FMIC street legal?

[issac]

I need some help brothers. My cousin has a supra with a greddy fmic and got pulled over today. He got a ref ticket for his ic. Has this happened to anyone? Is the ic street legal? I never heard of this before.

[SammyGreen]

IC pipe illegal? Not in my town.... everyone and there mom has a front mount around here.

[Sileighty_85]

Damn if thats the case I wonder if there pullin over all the SR-T4's rollin around there?

But I've been rollin around without a bumper for 1 year now with my FMIC smiling at everyone, cops never said anything to me

[SR20d2fourT]

think of it like this:

Do the evo's get a legitmate pull over for it?

Srt 4's? (like that dude said)

Fight it, the cop probably had a unicorn up his ass.

[burnsauto]

a fmic isnt illegal...tons of cars come with them from the factory. thats a bogus charge. (this excludes cali and all your shitty laws... i just found out recently that SITTING in the car in cali is illegal:keke:)

[clark]

I need some help brothers. My cousin has a supra with a greddy fmic and got pulled over today. He got a ref ticket for his ic. Has this happened to anyone? Is the ic street legal? I never heard of this before.

if it's a ref ticket, can't he just put stock shit back on and get the ticket waived?

hmm, time to paint that IC black!!!

[DOOK]

front mounts are not illegal

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

it's not the front mount that is really in question here. he is on cali, so if you aren't from you you've atleast heard the horror stories. i bet what te cop did was give your cousin the ticket thinking it was an illegal turbo swap, like sr's are, just to fuck with him. if it is a legal turboed car he nothing to worry about. show up in court with his current smog cert and he will be fine. fmic are cop magnets when hey look in the front of cars here in so cal. bu like i said if the car was turbo and is a legal swap he has no problems!

[DOOK]

it's not the front mount that is really in question here. he is on cali, so if you aren't from you you've atleast heard the horror stories. i bet what te cop did was give your cousin the ticket thinking it was an illegal turbo swap, like sr's are, just to fuck with him. if it is a legal turboed car he nothing to worry about. show up in court with his current smog cert and he will be fine. fmic are cop magnets when hey look in the front of cars here in so cal. bu like i said if the car was turbo and is a legal swap he has no problems!

being a supra I'm guess either 1jz or 2jz so stock turbo he should be ok...

[corriganjoshua]

Not sure on the rules in Cali but I know where I am its illegal not to have front plates its prolly didnt have anything to do with it but...its a thought

[PhilthyS13]

I think any modification to the engine before the cat is illegal. Unless it has a carb sticker.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

He got a ref ticket for his ic.

Not sure on the rules in Cali but I know where I am its illegal not to have front plates its prolly didnt have anything to do with it but...its a thought

fmic...........license plate:wtf: :stupid: :spank:

:w00t:

[norcal_black240]

If your from cali and you dont have a fmic stock and add a aftermarket one without a carb sticker your going to the ref for sure.

Srt4 and evo's come with fmic's from factory but as far as i know supra's did not.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

being a supra I'm guess either 1jz or 2jz so stock turbo he should be ok...

that's what i was thinking!

[corriganjoshua]

fmic...........license plate:wtf: :stupid: :spank:

:w00t:
Most people use having there FMIC on as an excuse for not have plates on there car just thought

[Sonic Motor]

if its shiney and in your engine bay and you are in california, its illegal, everywhere else, BIG OK

[corriganjoshua]

If your from cali and you dont have a fmic stock and add a aftermarket one without a carb sticker your going to the ref for sure.

Srt4 and evo's come with fmic's from factory but as far as i know supra's did not.
Thats the most reasonable reason right there

[low and slow]

Supra's come with side mounts stock.

It shouldn't be hard to fight, but then again, it is California...

[Jza]

Only USDM factory FMIC and the aftermarket FMICs *with* CARB sticker is street legal.

There are a few posts regarding street legal aftermarket parts in SupraForums. Check them out.

[eulalia]

if it passes smog then your fine

if it doesnt pass smog, simply change it back to sidemount do the ref

done

[norcal_black240]

Your cousin is pretty much screwed. Unless he is lucky and can just pay a fine for the ticket. Or like 90 percent of the other people in cali you gotta go back to stock and go to the ref.

[brndck]

If your from cali and you dont have a fmic stock and add a aftermarket one without a carb sticker your going to the ref for sure.

Srt4 and evo's come with fmic's from factory but as far as i know supra's did not.
/\/\/\/\ truth
technically (and i've seen cases of asshole officers enforcing it) any non-oe part that can possibly modify emissions, that doesn't have a carb sticker, is illegal. i had a cop give me a ref ticket for having 8mm spark plug wires on my ae86; he said they were illegal cuz they were blue. i got them at fucking napa. i started giving him attitude (probably not the best idea, but i was pissed, and the car was bone-effing-stock at the time) and he told me that he had been instructed to look for anything non-factory looking and just issue a ticket for it and let the ref determine it. this was in riverside where i was issued the ticket.

SYNOPSIS: technically an aftermarket fmic that doesn't have a carb sticker will FAIL a ref inspection if the ref is going by the book. he may choose to look the other way if the car isn't otherwise heavily modified, but a state ref is probably going to fine-toothed comb that ish.

[ayuaddict]

being a supra I'm guess either 1jz or 2jz so stock turbo he should be ok...

A 1j would be bad news, perhaps you meant 7mgte?

[s14_legend]

yeah it totally sucks...behhhh damn ref tickets...just another way for the government to make their $$$

[issac]

Thanks alot fellas. His car passed emissions no prob with the fmic. But failed to come with a C.A.R.B. sticker so I will just have to swap it back to stock. Wow cali is officially the fun eliminating state.

[flip3d]

Wow. Sounds like Cali sucks.

[NorCalEvo]

dude cali does suck so so bad. i got yanked in my 03 evo last year and it was for the same shit. Cop heard my blow off valve. pulls me over looks under my hood, then he gives me a ticket for my fmic and other shit too. But my car was stock minus wheels and a coilover kit. So im pissed at him and like a dumbass start arguing. Long story short, i go to jail for a few hours, and when i got released I filed a law suit against the cop for wrongful accusation. I got my car back, written apology from the cop and the police department.

[cronux]

written apology? sue for mental damages. hah.

[Anto]

FMIC's are LEGAL with the stock turbo.

I'm trying to find the thread now.

[2,1]

WTF I would be pissed If I got pulled over becuase of I had a front mounted intercooler. Thats fuckin bull shit right there, I don't care where your from if you get pulled over becuase you have a shiney lookin raditor "wink wink" you need to find a better place to live cuz thats some steamin pile of malarkie. I've run my 1979 chevy stepside with a blown 350 with no exaust attached and didn't get pulled over...but of course it was just test run with the new motor...but thats not the point. How does a underpaid jackass like that even know the damn diffrence. Like the one dude said he probably had a unicorn shoved up his ass.

[2,1]

dude cali does suck so so bad. i got yanked in my 03 evo last year and it was for the same shit. Cop heard my blow off valve. pulls me over looks under my hood, then he gives me a ticket for my fmic and other shit too. But my car was stock minus wheels and a coilover kit. So im pissed at him and like a dumbass start arguing. Long story short, i go to jail for a few hours, and when i got released I filed a law suit against the cop for wrongful accusation. I got my car back, written apology from the cop and the police department.

Fuck a damn apology, Fuck cops, Fuck all that bull shit it gots me pissed of just thinkin about some bull shit like that. Sue Sue Sue Take that shit to dateline abc or some shit. Damn would I be wanten to go on a damn killin sprea...lol how the fuck can you smoke weed in cali but you cant drive a fmic car..aint that some shit

[womenbeshoppin]

Fuck a damn apology, Fuck cops, Fuck all that bull shit it gots me pissed of just thinkin about some bull shit like that. Sue Sue Sue Take that shit to dateline abc or some shit. Damn would I be wanten to go on a damn killin sprea...lol how the fuck can you smoke weed in cali but you cant drive a fmic car..aint that some shit

I wouldn't really say fuck ALL cops. Just the ticket assholes. I have met some really cool cops who let me off for stupid shit. Then there are the ones who are pickle dick pig assholes who give ref/fix it tickets.

[astrophixvox]

Fight it for sure!! Most of the time when i get tickets (in tx) and it's something that's ridiculous, the cops don't so up for the court session. Your friend should win the case.

[TURBOMAN]

[quote=NorCalEvo;1943393]dude cali does suck so so bad. i got yanked in my 03 evo last year and it was for the same shit. Cop heard my blow off valve. pulls me over looks under my hood, then he gives me a ticket for my fmic and other shit too. But my car was stock minus wheels and a coilover kit. So im pissed at him and like a dumbass start arguing. Long story short, i go to jail for a few hours, and when i got released I filed a law suit against the cop for wrongful accusation. I got my car back, written apology from the cop and the police department.[/quote ]

+1 hahahaha Nice [email protected]#% the police.

[EJ253]

this kind of thing is the reason i wont bring my car if i move out to socal for the summer.

daily driving (riding?) the fixie FTW

[Grenade180sx]

heres the game plan....


follows for any ENGINE.

COPS LOOK AT TWO THINGS UNDER YOUR HOOD.
1. VIN NUMBERS
2. smog equipment

i got my hood popped on my s14 sr
ref ticket for modified SMOG
not because its a "sr20det"

[!Zar!]

Aftermarket intercoolers that don't have a carb sticker, isn't leagal in california. I know this for a fact. Stop talking out of your asses people.

The cop can write you up for a ref ticked because of such. And he did.

The state ref WON'T look the other way.


heres the game plan....


follows for any ENGINE.

COPS LOOK AT TWO THINGS UNDER YOUR HOOD.
1. VIN NUMBERS
2. smog equipment

i got my hood popped on my s14 sr
ref ticket for modified SMOG
not because its a "sr20det"

No shit. Cops always write out emission tickets which send you to the ref. Swapping a motor falls under the modified emissions also.

Now a days, cops look for more than that. You can get lucky if you have a stock looking sr, but some cops can still figure out what's up.

[PRADOgy]

ANY MODIFICATION in cali under the hood is illegal.. your not allowed to touch YOUR OWN FUCKEN PROPERTY.. its stupid yes .. but we have all had this discussion dime a dozen that if it passes the sniffer it should be legal blah blah blah

[adictd2b00st]

threads like these are whats held me back from moving to cali..... ugh.

[!Zar!]

Hahaha. You let something that simple hold you back?

Sucks for you.

Buy a daily. Be done with it.

[PRADOgy]

Hahaha. You let something that simple hold you back?

Sucks for you.

Buy a daily. Be done with it.


its as true as it gets..


cant afford it?

buy your project drop all the $$ u earn while u dont have car pmnts and what not... finish..

then buy your DD.. BEWM no worries

[godzillarb]

This makes me want to drive my RB swapped, no emissions 240 around on Cali and just wave my FL tag in their faces.

Damn Nazis.

[ByeByeSti]

This makes me want to drive my RB swapped, no emissions 240 around on Cali and just wave my FL tag in their faces.

Damn Nazis.

haha i second this, i was looking into going to wyo tech this year, but the only ones with high performance powertrain were in cali. and ive been sitting here for months building my s14. so that was my deciding factor of not going there. and im planning to move to fort myers beach , florida this august instead.

Florida- no inspections last i knew :w00t:

[godzillarb]

haha i second this, i was looking into going to wyo tech this year, but the only ones with high performance powertrain were in cali. and ive been sitting here for months building my s14. so that was my deciding factor of not going there. and im planning to move to fort myers beach , florida this august instead.

Florida- no inspections last i knew :w00t:

When I got my 240 registered, they didn't even look at the car. It's awesome.

Yay Florida!

[!Zar!]

Yeah.

Who cares about global warming and quality of life!!!

[PhilthyS13]

ANY MODIFICATION in cali under the hood is illegal.. your not allowed to touch YOUR OWN FUCKEN PROPERTY

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Either you play by the rules or you don't play.

Now, if you know something is illegal and you get caught, you shouldn't complain. Most people have something illegal/out of code on their car. If cops enforced every single law on the books, the courts would be clogged.

In addition, illegal modifications are an infraction. So matter how bad it is, you won't lose your freedom. You may lose your car, but at least you get to go home.

[eulalia]

honestly, we know its illegal to swap motors, and do modifications, we cant complain when you get pulled over, and have to go to the ref, just deal with it

and honestly, even though i am contradicting myself, because i do have a swap, the smog is really bad over here.. really bad

by the time i have kids there probably going to have to wear gas mask.. lol

its funny how we look at cops in a bad way because of the ref, but honestly, we need it, because its getting bad real fast down here

[issac]

Yeah.

Who cares about global warming and quality of life!!!

Rick Moranis

[Future240]

//// truth
technically (and i've seen cases of asshole officers enforcing it) any non-oe part that can possibly modify emissions, that doesn't have a carb sticker, is illegal. i had a cop give me a ref ticket for having 8mm spark plug wires on my ae86; he said they were illegal cuz they were blue. i got them at fucking napa. i started giving him attitude (probably not the best idea, but i was pissed, and the car was bone-effing-stock at the time) and he told me that he had been instructed to look for anything non-factory looking and just issue a ticket for it and let the ref determine it. this was in riverside where i was issued the ticket.

SYNOPSIS: technically an aftermarket fmic that doesn't have a carb sticker will FAIL a ref inspection if the ref is going by the book. he may choose to look the other way if the car isn't otherwise heavily modified, but a state ref is probably going to fine-toothed comb that ish.


WOW ARE YOU SERIOUS?! :wtf: I'd heard cali was strict but wow... here in ga i'm not aware of any laws that limit car mods. I'm sure it has emissions laws and what not, but cops here don't really give a flying f*ck. I've seen people roll round with ic's showing, extra loud exhaust, washer lights, i've seen cars roll right past cops with no hood, and they cops juss kept goin. Though we do have that hella gay tint law, nothin below 35 Juss curious where would one go and find out the car laws of their city?

[Pank]

washer lights,

WHOA WATCH OUT


also, go to the DOT site for your state

[dsmtuner23]

Sooo glad I dont live in Cali after hearing this, even though massachussetts is still strict with modifications they are nothing like cali. Like here if you have a modified exhaust they will pull you over but if it looks stock and isnt loud they wouldnt. And I have never had a cop look under my hood but if one did they probably wouldnt know what they are looking at. Unlike cali where it seems any slight mod will be picked out, and EVERYTHING has to be oem...wow. I have a huge front mount on my car, but when i have been pulled over for my muffler they dont even mention anything about any other mods i have.

[idahotuner]

cops should find something better to do in cali. like catching druggies and criminals.

isnt there job "to protect and promote the common good"?
i think they should worry less about illegal mods mor about meth labs. or maybe informing high school and middle school kids about STDS

last news thing i heard was 1 out of every 4 girls has an std. sounds lieka bigger problem then having a fmic

[Mr. Jesse]

cops should find something better to do in cali. like catching druggies and criminals.

isnt there job "to protect and promote the common good"?
i think they should worry less about illegal mods mor about meth labs. or maybe informing high school and middle school kids about STDS

last news thing i heard was 1 out of every 4 girls has an std. sounds lieka bigger problem then having a fmic

Cops here don't like to "Protect and Serve" because it doesn't make the county any money, However getting us for going 5mph over the speed limit and not having a front license plate will. And I can only guess it will get worse with the declining economy. Yay!!

ps. While I was writing this a Khumo commercial came on with an S15 in it. Double Yay.

[!Zar!]

I'm so sick of everyone bitching about California.

If you don't like it, then move out.

If you don't plan on moving, shut the fuck up.

Since California cares about the environment and decided to crack down on pollution, you all start bitching about not being able to drive around your piece of shit.

It's so annoying.

[BustedS13]

(blah blah california, you know the drill)

so when you get a ref ticket do they check out the part in question or the whole car?

[!Zar!]

(blah blah california, you know the drill)

so when you get a ref ticket do they check out the part in question or the whole car?

There is no part in question.

It's written as, "Illegal emission modification". They check out the whole engine and emission system. They spend an hr or two going over the whole engine bay and then bust out ALLDATA in the process.

Then they smog it also.

[BustedS13]

There is no part in question.

It's written as, "Illegal emission modification". They check out the whole engine and emission system. They spend an hr or two going over the whole engine bay and then bust out ALLDATA in the process.

Then they smog it also.

wow. that's harsh. what's keeping you guys from registering out of state? say i'm driving around in california with missouri plates, can i get tickets for breaking california-specific shit?

[Mr. Jesse]

Don't you need an out of state address?

[BustedS13]

Don't you need an out of state address?

that's what friends are for. i know people here in STL who used to register in illinois to avoid even our meager emissions testing, before it was done away with.

[WISH ONE]

most any Mods are illegal, if you dont have carb sticks your screwed, if you dont pass visual at ref your screwed even if you pass smog emissions with flying colors. You have anything shiny in your engine bay you can get sent to ref, my friend (BRAINFOOD) got sent to ref for his HID ballast BOX, i myself have been to ref, pay the 300+ dollars and its done.... for a little while.... for the record, I love CALI and i love where i live, you drive a modded car be prepared to deal with it... i wish i lived in the middle of nowhere so i could drive my s13 naked and with no exhaust and no one would care.... GL with ref. or dont even go and just pay the fine at the court once you see the judge.

oh and if you go, they expect your car to be as untouched as it was when it was brand new from factory, even if its 20 years old.

[firelizard]

Hmm, Cali sounds pretty harsh on tuners... oh well.

Firelizard's (fantasy) checklist:
1. Swap in TT 20B
2. Drive to California and rub it in

[Future240]

WHOA WATCH OUT

also, go to the DOT site for your state


Yea I have heard they are illegal, I don't have them, but they are pretty popular here, I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for washer lights. The DOT sucks so much, I spent like 30 min looking. I know for a fact GA has a tint law, I typed tint in the search box, came up with nada.

[!Zar!]

You can reg out of state.

But once a cop sees you more than once it's pretty much over.

[irax]

ANY MODIFICATION in cali under the hood is illegal.. your not allowed to touch YOUR OWN FUCKEN PROPERTY.. its stupid yes .. but we have all had this discussion dime a dozen that if it passes the sniffer it should be legal blah blah blah

blah blah blah

there are lots of aftermarket parts that are carb legal, and as long as you use carb legal parts you can do what ever you want.

sure, you cant turbo a ka, or do anything power worthy with it. but you can fucking swap in a 2jzgte from a supra

or a F20C

or, a fucking ls1

so shut the fuck up, stop acting like you can not do anything to make your piece of shit fast.

[punxva]

blah blah blah

there are lots of aftermarket parts that are carb legal, and as long as you use carb legal parts you can do what ever you want.

sure, you cant turbo a ka, or do anything power worthy with it. but you can fucking swap in a 2jzgte from a supra

or a F20C

or, a fucking ls1

so shut the fuck up, stop acting like you can not do anything to make your piece of shit fast.


actually the greddy kit is carb legal :) for turboing the ka

[!Zar!]

actually the greddy kit is carb legal :) for turboing the ka

Bullshit.

Stop spreading lies.

The kit never has and never will be legal.

[WISH ONE]

sts has some legal turbo kits... for ka not sure but its only a matter of time.

[sldbyuramg]

well the IC is illegal unless he has a carb number for it... the ic would have to be a direct replacement of the stock intercooler, which i believe on a turbo supra is a side mount IC but i could be wrong...either way the swap cannot change the amount of airflow or the routing of airflow unless it has a carb number......................IN CA. other states i have no idea

[INeedNewTires]

CARB this and CARB that, does anyone have a pic of a CARB sticker? Are they different for different products or are they a universal standard? Do you think some of us (not in cali*) that dont really have ref tickets just put a few of CARB stickers on our "shiney'est" parts and explain to the cop that I bought all CARB legal products so i'm free and clear from any ref laws....

and if YES, then maybe we could look into duplicating or purchasing these carb stickers............


* And i said except cali because i'm assuming these CARB stickers have barcodes on them so that if you actually went to a ref inspection they would scan them and know their all phony, however cops here in texas would be like, "welp, carb sounds good just slow down boy and git on down the road ya hear!?"

[trsilvias13]

Hmm, Cali sounds pretty harsh on tuners... oh well.

Firelizard's (fantasy) checklist:
1. Swap in TT 20B
2. Drive to California and rub it in


No worries about Rotary motor. My jdm 13brew in my 7 was mildy modify and when the cop asked me to pop the hood, he was like what motor is this. He had to call a "specialist" to come. I waited 10 minutes for him to come and he was chatting me about it. In the end, he wanted to let me go, but the original cop wouldnt let me go so I got a "loud exhaust" - no ref needed. I knew I would have gotten it sooner or later rolling around with a 3in dp, no cat, 3in mid, 4in axle back, to a muffler with 4in inlet and outlet and the muffler is rougly 6in long (mangaflow).

Also, the cop told me if you get caught for modification under the hood you go to the ref, but if you get just an "modified exhaust" - depending on which code (there is 2) you may have to go to the ref. The

[!Zar!]

No worries about Rotary motor. My jdm 13brew in my 7 was mildy modify and when the cop asked me to pop the hood, he was like what motor is this. He had to call a "specialist" to come. I waited 10 minutes for him to come and he was chatting me about it. In the end, he wanted to let me go, but the original cop wouldnt let me go so I got a "loud exhaust" - no ref needed. I knew I would have gotten it sooner or later rolling around with a 3in dp, no cat, 3in mid, 4in axle back, to a muffler with 4in inlet and outlet and the muffler is rougly 6in long (mangaflow).

Also, the cop told me if you get caught for modification under the hood you go to the ref, but if you get just an "modified exhaust" - depending on which code (there is 2) you may have to go to the ref. The

So what's your point to that post?

Do you want a cookie?

So, you lucked out. I know many F-chassis owners who have been sent to the ref.

[whiteytighties]

Fmic's are illegal on cars that originally did not come from the factory like that. Even modding a factory car with a fmic with a bigger intercooler or aftermarket is illegal.

Fact is: Any modifications done to your engine/drivetrain/emissions is illegal.

[Future240]

[quote=INeedNewTires;1949989]
and if YES, then maybe we could look into duplicating or purchasing these carb stickers............quote]

And imagine what kind of ticket you would get for having a fake carb sticker:loco: , they might just crush your car.

[usdm180sx]

It's not illegal to have a fmic mounted per se, but it gives the popos the impression that you have something illegal under your hood. Now that your friend got a ref ticket he'll have to get it fixed or pay the fine.

[INeedNewTires]

What if you had locking hood pins, and you didnt have the key with you? What would/could he do to make you pop it? impound the vehicle? or worse?

[steve shadows]

^ Kill your whole family in the name of saving the Earth

[DunG HAB SP]

well had my 335i for a bout a month put on a bov....HAHA got a pulled over DAMn cop said BMW dont put blowers on their cars....
eh what are you suppose to do ..... you cant teach an old dog new tricks right....

[steve shadows]

wow :ugh: ..........

[Driftapparel.com]

A few of us usually spit the cost of a PO Box in Arizona and have all of our cars registered there. You can still have all the mail sent to a different address so it works out. As far as the cops seeing you more than once, fortunately I live in Palm Springs and just tell them im on vacation. Works well. the cost of the po box is 35 a month so split that between 3-5 guys and ur all good.

[str8sidewayz]

i was plannning on moving to cali soon. with my company. im about to keep my car registered and insured in ny w my parents soo i can drive around all day and tell the smog n emissions n ref. ppl to go fukk themselves

[RedSVTFlareside]

It might be illegal and it might not be illegal. Laws are written vague on purpose that they they can be interpreted in court. Have you ever got an excessive speed ticket for peeling out? Technically you weren't breaking the speed limit. You were just breaking traction. If anything, it was excessive acceleration. I don't know what to say. I try not to drive my 240sx at night, this helps. I still got pulled over for having aftermarket exhaust, in oklahoma where there is no emissions testing. But then again, I was pulled over in my M3 for 'looking like a drug dealer'. yea.... I've never touched a drug. I wish some laws were interpreted more directly and better written in the first place.