you had to do was put a boost controller on the 180sx and at 12lbs you were putting out about 200-225 whp which pretty much gave the TT a run for the money. and whats stopping the guy in the TT from doing the same thing and getting even two times the hp it would make with just and intake and exhaust. not to mention the rods in a TT can take much more abuse then a " SR I'm a faggot alum block"

If you think the Skyline was a flagship sports car well actually it was a flagship Car period not in America

Well, the sr20det wasn't installed in the 240sx for a reason.

THE SR20 WAS installed in the late models 180SX and the silvia (S13)

whats your chassis code? S13 isn't it? it was installed but just not in the American version.

you pretty much have to pull the motor to just change the oil on a 300zx haha if you don't know shit about a motor don't say shit, i own a 300ZX you turd. it's not that hard to change the oil. ever changed the starter on an volvo? you have to pull the intake side.

well, the S-chassis was turbo to start with, just not here. the very first silvia the 1968 silvia was not a tuuuurbo learn your history.


to the guy who said about swapping a sr20det into a 300ZX Z32. you have some really big issues. think before you post. do you know how would that effect the handling? it would drive like a FF everytime you went into a corner mashing the pedal on the floor.


http://www.fastcoolcars.com/images/wallpaper2/300zx_2.jpg



would you still want to race against such a monster?

[TravisSW]

MrClark said it best.
"Ultimately you buy a car because you like it, and it's what you want. Build how you want it. Fuck everyone else. The End/"

Both are great cars, both look great. If I had the money, I'd love to have both.

Edgars (Articdragons) Z32 is "teh secks" in my books. And it only has some bulb changes as far as I know...besides the lowering and rims. :)

[INeedNewTires]

in terms of looks i'd take a S14 Kouki over a Z32 any day.... but i think it basically comes down to money... If you have tons to dump at a project, then the Z will eventually beat out the S... however if your on a low budget project, then the S will be much easier to get up to par than a Z.... track, drag, drift, it doesn't mater. let me break down what i am saying: if you take the starting price of a S13 avg around 1k, motor suspension & little things for 9k then you have a pretty nice power/weight handeling machine, where as you can barely get a Z for around 5-6k then it takes much more than 4k to bring it up to the level that the 10k S13 is....

[S12 Drifter]

in terms of looks i'd take a S14 Kouki over a Z32 any day.... but i think it basically comes down to money... If you have tons to dump at a project, then the Z will eventually beat out the S... however if your on a low budget project, then the S will be much easier to get up to par than a Z.... track, drag, drift, it doesn't mater. let me break down what i am saying: if you take the starting price of a S13 avg around 1k, motor suspension & little things for 9k then you have a pretty nice power/weight handeling machine, where as you can barely get a Z for around 5-6k then it takes much more than 4k to bring it up to the level that the 10k S13 is....

i bought my Z31 for almost 2k :)



oh and this is why you never drop a 4 banger in a Z32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DEsy19EH0

[LS240]

First of all S12 Drifter, your post contains far too much aggression. Nobody in this thread so far has posted anything demeaning or insulted any other poster, and yet you come on here and in your very first post on the site, offend multiple people. There's no need for such an attitude. You can debate a topic with someone without resorting to childish attacks. If you can't treat your fellow posters with respect, then simply don't post at all. One more post like that and I'll report you to the mods.

Second, please do explain how putting an SR20 in a 300ZX will make it handle like an FF? In steady state cornering, a car with 50/50 weight balance will have an equal amount of force acting laterally on both front and rear sets of tires. In other words, neutral handling. A car that's front heavy will have more force acting on the front wheels laterally, causing understeer in steady state cornering. And a rear-heavy car will have the opposite, wanting to oversteer.

Now here's the thing, the 300ZX is a slightly front-heavy car from the factory. Ignoring all other factors like suspension setup, differences in front to rear tire grip, etc., the 300ZX should understeer in steady state cornering. If one were to put an SR20 in a 300ZX, it would lower the weight of the front end and bring the weight balance closer to 50/50, meaning that the SR20 car would understeer less in steady state cornering, given the same vehicle, setup, grip, road conditions, etc.

Also, with less weight on the front end, it would allow for quicker directional changes, making the handling feel less "sluggish" upon turn in and transitional cornering. Also, the lower weight would mean a higher grip/lbs ratio. In other words, the front end would have better grip due to the fact that with the same tires you could reach higher cornering speeds, and thus larger lateral loads, before the lateral load would overcome the grip of the tires.

Basically, all this technical mumbo jumbo means that, no, an SR20-powered 300ZX would not understeer more than a similar VG30-powered car, and would instead have more neutral handling.

I'll leave it to the other posters to refute your other comments, as they weren't aimed at me.

Have a nice day!

:wavey:

[Tenchuu]

I had a 1990 Z32, i sold it for a 12 pack of guiness after parting it out. probably shoudl have put the motor in and bought an ECU for it, but i didn't have the time so i parted it out (not hard when it ran $1000) and sold the shell for the beer.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Personally, I dont see why people say the Z32 doesnt have potential. Potential to what??? Are you on crack? VG30s hitting the 800 hp, hell remember the Z32 that broke 1000hp on stock HG?!?! You want it to handle, get better suspension, if you can make a Soarer handle, I dont see why you cant do the same shit to this...

You wanna have a reliable TT? Get an NA, and swap a TT in it. While the engines out, change all the maintenance shit while its out. New timing belt, water pump, thermostat, hell change the HG and turbo while its out if you want. Stock turbo setup with exhaust and rom tune (crank the boost up), you can make 400hp on the setup.

[berz]

z32= big brother.... s chassie = little brother on steroids. but we all have our differences

[INeedNewTires]

i bought my Z31 for almost 2k :)



oh and this is why you never drop a 4 banger in a Z32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DEsy19EH0

this thread is about Z32 and my formula still works with your 2k z31, with 8k more into it its still considerably less than a 10k S13.... And that video was a stupid ass retort and had absolutely NOTHING to do with the engine.... Sure did look like it handled like a "FF" though.... ass

[sac]

z32= big brother.... s chassie = little brother on steroids. but we all have our differences
hahaha.. like the analogy..

[S12 Drifter]

this thread is about Z32 and my formula still works with your 2k z31, with 8k more into it its still considerably less than a 10k S13.... And that video was a stupid ass retort and had absolutely NOTHING to do with the engine.... Sure did look like it handled like a "FF" though.... ass

WITH 8k in my Z31 i would be able to mop the floor over the S12 S13 S14 and S15 hell 1k into my motor and I'm already near 350hp. literally i can make power for pennies on the dollar, thats how cheap the aftermarket for the Z31 is. racing cams for $200, boost controller for like $19.00 and the bottem end can hold 500HP factory. so i would basically rape your 10k S13 with less money into mine. 5k is all i really need. now if your talking about value then you win. but if your talking about performance then you lose...

every car manufactorer tries to make the car 50/50 or close to it.

the MR2 for example, i would love for you to push one of those to the limit on a mountian and live to talk about it. even though it has great traction at the limit all MR's understeer any car with the motor in the rear being pushed at the limit understeers.

the Z32 was made and counter balanced so that the front end won't understeer because of so much weight in the front. if you put enough weight in the front of a car you can make it understeer, with enough weight, however nissan did counter balance the Z32. if you drop a motor 400lb lighter then the orignal then you have just shifted the weight to the rear of the Z making it either understeer or as you just saw oversteer. either way it's unblanced. a VG compared to a SR, the VG pisses all over the SR, and CA.

the only 4 cylinder that should ever be put in a Z is the all mighty FJ24ET or FJ20ET. and yes that 80's motor will piss over all the 4 cylinders in this board, it'll even give the VG30ET a run for it's money. that motor doesn't deserve to be compared to another 4 cylinder. more like is should be compared to a L6 or a V6. damn that motor is so mean.

[OBEEWON]

WITH 8k in my Z31 i would be able to mop the floor over the S12 S13 S14 and S15 hell 1k into my motor and I'm already near 350hp. literally i can make power for pennies on the dollar, thats how cheap the aftermarket for the Z31 is. racing cams for $200, boost controller for like $19.00 and the bottem end can hold 500HP factory. so i would basically rape your 10k S13 with less money into mine. 5k is all i really need. now if your talking about value then you win. but if your talking about performance then you lose...

every car manufactorer tries to make the car 50/50 or close to it.

the MR2 for example, i would love for you to push one of those to the limit on a mountian and live to talk about it. even though it has great traction at the limit all MR's understeer any car with the motor in the rear being pushed at the limit understeers.

the Z32 was made and counter balanced so that the front end won't understeer because of so much weight in the front. if you put enough weight in the front of a car you can make it understeer, with enough weight, however nissan did counter balance the Z32. if you drop a motor 400lb lighter then the orignal then you have just shifted the weight to the rear of the Z making it either understeer or as you just saw oversteer. either way it's unblanced. a VG compared to a SR, the VG pisses all over the SR, and CA.

the only 4 cylinder that should ever be put in a Z is the all mighty FJ24ET or FJ20ET. and yes that 80's motor will piss over all the 4 cylinders in this board, it'll even give the VG30ET a run for it's money. that motor doesn't deserve to be compared to another 4 cylinder. more like is should be compared to a L6 or a V6. damn that motor is so mean.

It doesn't matter.

[SW20Racer]

Really... thats a good one. Let me get this straight... Your car has more potential after you swap in an engine that was not produced here in the good ole U.S of A, or rebuild your truck engine so it can handle a few pounds of boost.


haha! the vg was used in minivans. so your point is moot as far as im concerned. especially since as far as i got was "derrr...truck engine!"

swapping a four cylinder into a z32 just doesnt seem to click though. at least do an LSx swap. its getting to be too cheap not to.

[Tops*]

i bought my Z31 for almost 2k :)



oh and this is why you never drop a 4 banger in a Z32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DEsy19EH0

Just so you know, the driver that crashed the Z32 was driving a customer's car that didn't have experience driving the car.

Oka-chan and Dai said the S15 SR brought out the best in what the Z32 had to offer.

I'd take an S13 hatch over a Z32.

[exitspeed]

S12 Drifter please try to relax.

You're "piss in SR" comments make you sound like an ass.

This debate is pretty pointless as far as I'm concerned. No one party is going to change the others mind.

[drift freaq]

WITH 8k in my Z31 i would be able to mop the floor over the S12 S13 S14 and S15 hell 1k into my motor and I'm already near 350hp. literally i can make power for pennies on the dollar, thats how cheap the aftermarket for the Z31 is. racing cams for $200, boost controller for like $19.00 and the bottem end can hold 500HP factory. so i would basically rape your 10k S13 with less money into mine. 5k is all i really need. now if your talking about value then you win. but if your talking about performance then you lose...

every car manufactorer tries to make the car 50/50 or close to it.

the MR2 for example, i would love for you to push one of those to the limit on a mountian and live to talk about it. even though it has great traction at the limit all MR's understeer any car with the motor in the rear being pushed at the limit understeers.

the Z32 was made and counter balanced so that the front end won't understeer because of so much weight in the front. if you put enough weight in the front of a car you can make it understeer, with enough weight, however nissan did counter balance the Z32. if you drop a motor 400lb lighter then the orignal then you have just shifted the weight to the rear of the Z making it either understeer or as you just saw oversteer. either way it's unblanced. a VG compared to a SR, the VG pisses all over the SR, and CA.

The only 4 cylinder that should ever be put in a Z is the all mighty FJ24ET or FJ20ET. and yes that 80's motor will piss over all the 4 cylinders in this board, it'll even give the VG30ET a run for it's money. that motor doesn't deserve to be compared to another 4 cylinder. more like is should be compared to a L6 or a V6. damn that motor is so mean.

Ah you sure have a great way of making first impressions. You really have not a lot of understanding of these engines either. The FJ20 which I happened to have owned in the 80's is a tank. Plus the CA18DET is everybit the equal if not better because its a much lighter engine capable of putting out the same numbers and having the dope ass valve train. While the SR20DET valve train may not be the best the engine overall is a lot more economical to run compared to a FJ. Mentioning a FJ here is like the biggest non statement.
1. FJ's were rare even back in the day.
2. They were damn heavy
3. Parts were and are completely impossible to get.

For you to say that any 80's engine will piss all over 90's engines from Nissan or the current VQ series is either shear stupidity or total ignorance of current technology.
Fact is RB25's and 26's are dope ass engines that have been proven. Fact is the VQ series is Nismo's current engine of choice for racing and they won the JGTC with a R34 powered by a twin turbo VQ30.

I am sorry but your beloved VG is a dinosaur at this point in time. As is your Z31 which was a pile in the handling department compared to a Z32 or a S13.

On the subject of MR2's have you ever owned one? I have, they handle great. in fact they don't understeer. They have a snap oversteer issue. I.E. you push them to the limit and the rear end comes around very quickly. Thats not a understeer issue its a oversteer issue. I can push a MR2 through a corner hard as hell, no understeer. Though I can feel it at the edge wanting to come around.


The car you showed a pic of was a 100k at the time race car. Besides somewhat stock looking bodywork everything underneath was heavily modded and massaged to perform better.

You have managed to call people out here for no other reason but to start a pissing match. You have insulted in the same breath and you have blathered in complete ignorance and devotion to a dinosaur that has not much note of being great in the history of Nissan. 80's Nissan's were nothing to write home about and the FJ20 was one of the few if only bright spots but it was not gods gift to Nissan DOHC 4 cylinders. It was just the first and laid the groundwork for greater stuff to come. It was a good engine but it was way to heavy.

I suggest you take the cotton out of your ears and stuff it in your mouth you might learn something.

[Antihero983]

and drift freaq wins!!!!!

+rep for dropping knowledge on suckas!

[mRclARK1]

I agree with pretty much everything drift freaq said. However, I don't see how an engine becomes a dinosaur simply because it's old and not the newest current technology. There's always ways to improve upon it etc. If the VG is a dinosaur, so is the redtop SR and many other engines, foreign and domestic, that are heavily used in custom vehicles of any kind.

Fact, not everyone can afford the newest and latest engines for their projects, so people make do and have fun doing it.

I'd love to have the money to throw a built RB into my Z32 or a V8 or a 2JZ would be great... Just for the joy of the project, but I don't have the time above all else right now. The VG will satisfy my goals easily, and will be more then enough to compete with most other cars out there, so it fits my goal, and it's already mounted under my hood. lolz

[FusionR240sx]

the z32 isn't even in the same league as a s-chassis car.
don't even compare the 2 at all.

"economy" car vs. touring.

s- chassis = cheap

z32 is a high maintenance car.

i'd have a z32 right now if i had the money to afford it.

but i'd take a z32 TT over a 240sx any day.

also the topic is 240sx....
sooo that means ka vs vg.
haha

the VQ is also a minivan motor. so idk what the one dude is sayin about a vg being one.

[1989rps13]

for a street car... id rather have a Z32 than an S13 and i LOVE my S13.


here's a sweet one we built a little while ago....

http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0712_nissan_300zx/index.html


hey whats the color code for the z32.:yum:

[usdm180sx]

Geez this has become an initial d pissing contest: "Your 4 cylinder mini motor lacks the true power potential of the mighty vg30det. I get so excited just revving up the motor! You had better watch for your life or you will be at the bottom of Mt. Akina's valley."

[SW20Racer]

fuck your ka.
fuck your ca.
fuck your sr.
fuck your rb.
fuck your LSx.
fuck your vg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC6It6z1HE
Pulse kick&go scooterz its the only way to cruise.
now lock this shit before someone gets challenged to a downhill race

[LS240]

Geez this has become an initial d pissing contest: "Your 4 cylinder mini motor lacks the true power potential of the mighty vg30det. I get so excited just revving up the motor! You had better watch for your life or you will be at the bottom of Mt. Akina's valley."

Buahahahahah! +Rep!

S12 Drifter, you clearly lack even basic knowledge of automotive physics so I'm just not going to bother anymore. I suggest you leave the thread and never return, lest you end up with quite a few little red squares and maybe even a ban. Have fun either way!

And just so everyone is clear, I'm not even remotely suggesting that the SR20 is better than the VG30, or that it makes the 300ZX a "better" car. I absolutely agree with the fact that VGs make more power, and if I were aiming for straight-line performance I would choose the VG over an SR any day(and an LS1's even better. The LS in my name does refer to LS series engines after all. ;) ). The reason I want to do an SR swap in a 300ZX is simply because I want to do something a little out of the norm by building a Z32 to simply handle as well as it possibly can. It sounds a little cliche, but you might say I want to build a car for "Touge" driving. Lightweight, nimble, and with just enough power to not be embarrassed on short straights. Yes, other cars, including S chassis cars, would be better suited to that need, but like I said, I just want something different and surprising.

An SR20 swap would suit those needs quite well, though I realize for most everybody else it simply wouldn't make sense. I'm just a little :loco: and I freely admit it. :bigok:

[drift freaq]

Buahahahahah! +Rep!

S12 Drifter, you clearly lack even basic knowledge of automotive physics so I'm just not going to bother anymore. I suggest you leave the thread and never return, lest you end up with quite a few little red squares and maybe even a ban. Have fun either way!

And just so everyone is clear, I'm not even remotely suggesting that the SR20 is better than the VG30, or that it makes the 300ZX a "better" car. I absolutely agree with the fact that VGs make more power, and if I were aiming for straight-line performance I would choose the VG over an SR any day(and an LS1's even better. The LS in my name does refer to LS series engines after all. ;) ). The reason I want to do an SR swap in a 300ZX is simply because I want to do something a little out of the norm by building a Z32 to simply handle as well as it possibly can. It sounds a little cliche, but you might say I want to build a car for "Touge" driving. Lightweight, nimble, and with just enough power to not be embarrassed on short straights. Yes, other cars, including S chassis cars, would be better suited to that need, but like I said, I just want something different and surprising.

An SR20 swap would suit those needs quite well, though I realize for most everybody else it simply wouldn't make sense. I'm just a little :loco: and I freely admit it. :bigok:

Honestly I can see the sense in your desire and S12 drifter saying it messes up the balance of the Z32 to the point of making the car understeer is shear stupidity. A overly heavy front end will cause more understeer because of the tendacy to want to plow due to excess weight. The Z32 with a SR upfront would indeed be a more nimble handling automobile.

I will say I liberally used the term dinosaur. Perhaps I should have stated old ass technology. The L series is the dinosaur, actually dating back to 1961, when Mercedes sold Nissan the design of the all aluminum 190 engine. Which was the basis for the L series. Now considering the RB series grew out of the L series as did the C18DET its pretty interesting but at this point in time they are all old ass technology compared to the current engines. Don't get me wrong the VG was a good engine. A Good heavy engine. The VQ is definitely a vast improvement. I would love to see someone drop a VQ in a Z32.

[LS240]

How much does a VQ35 weigh? That's one engine weight that I don't know off the top of my head, and I had trouble finding that info in the past. If it's light enough I would consider a VQ swap as well.

Edit: I just spent the last half hour on google looking for VQ weights and I'm coming up with about 370lbs for a VQ35 with accessories. In other words, right around KA24DE weight and only 30-40lbs heavier than an SR20. Does that sound realistic?

[coreansurfer]

the term dinosaur doesn't quite fit.

the rb/sr/vg/ca are more like old dogs that learned new tricks

[beeracing s14]

300zx are heavy. its like a car with extra 900 lb. of rice sacks that delivers around the neighborhood.

[tattoo131313]

I had a TT 300z and the turbo took a shiet at around 61,000 and goddamn that was a pain to change.I've definately had a lot more fun and less headaches working on my 240s

[S12 Drifter]

Ah you sure have a great way of making first impressions. You really have not a lot of understanding of these engines either. The FJ20 which I happened to have owned in the 80's is a tank. Plus the CA18DET is everybit the equal if not better because its a much lighter engine capable of putting out the same numbers and having the dope ass valve train. While the SR20DET valve train may not be the best the engine overall is a lot more economical to run compared to a FJ. Mentioning a FJ here is like the biggest non statement.
1. FJ's were rare even back in the day.
2. They were damn heavy
3. Parts were and are completely impossible to get.

For you to say that any 80's engine will piss all over 90's engines from Nissan or the current VQ series is either shear stupidity or total ignorance of current technology.
Fact is RB25's and 26's are dope ass engines that have been proven. Fact is the VQ series is Nismo's current engine of choice for racing and they won the JGTC with a R34 powered by a twin turbo VQ30.

I am sorry but your beloved VG is a dinosaur at this point in time. As is your Z31 which was a pile in the handling department compared to a Z32 or a S13.


The car you showed a pic of was a 100k at the time race car. Besides somewhat stock looking bodywork everything underneath was heavily modded and massaged to perform better.



1. i never said a FJ will piss over the VQ in fact i said the FJ will give the VG30ET a run for it's money the sohc version of the VG30DETT.

2. back in the day FJ's were kinda every where. they were in the DR30 RS skyline and the S12 RSX silvia. and they are littered all over Australia just gotta know who to talk to and where to look.

3. if you know where to look you can actually get a hold of parts for a price. and plus it's good to custom fab stuff, you won't have to always be looking for parts.

4. as for VG's being out dated. http://theZstore.com and tons more. (http://thezstore.com/)

5. i never stated the RB's are weak, they are amazing motors they truly are.

6 sometimes old technology is better then new then again thats my taste i love old cars.

7. i never said the FJ wasn't a tank in fact i already knew that before you stated that. they are built tough and last a long time once an overhaul is done. the rods on the FJ are as strong as the rods on a chevy 350 motor.

sorry if i come off as aggressive in this post didn't mean to come off as such.

aha! the vg was used in minivans. the 350Z motor is also used in the nissan quest. what does it matter? just means their spreading out the motor to not only one car.

[usdm180sx]

So....after all the blah blah blah all I got out of your reasoning is that you like the z32? Cool...now let it go

[Antihero983]

simply put....

S30>Z32 and S13. kthxbai.

[mRclARK1]

Honestly I can see the sense in your desire and S12 drifter saying it messes up the balance of the Z32 to the point of making the car understeer is shear stupidity. A overly heavy front end will cause more understeer because of the tendacy to want to plow due to excess weight. The Z32 with a SR upfront would indeed be a more nimble handling automobile.

I will say I liberally used the term dinosaur. Perhaps I should have stated old ass technology. The L series is the dinosaur, actually dating back to 1961, when Mercedes sold Nissan the design of the all aluminum 190 engine. Which was the basis for the L series. Now considering the RB series grew out of the L series as did the C18DET its pretty interesting but at this point in time they are all old ass technology compared to the current engines. Don't get me wrong the VG was a good engine. A Good heavy engine. The VQ is definitely a vast improvement. I would love to see someone drop a VQ in a Z32.

I would love to do a Z32 VQxxTT project. It's basically just I have a nice VGTT under my hood already that will do the job just fine. But I entirely agree that would be a badass deal.

Anyone who says an SR20 in a Z32 would be a dumb project? It's been done in a Z33, a Z31... I'm sure there's a Z32 out there somewhere. Personally not what I'm aiming for, but I would be extremely interested in seeing the result, and I agree with what many have stated in that it would improve the handling in many aspects.

More I think about it, the day my VG takes a shit... a 2JZ tickles my interest. :wiggle:

FWIW the Z32 is heavy for sure, but I believe the Z33 weighs even more yet, and the Skyline R3x GTR's I don't believe are that far behind IIRC. There's lots you can do to any car to put it on a diet. I'm doing it to my Z32 right now...

[Drifter757]

z32= big brother.... s chassie = little brother on steroids. but we all have our differences

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

I have a 90 TT and a 97 240sx SE. My Z's got some mods, should be over 400hp, hopefully I'll get her dyno'd this summer. My 240 is my daily and mostly stock, but she'll be KA-t soon. They're both great cars and I love them both. I don't think I could part with either.

In general tho the 240 is like the fun, cheap, and easy bar slut you call on the weekends. The Z is the gorgeous gal you keep for the long haul, you know she'll age well, be civilized, refined, but still be a hellcat when needed.

[gregfarz78]

How much does a VQ35 weigh? That's one engine weight that I don't know off the top of my head, and I had trouble finding that info in the past. If it's light enough I would consider a VQ swap as well.

Edit: I just spent the last half hour on google looking for VQ weights and I'm coming up with about 370lbs for a VQ35 with accessories. In other words, right around KA24DE weight and only 30-40lbs heavier than an SR20. Does that sound realistic?

http://www.gregfarz.com/private/d/3257-1/VQ35DE+Weight.JPG

Its lighter than a KA by maybe 20-30 lbs

simply put....

S30>Z32 and S13/S14. kthxbai.

truth :bowdown:

[LS240]

LOL ya I saw that pic too. It doesn't have accessories mounted though so it's actual weight would be a bit more. Still though, somewhere between SR20 and KA24 weight. Not bad. Sounds like a great choice for any Nissan swap, maybe more. VQ35 RX7 anyone?

Damn now I have even more crazy ideas rattling around inside my head. Need lots of money ASAP lol.

[OptionZero]

the VQ's tranny is where the real weight is

as an aluminum engine, it makes sense that the VQ is lighter than the VG or KA

[shifteds14]

[quote=f1nch;2031293]I have always loved the 240sx and Nissans in particular. I know this is a 240majority board but I cant help but think the 300zx is superior.

It being nissans flagship sports car is inescapeable.

Its like owning a Camaro and somebody pulls up in a Corvette.

Money aside because parts are generally more expensive for the Z which would you guys choose?

The fact that the Z is twin turbo and restoring a car that is already fast can cause less headaches in the long run then one that isnt fast/Turbo to start with.


it sounds like u already decided lol just get the z32 .

my .02 cents
-the s13 and s14 chassis are competitively more versitle then the z32 reason being 2 major reasons handling & power to wieght ratio.

(1)- because the s chassis being nissan entry level sports car it was designed to be a moderatly leight wieght but not compact in overall chassis design. which leads to (2)- s13 and s14 frames can balanced a array of high power potential engine swaps from domestic - jap spec engines , while retaining good maneuvering capablities.

which is the rawest formula for all truely competitive machines if done right like, cursedGTR RB powered s15

[water]

I'm not sure an SR would necessarily make for a more balanced z32 considering the weight is focused higher and will hang slightly beyond the front strut towers since its 4 cyl long as opposed to 3. Either way, my rationale is based off how easy and cheap it is to build/fix an sr. I mean cams alone for a VG could run you almost $2k depending on brand.

[S12 Drifter]

I'm not sure an SR would necessarily make for a more balanced z32 considering the weight is focused higher and will hang slightly beyond the front strut towers since its 4 cyl long as opposed to 3. Either way, my rationale is based off how easy and cheap it is to build/fix an sr. I mean cams alone for a VG could run you almost $2k depending on brand.

http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/CTGY/PEM01

really cheap cheap cheap. and their performance, just look at that duration.

and the 350Z cams go for 1k.

[HyperTek]

Z32 hands down! more mature crowd, less theft issues and much more challanging to impress = fun

compared to
S13, every 16 year old starts out with one, replacement for the honda scene, good luck finding a virgin 240sx harder to come by.

[water]

http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/CTGY/PEM01

really cheap cheap cheap. and their performance, just look at that duration.

and the 350Z cams go for 1k.

OK i should have said vg30De(t) engines which is what z32's come with after all.

[CNDC]

the MR2 for example, i would love for you to push one of those to the limit on a mountian and live to talk about it. even though it has great traction at the limit all MR's understeer any car with the motor in the rear being pushed at the limit understeers.



For some reason a laughed at that. Maybe because most of my friends are mr2 owners... Your ethos was tottally lost with that statement.

[OptionZero]

an mr2's engine isn't in the rear

it's in the middle

[Antihero983]

^yep.

MR2 actually means

Mid-engine Rear wheel drive 2 seater.

i learned that when i worked at toyota.

[coreansurfer]

^yep.

MR2 actually means

Mid-engine Rear wheel drive 2 seater.

i learned that when i worked at toyota.

hah! makes so much sense but i never would have guessed it.

[Andrew Bohan]

are you guys serious?

i learned that when i turned my brain on. :love:

[coreansurfer]

psh, brains.:hug:

[alkemyst]

I like my 240 for my style of driving and likes.

The Z32 TT is a monster of a car, but it's also way up on the GT cruiser list than tossable roundabout.

The Z32 gets looks, I think more than the 350Z, when it's done right. It's a great car. It's hard to work on though so if you like having a car as something to just mess around with then the Z32 is a bitch to own. If you are the type that drops it off somewhere or just does a complete build at one time then this doesn't matter.

I also liked the Z31's esp the 88/89's however the freaking school bus interiors killed my interest.

Right after high school (1989) while in college, I had friends that owned a 91 SE, 89 300ZX turbo, and both the NA and TT 300ZXs (to mention the Nissans). I really liked them all for different reasons. The 91 SE (champange hatchback) was a car I was the passenger in the most.

The Z32 reminded me a lot of the 90ish Supra Turbo both felt big and substantial around you but harder to see around and maneuver. The worst cars I was in for this were F-bodies around 2000 or so? the noses were terribly long but you couldn't see them from the drivers seat.

[Brian W.]

we have also done a 2JZ in a Z32....


.....very awesome car aswell.

[JayDee M Rolly]

Z31 wtf, is this wangan midnight now.

Z32's are sexy, except articdragons =P

[coreansurfer]

Z31 wtf, is this wangan midnight now.

Z32's are sexy, except articdragons =P

+1 to you. who buys an na 2+2 with ricer exhaust.


uggggghhhhh:keke::keke::keke::keke::keke:

[Omarius Maximus]

I'm going to have to go with the 300zx here. When it came out...it was a technological marvel. Hicas, twin turbos, adjustable suspension, climate control, etc etc. It is better than the 240sx in every single way (and it should be, since it cost twice as much), except for weight.

Also, a lot of you guys are a bit brainwashed with the SR...a redtop putting down 225-240whp on stock turbo, 91 octane? Hmmmm, thats a bit suspect. Show me dynos please.

FWIW....I would race a friend who had a bolt on SR(boost controller, intercooler, turboback) in my brothers ap1 s2k and pull consistently on him... An s2k dynos maybe 195-205 stock.

Stock jdm silvia/180sx would be a high 14 second car...if you were extremely lucky.
Stock 300zx tt is a high 13 second car...

Dollar for Dollar, the Z will always be faster.

[EDacIouSX]

I'm going to have to go with the 300zx here. When it came out...it was a technological marvel. Hicas, twin turbos, adjustable suspension, climate control, etc etc. It is better than the 240sx in every single way (and it should be, since it cost twice as much), except for weight.

Also, a lot of you guys are a bit brainwashed with the SR...a redtop putting down 225-240whp on stock turbo, 91 octane? Hmmmm, thats a bit suspect. Show me dynos please.

FWIW....I would race a friend who had a bolt on SR(boost controller, intercooler, turboback) in my brothers ap1 s2k and pull consistently on him... An s2k dynos maybe 195-205 stock.

Stock jdm silvia/180sx would be a high 14 second car...if you were extremely lucky.
Stock 300zx tt is a high 13 second car...

Dollar for Dollar, the Z will always be faster.

just out of curiosity do you own a z? cause, have you ever looked in the engine bay? And, from what I understand... there's not much room to upgrade a turbo. So..... can you explain how a Z32 will perform better than a sr'ed 240sx dollar for dollar? And, if that was true, then why do you not see that many z32's being raced in comparison to silvias?

I've never seen a Z32 win a GT300 or 500. S14 and 15 both have won GT300 once. I have never seen a Z32 being used for drifting in D1 (granted I am not super hardcore d1 fan). If it was so much better dollar for dollar than a S chasis car then that would mean it would be the preferred tuning basis but it isn't.

if you really compare, you can pick upa Z32 TT for how much $? Then, you can pick up a S13 with an SR20 for how much? And then with the extra cash laying around from picking up the s13 with sr20, you can pick up a bigger turbo and some bolt on and about break even to the cost of just purchasing a z32 tt...

sorry. i think your argument is flawed.

[alkemyst]

just out of curiosity do you own a z? cause, have you ever looked in the engine bay? And, from what I understand... there's not much room to upgrade a turbo. So..... can you explain how a Z32 will perform better than a sr'ed 240sx dollar for dollar? And, if that was true, then why do you not see that many z32's being raced in comparison to silvias?

I've never seen a Z32 win a GT300 or 500. S14 and 15 both have won GT300 once. I have never seen a Z32 being used for drifting in D1 (granted I am not super hardcore d1 fan). If it was so much better dollar for dollar than a S chasis car then that would mean it would be the preferred tuning basis but it isn't.

He is on base rock throwing the dollar for dollar deal in there.

If you look at the Japanese performance specs on the cars you can see apples to apples. The 300ZX TT was advertised here as a 13.7-13.9 sec car, but I don't think many could duplicate that (maybe down hill tracks :))...most were getting low to mid 14's.

Interesting was the 300zx tt and R32 GT-R had nearly the same power ratings and weight, but over 2sec difference in the 1/4.

The S14 Silvia was a low to mid 14 sec car, the S15 Silvia was a high 13 sec car.

The silvia is not really a 1/4 mile car...however; while it may be close from a dig...on a roll the silvia would smoke the 300ZX. The 300ZX is carrying about 500lbs more weight.

They are really different cars though.

[Omarius Maximus]

From 1990 to 1995, Steve Millen drove the twin turbo 300ZX for Clayton Cunningham Racing. The car dominated the IMSA in its GTO, then later GTS categories due to its newly-designed chassis and engine. Millen would rank as the #1 Factory Driver for Nissan for 7 years and earn two IMSA GTS Driving Championships and two IMSA GTS Manufacturer's Championships. Among enthusiasts and the team themselves, the biggest triumph for the race Z32 was the victory in the 24 Hours of Daytona. In the same year at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the 300ZX ranked first in the GTS-1 class and 5th overall. In an attempt to level the playing field in the GTS-1 class by reducing the allowable horsepower, the IMSA declared the twin turbo VG engine ineligible.[6] The 1995 GTS 300ZX car would debut with the V8 Nissan VH engine at Daytona[14] and would place first in the GTS-1 class at the 12 Hours of Sebring and Mosehead Grand Prix in Halifax.[15]
The JUN-BLITZ Bonneville Z32 holds the E/BMS class land speed record of 419.84 km/h (260.87 mph) set at the 1995 Bonneville Speed Trial. The vehicle was built as a partnership between JUN Auto and BLITZ. This record remains unbroken. In 1990 JUN's first Z32 went 339.2 km/h at their Yatabe test course and hit 373 km/h after some tuning at Bonneville.

Throughout its life, the 300ZX has been praised by critics. Car and Driver placed the car on its Ten Best list for 7 consecutive years and Motor Trend awarded it as the 1990 Import Car of the Year.

Keep in mind that in the early nineties, Jun/Trust were doing 200-205mph on stock block Z32tts. The one that did 260mph had a crazy ass manifold and a single turbo, built block.

What I meant as far as dollar for dollar: 500 dollar chip, 700 dollar turboback, 150 dollar intake and your at 400 crank horsepower.

400 crank on an SR would cost you waaay more.

And when we're talking about pushing both engines to their absolute limits..the sr will never touch the VG.

As far as why 300zxs aren't used more in drifting....maybe they are less expendable? Would you drive a fox body mustang in a destruction derby or a Ford GT40?

Or perhaps it's because they are more complicated...who knows...

As far as JGTC goes...I won't even respond to that....that's like the Nascar of Japan.

[alkemyst]

What I meant as far as dollar for dollar: 500 dollar chip, 700 dollar turboback, 150 dollar intake and your at 400 crank horsepower.

400 crank on an SR would cost you waaay more.

And when we're talking about pushing both engines to their absolute limits..the sr will never touch the VG.

As far as why 300zxs aren't used more in drifting....maybe they are less expendable? Would you drive a fox body mustang in a destruction derby or a Ford GT40?

Or perhaps it's because they are more complicated...who knows...

As far as JGTC goes...I won't even respond to that....that's like the Nascar of Japan.

You don't need 400 crank on the SR when it's about 20% lighter though...a 300ish SR should equal a 400HP 300ZXTT

Also on a short tight track I am willing to bet the Silvia would kick the 300ZX TT's ass, on a long more oval like one then the longer legs of the 300ZX TT would shine.

They aren't the same type of car though. Doesn't make sense to compare them as rivals.

[Omarius Maximus]

He is on base rock throwing the dollar for dollar deal in there.

If you look at the Japanese performance specs on the cars you can see apples to apples. The 300ZX TT was advertised here as a 13.7-13.9 sec car, but I don't think many could duplicate that (maybe down hill tracks :))...most were getting low to mid 14's.

Interesting was the 300zx tt and R32 GT-R had nearly the same power ratings and weight, but over 2sec difference in the 1/4.

The S14 Silvia was a low to mid 14 sec car, the S15 Silvia was a high 13 sec car.

The silvia is not really a 1/4 mile car...however; while it may be close from a dig...on a roll the silvia would smoke the 300ZX. The 300ZX is carrying about 500lbs more weight.

They are really different cars though.

Your post makes very little sense. In fact it's a bit fan boyish...So a Z32 will have trouble duplicating its high 13 second quarter mile times...but the silvia's are consistent low 14 second cars? Give me a break.

300zxs are well documented as far as the quarter mile is concerned...because they were actually imported to america..

And american's actually took them to the dragstrip and ran high 13s with them stock.

Who the hell here has documented quarter mile times for an absolutely stock S13/14 Silvia? Anyone? Bueller?

The Zs times are pure FACT. The Silvia times for the most part are speculation.

Also, the GTR isn't 2 seconds faster than the Z in the 1/4. Or else it would be doing high 11s...which would make the R32 as fast as the V35....last I checked...300ish horsepower != to 480hp.

And as far as freeway roll ons are concerned...the faster you go, the less weight has anything to do with who wins...

On the freeway, it's all horsepower, gearing and aero/drag coefficient.

Here is an example:

GSXR600: 429lbs + 150lb rider /105whp=5.51hp per pound
S2000 turbo: 2855lb +150lb driver/400whp=7.51hp per pound

The GSXR has a HUGE power to weight advantage...but again, on the freeway..it's all about horsepower and aero.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nHn6s3wCtk4

[Omarius Maximus]

You don't need 400 crank on the SR when it's about 20% lighter though...a 300ish SR should equal a 400HP 300ZXTT

Also on a short tight track I am willing to bet the Silvia would kick the 300ZX TT's ass, on a long more oval like one then the longer legs of the 300ZX TT would shine.

They aren't the same type of car though. Doesn't make sense to compare them as rivals.

I agree, they are both awesome cars and have their own appeal. But for Daily driving...if money isn't a factor..the Z is more comfortable, faster, and needs no modifications.

With the 240, your stuck with an 155hp, that gasps for breath anywhere past 5k and an overly soft suspension, crappy brakes/tires...hell...crappy everything.

The S chassis is a beautiful platform...but Jesus..it requires a lot of work...half of which isn't even legal in most states.

[alkemyst]

I agree, they are both awesome cars and have their own appeal. But for Daily driving...if money isn't a factor..the Z is more comfortable, faster, and needs no modifications.

With the 240, your stuck with an 155hp, that gasps for breath anywhere past 5k and an overly soft suspension, crappy brakes/tires...hell...crappy everything.

The S chassis is a beautiful platform...but Jesus..it requires a lot of work...half of which isn't even legal in most states.

i don't get any of that.

[water]

Also, a lot of you guys are a bit brainwashed with the SR...a redtop putting down 225-240whp on stock turbo, 91 octane? Hmmmm, thats a bit suspect. Show me dynos please.

FWIW....I would race a friend who had a bolt on SR(boost controller, intercooler, turboback) in my brothers ap1 s2k and pull consistently on him... An s2k dynos maybe 195-205 stock.


Then your friends SR was a piece of shit or he drives like dick b/c I have walked at least a dozen s2k's in my old s13 SR'd coupe with just an i/c, turboback, and boost controller (which made 247whp at 14psi, stock t25). My s15 sr at 15psi is making 303whp (afc/550's/ebc/fmic/turboback) and my friend w/ an ap2 wanted to mess around the other day...not even a close race.

[alkemyst]

Your post makes very little sense. In fact it's a bit fan boyish...So a Z32 will have trouble duplicating its high 13 second quarter mile times...but the silvia's are consistent low 14 second cars? Give me a break.

300zxs are well documented as far as the quarter mile is concerned...because they were actually imported to america..

And american's actually took them to the dragstrip and ran high 13s with them stock.

Who the hell here has documented quarter mile times for an absolutely stock S13/14 Silvia? Anyone? Bueller?

Also, the GTR isn't 2 seconds faster than the Z in the 1/4. Or else it would be doing high 11s...which would make the R32 as fast as the V35....last I checked...300ish horsepower != to 480hp.

And as far as freeway roll ons are concerned...the faster you go, the less weight has anything to do with who wins...

On the freeway, it's all horsepower, gearing and aero/drag coefficient.

Here is an example:

GSXR600: 429lbs + 150lb rider /105whp=5.51hp per pound
S2000 turbo: 2855lb +150lb driver/400whp=7.51hp per pound

The GSXR has a HUGE power to weight advantage...but again, on the freeway..it's all about horsepower and aero.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=nHn6s3wCtk4



A lot of this has to do with this is AMERICA...who the fuck is going to have a stock silvia.

Go search the japan sites, you will see PLENTY of magazine times for silvias and the Z.

The Z in Japan was tested mostly right above 14 rather than right below it. Also there were many people complaining at the time about they weren't getting the same performance. It's a fast car yes.

In Japan the GT-R was reported in the high 12's. So not really a full two seconds, more like 12.9 vs 14.2.

You are just being a fanboi to the Z. Bringing up a motorcycle vs s2000 is also showing your S2000 craving as you keep mentioning it. Plus now bringing up the VG35...it's clear you are just a desktop racer.

Like many have said the Z and Silvia are different cars. One man's luxury is another man's land yacht.

The Zs times are pure FACT. The Silvia times for the most part are speculation.

[dongoesby]

I agree, they are both awesome cars and have their own appeal. But for Daily driving...if money isn't a factor..the Z is more comfortable, faster, and needs no modifications.

With the 240, your stuck with an 155hp, that gasps for breath anywhere past 5k and an overly soft suspension, crappy brakes/tires...hell...crappy everything.

The S chassis is a beautiful platform...but Jesus..it requires a lot of work...half of which isn't even legal in most states.

Even though I agree with the facts that you mentioned, I disagree with most of your ideas. First of all JGTC is no where similar to Nascar is the US. The race that runs on a track with different turns like in Suzuka or Fuji is not like a race that keep making left hand turns in a circle.

Back to the topic. the original poster of this thread wants to pick between a 300zx and a 240sx, and seems he had already make his choice at the very first post for the Z is being more superior. However, while we are arguing the practicality and potential between the two, he has not mention what his intention/goal for the car.

For me, I own a s14 and have driven a 300zx before. I truely love the solid chasis of the Z and the smoothness of the engine. The Z is a true sports car, which its acceleration, braking and handling are a lot more superior than a entry level 240sx. Whereas, the Z is also a 2 seater vs the 240sx is 2+2. It makes sense in this way with the Z's clear differences from 240sx. It is more or less like a IS300 comparing to a Supra TT, which a IS300 owner is trying everything to convert the Surpa brake, turbo, etc to his/her sedan. Likewise, we are converting the Z's brakes to our cars.

On the other hand, after praising about the Z for its sport essential, I don't mean I don't like any peice of my S14. It is good to know that fact that it holds so much possibilities. Indeed opposing to the well known drifting aspect of Silvia, Saurus Garage's S14 currently holds the fastest FR lap time of 57 sec flat in Tsukuba. As for drag racing, I don't think it matters as long as you have a fat wallet. In fact, you will be faster by using a long nose tube body car that has two small wheel in the front. Hope my comparasion is used correctly.

It seems to me that Silvia has a lot of variety of routes that require your time and passion to find out. The Z on the other hand is already a solid sports car that start of, but due to its unpopularity of difficult modding, its potential seems narrower than the Silvia. If you are more of an advance driver, I say the well-suited Z will be for you as it also requires your skill to conquer it. And a Silvia, like everyone say, is a good base car that has the capability to go more advance along with you. And I say Silvia is more suitable for DD for its practicality of room and gasmilage over the Z.

If you like more reading about Silvia:
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=244781

[Omarius Maximus]

Then your friends SR was a piece of shit or he drives like dick b/c I have walked at least a dozen s2k's in my old s13 SR'd coupe with just an i/c, turboback, and boost controller (which made 247whp at 14psi, stock t25). My s15 sr at 15psi is making 303whp (afc/550's/ebc/fmic/turboback) and my friend w/ an ap2 wanted to mess around the other day...not even a close race.

I hate to take the wind out from under your sails, but florida is notorious for overly optimistic dynos.

In another forum I frequent, a poster asked how he could make the most amount of power for the least amount of money...this was the answer given to him:


Diode: $15
MBC: $50
3" TB: $705
Drive to Florida: $120

win.

[Omarius Maximus]

Even though I agree with the facts that you mentioned, I disagree with most of your ideas. First of all JGTC is no where similar to Nascar is the US. The race that runs on a track with different turns like in Suzuka or Fuji is not like a race that keep making left hand turns in a circle.

Back to the topic. the original poster of this thread wants to pick between a 300zx and a 240sx, and seems he had already make his choice at the very first post for the Z is being more superior. However, while we are arguing the practicality and potential between the two, he has not mention what his intention/goal for the car.

For me, I own a s14 and have driven a 300zx before. I truely love the solid chasis of the Z and the smoothness of the engine. The Z is a true sports car, which its acceleration, braking and handling are a lot more superior than a entry level 240sx. Whereas, the Z is also a 2 seater vs the 240sx is 2+2. It makes sense in this way with the Z's clear differences from 240sx. It is more or less like a IS300 comparing to a Supra TT, which a IS300 owner is trying everything to convert the Surpa brake, turbo, etc to his/her sedan. Likewise, we are converting the Z's brakes to our cars.

On the other hand, after praising about the Z for its sport essential, I don't mean I don't like any peice of my S14. It is good to know that fact that it holds so much possibilities. Indeed opposing to the well known drifting aspect of Silvia, Saurus Garage's S14 currently holds the fastest FR lap time of 57 sec flat in Tsukuba. As for drag racing, I don't think it matters as long as you have a fat wallet. In fact, you will be faster by using a long nose tube body car that has two small wheel in the front. Hope my comparasion is used correctly.

It seems to me that Silvia has a lot of variety of routes that require your time and passion to find out. The Z on the other hand is already a solid sports car that start of, but due to its unpopularity of difficult modding, its potential seems narrower than the Silvia. If you are more of an advance driver, I say the well-suited Z will be for you as it also requires your skill to conquer it. And a Silvia, like everyone say, is a good base car that has the capability to go more advance along with you. And I say Silvia is more suitable for DD for its practicality of room and gasmilage over the Z.

If you like more reading about Silvia:
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=244781

I agree 100 percent...well except for the JGTC part. JGTC is similar to nascar not because of the track layout or turns, but because of the governing body and it's rules/regulations to handicap faster cars. JGTC is more about entertainment and less about chassis design/superiority. Just because we know a ford taurus won a nascar race doesn't necessarily mean that its chassis is superior to a toyota camry. The same can be said for JGTC.

[mRclARK1]

just out of curiosity do you own a z? cause, have you ever looked in the engine bay? And, from what I understand... there's not much room to upgrade a turbo. So..... can you explain how a Z32 will perform better than a sr'ed 240sx dollar for dollar? And, if that was true, then why do you not see that many z32's being raced in comparison to silvias?

I've never seen a Z32 win a GT300 or 500. S14 and 15 both have won GT300 once. I have never seen a Z32 being used for drifting in D1 (granted I am not super hardcore d1 fan). If it was so much better dollar for dollar than a S chasis car then that would mean it would be the preferred tuning basis but it isn't.

if you really compare, you can pick upa Z32 TT for how much $? Then, you can pick up a S13 with an SR20 for how much? And then with the extra cash laying around from picking up the s13 with sr20, you can pick up a bigger turbo and some bolt on and about break even to the cost of just purchasing a z32 tt...

sorry. i think your argument is flawed.

Turbo upgrades on a Z are tricky, but don't act like they've never been done. As if the 800+hp VG Z's that are out there aren't running any kind of upgraded turbo setup. :ugh: There's turbo kits for the Z that will put it in the 500hp realm and still use the stock manifolds and mounting position. It's just a pretty tight fit is all.

Your argument about cost has some validity. However, S-chassis's are rising in price due to the popularity and have been for awhile now as we all know, and finding a decent Z for a good price is possible, just not easy. Z's will always be more pricey for their status and (somewhat) rarity and will never be as common as a 240.

I've never seen a Z32 used for drifting in D1 either. I've seen them other places however. But I'll be the first to admit they're not the ideal drift platform, but it's also always fun to do something different and unexpected.

For the record. Have owned and modified both an S-chassis SR, KA etc. and a Z32TT.

[Sileighty_85]

In Japan the GT-R was reported in the high 12's. So not really a full two seconds, more like 12.9 vs 14.2.


I have a Time Slip from the IFO here in Louisana When I raced agaist an R-34 GTR

GTR was stock except for Greddy/Trust Intake, and bigger FMIC running stock boost.

My S13 much to list, and only 12psi
But running a Stock ECU, MAF, Injectors -_-

GTR Ran a 12.5
I ran a 13.6

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/Neil_85/IMG_2199.jpg

[Siizzzoooo]

LOL @ this thread.

I've got a 94 300ZX TT that I DAILY DRIVE 350 miles per week..LOL Bought it with 70k, now I have almost 85k miles. Try driving a 400whp daily driven SR20DET. Its not as fun because you're worried about breaking something. I've been there. A 400whp 300ZX on a relatively stock setup w/ bolt ons is frikken great. I still get 20 MPGs :D

Its not hard to work on if you know your cars. SR/KA/RBs are like legos, remove and install. These require a little more effort. Oil changes are far easier than S chassis since the oil filter is litterally right next to the oil pan. Timing belt and water pump is gravy as well.

There's no reason NOT to own a Z32, other than they being more costly initially to obtain, but from there, its VERY easy to modify.

I find it sort of mind boggling that more people aren't getting into more Z32 TTs. You can find LOTS of them under 100k miles, for around 10k...Many of which had owners who took care of them, garaged them, babied them..etc

Then, you see S13s and S14s going for 3-4 grand less....ragged...run through..all of the above.

$3-4K is a small price to pay, IMO, to have a far superior car from the get-go

Like someone said, S chassis cars have become sort of "disposable" to some degree due to their low cost up front.

[MaD1337M3DRiV3r]

to the OP, just get both... i've seen very clean n/a z32s selling for 2500-3500 and the s13s a little more.

[Sileighty_85]

LOL @ this thread.

I've got a 94 300ZX TT that I DAILY DRIVE 350 miles per week..LOL Bought it with 70k, now I have almost 85k miles. Try driving a 400whp daily driven SR20DET. Its not as fun because you're worried about breaking something. I've been there. A 400whp 300ZX on a relatively stock setup w/ bolt ons is frikken great. I still get 20 MPGs :D

SR20 can handle over 500 HP on a stock Bottom so 400 is cake. It all depends on the Mechanic/tuner.
If you stay out of boost a 400 hp SR can get the same if not better

There's no reason NOT to own a Z32, other than they being more costly initially to obtain, but from there, its VERY easy to modify.

yet just as expensive,
VG=2 turbos SR=1 Turbo
VG=4 Cams SR=2 Cams
VG=6 injectors SR=4 Injectors


I find it sort of mind boggling that more people aren't getting into more Z32 TTs. You can find LOTS of them under 100k miles, for around 10k...Many of which had owners who took care of them, garaged them, babied them..etc

I picked up a 240SX for $400
Shipped home an SR20DET from Japan myself
Built the SR to handle 850HP
with tons up upgrades and mods for engine and Chassis
all this for only 8K (inculding Interior exterior Mods Also)
and already paid off so no worry on a loan payment

so for 10K you get a pretty mainly stock Z32
or for 8K you can get/build a faster, better handleing S13


Then, you see S13s and S14s going for 3-4 grand less....ragged...run through..all of the above.

Mainly the engines but the chassis are pretty good, even still a KA is cheaper/Easier to rebuild than a VG.

[mRclARK1]

I don't know who thinks Z32's are 10K for a clean one. They're more expensive then S-chassis cars, but that's because they're a better car (stock to stock) and much more rare. But 10K is still a high price. Mine was under 10K and it's clean as hell with mileage well below 100K... Well well below.

You just gotta shop around. Like S-chassis's there's always the people who are gonna try and rip you off with the high price.

[HyperTek]

back last year, there was a drop top Z32 5sp with lowering springs, bomex kit and TSW rims, looked simular to this but drop top
http://i31.tinypic.com/2cfblw9.jpg

That was for sale, salvage, but the car was sexy as fawk, i test drove it and its fucking nice, I was gonna get it if my benz had sold, which i ended up trading for a badass FC, but now im having thoughts about that Z32 drop top, wouldnt be to expensive to do... Sure its gonna lack performance but shit is sexy as hell and you always have the potential to drop a TT motor into it.

Still sexy cars
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-eYBF8iDQnw

If you like to tinker with cars and perfer lightweight and handling, go 240sx
If you rather go for looks with power/quality, go Z32

[drift freaq]

I honestly have to say if your gonna start talking about spending 10k on a Z32 TT you might as well spend a little more and go out and buy 03-04 350Z.

[HyperTek]

oh and i think a slighty modded Z32 on coilovers and rims would be easier/more friendly to daily drive over a modded S13/s14 souly for theft and police problems

[HyperTek]

u buy one like this for $800 http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/car/680806959.html

then swap a motor and bam u just drive it around, its eventually gonna be a project lol
2+2 but fuck it.. be unique.. make the extra lenght to ur advantage crazy wangan car lol

dam this one is actually tasteful http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/car/676902747.html

[Def]

A stock RPS13 in Japan would most definitely be a low-mid 14 second car. I did my swap on an otherwise stock S13(suspension, steelies, everything). I had a little weight out of the car, and an exhaust and Trust turbo outlet done at the time of the swap.

The car at stock boost was just a hair faster than my friend's '95 M3 that ran about 14.2-14.4 at 98 mph. So I was probably about a 14 flat car.

The exhaust helped things, as in this same setup it put out 205 rwhp, 200 rwtq. So stock it's definitely a low-mid 14 second car.

[drift freaq]

I Just compared gas mileage on a TT vs a 350z the 350Z wins. If I am going to spend 10k on a car then I am going to get a 350Z at that point a 300ZX is not worth the money. Now for 6K it might but hell I will just stick with doing my VQ powered S13.

[idriveattz32]

Factoring in initial purchase cost of the two cars used, I would get a 240SX because any 300ZX-TT worth buying is usually overpriced so you will have to shell out a few extra grand to purchase it if you get a car loan. A 240SX is such a simple car that if its a little run down it might still run fairly well and cost pennies compared to a well mainted Z32...I've owned both just so you know.

Now you can argue that finding a poorly running NA Z32 and swapping in a TT motor is good option and I would agree but that depends on if you want to buy a running car or not. The JDM clips are fairly cheap to buy and while you're swapping motors you have the oppertunity to make some nice affordable reliable upgrades before you put it in the other chassis. Although, you could easily to the samething with a 240SX and probably come out cheaper and less bruised.

Parts availablity for both cars is also something to consider, Nissan has already begun discontinueing parts on the Z32, the 240SX still has tons of parts you can buy new not to mention used. Dont get me wrong though, you can still find almost everything you need for a Z32 used or new from twinturbo.net and its vendors.

As for performance purposes, this will come down to preferences really. lets assume both cars have fine running engines needing no additional rebuilds etc (KA and VGDETT) and a simple AGX/eibach with camber adjustments suspension since they're both available for both cars to make all things equal:

You can turbo the KA from $500-$3000 (depends on how thrifty/crafty you are) and make roughly 325whp reliably with gobs of torque and a drivetrain to handle it and you'll have a fast fun spirited car that will give lots of cars a run for their money, especially on the twisties.

On the 300ZX-TT, again assuming good rebuilt turbos. you can up the boost safely to 15psi with a JWT stage 3 ECU plus supporting parts (turbo back exhaust, air intake, upgraded intercooler/pipings) for about $4k max and put down close to 375whp with gobbs of torque and you'll have a still faster car that will make for a great track car and highway cruiser.

I think with either car spending the same amount of money on parts will essentially get you equally great cars. I think the Z and its engine handles HP better in that it has a slighly larger power band and is more stable at speed. The 240SX however gives you a much funner power/weight ratio and better corner grip due to its smaller/lighter chassis.

The only thing going against a Z in my book is its initial purchase. You're going to have to spend more than $9k on a 1990+ for a TT to be worth buying and even thats going to require searching around and if you go the cheap route and get a rundown or cheaper NA and do a swap, you're going to spend quite a bit of money and time restoring and buying the more complicated components that make up the TT-Z.

For one performaning against another, I think a Z will always need an additional 150+hp, suspension and -500lbs to be able to compete against a 300whp, suspension equipped 240SX...on a track at least.

If its unclear I think the 300ZX makes for a better daily driver and street car if you want 400ish hp as its powerband, weight, wide stance and more aero designed body are more stable/linear on the road.

Its kind of how I feel about my G35 coupe, I love the car, for driving around the streets and occasionaly spirited drives its power, handling and comfort/features are ideal for me, but if I were to want to get into more car events like racing/drifting, I would opt to have something smaller,
lighter and cheaper i.e. the 240SX.

Obviously if money wasnt a concern and I had to choose only between the two, I could go with a 300ZX NA hardtop and swap in a TT engine making roughly 500/500 gut the sh!t out of the interior, lexan windows, full SPL suspension and have a blast.

I hope that helps, it seems to be the consensus of the group I would think.

[articdragon192]

The VQ is definitely a vast improvement. I would love to see someone drop a VQ in a Z32.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7LQ6pWZsY


I've never seen a Z32 used for drifting in D1 either. I've seen them other places however. But I'll be the first to admit they're not the ideal drift platform, but it's also always fun to do something different and unexpected.


There is actually one drifting in D1 right now.

And some pics to win people over.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/DSCF0027_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/536pnom.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/ffa0ae0e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/z1.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/z2.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/RedSlammedZ.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/phrd08no003bmy1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/ph_rd08_no034b.jpg


Z32s are awesome daily drivers.

[LS240]

Just do a VQ35 Z32 lol. Lighter and far sexier than a 350Z. Now that I've been thinking about it for a few days, I think I want both a VQ 240SX and a VQ 300ZX. Strip the 240 for absolute balls out performance, keep the Z32 pretty stock/comfortable. Sounds like a plan lol. And I owe it all to you Drift Freaq!

Oh and one more thing to consider and add to this little debate: If you're talking convertible versions, that's not even a contest, the 300ZX vert is just wayyyyy sexier! Personally I think the 300ZX convertible is one of the best looking droptops ever made, period. I mean, just look at that video a few posts up! :bowdown:

[Omarius Maximus]

FWIW, a VG30DETT front clip should be a bit cheaper than an SR clip, due to demand. My brother purchased a motorset w/turbos for 700 dollars from an importer in LA.

[alkemyst]

I have a Time Slip from the IFO here in Louisana When I raced agaist an R-34 GTR

GTR was stock except for Greddy/Trust Intake, and bigger FMIC running stock boost.

My S13 much to list, and only 12psi
But running a Stock ECU, MAF, Injectors -_-

GTR Ran a 12.5
I ran a 13.6



I am not sure if you are in disagreement with me, but I am agreeing with you. if the R34 was roughly stock that is a typical time. Your S13 at 12psi is with no tuning is also typical.

13.6 is nothing to sneeze at :)

[alkemyst]

FWIW, a VG30DETT front clip should be a bit cheaper than an SR clip, due to demand. My brother purchased a motorset w/turbos for 700 dollars from an importer in LA.

what....wait???!?

[atom]

I would say thats an unusually good deal depending on the condition. But yeah in general VG's are cheaper than SR's nowadays.

Had a Z32, now a S14. Wouldn't switch back but Z32's are cool. Only the 2+2's though like the Pentroof and Cockpit Z's. I hate the 2 seaters. 2+2 with the TT swap is the way to go.

[undercoverdjay]

Everything Said.




I agree 110% with Omarius. Everything he's telling....I'm living. Again, I own both. And lets not turn this into an SR debate (as this board is saturated with SR swapped cars) but, think about sheer physics. It's a 2.0L 4 Cylinder with the capability to rev to the moon (mods permitting). It's an enticing platform, sure, but at the end of the day....there really is no replacement for displacement. It's an old adage that holds true again and again.

I own a 91 300ZX TT, an RB25 swapped S13 coupe, had an SR swapped hatch (still have the hatch, just swapped the SR ), and now the same SR swapped into a vert. Honestly, the SR is a cool engine, but I went with an inline 6 for a reason.

Back on to the dollar to HP gain....I have basic mods, everything listed by Omarius, and quite frankly my car runs mid 12s.

I absolutely love all of my cars, and have no desire to sell any of them. Well the coupe when I pull the RB out and put the KA back in, sure. Comparing the Z32 to an S13 really is apples to oranges. Write down on paper what you want, and start comparing the car for YOUR needs, not a bunch of guys on a message board. They are 2 different cars intended for totally different purposes. They were built for 2 totally different crowds. And keep in mind the 240SX was essentially marketed as a womans car. Salesmen would sell the husband a Z32, and tack on the $15,000 240SX for his secretary wife ;) I own them, so dont flame....but it's true.

[Sileighty_85]

I am not sure if you are in disagreement with me, but I am agreeing with you.
Nah just hard evidence & general info


if the R34 was roughly stock that is a typical time.

It was all stock except the mods listed.


Your S13 at 12psi is with no tuning is also typical.


I wanted to crank my boost up but i couldnt remember which way to turn my MBC lol so I left it where it was.


13.6 is nothing to sneeze at :)

Is that good? lol

[HyperTek]

this comparison is like comparing a ae86 to a supra...
some people like cheap, with the idea they can fix the car to be better.... then some people like top of the line flagship with cash to spend on it.

[f1nch]

thanks for all the replys guys!

The car is going to be a daily driver / track slut with the goal to eventually be a fully gutted track queen.

Road Racing/Autocross

I drive a Z31 now and thats already a serious b*tch to work on. I cant imagine the TT z32.

I do however intend to do all the work on so ease of installation does play a big factor.

Another thing i've noticed as I know its subjective but.. when i see pics of Z's hooked up i dont get the same feeling of seeing a hooked up 240sx. IMHO theyre prettier.

Ive owned an s13 back in the day and I think its time to go back.

You guys have made a lot of really great points though. Another one I dont think anybody mentioned is resale value. Theres a big difference between restored/modded z's and 240's.

[mRclARK1]

If your plan is for a DD for any amount of time? Go with an S-Chassis, which is what it sounds like you're planning anyway. I love my TT Z, but wouldn't have even considered one without having a DD of some form. Just on gas prices alone that's not a wise choice. I'd rather drive my 30+mpg VW to work and class everyday then my Z, no matter how much fun it is.

As far as resale value? That's a no brainer, in the long run, the Z will always win that one. No question. Especially the rarer they become.

[water]

A lot of the responses to my SR idea are coming off a bit defensive. I never said it as a better engine than a VG nor did I mention potential hp or anything like that. I am also well aware of the benefits of displacement as well. I said it was lighter, easier to work on, and easier/cheaper to modify. You may disagree but having worked w/ numerous SR's and a couple VG's, its what i've seen. Plus its what I'm comfortable with.

[water]

I hate to take the wind out from under your sails, but florida is notorious for overly optimistic dynos.

In another forum I frequent, a poster asked how he could make the most amount of power for the least amount of money...this was the answer given to him:

240ish whp is pretty standard for a bolt on t25 sr. Idk what point you're trying to make here. Sure, FL is at sea level which helps but its also hot as hell and humidity is extremely high. Does Florida make s2000's slower too?

[articdragon192]

And it's found. Z32 in D1. On DG-5s. Nice.
Mission Aero
Mission GT wing
Mission lip spoiler
Real Speed Roof spoiler
Real Speed Hood
Wedsports wheels
Ganador mirrors it seems like
Origin front fenders
Mission rear fenders with vented molded out
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/gallery/albums/D1Fuji2008/normal_IMG_5874.jpg
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/gallery/albums/D1Fuji2008/normal_IMG_5835.jpg
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/gallery/albums/D1Fuji2008/normal_IMG_5913.jpg

I LOVE IT!

[coreansurfer]

super hotness

[mRclARK1]

What surprises me is that it's a 2+2 model. Woulda thought it'd be a coupe. Not sure why really.

[atom]

A lot of the built Z32's in Japan are 2+2's. I would say the majority even.

[articdragon192]

What surprises me is that it's a 2+2 model. Woulda thought it'd be a coupe. Not sure why really.

2+2s are more common in Japan. Hell, most JDM aero is built for the 2+2. 2+2 is the better chassis because of it's longer wheel base.

[luftrofl]

What surprises me is that it's a 2+2 model. Woulda thought it'd be a coupe. Not sure why really.

The longer wheelbase ~= more stability?

Not entirely sure on that... but my Z32 (2+0) felt kinda twitchy when it was anywhere near sideways.

[mRclARK1]

A lot of the built Z32's in Japan are 2+2's. I would say the majority even.

2+2s are more common in Japan. Hell, most JDM aero is built for the 2+2. 2+2 is the better chassis because of it's longer wheel base.

You're both telling this to someone who has a 2+2 JDM Z32 sitting in his garage. :aw:

I just thought it would be a coupe, I don't know why, or real logic to it.

[Caramaniac]

The 300zx is the king of the highway, yes a 240sx will own at autocross over a Z but so will a Honda CRX. A 240sx CANNOT however cruise at 140mph down the highway with a relatively quite interior and the AC on while maintaining a solid feel. Yes I have owned both cars.

Z's are NOT that hard to work on if you have patience. With an ECU, exhaust, and a pop charger my 92TT dyno'ed at 320RWHP and I've buried the needle on my speedo at +160mph.

All of the 240sx superiority jargon begins with, you need to swap the motor. That seems like more work than some bolt ons.

The Z is heavy but a swapped NA can be pretty light
NA 2-seater w/o T-Tops, 5-speed: 3300 lbs
NA 2-seater w/ T-Tops, 5-speed: 3350 lbs
NA 2-seater w/ T-Tops, automatic: 3379 lbs
NA 2-seater convertible, 5-speed: 3446 lbs
NA 2-seater convertible, automatic: 3475 lbs
NA 2+2, 5-speed: 3414 lbs
NA 2+2, automatic: 3443 lbs
Twin Turbo, 5-speed: 3518 lbs
Twin Turbo, automatic: 3556 lbs

Earlier there was talk of an SR20 300zx which is a cool idea, someone did it over here and it was always pretty interesting to me. I don't think he kept it in but you can see some pictures of it in the engine bay.
http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=103866&highlight=sr20+300zx&page=3

[OptionZero]

did the TT ever come in a hardtop?

[Caramaniac]

Not sold here, that's why you're a super cool Z guy if you have TT Slicktop, TT vert, or TT 2+2.

Hope my last post didn't seem like I was hating on the 240s, my first car was an S14 and I loved it. I really noticed the difference between the two driving from Sacramento to LA. The 240 seems most at home at freeway speeds and slower while tearing up turns, the Z however just seems like it was made to run at 120mph with some nice long curved roads.

If I did most my driving in a city I'd take the 240 any day. If you're spending time on the freeway or country roads a lot the Z just ownz.

[Drifter757]

O o O o O o O o O o O o

I've got a 2+2 TT :)

I'm super cool Z guy!

[jt1583]

The 240sx is a better car in the long run if you are modifying ( IMO ).

300zx just doesn't have the same potentiality....



picture is tight because it shows cars that are considered better in the background behind him

Yes they are about to lap him.

[Drifter757]

Yes they are about to lap him.

Other way round dude. SPL 300zx is one of the fastest cars in its class. I think last year they came in second behind a race prepped NSX. I believe the guy at SPL was joking around that the NSX had more money in its suspension than than SPL had in their entire car :drool:

[mRclARK1]

Other way round dude. SPL 300zx is one of the fastest cars in its class. I think last year they came in second behind a race prepped NSX. I believe the guy at SPL was joking around that the NSX had more money in its suspension than than SPL had in their entire car :drool:

Anyone who thinks a decently modified Z32 is not capable of competing within that class of cars is just retarded.

[[email protected]]

I know I have not done a great job of marketing SPL's accomplishments, but this is ridiculous...

Just to review how we did in competition

2007 Redline Time Attack California Speedway
2nd in Modified class. We beat GMG's modfied Porsche GT2 that won the limited class Super Street time attack in 2006, but lost to the Factor-X NSX (we were leading but broke a shifter linkage in the last session).

2007 Redline Time Attack Buttonwillow
2nd in Modified class, first time ever on this track, 1:55 lap with old Nitto NT01s, in 95deg weather. Lost to Factor-X NSX again, with their new 3-way Motons (grrr)

2007 Grassroots Motorsports Ultimate Track Car Challenge
I went and changed a bunch of things just before this event -- full cage, coilovers, etc. Finished 4th in class, behind a FIA spec Viper Comp Coupe, a race-prepped 680hp Mosler MT900S and a race-prepped 630rwhp Noble M400. We beat Buschur Racing's time attack Evo. We did this with approx. 2900lbs of weight and ~420hp, first outing ever on this track, coilovers/tire pressures not dialed in, and only running 2 sessions out of 4 (we were ahead of the Noble until the final session, when I forgot to latch the hood). Our lap time for VIR North is 1:35.9, in comparison these are the NASA lap *records* as of May 2007 for VIR North:

http://www.splparts.com/events/grm0707/nasalaprecords0507.jpg

Now, is this a "decently" modified 300ZX? No, it is an *extremely* modified 300ZX, this was more to showcase what we can do to make what is thought of as a heavy car, to handle well. The 300zx can be a fun track car within a reasonable effort (money and labor wise), but to get it to where it can beat Nobles and Moslers and modified Z06s/Vipers, well that takes ALOT.

Comparing the 300ZX and the 240SX, well the 300ZX may have some advantages in front suspension geometry and aerodynamics. But the 240SX parts are *much* cheaper, and the chassis is lighter, and there is a lot more room in the engine bay and interior. I would say all in all, the 240SX is easier to modify.

[Drifter757]

Kuah ftw!

Can you post up some pics and vids of your race car?

<<--- I've bought a few things from SPL. Great shop!

[mRclARK1]

By decently I meant A LOT of modifications. Did you really think I meant a couple grand for some bolt ons and a weekend in the garage would do the trick?

[HyperTek]

http://i27.tinypic.com/11ih9iu.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/i1irlk.jpg

yummy!

[articdragon192]

Like I said, The Z32 is an awesome GT car. It loves high speeds. So stable. And looks more badass IMO.

[[email protected]]

Can you post up some pics and vids of your race car?

<<--- I've bought a few things from SPL. Great shop!

Thanks! I have put up the ones from the Ultimate Track Car Challenge and Buttonwillow on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=splparts

Some pages from the SPL site, I was planning to update these pages but have not gotten around to some of them yet:

http://www.splparts.com/events/redline0207/

http://www.splparts.com/events/redline0407/

http://www.splparts.com/events/grm0707/

Here is the page about the car itself:

http://www.splparts.com/tuning/kuahz32/

[LS240]

This picture is just beautiful!

http://www.splparts.com/Events/GRM0707/DSC_0171.jpg

[JayDee M Rolly]

And it's found. Z32 in D1. On DG-5s. Nice.
Mission Aero
Mission GT wing
Mission lip spoiler
Real Speed Roof spoiler
Real Speed Hood
Wedsports wheels
Ganador mirrors it seems like
Origin front fenders
Mission rear fenders with vented molded out
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/gallery/albums/D1Fuji2008/normal_IMG_5874.jpg
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/gallery/albums/D1Fuji2008/normal_IMG_5835.jpg
http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/gallery/albums/D1Fuji2008/normal_IMG_5913.jpg

I LOVE IT!
i wonder who found these for you

[3D-sOn]

The z32s are very amazing cars with some having the twin turbo engines lots of hp 270+ the 240sx are more of a turner car having around 155hp witht he k24de. In overall i love the 240sx better

[alkemyst]

The z32s are very amazing cars with some having the twin turbo engines lots of hp 270+ the 240sx are more of a turner car having around 155hp witht he k24de. In overall i love the 240sx better

Was this a joke? I missed the sarcasm if so.

[Boost Almighty]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Unique3z/300zx1.jpg

S-Chassis or Z-Chassis. Both beautiful cars.

[mRclARK1]

^^^Not to mention that Z body is stock.

[articdragon192]

Haha, yeah. A stock Z being compared to a modified 240 body-wise. I love it. Stock Zs look great to begin with. With some subtle changes here and there, they look amazing.

[luftrofl]

^^^Not to mention that Z body is stock.

That looks like a Stillen lip to me :ugh:

[articdragon192]

That looks like a Stillen lip to me :ugh:

Right you are.

[mRclARK1]

That looks like a Stillen lip to me :ugh:

Right you are. I missed that.

So you have a Z with a lip being compared to a fully kitted S14.

[articdragon192]

A stock looking lip at that, lol. Fuck man, we're all over this thread, lol.
Oh look, new pics!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/My%20Fairlady/img2367es4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/My%20Fairlady/img2367es4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ArticDragon192/My%20Fairlady/Cruise031a.jpg

[Boost Almighty]

damn articdragon, loving your z especially that mirror shot.

also, to clear things up. the z has a front lip with a side & rear kit. stock body lines with a little flavor.

here's a side shot of my z.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Unique3z/DSC01230.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Unique3z/DSC00863.jpg

[mRclARK1]

^^^Nice Z

I should get some pics of my Z to post up in here. :rawk: haha

[articdragon192]

That a GTR wing?

[Boost Almighty]

^^ Yup. And your sig is straight up owned haha

[LongGrain]

Right you are. I missed that.

So you have a Z with a lip being compared to a fully kitted S14.

what are you getting at? he just posted a pic with a nice looking z and a nice looking s, he said they were both nice cars. there was no comparison...

[mRclARK1]

what are you getting at? he just posted a pic with a nice looking z and a nice looking s, he said they were both nice cars. there was no comparison...

Not getting at anything. More just correcting my previous statement of the Z being stock bodied. They're both nice looking cars, but the Z is much closer to its stock look then the S14. Two nice cars parked side by side, it's only natural to compare them. Comparison does not imply one is better in any way. Not sure why you find that worth commenting on.