torque damper

[Vinny]

So I have a 1995 240sx with a ka24de and I just got my torque dampener from genki tuning but it didn't come with instructions. I called the company and asked if they had any or were able to get a copy of any instructions on how to install it and they still had nothing.

Checked around the net, but closes thing I could find is a video of before/after youtube clips of a torque damper effects.

Does anyone know how to install one? I've been trying all different possible ways, but the bracket they sent with it makes no sense in how to position it to fit on properly.

Any help would be greatful. Thanks!

[agustin lopez]

you need to modify it. possibly a new bracket. ive never found a torque dampener for the ka, then again i could be totaly wrong. good luck!

[Vinny]

The thing is though, I emailed the company before I purchased it and the guy said it was for the us-version 240sx and doesn't work with "swap engines" So that kind of throws me off.

If I have to modifiy it, how so?

[adrians_s13]

well.. i know for the sr, theres open threaded holes above the ex. mani that you screw them into... I guess just look for something that you can thread the screws in. hell, ghetto fab it to a valve cover screw if you need to, i guess?

[markyboi]

you have to cut the mounting bracket to the block to make it fit the ka

[Vinny]

Any other options guys? I just tried again with a friend. We tried heating the bracket and bending it, but genki tuning makes some quality welds, lol

I'm considering just going to a metal shop and have someone make a custom bracket for me. I can't believe it's just a bracket preventing me from putting it on.

[S14DB]

The circle bracket goes on the shock tower and the little one on the head.

[Vinny]

thank you mister obvious. :squint:

[S14DB]

pictures would help...

[!Zar!]

You should just sell it and buy new motor mounts.

[Vinny]

I'll try to get pictures tomorrow guys.
As for motor mounts, I wanted to get the torque damper in order to save the motor mounts. If it didn't, new motor mounts were my second option, but while I have this TD, I figured, why not try and figure out a way to install it and help out the community in how to modify or adjust?

[projectRDM]

If you mount it on the passenger side there's two places it lines up the KA intake manifold. One is on top, one behind. Both will require you to drill/tap, but they work without a bracket at all.

No, I don't have pics. Mount it and set it across the manifold, if you don't see where it lines up you're blind.

[Vinny]

I actually tried that last night too. I saw the 2 spots.
Would it be as efficient though compared to original spot is my question. I'll also have to have someone drill/tap it for me if I go that route.

Thanks!

[bigOdom1]

it would be more efficient to get new motor mounts

[projectRDM]

I actually tried that last night too. I saw the 2 spots.
Would it be as efficient though compared to original spot is my question. I'll also have to have someone drill/tap it for me if I go that route.

Thanks!

The damper is nothing more than a rod. Mounted on either side it does the exact same thing.

[neukin]

how long is that shock? measure the center of one bolt hole to the other. if you want it just alittle compressed between the brackets give me that measurement. Ill make a bracket for ya just lmk where you kinda want it mounted or what points you want to use otherwise ill make my best judgment.

btw how much was your kit?

[Vinny]

awesome, when I got home from work I'll try to get some measurements and pictures done.

I got the kit on ebay from genki tuning.
All together with shipping it turned to about $50.
There's no complaints in quality or pieces broken, it's just not a bracket for the ka motor, lol

[steve shadows]

Honestly comparing a couple cars we have installed them on and tracked. they do very little to improve anything compared to installing the appropriate stiffness or new racing motor mount.

I reccomend Nismo (for a car that will street use at all)

I reccomend Peak (for race car only)

cheers

[johngriff]

I'd rather use a turnbuckle with rubber bushings on the ends than a shock absorber. Its going to die, don't worry.

[punxva]

some ghetto guys around here, well not really ghetto but took this idea from japan, he just put an exhaust hanger and ziptied it to his strut tower bar in between the motor. or just get a bar and weld it to your strut tower bar bracket and make a bracket for it to bolt to the motor with

[Vinny]

Alright, got some pics guys.
Bracket is burnt and shit cuz a friend and I were trying to heat and bend it ourselves. It was working, but it was just ALOT of effort.
You can see in the last pic, that they welded a small bracket on there to reinforce it.
I'll try to get pictures of it displayed on the car tomorrow, but atleast now you know what the bracket looks like.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1594/dsc09716pv4.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5654/dsc09717zj4.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5006/dsc09718ev1.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3020/dsc09719ln5.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9195/dsc09720tg0.jpg

[S14DB]

I'd rather use a turnbuckle with rubber bushings on the ends than a shock absorber. Its going to die, don't worry.

If you cut most of them open they are rubber bushing not a gas/oil.


That's an SR bracket they gave you.

[alkemyst]

well.. i know for the sr, theres open threaded holes above the ex. mani that you screw them into... I guess just look for something that you can thread the screws in. hell, ghetto fab it to a valve cover screw if you need to, i guess?

valve cover bolt would be retarded. You'd be leaking at that spot in a day.

AFAIK the only torque dampers I have ever seen offered for the KA were just SR ones sold with 'modifications may be needed'.

What's the link to the product?

[Vinny]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310039877131&ssPageName=STRK:MEAFB:IT

funny thing is, on their picture they don't show the welded piece on the bracket there, but on the part they delivered there is. Kinda makes me mad.

[s13silvia123]

its ebay crap

just get new motor mounts and it'll be better. torquew dampeners are just temperary solutions.

[Vinny]

...actually, it's pretty good quality. The welds are pretty damn good too.
You people are giving me no help in telling me to get motor mounts when I already bought the damn torque damper.

[alkemyst]

its ebay crap

just get new motor mounts and it'll be better. torquew dampeners are just temperary solutions.

Torque Dampeners have a different purpose than what mounts do.

They are the modern version of bolting a piece of chain to the body from the head.

There is not much to them though. You just need a solid engine mount and solid body mount. The shock is to make it not so harsh as well as not so 'breaking'.

Some high powered monsters in the day would rip the chain out of the body mount...along with the mount itself.

[ill_concepts]

this is why you dont buy off ebay.. make your own bracket that looks like ur only option, good luck

[projectRDM]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310039877131&ssPageName=STRK:MEAFB:IT

funny thing is, on their picture they don't show the welded piece on the bracket there, but on the part they delivered there is. Kinda makes me mad.

Had you read the ad though you'd see where it says 'Silvia S14'. Although a lot of shit nowadays is written to confuse, denoting Silvia would more than likely mean it's designed to fit an SR. There's also no mention anywhere of a KA, hence it being 'wrong' in your eyes, but you actually just bought the wrong piece. Either way you can bolt it to the intake just like I said and throw the bracket in the scrap pile.

[projectRDM]

this is why you dont buy off ebay.. make your own bracket that looks like ur only option, good luck

Ebay or not, no one makes a KA damper. He could have paid twice the money for a name brand piece and got the exact same thing.

[Vinny]

I stated before, I emailed the guy and he said it was for the US version 240sx and he said it didn't work with "swapped engines"

I don't order unless I know it's for right car, I'm not that dumb.

Unfortunately, the company has no business with car knowledge, they just sell the parts. Which I found out the hardway as well.

[Vinny]

btw, I'm talking with a local shop that might be able to make a bracket for me. So I'll keep you guys updated when/if things pull through.

[codyace]

Ebay or not, no one makes a KA damper. He could have paid twice the money for a name brand piece and got the exact same thing.

For damn sure

A friend of mine bought some fancy whiz ding one, and I got the one from Phase2....I paid half as much, and when we got them, I couldn't honestly tell the difference. Both were hard as hell/impossible to compress, and now 2 yearslater they both are equally hard to compress.

I love mine, as it took alot of the nonsense vibration out of the steering wheel.

[alkemyst]

Had you read the ad though you'd see where it says 'Silvia S14'. Although a lot of shit nowadays is written to confuse, denoting Silvia would more than likely mean it's designed to fit an SR. There's also no mention anywhere of a KA, hence it being 'wrong' in your eyes, but you actually just bought the wrong piece. Either way you can bolt it to the intake just like I said and throw the bracket in the scrap pile.

QFT...if the guy emailed you and said it was specifically for a KA24DE then his auction is messed up as the S14 Silvia is not the US 240SX.

That part is for a SR though.

[Vinny]

Thanks for that clarification that I already knew....?

anyways, Mods can close this now. I'm done speaking about this if people are gonna say the same things over and over and state the obvious.

[alkemyst]

Thanks for that clarification that I already knew....?

anyways, Mods can close this now. I'm done speaking about this if people are gonna say the same things over and over and state the obvious.

no need to get pissy over the rest of us reading the auction and letting you know that that part is not for a KA.

Since you already knew this though, I don't get the post...?

If that seller told you it was for a KA24DE, I'd neg it with that as the reason, dont know why they'd lie about it though.

[Vinny]

I'm not getting pissy about it, it's just that the posts are just obvious statements over and over.

I was simply just looking in how I could modify the bracket piece as in to save it, but in the cases explained, I'm better off making a new bracket or installing it on the passengerside to the intake mani.

Case closed.

I don't understand the seller either in why they would lie to me, but I have negative repped them and they haven't even responded with any sort of feedback. So that's the end of them.

Genki tuning = Fail

[codyace]

The only thing I could foresee odd about doing it on the passenger side, is that it won't use the 'shock' itself, and isntead use the limit of it as a 'keep' or 'limit' sort to speak....

[S14DB]

So, these things make stiff engine mounts less harsh?

[alkemyst]

I don't understand the seller either in why they would lie to me, but I have negative repped them and they haven't even responded with any sort of feedback. So that's the end of them.

Genki tuning = Fail

You came here asking for some help on this, us stating the obvious was because none of the above understood what you were not getting. Now you act like we are the fucktards.

Also it's feedback on ebay not rep....you only gave them a neutral though (and a very nice neutral at that), are you the one being dishonest or them?

[Vinny]

I didn't call anyone a fucktard nor put anyone down.

As for not understanding? You're not in elementary school I presume...so how could modifying an sr bracket to a ka be a hard concept? hah...you guys amaze me.

sorry, I didn't get a negative "feedback". I'm just not an asshole like that, ok? I wasn't raised to just not give a flying fuck and rampage everywhere.

ANYWAYS, talk all you want, moving on to other things. Have a good day everyone. Weekends almost here

[alkemyst]

I didn't call anyone a fucktard nor put anyone down.

As for not understanding? You're not in elementary school I presume...so how could modifying an sr bracket to a ka be a hard concept? hah...you guys amaze me.

sorry, I didn't get a negative "feedback". I'm just not an asshole like that, ok? I wasn't raised to just not give a flying fuck and rampage everywhere.

ANYWAYS, talk all you want, moving on to other things. Have a good day everyone. Weekends almost here

man you have no clue how you sound to others do you? I bolded above for
emphasis.

Anyways according to you it was a KA bracket you have. None of us thought so, nor thought it would have been hard to figure out what to do.

You did / are acting like an asshole though and apparently a liar as well. I am willing to bet just as you didn't really leave a negative feedback you also did not have a conversation that the part works for a KA24DE either.

[94_240sx]

Is this going to help? Comment is...

"thats my boy's 240..but if im not mistaken..he used the one for the sr20...he just cut off one of the bolt places and it goes right on to the ka...but ill find out for sure for u if u really wanna know..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooXXeO3swy8&feature=related

Here's before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8jksM-WXw&feature=user

[steve shadows]

I'd rather use a turnbuckle with rubber bushings on the ends than a shock absorber. Its going to die, don't worry.

Most of them dont have a shock absorber at all.

Have you ever opened one up?

It might as well be a solid piece of steel

[Slidin240Wayz]

Most of them dont have a shock absorber at all.

I would like to see one that does.

That would be very interesting.

[waynehead05]

Man this has gotten way off topic. Who cares what they're made of. They work for the purpose intended and it just takes little modification on a ka. Enough said.

[Vinny]

If I could post the phone conversation with the company I had, things would probably be more of a laughter here, but unfortunately no.

My apologize if I do/am coming off like an asshole and seem so noob.
I'm honestly not here to fight over the net and talk shit. Just wanted simple help.

[!Zar!]

Just fucking buy engine mounts.

Stop wasting money on crap just so you can have more shit under your hood.

NOBODY makes one for a KA. They all are for SR's. You have to make the SR one fit.

Fucking buy some engine mounts like I and a few others stated earlier and just shut the fuck up.

[johngriff]

Man this has gotten way off topic. Who cares what they're made of. They work for the purpose intended and it just takes little modification on a ka. Enough said.

They really don't work for the purpose intended. This type of mount started with euro FWD cars oem, and some cart stuff. They didn't use shock absorbers or fake ones for that matter.

Everyone in this thread is right, get stiffer lower mounts and it will be fine.

And jesus the first aftermarket one of these I saw was from a shop called aerodyne, then witnessed them breaking on 7 different cars. So i don't believe they "all work just fine no problem". My opinion of them is that they are truly worthless.

[projectRDM]

And finally, to beat the horse some more, you do not need to make a bracket, period. It bolts right to the engine without a bracket, just drill/tap one hole. Done. You could have it installed a week ago instead of fiddling with the bracket or trying to make a new one.

[travypoo]

im not sure if it will work the same on an s14 but this is what my old 240 looked like with that installed. i just got a longer bolt on the intake mani and bolted it down, worked great

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/travypoo/travscar3-2.jpg

[alkemyst]

And finally, to beat the horse some more, you do not need to make a bracket, period. It bolts right to the engine without a bracket, just drill/tap one hole. Done. You could have it installed a week ago instead of fiddling with the bracket or trying to make a new one.

waiting for "but I knew that already" lol.

[94_240sx]

im not sure if it will work the same on an s14 but this is what my old 240 looked like with that installed. i just got a longer bolt on the intake mani and bolted it down, worked great

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/travypoo/travscar3-2.jpg

Do you have a larger or close up picture?
What kind of cold air intake is that? Looks clean.

[Neejay]

The only thing I could foresee odd about doing it on the passenger side, is that it won't use the 'shock' itself, and isntead use the limit of it as a 'keep' or 'limit' sort to speak....

That's what I was thinking. Like maxing out the height of a shock, and pulling up instead of pushing down on it...

[projectRDM]

That's what I was thinking. Like maxing out the height of a shock, and pulling up instead of pushing down on it...

If it was indeed a shock that would be an issue, but as it's been said these things have no actual hydraulic or pneumatic tension, it's just a solid rod fitted into a hollow cylinder. It's the same as just bolting a piece of angle iron to the engine in theory, only you get some adjustment from it and it's really pretty.

[travypoo]

Do you have a larger or close up picture?
What kind of cold air intake is that? Looks clean.

i dont have any more pics but it bolts right up to the intake mani right on the same bracket as the throttle cable from what i recall. i made that intake myself accually, goes down into the wheel well and whatnot :aw:

[steve shadows]

Just fucking buy engine mounts.

Stop wasting money on crap just so you can have more shit under your hood.

NOBODY makes one for a KA. They all are for SR's. You have to make the SR one fit.

Fucking buy some engine mounts like I and a few others stated earlier and just shut the fuck up.

Thank you


...even though I want to ******* you in your sleep.

thank you your right.

[alkemyst]

...even though I want to analsex you in your sleep.

......
:eek2:
......

[codyace]

They really don't work for the purpose intended. This type of mount started with euro FWD cars oem, and some cart stuff. They didn't use shock absorbers or fake ones for that matter.


Torque braces have been around since the '50s sucka ;)

Solid mount torque braces are also very common in domestic applications (car and truck), and in some higher cars that don't use motorplates.

The thing I got from phase 2 forever ago is essentially a solid rod, with two rubber bushings in the middle...so essentially solid, but the little rubber guys keep it from being so.

On my car, I loved them. In the same aspect, I am a sissy with my turbo car, and hate rattles/squeaks and the sort, so this thing worked for me (mines adjusted tight as well.


I'd spend the 50 bucks or whatever they cost someplace else first, but I can't say they are junk (or at least mine isn't)

[brently300]

ok so i know this is a 4yr old thread but i had the same problem. bought the damper that said it "works with sr20/ka24 ONLY" and when i looked up how to install it, i couldnt find $#!+ online. no pix no threads with right answers no nothing. but i solved it with no fabrications or modifications. so her is a picture of what i did and an option for you to try. should work on the s13 and s14 just the same as long as the bracket fits your shock tower.

i didnt buy the damper because i think that "my little 4 cyl has 1,000,000lb/ft of torque" or to "look cool" or "be faster". i got it because i wanted to get rid of the wasted motion on the motor wobble. when i put my welded diff in, it started to make the car a little bouncy because the wheels were hopping when turning and hopping slowly when turning at a certain speed, then when i put my cheap coilovers (with nonadjustable dampers) it became really bouncy when the clutch was engaged. tires would affect the motor and vice versa. and when i disengage the clutch it stops the boucyness. so the theory is that if i stiffen up the motor, the only thing causing the bouncing would be the springs and tires (hopping). ill try to make and post videos with damper and w out to show the difference.

AND THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT SOLID MOUNTS. SO STOP TELLING HIM TO GET THEM INSTEAD!!! THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HOW AND WHERE TO INSTALL THE DAMPER ON THE KA24DE!!! YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER HE SHOULD USE A DAMPER OR SOLID MOUNTS IN IRRELEVANT!!!

NOW FOR THE PICTURES

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38641

Hope this helps everyone

[Super Ertoy]

my friend with an SR sold his car and gave me his leftovers just a couple of weeks ago...thought about mounting it there but----the stud is missing on my exhaust xD ill take pics later of the intake side

[TheRealSy90]

Wow that's so cool guys thanks for solving this problem!

[Super Ertoy]

intake side. goodnight.
eBay Engine Torque damper on KA24DE - YouTube (http://youtu.be/Q79AH50YLXg)
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/336002_147373092066676_574289805_o.jpg

[turbo2nr]

im thinking about getting one of these to lessen motor vibration, damm turbo/ wastegate bolts keep coming loose maybe with less engine movement the bolts will stay tight..