building a track

[KasperSlide]

any one know a company to consult about how to build a drift/small track or materials needed to build.
help would be appreciated
questions and dickish comments mot needed....

[johngriff]

Setup information interviews with other track owners.

I am sure they have all the info you need.

/thread.

[khilgers]

I would say you best bet is to talk to some of the owners of local tracks. They could probably get you some names and phone #'s of people they've worked with. Just a thought.

[da1ndonly]

Like he said Setup information interviews with other track owners.

I am sure they have all the info you need.

just know what you want to do how and where then you could probably get an asphalt laying company like the ones who do parking lots to do it just be sure that you get someone that knows about that then i think you should be good to go dont know about zoning laws and all that just be sure to also look into that

[azndoc]

If your really serious then you can consult with Noaki from Drift Day.

His email is

[email protected]

Just keep in mind that if he doesn't answer you then that's probably because he gets like 50 emails a day and can't answer them all.

GL

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Buy 1 acre or more or less of land. Pave wide open parking lot. Purchase hundreds of cones.

/thread

[njd07]

how much you guys figure to build one of these...dont you need millions of $$$??

[mr_240sx]

depends how big and what kind of quality work you get done....

[slideways2004]

Buy 1 acre or more or less of land. Pave wide open parking lot. Purchase hundreds of cones.

/thread

fuck that. why would you build a parking lot. a thread like this pops up like 2-3 months. its way to hard but its doable. what makes it hard is having to deal with the city about noise, location and just racing shit. and the most expensive part is to lay down the asphalt b/c you want that shit smooth

[ILoveMyRHS13]

A parking lot would be fun to practice if you're a beginner, I guess. Buy a small figure 8 track?

[OptionZero]

The obstacles to buying the land are formidable enough that anyone who needs to ask how to do it is probably never going to get remotely far into the process.

[!Zar!]

Leveling, paving and, licensing. First cover those. Because even if it's your own property you have to get it cleared with the county first.

Aside from that. I could help you if you were serious, but I don't have any connections out in your neck of the woods.

Design a track like Ebisu. Oh yeah.

[OptionZero]

Buy ur own island nation, fuck government bullshit. be ur own government.

Then hook up with some shipping company and cruise lines. Vacation and drift spot in one, except most drifters are too poor to take an island vacation, damn.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Buy one on a big hill and set it up like Sekia Hills. Doesn't matter, just make it tight and technical!

[drftwerks]

fuck leveling, all about elevation changes.

[Phlip]

Responses all to the OP:
Getting a large enough piece of land in NC will be a problem, unless you can find an old out of use general aviation airport, or even possess the liquid cash to buy one out.
Keep in mind, though, that if you can afford to fully pave one of those, you'd likely be in business with your NEXT problem, which would be neighbors. Yes, neighbors. I don't know about Fayetteville, where your IP tells me that you're from, but up here in Greensboro the local residents have bitched and moaned about noise at Piedmont Triad International Airport about the constant expansions and more recently the addition of the FedEx hub, which has been in the works for several years now. Yes, even huge ass FedEx hasn't been able to jump through all the hoops that can be created when the neighbors begin bitching about noise.
What I suggest, seriously, is to get with the owner of the dragstrip down there in Fayetteville and see how much land HE has there and if he is willing to make his facilities more of a motorsports park instead... Again, I am speaking in terms of comparison to up here in Guilford county, but the strip here is becoming more friendly to the drifters, and are about to use that to level/pave off almost all of their HUGE facility, and use that as an excuse to up the strip from 1/8 to 1/4 mile... His secret is that he has been there longer than his neighbors and owns a fuck ton of the land. I understand that you may be trying to do this yourself, but keep in mind that "know-who" is often more than "know-how" and far less painful than throwing money at the problem.

[McRussellPants]

fuck that. why would you build a parking lot. a thread like this pops up like 2-3 months. its way to hard but its doable. what makes it hard is having to deal with the city about noise, location and just racing shit. and the most expensive part is to lay down the asphalt b/c you want that shit smooth

no what makes it hard is trying to get the investors to back a 20 year old kid with a 500$ car with half a million dollars. When your business plan is to market to some of the poorest people on the planet (drifters).

the rest is a phone call away.

[raging panda]

no what makes it hard is trying to get the investors to back a 20 year old kid with a 500$ car with half a million dollars. When your business plan is to market to some of the poorest people on the planet (drifters).

the rest is a phone call away.

truth.

this has all been looked into before in different areas. even for those who had the funds to complete a facility, they ran into issues with zoning, licensing, approvals, etc. you have to go through government to get enviromental impact research done, licenses to operate a rack track, other crappy things that kept anyone from opening any new tracks. dont know about your neck of the woods, but thats what goes down everywhere else its been tried.

[blasting_speed]

This looks cool. Here's some info you might want to try.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/blasting_speed/altamontDriftland.jpg

[KasperSlide]

thanks for being friendly about this thread. i dont post here much do to the fact that most threads end up as a pissing contest.

i spoke to the realtor today ive set up an appointment on Monday to see some land(25+ acres, 4good price) in the cumberland county area. its been used to get fill dirt from so its likley cleared for the most part. He's going down town before monday to check zoning. ive told him what im planning for this land so he's workn with me on finding all the info out. any more ideas and info on this subject

[KA-T_240]

If you do it, props.

It will cost lots of money, and take a while to get started.

If you are going to do it, make it so the area appeals to more the drifters. aka drag strip also.

[sil40drift]

fuck that. why would you build a parking lot. a thread like this pops up like 2-3 months. its way to hard but its doable. what makes it hard is having to deal with the city about noise, location and just racing shit. and the most expensive part is to lay down the asphalt b/c you want that shit smooth

Not to Mention Insurance, since you are hosting events where people can potentialy hurt them self

[Rnz520]

I dont know if you really need insurance, usually they make you sign a waiver where it says if anything happens its not their fault and blah blah blah.
Mad props if you get this done, be sure I will be one of your customers :).

[racepar1]

You are getting in over your head my friend. First of all a flat track is boring as fuck so you need some elevation changes. Second of all you need to prepare the area that you are going to pave over, you can't just slap a ton of asphalt on an un-prepared surface as it will sink over time and get lumpy. Third you need a LOT of money as it will take a LOT of asphalt to pave even a tiny track. You need to pave at the right time of year (not too hot, cold, or humid) or else you will have problems with the asphalt coming up. You need permits to operate such a facility and you will need to consult with a lawyer about liability issues. Every single event MUST have a safety crew of some sort. You need basic facilities like bathrooms. Don't forget maintenance costs as the pavement will need to be touched up pretty regularly. And before you do any of this you need to consult with a track designer. You need someone with experience doing the final design as just because it looks good on paper does not mean that it will be good to drive.

[KA-T_240]

^After that post. Close thread.


We had a guy going to build a track in the middle of nowhere about 150 miles from where I live. He had 20-25million ready to go and realized, it was not going to happen. So, now he bought a different track and is renovating/upgrading ....

[Gnnr]

I think Insurance would be the biggest issue. Definitely look into abandoned air strips, or areas around existing ones. We recently got a new track made from someone who bought an old touch and go air strip.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

You are getting in over your head my friend. First of all a flat track is boring as fuck so you need some elevation changes. Second of all you need to prepare the area that you are going to pave over, you can't just slap a ton of asphalt on an un-prepared surface as it will sink over time and get lumpy. Third you need a LOT of money as it will take a LOT of asphalt to pave even a tiny track. You need to pave at the right time of year (not too hot, cold, or humid) or else you will have problems with the asphalt coming up. You need permits to operate such a facility and you will need to consult with a lawyer about liability issues. Every single event MUST have a safety crew of some sort. You need basic facilities like bathrooms. Don't forget maintenance costs as the pavement will need to be touched up pretty regularly. And before you do any of this you need to consult with a track designer. You need someone with experience doing the final design as just because it looks good on paper does not mean that it will be good to drive.

flat tracks can be fun for drifting, but for most other racing it would be boring after a while. other wise most info here seems right on. the realtor can only help you so much. get a lawyer working on this with you nooow!

and consider this, if you put in a 3 stall garage as part of your track you can rent that space out to a local garage to help with costs during the first year.

[chris300zr]

fuck leveling, all about elevation changes.

fuck yes. Ebisu anyone?

[jackjack]

Because even if it's your own property you have to get it cleared with the county first.
.

^thats the first thing i would check. after that, if you have the $$$$$ your're all good to go.

[KasperSlide]

we have an investor witch happens to be my partners grandparents they really want to support us in everything we do. there planing on moving to NC next summer they have two businesses they run in GA. so there going to be a big help. my partner just served two terms in iraq and just got out of the military 2 months ago. i think his family just want to make sure hes happy and wealthy now. so finacialy i think we can do it

i was planning on puting a small shop there to bring in other money while the track is closed/out of season

sry but this isnt going to be a huge track b/c i know more ppl here that want a place to drift then ppl that want to grip. so if the do grip drive then they might get a lil bored due to the size. but of course this all depends on the size of the land ill be looking at on moday

[KasperSlide]

oh elevation changes of course. it being used to extract fill dirt im sure it has plenty.

azndoc: what can this Noaki guy tell me.? is he the founder of drift days or something

[Gnnr]

Even if its a small track it can be used for karting or bikes. Depending how its designed. Its never good to target just one nitch group. When the facilities aren't being used, your losing money.

[EDacIouSX]

i forget what its called but there's that one style of "racing" i suppose where you have two cars compete and you put up a small tiny course with cones. Both drivers start at the same time and they try to complete the mini course.

it could be as simple as two cones and you gotta go from cone a to cone b then turn around and get back to cone a... the more complex the more fun but the whole point is to be competitive and have the best time.

[racepar1]

Even if its a small track it can be used for karting or bikes. Depending how its designed. Its never good to target just one nitch group. When the facilities aren't being used, your losing money.

EXACTLY!!! If you think you can make this profitable off of nothing but drifters you are out of your mind. You NEED to build a track that can be used for everything if you wanna be profitable. I mean how many drift events a year can you possibly book? Now if you can book drift, grip, motorcycles, and maybe karts you can have it booked every single weekend.

[KasperSlide]

this is true, but i have to find the appeal for these events.i know i have the customer base for this type of track/events. i would always be interested in finding more clientel for other aspects of racing. to expand and make money is the ultimate goal.
Ebisu's drift land would be more of what im looking to do with a few higher speed
branch's.....

[Phlip]

Not to Mention Insurance, since you are hosting events where people can potentialy hurt them self
VERY important, especially giving how litigious a country we live in.
I dont know if you really need insurance, usually they make you sign a waiver where it says if anything happens its not their fault and blah blah blah.
Mad props if you get this done, be sure I will be one of your customers :).
See my response just above... Not having insurance is asking to be bent over and taken advantage of, prison-style in this kind of business.
Even if its a small track it can be used for karting or bikes. Depending how its designed. Its never good to target just one nitch group. When the facilities aren't being used, your losing money.
Brilliant!!! I think I may have mentioned it, but a "motorsports park," sufficient for karts and bikes would be a surefire way to keep the people coming in.
I think Insurance would be the biggest issue. Definitely look into abandoned air strips, or areas around existing ones. We recently got a new track made from someone who bought an old touch and go air strip.
I know I mentioned that one, it is a great idea, there were some kids who used to fuck around on one near Rocky Mount, NC a few years back, I went out once or twice myself, but haven't in a long time.


I still suggest getting with the owner of the drag strip down there, in the interest of putting it all together.

[murda-c]

I dont know if you really need insurance, usually they make you sign a waiver where it says if anything happens its not their fault and blah blah blah.
Mad props if you get this done, be sure I will be one of your customers :).

That waiver is probably the only reason they can even get insurance.

[KasperSlide]

Being apart of fay motor speed way would mean I would have to do things the way they want it. If anyone has seen their track on a busy night it's ridiculous 2/3's of the people there aren't there for racing, they are there to act a fool, drink, cause drama/fights. I would NOT want to be apart of that AT ALL

[Phlip]

Say what you will, but that is actually exactly how things were with Piedmont up here. When they start to see the money coming in for more than just drag racing on Thursday and select Saturdays and Sundays, they begin to make some changes. In such, the whole facility gets better as a result. I can understand that you might not WANT to mess with them, but the fact remains that it is a very good idea to at least kick the idea around.

[fromxtor]

Kind of wonder why you didn't post this on carolinanissans.com?

http://www.racehighrock.com/index.php

http://www.racehighrock.com/images/track.jpg

[KasperSlide]

fromxtor: havent been on there in a long time i probably dont have an account with them any more nor do i remember my password. but that looks amazing hope to visit them when they open.

[tougemiata]

I have some insight. Long story short, my dad autocrosses, wants a closer track. He did everything from talking to the government, city councils about noise issues and traffic issues, and asphalt companies.

Even IF he could get the area to agree to said track, and with out discount with the company (our neighbor owns Granite Construction), it came out to a little over 1.1 MILLION DOLLARS per acre. Thats flat land, decent asphalt, no fences, paint, garage, nothing. So yea, its bank and thats for out here in Cali, sacramento/stockton area.

Getting people around your proposed track however will be another issues altogether, but you are in NC, so there is less people.

[fromxtor]

^^ I know someone who's in w/ the owner of that track I mentioned, and it seems they are going to be up for road racing, drift, auto-x etc.

[KasperSlide]

tougemiata: lol man its not like were a bunch of hicks that live 2 miles apart from one another but yes land will be less expensive then cali.

[SlideStyle180]

So... heres everything in a nutshell. Donald Trump, Johnnie Cochran, Granite Rock... and Judge Judy to rule out on your favor when times get tough with the neighborhood. After that, let's drift. Good luck bro, not that you need it, just a couple $mill$... :D

[KasperSlide]

lol,we will see my friend. in the mean time i thank you for all of your suggestions. i glad this didnt turn in to a bashing thread....
thanks

[!Zar!]

So have you looked into contacting the city yet for a permit?

Who's going to insure you?

You need to look into that first before anything else.

That one track called, "driftland" Is altamont. They were closed down due to permit problems.

[LB.Motoring]

Oh, its going to be a nightmare to get it legit....


You have to be 100% serious to do this...


I do grading and civil engineering, you would need tons of work, Imported soil, Perc testing, who knows your soil could compact or not, you dont know,

Start with city see if and how you can, then go to a civil engineering firm and consult them, I just did a moto x track, but its a little different, (all dirt etc., but similar idea)

[yudalicious]

I also think getting a permit from the city may be hard. Also. Having a small track that caters just to cheap ass 20 y/o drifters (in NC) is screaming fail to me, even if you do get it up and running.

[nizm0_kid]

u should juss contact the guys at the track closest 2 u and ask them wassup

[Phlip]

I also think getting a permit from the city may be hard. Also. Having a small track that caters just to cheap ass 20 y/o drifters (in NC) is screaming fail to me, even if you do get it up and running.

u should juss contact the guys at the track closest 2 u and ask them wassup

Guys, is it really necessary to repeat what has been said over and over again in this thread? I mean, neither of you has said anything that hasn't been mentioned in this thread already.

[smellslikecurry]

u should juss contact the guys at the track closest 2 u and ask them wassup















Also, a good ballpark for roadway construction costs (I would assume this would also apply to race tracks) is $100/lane foot.

If you assume that the track is three lanes wide (40 feet) and 2.5 miles long, that gives you $4 million. Thats assuming no major grading obstacles. Add for parking lots, entry roadways, buildings, etc as desired.

EDIT: That may have gone up however, as asphalt has shot up with the cost of oil. You would be looking at about 20,000 tons of pavement, which runs $110 a ton, or $2.2 million in just materials.

2.5 miles of track would probably cost about 1 to 2 million per mile for an exceptional quality road surface assuming little to no clearing and minimal grading. That's just for laying the road. Now include track design, infrastructure, zoning, legalities, advertising, etc and it gets really pricey.
taken from another forum


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_International_Circuit
that cost 150 mill to build

"A group of us are in the process right now:

http://www.arkansasmotorsportranch.com

Here is what it is costing us:

2 million for land
+
1 million per mile of racetrack, so 2 million for 2 mile road course
+
1 million for parking lot and other infrastructure elements
+
1 million for clubhouse facility (read, large metal building with a cantina and lockerooms)
+
4 million for engineers, designers, architects, safety inspections, EPA inspections, insurance, safety, and other miscellaneous contruction and expense

grand total = 10 million and this is a really bare bones setup

Insurance and upkeep annually will be nuts so factor that in."