Exhaust ticket...CHP website

[s13coupedrfter]

GO TO PAGE #4 AND READ POST #95



I got a exhaust ticket a month ago and I found some info that might be helpful to fellow zilvians.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/streetlegal.html

Basically I'm going to fight my ticket V.C. 27150 but there is a new law V.C. 27150.2 that let's cops give out tickets without using decibel meters (like they ever use them anyway). Since cops are not mechanics or smog techs I've always disagreed the issue of tickets of such infractions. I'd like to add there is no more "fix it" tickets for exhaust in California, you have to get the ticket signed off AND pay the fine. Hope this helps.

[CKAMC]

Headlights brighter or higher wattage than those from the factory. You may be able to see better, but the lights are illegal

Wow, I can't help it officer that this car I drive has shitty factory output and I would like to see the road better....

[s13coupedrfter]

I like the one about the ride hight. I've heard all those rumors about measuring from the headlight crap. As long as nothing hangs below the lowest part of the rim. Hmmm....19's with 30 series tires here I come LOL.

[Phatz]

"Citation is based on officer's judgment."

Damn, thats shity! so cops can pretty much hand noise tickets out like candy... Good luck with your case, brudda. GET UP, STAND UP!

[tanks13]

they will still find a way to fuck you and if you even so are getting to the point where ur about to beat them then they just fuck with you even more ask you other shit then no lube they just get ur shit even worse end up paying more or having to put all the emission and all that shit back true story

[HalveBlue]

The sad fact of life is that our justice system is based on time and money. Unless you have both of those illegitimate laws will continue to propagate.

Unless someone is willing to appeal these tickets and a higher court strikes down the law this shit will go on.

Since most of the people that are affected by this law aren't going to spend the time or money to appeal them I foresee this going on for a very long time.

But, good luck anway.

[kornaz]

What's the ticket for? Modified or too loud? Not enough shit in this thread. Not enough info. Pigs embarrassing innocent people for a damn exhaust... Yes, there's biggest gangs here in LA, shitload of crime, and shit, but, NO, they will crack on enthusiasts for a damn exhaust, instead of REALLY serving and protecting. Way to go bacons.

[wangan_cruiser]

^^ fuck yea instead crackin down enthusiasts why they dont focus on drug lords and crime on the streets. they waste tax money just to crackdown car enthusiasts.

[jskateborders]

cause 98% of the time we dont try and fight back
easy money.
Why take candy from the school bully when theres a baby chillin over there?

[tanks13]

this is the way I see it most cops are dicks so we just can't win plane
and simple

[ellisonrox]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

FTP?

[WERDdabuilder]

Blue and yellow headlights. Headlights must be white - blue and yellow are illegal
Illegal decorative lights (24003 VC). All flashing decorative lights are illegal
Illegal windshield washer nozzle lights. Only white or yellow are allowed.

i love these three.

[HalveBlue]

Nah, this part was my favorite

"Remember - FTBC (failure to be cool) is not a crime!"

[firelizard]

^^ fuck yea instead crackin down enthusiasts why they dont focus on drug lords and crime on the streets. they waste tax money just to crackdown car enthusiasts.

CHP.

California Highway Patrol.

Maybe they're not taking out drug lords because they're not the DEA.
:hammer:

[BigVinnie]

^^ fuck yea instead crackin down enthusiasts why they dont focus on drug lords and crime on the streets. they waste tax money just to crackdown car enthusiasts.


The theory behind that, is that if some one can afford to modify there car, they can afford a ticket. One of my friends is a CHP officer, use to smoke alot of weed with him in High School, what a hypocrisy.....


Most CHP officers are't as stringent on the policies any more because of class action lawsuits with SEMA and car product consumers.
Although if you are caught breaking a basic speed law more than likely you can get a written ticket for just about anything.

[s14_legend]

yeah its crazy...government is broke so yeah they have to make their money...they dont care who you are...hah its easier busting us than gangs, you know why because gangs have guns and knives...i hate being harassed when im being a good member of society...damn go and solve crimes(but thats not where the money is at)...sad stuff

[s13coupedrfter]

Its a great public service to hide behind bushes and dumpsters waiting to fuck over the public handing out citations they have no idea how much cost. If they were interested in public safety they would be visible (protect and serve). This only creates a bad relationship between law enforcement and the public.

[SimpleSexy180]

I'd like to add there is no more "fix it" tickets for exhaust in California, you have to get the ticket signed off AND pay the fine. Hope this helps.

when did this start?

[s14_legend]

if i had a domestic it would be a different story

[240trainee]

Yep, it's all about money

I got pulled going through a toll in Richmond, went through the toll and saw a state trooper running for his car, lol, I slowed down and got over to the right because I knew why he was stoked, hahahahaha.

Got pulled, he said I was getting tickets for ride height and exhaust, is there anything else illegal, I said no, he said ok, went and wrote the tickets, came back, and said have a good day, lol. I've had some that were on a powertrip, but it's just money and ticket counts, thats the only reason besides a powertrip that they would pull you over for fix it tickets.

[charlie321]

when did this start?

actually this is true, and i'm not sure when it started, but i got pulled over with a buddy of mine, i was in his car, but the officer kept telling us "we don't issue fix it tickets anymore" he already had a ticket so they gave him a ticket for obstructed driving vision due to stickers on the winshield. :-/

[S14DB]

I like the one about the ride hight. I've heard all those rumors about measuring from the headlight crap. As long as nothing hangs below the lowest part of the rim. Hmmm....19's with 30 series tires here I come LOL.

it's not a rumor. It's a FMVS rule. Federal DOT supercedes Cali. 21.5" from ground to center of headlight. I was at 18" and got hit for this. Cop had a tape measure and everything. Stupid safety checkpoints. Only think I could do was raise it up to 22"

[dtc 360RT]

if i had a domestic it would be a different story
not true!!!
i get f*cked all the time....no front plate, modified exhaust, tinted window and when i had o.e. front lights...illegal clear corners with hyper white bulbs.\/\/\/ domestic truck w/ american muscle under the hood

[StaticX27]

What else is new about a cop's judgment? Cops fresh out of traffic school are perfect speed experts. If they see you driving, they can say you were going a certain speed, and the court accepts that as gospel, even if his perception is off.

Why does it surprise you that something as basic as sound would be different? I mean we all sit here and mince around words about how we're not as bad as crime lords, drug lords, etc, but when it comes down to it, we're breaking laws, the same way they are. We are ignoring laws and doing whatever we want. We're further polluting the air with our total disregard for emissions and lifestyle. Not to mention there is a pretty good sized group within the community that does participate in illegal street racing that does cost people lives, cause accidents, etc.

Are we really that different than your average criminal in the eyes of the police?

[dtc 360RT]

^^ very valid point(s) but when's the last time a little girl was killed by an apexi exhaust? not to be a smart ass but breaking laws and regulations that are set, yes we are, i'd say 99% of guys that into the scene. but we do so because most of the time, they do not directly affect anyone else. the subject on hand is a modified exhaust ticket. the illegal street racing and whatnot, those guys are idiots, they wont know any better until someone gets hurt and directly affects them.

Are we really that different than your average criminal in the eyes of the police? i sure like to think so. most level headed figures of the law would agree. but if you're out f*ckin around...you deserve what you get.

[norcal_black240]

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard cops cannot give out non correctable exhaust tickets. My friend got pulled over and they gave him a non correctable ticket. He looked in the the book and read that his exhaust ticket can be corrected.

http://forums.apexnetwork.net/index.php?topic=403.0

There is his thread talking about his whole experience getting pulled over, going to court, and getting his ticket solved.

[StaticX27]

That modified exhaust is expelling more pollutants than a chain smoker, and it's traveling around encompassing a wide area, especially here in California, the true automotive capital of the world :P. For the most part I do agree with you, but I do have to play devil's advocate. I sit here and I listen to rap music and hear them going on and on about how cops are always bringing em down for just trying to live, and blah blah blah, and sadly, I hear very similar things coming out of the mouth's of auto enthusiasts.

I modify my car knowing full well I'm breaking the law. I don't mince it up with words to justify my actions or the money I've spent. I know damn well if I get pulled over, I'm going to get the reaming of my life. But I am the kind of person who will take his lashes. I have never contested a speeding ticket where the officer was right. I was speeding, and I got caught, take my medicine and move on with my life. Same thing here. If a cop pulls me over and says I was too loud, I'll take it down to a ref and get it sound tests. If it truly is too loud, I'll be more than happy to pay the fine.

Secondly, how is a cop supposed to tell the difference between some guy who actively participates in illegal street racing and the next guy? Its not like that street racer is constantly ripping around town driving like an asshole and having his metal floor boards fly out of the back of his car from hitting the nos too much. Street racers probably drive just like normal people. So out of this group of people who illegally modify their car, pick out the street racer! You can't, the only thing you can do is penalize the whole group (profiling, but each and every one of us is breaking the law anyways, so its a legal kind of profiling) or wait for the next time the street races happen and pick up the body of a little girl who ran in the middle of the street chasing a ball.

[drift freaq]

What else is new about a cop's judgment? Cops fresh out of traffic school are perfect speed experts. If they see you driving, they can say you were going a certain speed, and the court accepts that as gospel, even if his perception is off.

Why does it surprise you that something as basic as sound would be different? I mean we all sit here and mince around words about how we're not as bad as crime lords, drug lords, etc, but when it comes down to it, we're breaking laws, the same way they are. We are ignoring laws and doing whatever we want. We're further polluting the air with our total disregard for emissions and lifestyle. Not to mention there is a pretty good sized group within the community that does participate in illegal street racing that does cost people lives, cause accidents, etc.

Are we really that different than your average criminal in the eyes of the police?

Nope, and in fact the last time I got pulled by none other than Rampart division LOL. The officer told me and I quote " Because of recent gang activity we have more patrol cars on the streets and will be pulling people over" In effect they do look at S Chassis and Imports in general as gang oriented cars.
In fact they even feel the cars could be stolen. At least they have that last part right. Unfortunately they are so blind to looking at people their judgement could not tell a ordinary citizen from a gangster if it hit them over the head.

Is the exhaust law unfair? hard to say. Fact is they target our cars because they are the easiest to nail. Ya I could just see them pulling over a HA riding his Harley down the street due to noisy exhaust. LOL. Hmmm pull over this kid with the loud exhaust or the HA. I think I will take the kid, he is less likely to shoot me.

[s14_legend]

not true!!!
i get f*cked all the time....no front plate, modified exhaust, tinted window and when i had o.e. front lights...illegal clear corners with hyper white bulbs./// domestic truck w/ american muscle under the hood

just speaking in general majority of the times imports get messed with more...i got a ticket for exhaust before when a late 90's mustang had a even louder modified exhaust than myself and he was right next to me at the light. also me and alot of people have encountered other situtations as such, i have nothing against domestics at all but many cases we get messed with more often. stigma i guess because of f&f


What else is new about a cop's judgment? Cops fresh out of traffic school are perfect speed experts. If they see you driving, they can say you were going a certain speed, and the court accepts that as gospel, even if his perception is off.

Why does it surprise you that something as basic as sound would be different? I mean we all sit here and mince around words about how we're not as bad as crime lords, drug lords, etc, but when it comes down to it, we're breaking laws, the same way they are. We are ignoring laws and doing whatever we want. We're further polluting the air with our total disregard for emissions and lifestyle. Not to mention there is a pretty good sized group within the community that does participate in illegal street racing that does cost people lives, cause accidents, etc.

Are we really that different than your average criminal in the eyes of the police?

actually my exhaust makes the air cleaner, i have my smog tests to prove it that it burns more cleanly than my old stock one

[StaticX27]

actually my exhaust makes the air cleaner, i have my smog tests to prove it that it burns more cleanly than my old stock one[/B]

Yea, my car with a modified SR runs cleaner than my KA ever did, but it doesn't make it any more legal :P

[s14_legend]

yeah just sucks how politics work huh..."the quick buck"

[JRas]

it's all bs

exhaust loud ? what about those harleys, I hear all the time those are a hell of a lot louder than mine, yet they don't get pulled over.

too low? bs, z06's, and other sport cars are dam low and I am willing to bet illegal, yet they come from the factory like that. do they get pulled over?

lights too bright? that's funny, BMW's, Mercedes, and Lexus all offer HID from the a factory, yet when you retrofit one from those cars or get an hid kit for your car and suddenly it's illegal.

it's dumb basically modifying your car is illegal.. emissions? what if i drop an ls1 in my car? illegal, but a corvette from the factory with an ls1 is legal?

we are being targeted, because of other dumb people who own imports.

[ericcastro]

CHP and LA County cops are fucks. Period.

I have had over a half dozen tickets this year and am paying over 2 grand TODAY to pay them off.
My biggest was for Exhaust, Tint, and plate placement. I was on my way to court with a signed off exhaust ticket from the day before. The exhaust was quite and just had a tip. They also threatened to tow my car after they had found out the engine was rebuilt. (to check vins, cause I probably stole it they said). said tires stuck out to far.
And marked the ticket NON FIXABLE!!

$900.00 for an already correct exhaust. The tint is legal, my car just looks dark inside. and I had a one day operating permit, so my plates didnt need legal tabs.

So it was all BS harasment and I couldnt do anything but get a police complaint to fill out.

Fucking Burbank.

And that happens to me at least once a month to me with my 240. They group us in with "street racers". So thats why I treat all you street race 240 guys like shit at the meets. Youre fucking me out of ALOT of money.

[dtc 360RT]

"quote: So thats why I treat all you street race 240 guys like shit at the meets. Youre fucking me out of ALOT of money."

^^ i knew it

:D

[CKAMC]

you know what I find interesting?

low post count amount from people in norcal...

maybe its a sign of better things up there.....

[sk8ter1103]

lots of info on the link..
i recommend you look at it.


Correct me if I am wrong but I heard cops cannot give out non correctable exhaust tickets. My friend got pulled over and they gave him a non correctable ticket. He looked in the the book and read that his exhaust ticket can be corrected.

http://forums.apexnetwork.net/index.php?topic=403.0

There is his thread talking about his whole experience getting pulled over, going to court, and getting his ticket solved.

[s14_legend]

its so cal po po love what can i say...naw they have it bad up there too...just california in general is screwed up.


you know what I find interesting?

low post count amount from people in norcal...

maybe its a sign of better things up there.....

[Risu2112]

I had one of those a few months ago, if it's just excessive noise you can pay it off without getting it signed. If you got caught without a cat or something like that you're gonna of course eat smog ref.

In all but the most extreme cases exhaust noise depends on the situation (read, speed of the engine). The problem is "fixed" the same way excessive noise from a stereo is, turn it down/stop winding the engine up so much. blasting music too loud and getting caught doesn't mean you get a ticket to have amps removed from your car, at least I assume not haha

[singlecamslam]

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard cops cannot give out non correctable exhaust tickets. My friend got pulled over and they gave him a non correctable ticket. He looked in the the book and read that his exhaust ticket can be corrected.

http://forums.apexnetwork.net/index.php?topic=403.0

There is his thread talking about his whole experience getting pulled over, going to court, and getting his ticket solved.

That link is totally correct, it is NOT illegal to have exhaust as long as you dont mess with the cat. Most cops dont know or dont give a shit about this and will write you the ticket anyways. Take your car to the state ref or some place that can see how loud your car is, get a prit out, and show the judge, its time we fight back... and a good thing is to keep that print out for future cops that pull you over.

[allmotorKA]

when did this start?

actually this is true, and i'm not sure when it started, but i got pulled over with a buddy of mine, i was in his car, but the officer kept telling us "we don't issue fix it tickets anymore" he already had a ticket so they gave him a ticket for obstructed driving vision due to stickers on the winshield. :-/

Cops have been marking it "non fixable" counting on that fact that you will just bend over. All you have to do is request to see the judge at the court before you pay the fine...don't listen to the clerk when she tells you the ticket is marked "non fixable"...insist on seeing the judge and they can't deny you. Once you show your certificate of compliance to the judge, the fine will be dropped. If the ticket was truely "non fixable" then why would california have the ref stations to give out certificates of compliance?

In simple terms, the cops are marking it "non fixable" just to screw with you. Don't fall for that BS.

[BustedS13]

" Vehicle probably impounded for at least 30 days"
even they don't know. what a clusterfuck

[MrD]

At least you guys can get certificates of compliance!
Here, in Quebec, they're out to get us and we have no such "protection" any non oem exhaust can and will be ticketed.

[s13coupedrfter]

when did this start?

Not sure but it's true. I just came back from the CHP station and they refused to signoff my ticket because they said I have to get it signed off at the ref station. So now you can't get these signed off at the CHP anymore either. When I called the CHP in Culver City they said there are 5-6 different V.C. infractions for exhaust that the CHP are not allowed to signoff anymore. I went to the downtown station to try anyway with no luck. I'm not worried about the signoff because I'm in compliance and I have a appointment at the ref this Fri.

[singlecamslam]

Not sure but it's true. I just came back from the CHP station and they refused to signoff my ticket because they said I have to get it signed off at the ref station. So now you can't get these signed off at the CHP anymore either. When I called the CHP in Culver City they said there are 5-6 different V.C. infractions for exhaust that the CHP are not allowed to signoff anymore. I went to the downtown station to try anyway with no luck. I'm not worried about the signoff because I'm in compliance and I have a appointment at the ref this Fri.

keep us updated on the situation man because this is BULL. I got a ticket for exhaust and my exhaust was quieter than the cops car! He said "thats not how it came from the factory so i'm going to cite you" After you get back from the ref, make copies of the paper they give you and keep it with you at all times so incase CHP try to get you again.

[Rob's S14]

that page is all wrong, failure to be cool(ftbc) is a crime.

[S13_Nightkid]

^^^dammit i was about to put that! fuckk if this is happening i better check my tight-assed state laws.

[genericforumname]

I think most of you are still missing the point, whats worse is people in this thread have already given the reasons these laws make sense and no one is listening. ALL MODIFICATIONS TO A VEHICLES EXHAUST SYSTEM ARE ILLEGAL just because its under the sound limit doesn't make it any more legal, the only loophole is that there is no requirement that you have to replace the unit with a stock one when it rusts out etc. also, as far as pulling over harley's, I completely agree that they should BUT if California is anything like Florida cops aren't allowed to chase or pull over motorcycles, this happened after multiple cops died trying to catch bikes (different occasions, not all at once) all they are allowed to do to bikes is try to get a picture of your license plate, if they get that you lose your bike, no exceptions. and besides if it was really that bad, why you stop complaining and move out of the state?

p.s. in Florida drifting is also considered racing and if I remember correctly if you're caught you lose your license and you lose your car, which gets sent to the crusher. the reason I say this is because its impossible for cops to tell who is a street racer and who isn't, so they have to make a snap judgment and sometimes they're wrong.

[MaD1337M3DRiV3r]

Why is the title of the page "<title>CHP - Asia Pacific Islander Outreach</title>"

anyone smell racism?

[LIVINXS]

^^ fuck yea instead crackin down enthusiasts why they dont focus on drug lords and crime on the streets. they waste tax money just to crackdown car enthusiasts.

tickets = revenue for the state

crackdown = jail time = expenditures

AND each officer has to write x (pick a number) tickets every month to meet whats expected. they would much rather hand them out then risk their perfect little jobs.

they had a crackdown on REAL crime in my state cause someone was gonna make a shitload of money if we built another prison. corruption at its finest. in the end, they just let everyone sentenced in prison go early to make room and save MONEY.

[TheArkitekt]

must suck to be out there. we have mostly farmers around here so i dont even get echecks ever. no cat, jdm engine, bov to atmosphere, etc no problem in ohio.

goodluck to all you guys out there! hope the rest of the country doesnt follow calis example

[HyperTek]

anyone else here in love with CKAMC's avatar? lol

Police = only use judgement, let the courts settle things out.

Fawk teh police!!
but im sorta interested in criminal science/law enforcement , its kinda interesting lol.

My pops been tellin me to move with him to Kansas and start a new life.. i could probably get away wiht anything out there, but i just love cali too dam much, even if i aint doin nething lol

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

honestly guys, enough with the "pig" bashing. You have to put yourself in their situation. They see the 16-20 year olds who only have a car to break the law. They drive 100 mph on the fwy religiously, they drink and drive, they street race, and could kill you, me, or a family member on any given day. They see your car and ASSUME that you're one of those kids, it's up to you to convince them that you are not. They are NOT fucking with you, they are trying to save lives. Although, I DO believe that there are some jerk cops but there's jerks in every walks of life. For the most part they are doing their jobs well and at least they TRY to save lives.

On a side not, a buddy of mine who had a Scion TC with factory body kit, factory TRD exhaust, and intake got a fix it ticket for noise violation. He told the cop that they came stock and he didn't believe him. It was just a cop who didn't know much about cars. This is why I tell people who have sr's who don't intend to break HP records to keep factory sidemount intercooler to confuse cops. It's a tricky idea that tends to confuse cops because the sr looks a lil similar to the ka.

Also, I have a bunch of sherrif buddies who tell me what they look for is heat shielding on the exhaust manifold and "bling." No bling, no ticket.

[SimpleSexy180]

Not sure but it's true. I just came back from the CHP station and they refused to signoff my ticket because they said I have to get it signed off at the ref station. So now you can't get these signed off at the CHP anymore either. When I called the CHP in Culver City they said there are 5-6 different V.C. infractions for exhaust that the CHP are not allowed to signoff anymore. I went to the downtown station to try anyway with no luck. I'm not worried about the signoff because I'm in compliance and I have a appointment at the ref this Fri.

OH OK thats how its been for awhile. they did the same thing to me months ago. take it to the ref, they give u a paper of decibel readout and a sticker that goes on the back of the ticket that shows you passed.

then its 10 bucks at the clerk. it is still a fix it ticket. but you go through more bs just to get it "signed off"

[VROOOM]

" Vehicle probably impounded for at least 30 days"
even they don't know. what a clusterfuck



it all depends on if you get a cool cop or a dick.
i got a street racing ticket in 02 and the cop had to chase the guy i was racing so he was cool to me and a dick to the other guy. the other guy's car got impounded and he went to jail. i got a ticket and went home.

[BustedS13]

it all depends on if you get a cool cop or a dick.
i got a street racing ticket in 02 and the cop had to chase the guy i was racing so he was cool to me and a dick to the other guy. the other guy's car got impounded and he went to jail. i got a ticket and went home.

yeah, it should be the same every time. you know, like, they have laws and they enforce them... instead of pulling it out of their ass

[s13coupedrfter]

OH OK thats how its been for awhile. they did the same thing to me months ago. take it to the ref, they give u a paper of decibel readout and a sticker that goes on the back of the ticket that shows you passed.

then its 10 bucks at the clerk. it is still a fix it ticket. but you go through more bs just to get it "signed off"

I didn't know it's been like that, the last exhaust ticket I had was 8 years ago LOL.

[SimpleSexy180]

I didn't know it's been like that, the last exhaust ticket I had was 8 years ago LOL.


yeup! so dont worry guys. their is still "fix its" with exhaust tickets.

[Matej]

My pops been tellin me to move with him to Kansas and start a new life.. i could probably get away wiht anything out there, but i just love cali too dam much, even if i aint doin nething lol
Do it!
I need friends haha.

[Rob's S14]

anyone else here in love with CKAMC's avatar? lol



yeah his and yours and the one that is in somebody's sig is good too.

seriously though, just don't attract unwanted attention to yourself..ie burnouts, racing etc. and you'll save yourself much hassle.

[firelizard]

I'm just wondering... what do the local police do about people from other jurisdictions, or even countries with "illegally modified" cars?

[Rnz520]

If its another country I dont think they can do much. I got a cracked windshield ticket from a cop of the county next to mine, but it was a fixit so thats what I did. Here in Culpeper they dont do emissions or give a crap about another motor in your car, and they never will because way too many rednecks and tuners would fail inspection, and those same rednecks and tuners run the town council tha tmakes the laws :)

[s14_legend]

a good quote i heard before "welcome to the real world where money talks bulls%!t walks" - welcome to life it sucks

[andmattsayd]

Why is the title of the page "<title>CHP - Asia Pacific Islander Outreach</title>"

anyone smell racism?

yeah what is that all about?!
cauuse im japanese i have a Fast and the Furious car?
just because i drive a 240 that means im going to go "street race"
with my other "racer" friends?
im just so sick of that stupid stereotype :nono:
stupid socal cops

[StaticX27]

To the person who neg repped me claiming these laws are stupid:

These laws were created by people much smarter than you and I, who went through the entire legal process to get these laws passed. Its not like they got together one day and said "Hey, in 20 years we're gonna have this swarm of little kids who modify their cars and will violate smog laws. Lets pass this law so we can fund ourselves in the future by screwing over these kids!" Laws don't come into existence like that, and we have organizations like SEMA there to prevent that.

These laws were passed with years and thousands of dollars out there in research done to justify it's existence. These laws are not perfect mind you, but they're there for a reason. If you want to change these laws, there's a process behind doing it, and we all learned about it back in middle school and high school. It takes time and devotion to the cause of changing these laws. If you think murder should be legal, there's a whole process behind it. Ever wonder why these laws are still around? Those of us who have tried to change laws, or work within the legal system to affect change have tried and we're denied due to the fact that the group of us that the laws affect are a minority in the grand scheme of things. I want a street legal SR20, and we've all tried MANY different avenues to get this to happen, but at every turn, large government organizations like the EPA, CARB, etc have downed us. There is reason behind it, believe it or not, money being a big one of them.

Blowing off a law because you think it's stupid is exactly the same as people who murder people with no regard for the law. Is it the same as what we're talking about? No, but it's in the same ball park (please tell me someone gets the reference). If you don't agree with a law, get off your lazy ass and start trying to influence change. Become an active member of SEMA. Go to law school and study automotive law. All of this stuff is out there. Believe it or not, there are loop holes in the law that'll allow for a number of the things out there people are describing. Did you know you can legally drive a car around and be 100% exempt from all smog laws? And it's even cheaper than paying for registration on a car yearly! The answers are out there for what you seek, just go out there and find them. $3000 ref ticket for that SR with a sick turbo setup? Guess what, there are loopholes around that too that'll cost you 10% of that cost.

Bottom line, do your homework and understand the laws. There are reasons I've had 2 100% legalized RHD cars here in California. You can do SO MUCH within the legal system, the only thing you need is a little creativity and some effort on your part if you want to make them happen. Do I want to share this knowledge? Hell no, I have no desire to just give knowledge away to people who are too lazy to search on their own. However, I can tell you the laws are out there, and they're fully capable of protecting you from doing everything that's been described in this thread, not to mention its 100% legal. But don't sit there and tell me laws are stupid and that's why you can't follow them. You're not convince me of anything other than the fact that you're an idiot who can't do their own research.

[S14DB]

Main Entry:
jus·ti·fy Listen to the pronunciation of justify
Pronunciation:
\ˈjəs-tə-ˌfī\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
jus·ti·fied; jus·ti·fy·ing
Etymology:
Middle English justifien, from Anglo-French or Late Latin; Anglo-French justifier, from Late Latin justificare, from Latin justus
Date:
14th century

transitive verb1 a: to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable b (1): to show to have had a sufficient legal reason.


Doesn't make it right...

[ericcastro]

Here is my NEG rep reply to "staticx27",

"fuck you, your clueless. I have gotten 2 tickets on 100% stock exhaust, not even intake, passes smog, and had to pay several huindred. Its police haressment. Go play your fucking "devils advocate" somewhere else-ericcastro"

just thought I would go public :) And I think its very stupid of you to "play" devils advocate to a crowd of people who have been taken advantage of, had rights violated, been belittled and paid hundreds to thousands to the police department when they have been innocent.


and static, you claim to have a sr20?? then how are those cars "legal"?? just wait till you get pulled over because of "profiling". Shit, Im 100% legal, you should be getting all my tickets! lol. but it dont stop them from writing them, and a dick judge wont change em to "fixable", because that would make his officers wrong.


Do what i do. I have started to file police complaints against the officer's who write me BS tickets. How many "modified exhaust" tickets you think go out a day in LA?? How many officers?? If everyone that gets a ticket files a complaint, it will start adding up quik. The officers will eventually have to back off and stop harassing. And I really doubt "ALL" oficers are wasting time with these silly tickets. Its probably more of a select few of angry, controlling pricks with a chip on thier shoulder.
Its how I handled harassment issues in WA 10 years ago. I also got a lawyer, called the ACLU, and took the police department to court for a quarter million for harasment. They droped charges and fired the officer. And instead of being harassed for skateboarding everyday, They would completely ignore us skaters. they were to scared to loose there jobs.
its our laws for our protection, we need to take some power back.

File Complaints, its easy!!

[sam][s14]

Yea My exhaust was way too loud but i had it on my car for about a year now.
And in the past week I have gotten 3 tickets total.

1st. simple fix it (thats not too bad.)
2nd. Modified emmissions, Loud exhaust. Go see Reff.
3rd.3 days after the second ticket. Modified smog, Loud exhaust. Yup...REFF.

[StaticX27]

removed. Not necessary

[StaticX27]

Here is my NEG rep reply to "staticx27",

"fuck you, your clueless. I have gotten 2 tickets on 100% stock exhaust, not even intake, passes smog, and had to pay several huindred. Its police haressment. Go play your fucking "devils advocate" somewhere else-ericcastro"

just thought I would go public :) And I think its very stupid of you to "play" devils advocate to a crowd of people who have been taken advantage of, had rights violated, been belittled and paid hundreds to thousands to the police department when they have been innocent.


and static, you claim to have a sr20?? then how are those cars "legal"?? just wait till you get pulled over because of "profiling". Shit, Im 100% legal, you should be getting all my tickets! lol. but it dont stop them from writing them, and a dick judge wont change em to "fixable", because that would make his officers wrong.


Do what i do. I have started to file police complaints against the officer's who write me BS tickets. How many "modified exhaust" tickets you think go out a day in LA?? How many officers?? If everyone that gets a ticket files a complaint, it will start adding up quik. The officers will eventually have to back off and stop harassing. And I really doubt "ALL" oficers are wasting time with these silly tickets. Its probably more of a select few of angry, controlling pricks with a chip on thier shoulder.
Its how I handled harassment issues in WA 10 years ago. I also got a lawyer, called the ACLU, and took the police department to court for a quarter million for harasment. They droped charges and fired the officer. And instead of being harassed for skateboarding everyday, They would completely ignore us skaters. they were to scared to loose there jobs.
its our laws for our protection, we need to take some power back.

File Complaints, its easy!!

My legal cars were a DC5R and a R33 4 door skyline, just to throw that out there. However, that's largely moot, as those were a pain in the royal ass to legalize, but fortunately alot of the work was done by Motorex and Honda for those two cars.

Yes, I have an SR, and I have yet to be pulled over in that car. I drive a good 300+ miles a week through these "bad" areas that people always get ticketed. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe I'm just not a target because I don't drive like a douche when I cruise around. My car is 100% stock bodied, but I do have harnesses for my seat belts. I have a carbon fiber hood with aerocatch hood pins, but my hood is painted. I have 18" 350Z track edition wheels that are painted black. I make it a point not to stick out for the very reason you're describing. Why you got ticketed, I truly don't know. You're 100% stock, and that is a legitimate argument in a court of law. If you decided to keel over and take the abuse, I don't really consider that the fault of the law, I consider that your fault for not pursuing it to higher courts, and I consider that harassment on the part of the cop, I agree with you there. However, as was said earlier in this thread, most of the cops out there are truly good people who have a firm belief in upholding the law. You get bad apples in any profession, we all know that. However, you don't see me swearing off fast food restaurants because they gave me curly fries instead of regular fries.

I respect any officer who pulls me over, because I understand that he's doing his job. I work as a tech at Worst Buy, and I have people who are pompous assholes to me, and I have people who are appreciative to me. Doesn't mean I'm going to treat them any differently, even though my job is to fix other people's fuck ups. Only you know the reason you were ticketed. I don't know you, and I will not proceed to make judgments about how you handled the cop at the time, but in my experience, people who mouth off to cops tend to get picked on more, and they're right here on the message boards whining about how the cop fucked em over on X ticket.

I totally agree with your methodology of resolving harassment issues with the police, and I salute you for it, you're one of the people who is handling the situation appropriately. You're not disregarding the law and saying fuck the police like a bad rap album, you're working within the system and affecting change. That's exactly what I've been trying to get across, and thank you for proving my point with your skate boarding example.

[HyperTek]

yeah what is that all about?!
cauuse im japanese i have a Fast and the Furious car?
just because i drive a 240 that means im going to go "street race"
with my other "racer" friends?
im just so sick of that stupid stereotype :nono:
stupid socal cops

dude its been asian stereotyped ever since the first person called it ricer/rice

Id like to think most of the asian or pacific islander's modded cars that id usually see on the road arent as bad as what i see typically driven by others.

I guess loud exhaust, valve stem lights, led washer lights, neon underglows and all the illegal mods originated from Asia, as well as street racing. :hyper:

Im sorry guys, I freaking hate these laws.. BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND that if no one would make laws, we would have tons of idiots running around, loud exhaust, beat ass cars all over the place.. etc.. The tuning scene is getting bigger and bigger all the time. And alot of people do stupid shit to their cars, which ruins it for everyone since these laws have to be created.

[HyperTek]

ok google search, this is Asian American/Pacific Islander outreach program
http://www.nhtsa.gov/multicultural/asianamerican/asian-index.html



Welcome

The Asian/Pacific Islander population faces a number of difficulties when it comes to improving traffic safety. Often, there are both cultural and lingual barriers that may impede traffic safety messages. Together with the fact that there has been very little research, this lack of effective outreach to the communities has only let the traffic safety conditions get worse. Moreover, the Asian/Pacific Islander group continues to battle certain traffic safety problems. In fact, motor vehicle crashes are the number one cause of death for Asian/Pacific Islanders ages 1-24.

In order to save the lives of the parents and children that are dying in car crashes, and to promote healthy families and communities, NHTSA has created programs, formed relationships, and campaigns that target the traffic safety of Asian/Pacific Islander communities.

The Asian/Pacific Islander Outreach web site is designed to give you direct access to NHTSA's traffic safety activities, contacts, events, materials, and ideas that are tailored specifically to the Asian/Pacific Islander population in the United States in the hopes that you can make some changes in your community to save lives.

Ok thats not so bad, i can udnerstand this one, but for CHP to tie the asian/pacific islander outreach program to street racing.. fuck that

Instead, the law needs to attack teh influence.. like the movies and video games that glorify it lol

[steve shadows]

^^ fuck yea instead crackin down enthusiasts why they dont focus on drug lords and crime on the streets. they waste tax money just to crackdown car enthusiasts.

Drugs keep people in check.

Racing makes people happy - but does offer liability dangers that could slow things in the court.

Racing cars gets priority.

Fun = Illegal

Illegal = Not Cracked down on


-Stay in your fucking homes and do crack-

is what they are saying

[thafriendlypimp]

yeah its crazy...government is broke so yeah they have to make their money...they dont care who you are...hah its easier busting us than gangs, you know why because gangs have guns and knives...i hate being harassed when im being a good member of society...damn go and solve crimes(but thats not where the money is at)...sad stuff

If you have an illegal and excessively loud exhaust, how can you be a good member of society? It makes sense about the noise if you are cruising in Beverly Hills, but i've been pulled over in an industrial area for "loud exhaust". Have yet to get a ticket, but got a fix-it for no front license plate in gay pomona. I never get stopped in Duarte for the plate, but in pomona ALWAYS! Fuck that. They can see my "Front license" in my front windshield.

I have an illegal exhaust (SICK status). But what about busting the crapped out trucks that smell like a burning grill? You know you get stuck behind those once in awhile. Talk about pollution... if they want to bust us tuners for illegal emissions mods, why not bust the ones that can't MAINTAIN their own emissions. LOL!

Best part is about going to an NHRA track or drag strip! THey charge us and are only open certain days!!! If they wanted street racing to stop, why not provide free off-traffic-areas or tracks? Don't worry fellow zilvians, I will one day build a couple of free tracks, but with some rules at least. People get crazy sometimes need some control.

[180sx_Drifter]

wow i didnt know the windshield washer nozzles were legal if they were white or yellow. Im gonna get me some right now! FTW! JP

[StaticX27]

They can see my "Front license" in my front windshield.
Its not on the front of the car where it's supposed to be, therefore it's not legal. Sticking it in the front of your windshield is actually illegal, since your license plate is impeding your view. The only legal place to put things like stickers is in the top section of your car. :P


I have an illegal exhaust (SICK status). But what about busting the crapped out trucks that smell like a burning grill? You know you get stuck behind those once in awhile. Talk about pollution... if they want to bust us tuners for illegal emissions mods, why not bust the ones that can't MAINTAIN their own emissions. LOL!
Sadly is that if you check out the emissions of an KA24 stock, it will barely pass emissions now. Modify that, and you're going to be well outside the legal emissions standards for a 2.4L motor. Same with an SR. Yes, compared to a 2.4L motor, it puts out less, but it is a pretty heavy polluter for a 2L motor. Trucks all have larger motors, and you know the laws are innately bias towards larger motors. That's been true since the 60's to 80's when Japanese companies were giving American companies a run for their money. Detroit riots against Toyota, gotta love America at it's finest!

Best part is about going to an NHRA track or drag strip! THey charge us and are only open certain days!!! If they wanted street racing to stop, why not provide free off-traffic-areas or tracks? Don't worry fellow zilvians, I will one day build a couple of free tracks, but with some rules at least. People get crazy sometimes need some control.

Tracks are expensive, especially in California with the cost of land. Then you have to pay for staff, insurance, equipment, nourishment, taxes, not to mention that you have to find a location well away from the rest of business and residential area due to noise ordinances. THEN you have to pray that the people of the city you're moving into don't evict your ass when they don't want that kind of attention to their city. However, lack of tracks is still no excuse for street racing. I mean if you guys really want to affect change, you need to get out there and show that our community has class, and we're just hobbyists too like all those old guys fixing up muscle cars. If you put on this little wannabe rapper attitude towards the police(AKA "Fast and the Furious" attitude), it's just going to get worse. Either the police or us has to step up and take initiative in bettering the relationship between our communities, so why not be the bigger man and step up? Show them that you have respect for safety and law enforcement, and I promise you, we will see a decline in profiling against us.

[trsilvias13]

it's not a rumor. It's a FMVS rule. Federal DOT supercedes Cali. 21.5" from ground to center of headlight. I was at 18" and got hit for this. Cop had a tape measure and everything. Stupid safety checkpoints. Only think I could do was raise it up to 22"


So technically cars with the frog style two projector headlights that buldge up can be lower than a car with the supermade flush headlights. Function over form ppl haha

[ericcastro]

Pursue it into higher courts??

Have you actually taken anything through the courts?? its not cheap!!

And that old "counter sue" for loss of wages and court/lawyer fees doesnt work.

just taking the day off for the muffler ticket may cost me over $500 in lost wages and work contacts. (Im in the film industry, its really bad to take a day off).

And what happened to innocent till proven guilty ???

If police dont want people hating them, its there responsability to put there co workers in check.

Becoming prejudice is a natural survival instinct in the human brain to protect us. So of course when I am getting pulled over I go, "ah fuck, this asshole."

the police officers job is to not be prejudice, and judge every situation as its own.


STAYING ON TOPIC
When they tried to give me a ref date. They said it would cost me forty something dollars at the ref place. on top of the ticket fee. Anyone run into this?? just curious.
I paid $900 yesterday, and have 3 more court dates coming up.

Thanks LAPD, you fucks!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Pursue it into higher courts??

Have you actually taken anything through the courts?? its not cheap!!

And that old "counter sue" for loss of wages and court/lawyer fees doesnt work.

just taking the day off for the muffler ticket may cost me over $500 in lost wages and work contacts. (Im in the film industry, its really bad to take a day off).

And what happened to innocent till proven guilty ???

If police dont want people hating them, its there responsability to put there co workers in check.

Becoming prejudice is a natural survival instinct in the human brain to protect us. So of course when I am getting pulled over I go, "ah fuck, this asshole."

the police officers job is to not be prejudice, and judge every situation as its own.


STAYING ON TOPIC
When they tried to give me a ref date. They said it would cost me forty something dollars at the ref place. on top of the ticket fee. Anyone run into this?? just curious.
I paid $900 yesterday, and have 3 more court dates coming up.

Thanks LAPD, you fucks!
That sucks. I don't know why you got a $900 fine or what happened to you but you're grouping ALL cops in one lump. You have a couple bad experiences, but that doesn't mean that ALL cops are pigs. I only stick up for cops because for the most part, they are doing their jobs. I've gotten pulled over too many times to count in obviously modded cars (Honda w/ rollcage and s13 w/ rollcage) and NEVER had a cop ask me to pop my hood or give me a fix it ticket. I've been very nice to him and speak to him like he's a human and admit my mistakes, whatever it was.

It just sounds like you're bitter because of recent events that happened to you. Who would you call if someone was drunk and hit you and tried to run? Yes, the cops. They try to keep THOSE people off the streets, not enthusiasts like you and me. Sure, a fix it ticket sucks but I've talked to a TON of cops and they always say they don't even want to give out fix it tickets, it saves them paperwork. Only if the person talks back or sounds cocky is when they fuck with them. And to say "fuck you" to a person who is defending a group of people who defends us with their lives is a childish thing to do. I won't neg rep you like you did to me because I understand your mad, but take this into consideration.

[s13coupedrfter]

My legal cars were a DC5R and a R33 4 door skyline, just to throw that out there. However, that's largely moot, as those were a pain in the royal ass to legalize, but fortunately alot of the work was done by Motorex and Honda for those two cars.

Yes, I have an SR, and I have yet to be pulled over in that car. I drive a good 300+ miles a week through these "bad" areas that people always get ticketed. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe I'm just not a target because I don't drive like a douche when I cruise around. My car is 100% stock bodied, but I do have harnesses for my seat belts. I have a carbon fiber hood with aerocatch hood pins, but my hood is painted. I have 18" 350Z track edition wheels that are painted black. I make it a point not to stick out for the very reason you're describing. Why you got ticketed, I truly don't know. You're 100% stock, and that is a legitimate argument in a court of law. If you decided to keel over and take the abuse, I don't really consider that the fault of the law, I consider that your fault for not pursuing it to higher courts, and I consider that harassment on the part of the cop, I agree with you there. However, as was said earlier in this thread, most of the cops out there are truly good people who have a firm belief in upholding the law. You get bad apples in any profession, we all know that. However, you don't see me swearing off fast food restaurants because they gave me curly fries instead of regular fries.

I respect any officer who pulls me over, because I understand that he's doing his job. I work as a tech at Worst Buy, and I have people who are pompous assholes to me, and I have people who are appreciative to me. Doesn't mean I'm going to treat them any differently, even though my job is to fix other people's fuck ups. Only you know the reason you were ticketed. I don't know you, and I will not proceed to make judgments about how you handled the cop at the time, but in my experience, people who mouth off to cops tend to get picked on more, and they're right here on the message boards whining about how the cop fucked em over on X ticket.

I totally agree with your methodology of resolving harassment issues with the police, and I salute you for it, you're one of the people who is handling the situation appropriately. You're not disregarding the law and saying fuck the police like a bad rap album, you're working within the system and affecting change. That's exactly what I've been trying to get across, and thank you for proving my point with your skate boarding example.

I understand your point but I have to disagree with your statement about "just doing there job". Law enforcements job is to serve and protect, how can you protect if your hiding behind bushes and dumpsters waiting to handout BS tickets. Public safety doesnt seem to be a priority and generating state revenue and justifying there salaries is.

ericcastro-the person who answered the phone at the REF call center said it was free.

[flip3d]

How do you guys come up with $900 to pay tickets? Shit, I'm so broke and I dont even get tickets.

[s14_legend]

yea tickets aint cheap

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I understand your point but I have to disagree with your statement about "just doing there job". Law enforcements job is to serve and protect, how can you protect if your hinding behind bushes and dumpsters waiting to handout BS tickets. Public safety doesnt seem to be a priority and generating state revenue and justifying there salaries is.

ericcastro-the person who answered the phone at the REF call center said it was free.
The reason why the cops "hide" is because there are WAY too many traffic accidents that you and me don't see on your day to day life. Cops see these things. They see the 16 yr olds driving like fucking idiots to the store. They see 18 year olds drunk off their ass driving home. They see those same kids ejected from their cars going 80 miles an hour with their heads split open lying dead on the freeway. Like I said, if you drive like a sane person you shouldn't be pulled over. If you are, then you have to seperate yourself from those kids who are cocky and assholes to cops and act nice to them. Regardless how many people think that cops are assholes, their jobs are to save our lives so show them a little respect.

How do you guys come up with $900 to pay tickets? Shit, I'm so broke and I dont even get tickets.
I don't even know where a $900 ticket would come from. The most expensive ticket I've ever gotten was $600 and that was a ticket driving 85mph and switching in and out of the toll lane (i was gunna be late for work). Maybe his car got towed and that was all the fees. But when a car gets towed you just bribe the tow truck driver like $200 and he'll let it down. They always do.

[ericcastro]

YES ITS $900. non fixable. Through burbank. I am going in one last time on the 30th to fight one last time to make it fixable.

When I went to CHP to have things signed off to show the judge it should be made fixable. the dude poped my hood instantly, had me stand on the sidewalk, and started harrasing me there.
threatened to give me tickets because my intake (stock) was a little loose. (its damn near 20 years old dude). Missing a nut on top of my fan shrowd, (threatened a "modified" engine ticket and pulling me into the ref for that). along with a bunch of other stuff. then proceeded to tell me I was a street racer and responsiable for the death of innocent people.
Yeah, speaking of grouping people into catagories.

And if they take your car to the ref, you pay for ALL of it, EVEN THOUGH IT PASSES !!!!! fucking police state!! plus, you cant get to work and so you loose money and posably your job!

And quit crying about all the stuff they have to see, we all pick our jobs! they dont like it, quit.

Anyways, off to LA metropolitan and Pasadena court right now on more "violation" tickets.


And thanks for that info on the ref, s13coupedrfter (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=37316). Maybe they are just trying to screw me.

Like when Arcadia police towed my vehicle for no reason and charged me a total of $400. to get it back. the tow company was $200, and $200 to the police department. Got towed for my own fault in LA couple months ago, and they said the Police departments shouldnt charge a "tow" fee. And that it was illegal for them to do that.
BTW, I was towed by an asshole cop. I showed him the red registration # in the window. He looked at it and decided he didnt want to read the faded writing on it. So he said I probably stole it out of another car. then they didnt issue me a ticket, and told me the car was thiers and there was no way to get it back.
Luckily the tow guy gave me his card and I was able to find my car and figure out the channels to get it back. Which was, litterally stopping by the cop shop, and getting a release and then picking it up. Casue everything was legal on it.

that was last year outside the ARCADIA 626 meet. You wonder why im pissed............

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

YES ITS $900. non fixable. Through burbank. I am going in one last time on the 30th to fight one last time to make it fixable.

When I went to CHP to have things signed off to show the judge it should be made fixable. the dude poped my hood instantly, had me stand on the sidewalk, and started harrasing me there.
threatened to give me tickets because my intake (stock) was a little loose. (its damn near 20 years old dude). Missing a nut on top of my fan shrowd, (threatened a "modified" engine ticket and pulling me into the ref for that). along with a bunch of other stuff. then proceeded to tell me I was a street racer and responsiable for the death of innocent people.
Yeah, speaking of grouping people into catagories.

And if they take your car to the ref, you pay for ALL of it, EVEN THOUGH IT PASSES !!!!! fucking police state!! plus, you cant get to work and so you loose money and posably your job!

And quit crying about all the stuff they have to see, we all pick our jobs! they dont like it, quit.

Anyways, off to LA metropolitan and Pasadena court right now on more "violation" tickets.


And thanks for that info on the ref, s13coupedrfter (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=37316). Maybe they are just trying to screw me.

Like when Arcadia police towed my vehicle for no reason and charged me a total of $400. to get it back. the tow company was $200, and $200 to the police department. Got towed for my own fault in LA couple months ago, and they said the Police departments shouldnt charge a "tow" fee. And that it was illegal for them to do that.
BTW, I was towed by an asshole cop. I showed him the red registration # in the window. He looked at it and decided he didnt want to read the faded writing on it. So he said I probably stole it out of another car. then they didnt issue me a ticket, and told me the car was thiers and there was no way to get it back.
Luckily the tow guy gave me his card and I was able to find my car and figure out the channels to get it back. Which was, litterally stopping by the cop shop, and getting a release and then picking it up. Casue everything was legal on it.

that was last year outside the ARCADIA 626 meet. You wonder why im pissed............

that's why i didn't think you were idiot, I thought you were probably fucked with, and that really fucking sucks. WTF is a loose bolt anyways? How is THAT illegal modification? What did he site you for? loose intake? I really hope the judge recognizes what is illegal and what is legal.

We were renting a room before where we evicted the person living there. They proceeded to call the cops and said that we were holding all their stuff. The cops came to our house and handcuffed us while this person was stealing our stuff. We pressed charges against that person and the cops. Well, the cops got charged with aiding with and the person eventually got 30 days in jail and we got all our stuff back.

There IS things you can do to the cops. You DO have rights, it's just how far you want to go with it. You CAN sue for harassment if you feel harassed. He IS a public servant and if this cop did not do his job then he needs to be punished. It's people like him that give cops a bad name. I hope all works out for you.

I still have the utmost respect for cops and what they do.....well, maybe not highway patrol. lol ;)

[s13coupedrfter]

Mi Beardo es Loco- I think you missed my point, there's no need to hide on a street thats 25mph waiting to handout tickets to people going 5mph over the speed limit.

I got a ticket the other day in my van, I made a left turn around 4pm but the sign said no left turn from 12-6pm. I did it anyway because A. there was no traffic around at all B. If I went right it means I would have to go 5 blocks out of the way. C. the sign was put there so traffic doesnt congest in the parking lot I'm pulling out of. There was no traffic in the lot. The cop was hiding behind some bushes across the street and pulled me over, no joke.

My point is the cop isnt doing the public a favor hiding across the street. If he was really interested in making sure people obey the sign then he should be next to it. I know the sign is there for a reasond and I would have obeyed the sign if the traffic was heavy in the lot. I've pulled out of that lot many times when it was congested and made the right during 12-6. Due to the circumstances I made a safe left.

Tell me that cop is looking out for public safety and not to justify state revenue.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Mi Beardo es Loco- I think you missed my point, there's no need to hide on a street thats 25mph waiting to handout tickets to people going 5mph over the speed limit.

I got a ticket the other day in my van, I made a left turn around 4pm but the sign said no left turn from 12-6pm. I did it anyway because A. there was no traffic around at all B. If I went right it means I would have to go 5 blocks out of the way. C. the sign was put there so traffic doesnt congest in the parking lot I'm pulling out of. There was no traffic in the lot. The cop was hiding behind some bushes across the street and pulled me over, no joke.

My point is the cop isnt doing the public a favor hiding across the street. If he was really interested in making sure people obey the sign then he should be next to it. I know the sign is there for a reasond and I would have obeyed the sign if the traffic was heavy in the lot. I've pulled out of that lot many times when it was congested and made the right during 12-6. Due to the circumstances I made a safe left.

Tell me that cop is looking out for public safety and not to justify state revenue.

Well, I have never came across a left hand turn that you could only make from xam-Xpm. Damn, that's a good one. That sounds like a jerk move but there's a point where you have to talk your way out of the ticket. It will not hurt anything to say "I'm sorry sir, I wasn't thinking, I'm stupid, It will never happen again, can you find it in your heart to let me off with a warning?" Asking for a warning will get you out of more than you know. If you don't want to go to traffic school just fight it and keep extending out the court date out until they tell you no. By the time you show up in court the cop probably won't because the case is not fresh in his mind.

[VROOOM]

Mi Beardo es Loco- I think you missed my point, there's no need to hide on a street thats 25mph waiting to handout tickets to people going 5mph over the speed limit.

I got a ticket the other day in my van, I made a left turn around 4pm but the sign said no left turn from 12-6pm. I did it anyway because A. there was no traffic around at all B. If I went right it means I would have to go 5 blocks out of the way. C. the sign was put there so traffic doesnt congest in the parking lot I'm pulling out of. There was no traffic in the lot. The cop was hiding behind some bushes across the street and pulled me over, no joke.

My point is the cop isnt doing the public a favor hiding across the street. If he was really interested in making sure people obey the sign then he should be next to it. I know the sign is there for a reasond and I would have obeyed the sign if the traffic was heavy in the lot. I've pulled out of that lot many times when it was congested and made the right during 12-6. Due to the circumstances I made a safe left.

Tell me that cop is looking out for public safety and not to justify state revenue.

he was probably there because alot of people like yourself make illegal left turns. who knows someone could have been killed there a few days ago making that illegal left. you can complain about cops all you want but if you baltantly ignore posted signs your gonna get a ticket. now if he pulled you over for have a loud exhaust and it wasnt then i can see, but getting mad because you knowingly ignored traffic signs is retarded.

[jinesz32]

eh that sucks, i hope everything goes well with you.

i though the police are suppose to enfore the laws and set an example for us.

they break so many laws its not even funny.

i heard from some friends that some police vehicles those fords, have turbo in them.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

he was probably there because alot of people like yourself make illegal left turns. who knows someone could have been killed there a few days ago making that illegal left. you can complain about cops all you want but if you baltantly ignore posted signs your gonna get a ticket. now if he pulled you over for have a loud exhaust and it wasnt then i can see, but getting mad because you knowingly ignored traffic signs is retarded.

I sounds to me like the city needs to step in and put a stop light there with a left hand turn signal. The cops are doing exactly what they signed up to do, enforce the law, but if the city doesn't step in and get a stupid "do not make a turn from 6am-6pm" sign changed to a stop light then who's not doing their jobs? Maybe you could petition the city for the light. I know that sounds kinda lame but it COULD get you out of the ticket because you were proactive in improving the situation. Blame it on the city instead of the cops I say.

[StaticX27]

eh that sucks, i hope everything goes well with you.

i though the police are suppose to enfore the laws and set an example for us.

they break so many laws its not even funny.

i heard from some friends that some police vehicles those fords, have turbo in them.

C'mon didn't you watch Tokyo Drift? Cop cars in Japan are only factory tuned, so if you can do over 180kph, they don't even bother!

I mean seriously, do you really wanna pay for all cops to have porshes so they can actually chase after drunk drivers? There is actually a reason they have tuned cars, to chase after jackasses like us who drive around with 400+whp cars. However, driver training is all part of the police academy (not to mention federal law enforcement). Hell, I remember reading awhile back that part of the secret service training academy, you learn how to do a J-turn in a limo. Ummm, where do I sign up? :D

Beyond chasing after idiots like us, I want that cop to be running around with 400+whp so when there's a real crime taking place, they can get their asses there and deal with it instead of having to put around town in a 150hp torque-less wonder.

To the traffic light suggestion: Traffic lights probably cost the city anywhere from $5-10k per light, not to mention the cost of the laborers installing it and the amount of complaints they get when they need to shut down that street in order to install the sensors, posts, etc. Or we can go down to Costco and get a sign made for $20. Your tax money bro, all I'm saying.

Eric, like I said earlier, you do have a very legitimate claim against the police department, and you're taking the proper steps to resolve the problem. Hell, next time carry a disposable camera with you in the car and just take pictures of the cop looking at your engine bay and such so you have evidence for court. If you sit there with a camera going "Umm dude, you see this air filter box that says "Nissan" on it? Yea, that's stock." Take it down to the ref and have em check the car out. I mean from the court's point of view, how can you prove that you didn't just go home and throw all your stock parts back on the car for the purpose of fighting the ticket? One suggestion I do have for you for next time would be to tell the officer you're refusing to sign the ticket and would like to be taken to the local magistrate. From there the cop will lead you back to the magistrate where you can now have the PD's certified auto expert look over your car and say "Umm dude, it's stock..." and the ticket would be dismissed? I mean, it's time out of your day, but that action could have saved you $2000 + legal fees and such. Kind of a "hindsight is 20/20" type thing. Most people don't know you can actually refuse to sign that ticket and contest it at the local magistrate. Its not quite the same as a court appearance, but its a step in between the courts and the cop giving you the ticket. If anything, you take that bitch ass cop off the streets for a few hours and save other potential profiling victims :p

Traffic court is the biggest waste of space in the world. You go there and instantly you're guilty until proven innocent. Granted, there have been times I've fought and won my tickets there, but that's why I recommend appealing the decision of traffic court and take it to small claims court or civic courts. If you need lawyers who can handle this type of stuff, I'll be more than happy to refer to you one that works for relatively cheap. I do have family that works for federal law enforcement, and they do hear many times about people suing the city for wrongful arrest, etc, and winning their legal fees back. Its a huge headache for you, I'm sure, but that's where you weigh whether $2k is worth taking the time off of work to fight this ticket.

[s13coupedrfter]

he was probably there because alot of people like yourself make illegal left turns. who knows someone could have been killed there a few days ago making that illegal left. you can complain about cops all you want but if you baltantly ignore posted signs your gonna get a ticket. now if he pulled you over for have a loud exhaust and it wasnt then i can see, but getting mad because you knowingly ignored traffic signs is retarded.

You have a valid point.

I'm not mad that I got the ticket, it's the circumstances in which it happened.

I forgot to mention if I went right and go 5 blocks out of the way, I would be sitting at Imperial and Sepulveda contributing to the gridlock of traffic going to LAX. Fun.

[jinesz32]

eh, thats why those police are starting to have built chargers.

i heard some stories, that police lure you in, by being in cars like us, and us calling them out, and after they race, they get pulled over, the cops get them, pretty scary.

after reading that chp crap somewhere, i got pretty scared. i hate consequences :(

[StaticX27]

If that happens, immediately start throwing out terms like "Entrapment" etc. That's more than enough to get any charges thrown out if they were actually instigating the situation. Its like a cop going up and talking shit about your mother until you hit him, then arresting you for assault, that's just straight up illegal.

[firelizard]

If that happens, immediately start throwing out terms like "Entrapment" etc. That's more than enough to get any charges thrown out if they were actually instigating the situation. Its like a cop going up and talking shit about your mother until you hit him, then arresting you for assault, that's just straight up illegal.

In the scenario he described, that's not entrapment, just dumbassery.

If you challenge an undercover cop to a race, you fail.

If you challenge anybody to a race on the street, you fail anyways.

It's just funnier that you got caught by a cop.

Entrapment would be a cop challenging you to race.

[s13coupedrfter]

OK update guys, I went to the state REF to get my exhaust ticket signed off this morning. I'm here to report it didn't go so well. For starters I installed the oem 240sx exhaust just to be sure, the problem is my engine. When you go to the REF for V.C. 27150 which is modified exhaust they have to verify the engine for the test. The REF said once they verify the engine the car is set to a certain RPM for the decibel test (different eng have different test RPM's). This means if you have a swap and get a exhaust ticket you mine as well have gotten a smog REF ticket. This is another way to catch tuners with non-certified swaps in Cali. Be careful guys!

[Arashimaru]

eh, thats why those police are starting to have built chargers.

i heard some stories, that police lure you in, by being in cars like us, and us calling them out, and after they race, they get pulled over, the cops get them, pretty scary.

after reading that chp crap somewhere, i got pretty scared. i hate consequences :(

I have experienced this first hand

I was in South Pasadena, and me being unfamiliar with the place i went to a 7 11 to axe directions and there was a cop Charger. The cop was just getting out of the car as i finished parking so i asked him where the freeway entrance was. When it all comes down to it my car is totally street legal so i have no problem coming into contact with police. After he told me where the freeway was and as i was getting ready to head out, this took place

Mr. Popo - " HEY, thats a nice car"
Me - " Thanks"
Mr.Popo - " You have a SR20DET in there?"
Me - " Naw its all stock"
Mr.Popo - " You wanna race???"
Me - " haha no thanks"
Mr.Popo - " haha ok then"
Me - " thank again blah blah blah"

This was about 6 or so months ago

[drift freaq]

I have experienced this first hand

I was in South Pasadena, and me being unfamiliar with the place i went to a 7 11 to axe directions and there was a cop Charger. The cop was just getting out of the car as i finished parking so i asked him where the freeway entrance was. When it all comes down to it my car is totally street legal so i have no problem coming into contact with police. After he told me where the freeway was and as i was getting ready to head out, this took place

Mr. Popo - " HEY, thats a nice car"
Me - " Thanks"
Mr.Popo - " You have a SR20DET in there?"
Me - " Naw its all stock"
Mr.Popo - " You wanna race???"
Me - " haha no thanks"
Mr.Popo - " haha ok then"
Me - " thank again blah blah blah"

This was about 6 or so months ago

If they do what you stated above , just ask them.. Wait ,you just asked me to street race? Hold on , I am going to have to make a citizens arrest of you for inciting a street race which is illegal. I will just call the local p.d. while you wait here because I have your plate and am placing you under citizens arrest.

LOL then see the look on their face.

[steve shadows]

Entrapment would be a cop challenging you to race.

Only if there were witnesses other than you.

[StaticX27]

If they do what you stated above , just ask them.. Wait ,you just asked me to street race? Hold on , I am going to have to make a citizens arrest of you for inciting a street race which is illegal. I will just call the local p.d. while you wait here because I have your plate and am placing you under citizens arrest.

LOL then see the look on their face.

I'm gonna try that next time. That'd be funny.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Just get a sign that says you don't street race, then show the cops and say that when someone revs on you you just hold up the sign. It might be cheap insurance because the cop will respect that.]

[Psycho 240 Freak]

We shouldn't have to fear the people that we're paying for protection. So far I haven't had any issues with the police officers since I've moved to WA. Those of you who want to argue that we're breaking the law and we deserve what we get should all go and ask cops for tickets right now. Everytime you break the posted speed limit. Everytime you don't come to a complete stop at a stop sign. Everytime you jaywalk. Give me a f*cking break! You guys are the biggest hypocrites of all.