s13 v. s14

[mousebum]

What are your guys/gals take on this. Which is a better car for the money the s13 or s14?? I like both cars and can't choose between them.......suggestions please?? Im also fairly tall at 6'1" if it makes any difference.

[SilviaDriver]

get a s14, looks better <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> u can alawys get a cheap s13 and fix it up with the money left over

[Bbandit]

its rather hard to find an s13 in mint condition...
yet.. most s14s are in good condition...
if you want to go aggressive.. go with s13.. find a cheap one and built it...
if you want to go cool.. go with s14
i personally like s13.. but only the coupes...
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[One-Eighty SX]

I have the same problem as you do b/c i love ther fastback and the s14 body stlying. Its pretty hard for me to choose. Plus go to Heavythrottle they are selling a 93 fastback wid a sr20det in it. here is the specs and price for it too


The car is a 93 240sx

Price is $7500

Mods.
Redtop Sr with 32K miles.
We installed everything, so things are very clean.
Side mount intercooler - very good for quick spoolup.
N1 dual, Greddy profec A, Greddy Turbo Timer
Greddy Pulleys.
Nismo clutch with a ACT pressure plate
3" downpipe and test pipe.
KYB AXG and eibach springs.

The car is in very good mechanical condition. Exterior - well, it might need
a paint job.

[SimpleS14]

S14, looks better and has more room compared to the S13. &nbsp;Oh yea....also because I have one. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Chokets]

based on looks? girl said to me "my friend has an 240sx, it's not cool..." then she saw my S14 and said "oh, yours is cool! my friend must have an older model or something!"
but then again whaddoo girls know about cool cars? they like celicas and eclipses. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[SIEKER]

i like all the different styles...so it's hard to recomend one. i'm partial to the fastback, but really clean fastbacks are hard to find for under 5k (in my area). the s14 is beautiful, but more exspensive. and the s13 coupe is pretty nice, but not my style (allthough i see lots of potential in building an s13 sleeper because of the old school look).

what it comes down to is this:

-get an s13 with extra money for performance
-get an s14 for the newer look/comfort/etc but have less money for performance

if you care about wieght, i believe the s13 is alot lighter than the s14 chasis as well...something to chew on.

[whateverjames]

i think the S13 looks pretty damn good, considering it's cost. but i must say, the S14 looks better considering it's cost. but you can't go wrong, that's the good thing.

[Potatoskins02]

hmm simple solution.....

buy an s13 then do a s14 front end conversion..... ok that may be a little bit pricey but if you want the best of both worlds here you go.

[kanekz]

S14 suckas! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> No, but really depends on what you want with the car. IMHO, I say for daily driving and stuff, S14 is great. If you want to go a little more balls out and take the car out for some good track,auto-x, canyon runs the S13 usually has more of a stronger fell to it. It fells like its "one" with the ground (responsive??). Also, your budget of course.

I love mt S14 though. O ya, my PICS coming up soon!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[Yoshi]

I'm all about the fastback <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
so much so that soon I'll have 2 of them &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[LanceS13]

I'd have to go along with what pretty much everybody else is saying.
If you want a track/autox/street monster, you could easily build an S13 into one for under $15K total investment.
If you want a little more comfort and one of the sexiest body styles ever to come off any production line, go with the S14mc. &nbsp;I'm not a big fan of the '95-'96 S14's. &nbsp;
Now if you're well off or have good hook-ups, get an S14mc and then build it into a track/autox/street monster. &nbsp;They're a little heavier, but you can also fit wider wheels than on the S13's. &nbsp;Then you have those good looks on top of that.
Bottom line...both are great cars IMO.

[misnomer]

Meh

I am of the opinion that after the DOHC s13, 240s just got uglier and uglier <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[HippoSleek]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'>

Weight isn't a huge factor - what are we talking 80 lbs? &nbsp;Not much. &nbsp;S13 looks like it was designed 15 years ago. &nbsp;No airbag. &nbsp;uncomfortable, tweed seats. &nbsp;no cup holder. &nbsp;power windows and locks as an option. &nbsp;mouse belts. &nbsp;brown as an interior color. &nbsp;dated styling. &nbsp;flimsy chassis.

The s14 is a tad heavier (and usually is due to all power options and most w/ moonroofs). &nbsp;Everything that is better about an s13 (more rigid suspension) would probably be changed anyway.

[98SilviaS14]

at 6'1" i'd say go with the s14, i have several friends above 6 feet and they fit in my car just fine. i dunno about the s13, but i've heard that it's difficult if you're tall...

[huevos]

I am 6'2". I have no comfort problems with my S13, or at least not any more than I do with any other car.

[Stee Flo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ Nov. 08 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd have to go along with what pretty much everybody else is saying.
If you want a track/autox/street monster, you could easily build an S13 into one for under $15K total investment.
If you want a little more comfort and one of the sexiest body styles ever to come off any production line, go with the S14mc. I'm not a big fan of the '95-'96 S14's.
Now if you're well off or have good hook-ups, get an S14mc and then build it into a track/autox/street monster. They're a little heavier, but you can also fit wider wheels than on the S13's. Then you have those good looks on top of that.
Bottom line...both are great cars IMO.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I agree with lance, both cars are great cars. Both can be made into monsters. If money allowed i would have both s13 and s14. &nbsp;I like the s13 coupe if you convert the front end and make a silvia, other wise the onevia look is ugly. &nbsp;I really like my s14. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[Foxcolt]

I think a lot of people frown on the s13 just because they view the car as "old". But with the right mods that can can look just as good if not better than an s14 anyday.

Nothing can beat a clean coupe with an silvia front end

Jed
Who wouldn't trade his s14 for anything <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[Chokets]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Stee Flo @ Nov. 08 2002,2:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I really like my s14. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't you mean "you LOVE it"... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

that's right, my eyes see what you really mean! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

[Ni5mo180SX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Nov. 07 2002,1:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'>

Weight isn't a huge factor - what are we talking 80 lbs? Not much. S13 looks like it was designed 15 years ago. No airbag. uncomfortable, tweed seats. no cup holder. power windows and locks as an option. mouse belts. brown as an interior color. dated styling. flimsy chassis.

The s14 is a tad heavier (and usually is due to all power options and most w/ moonroofs). Everything that is better about an s13 (more rigid suspension) would probably be changed anyway.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Repeating yourself a bit with the styling ques remark dont you think? If you really honestly care whether your car has power windows, locks and cup holders &nbsp;( &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'> ) then go with the S14.

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Weight isn't a huge factor - what are we talking 80 lbs? Not much. S13 looks like it was designed 15 years ago. No airbag. uncomfortable, tweed seats. no cup holder. power windows and locks as an option. mouse belts. brown as an interior color. dated styling. flimsy chassis.
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whatever hippo we all know your bias is so strong it blinds you to making statements like above.
Air bag?? These are sports cars folks air bags add weight. seats ? S14 seats are not much better . You want to get serious about seats your gonna dump those S14 seats as well.
Power windows and locks came on all S13 SE's and LE's standard equipment. Only S13 they did come on was base models.
mouse belts ya but that is not that big of an issue as kid Zelda and several socal240 members have proven.
brown as interior color, you do not have to buy the car unless your are desperate to get one like some of us were.
dated styling is your opinion . IMHO the S13 fastback does not look that dated.
a lot of the current crop of modern cars are downright ugly and in comparison the S13 hatch looks nice.
flimsy chassis ? hahahahha it may not be quite as stiff as the S14 chassis but guess what its still so solid that the 180sx is still a top choice drift car in Japan over the S14 Silvia .
you cannot drift without a pretty solid chassis.
Oh yeah I forgot you are anti drift hippo. well that is just more bias on your part.
You see hippo nothing personal here you just opened your mouth and bias comes out.
oh yeah the s14 is several hundred pounds heavier I do not know where you got the 80lbs quote.
Yes hippo I have driven both cars stock and setup.
The S14 feels and drives like a bigger car. the only S14 I have seen that does not is my buddys S14 track car which is completely stripped out with Ground Controls on Koni's and a RB25 under the hood
you want a all out sports car go S13 for a steal. You want a sports luxury car go S14 .
don't get me wrong here S14's are cool . But I am sick of S14 Nazi's claiming there cars are superior and S13's suck .
Both cars can be cool but different.
You hippo are as bad as the SR Nazi's who claim KA's are no good.
when you can lose your overwhelming bias maybe then you can speak up in a thread like this

[s13rookie]

i agree with drift freak on some points. &nbsp;its your car, not mine, buy what YOU like. &nbsp;i love the look of a s13 coupe, you may like the h/b. oh well, i drive my car, you drive yours. &nbsp;for the money, id pick the s13 coupe, turbo the ka, and still have enough money to buy you taco bell after slapping you around in a race. &nbsp;i own a s13 coupe, so i guess im biased, but i do like the way a s14 looks. &nbsp;but on a lim budget, go s13. &nbsp;id rather own a ass-ugly FAST car, than a good looking slow car

[91CRXsiR]

the S13 coupe is kinda boxy, the JDM ppl love it for the SILVIA conversion , i personally like the coupe... BUT it does look kinda old...


the S13 fastback looks more modern, and looks very sporty, more so i think than a S14 w/ the acception of the S14a, which would cost you ur left nut.

the S14 is even more modern and chicks love it... because its cute and they don't know what the hell it is... [seriously]

and about the cost... a s13 will run you like 2-4K , s14 4-7K..

so the different is about 2-3K not really HUGE.. if you plan to keep this car for a while, just get what you like because you dont want to stare at ther other models later on down the road and say .. damn .[like i do everytime i see a koop].


my $.02 =)

[HippoSleek]

Wow - people can't seem to take a fair chunk of sarcasm mixed with fact around here... that or some people have an axe to drift...err... grind.

Let's do it this way: &nbsp;
N1smo180 - yeah, I did repeat myself a bit on the styling issue. &nbsp;There really aren't a lot of differences. &nbsp;The s14 has a slightly stiffer chassis, better brakes, much weaker springs, and bigger wheels w/ crappier tires. &nbsp;After early-92 (when the good cams died), there were no functional drivetrain differences. &nbsp;Hence, the difference b/n the two is mostly a matter of taste.

drift freaq-
1. &nbsp;If you are going to insult me, try to do it with comprehensible English.

2. &nbsp;Air bags save lives - even Ferraris have them.

3. &nbsp;s13 owners pay $300 for s14 seats, not the other way around. &nbsp;That's 1/2 the cost of "racing" reclinable buckets. &nbsp;There must be some reason... &nbsp;Having sat in both, I know the reason.

4. &nbsp;Mouse belts are a big issue - replacing them is illegal and will cause you to fail where there is an annual inspection. &nbsp;Not to mention that we are not talking about built cars or race cars, but newly bought street cars (ditto the seat point).

5. &nbsp;Dated styling is a purely aesthetic point. &nbsp;Some people might like brown and tweed. &nbsp;Some people might like the look of new cars. &nbsp;:shrug:

6. &nbsp;You're right - I didn't consider the prestige of being a drift car in Japan... but on that logic, the king-shit of all cars would be the AE-86. &nbsp;Are you going to tell me that is an optimum car chassis? &nbsp;A mid-80's COROLLA?!? &nbsp;The question wasn't "What is the leading drift car in Japan, now that all the 86's are rusted out?" &nbsp;The introduction of drift and the implication of why drifter's chose the s13 would be your bias leading you outside the question at hand to make an unrequested point. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'>

7. &nbsp;Becuase I don't want to break the flow, posted below are the .jpg scans of C&D articles on the s13 and s14 (thanks to 240sx.org). &nbsp;Several hundred pounds heavier? &nbsp;You know that several is more than a couple, more than a few... usually 5 to 7 and up... hundred pounds. &nbsp;You might be right... IF YOUR S13 IS ON THE FVCKIN MOON. &nbsp;The s13 (w/ sohc) is rated at 2795 lbs. &nbsp;The s14...wait for it... 2860. &nbsp;Edmunds actually shows the '93 s13 SE hatch as *heavier* than a '95 s14.

8. &nbsp;Neither lays claim to "all out sports car" - but the s14 has better numbers in skidpad and braking (remember, same motor except '91 cams). &nbsp;Look at the C&D articles below. &nbsp;That isn't bias, it's fact. &nbsp;Proven, scientifically verifiable fact.

Honestly, I've got nothing against s13's outside of the styling. &nbsp;As noted above, they are VERY similar mechanically. &nbsp;The only real difference is chassis, looks and options. &nbsp;That said, the s14 has a better chassis and almost every option standard (which is nice unless you are building such a race car that those 15 lbs of electronics powering your windows, door locks, and mirrors is too much). &nbsp;If you've got money to get a nice s13 or a clapped s14, get the s13 if you like the looks. &nbsp;But between the two, my opinion - which I believe was the POINT of this thread - is that the s14 represents as good or better performance with more featrues, better potential, and not much difference in price. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

dorifto freakideeki: &nbsp;When you start a flame with me, arm yourself with some facts. &nbsp;You came in here with nothing but unsupported opinion and personal preference - which would have been fine, as it was within the ambit of the topic. &nbsp;But using that to flame me? &nbsp;If you are going to flame - use facts. &nbsp;Bringing your research skills to this was like bringing a guitar to a gunfight - maybe entertaining, but not likely to get the job done.

Why do I bother? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/music.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':music:'>

oh yeah - as promised:
http://www.240sx.org/links/magazine/car&driver/c&d0289/c&d02896.jpg
http://www.240sx.org/links/magazine/car&driver/c&d0594/c&d05946.jpg
now go eat a fat one you misguided butt pirate

[AKADriver]

What have we learned today?

1g DSMs kick ass, apparently (look at the stats on the Eclipse GS-T!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

If I could afford to put one into a tire wall, I would have an S14 instead of an S13. &nbsp;It's not an insult to my S13 at all, it's an awesome ride with tons of potential in its own right. &nbsp;The S14 platform is just a notch better.

[initial s14]

ever since i started watching option videos , i have been very impressed about how 240s swing their butts. &nbsp;and since s14 is more rare than s13 &nbsp;and i always wanted to be different, &nbsp;i bought the s14. &nbsp;damn this car is really really hard to find at a very good condition. &nbsp;mine was a 1997 base with 42k miles and i bought it for 9k. &nbsp;its got wheels already and its color is white. &nbsp;a real simple JDM look. oh plus it was driven by a 50 year old lady. &nbsp;am i hooked up or what? &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">dorifto freakideeki:</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

that about sums up your immature ass hippo. You cou'd have rebutted without resulting to name insults, but no your to immature to do that.
not only that but my post did have facts in it. Oh so you trust car and driver and socal240scx.org? Don't even &nbsp;get me started there. I am member and even I do not agree with everything on their site and have gone head to head with Alex Chang about it.
the funniest thing of all Hippo is even your response to my post reeked of pure bias.
I posted real world experience. all you could do is read a magazine and reprint it . hahahhahaha
I will take my experience over what someone says anyday of the week.
you are a bookworm hippo face it.
oh yeah brown interior not many of the S13's came with them.
Well you must also live in Nazi land, if they do inspections to see if your seat belts are oem. Not here in California. You got seat belts your good . Plain and simple.
ya S13 owners put S14 seats in there cars because they are cheap asses who do want to bother putting in real seats.
Fact is Hippo S14 seats are not that good.
Ya, Ferrari's have air bags because the U.S. D.O.T. requires them. &nbsp;Guess what air bags decapitate people maim them and kill them. Check the Insurance company(more reading for you hippo) stastics, air bags are scary.
keep on smoking that pot hippoand reading those magazines.
flame war hahaha

dons flame retardant suit

[HippoSleek]

Sometimes it's "you're" - a contraction of "you" and "are" - not just the possesive "your."

A magazine trusted by millions or some guy on the internet's "personal experience."

Link me to five "decapitation" stories or ANY current statistic showing that airbags hurt more people than they save or any related reading from any insurance entity.

*edit* b/c even sleek neds to spel right**

[Dark]

LexisNexis Rules

This article is long but it should put things in perspective.

Copyright 2002 CanWest Interactive, a division of
CanWest Global Communications Corp.
All Rights Reserved &nbsp;
The Ottawa Citizen


February 8, 2002 Friday Final EDITION

SECTION: WHEELS, Pg. F4

LENGTH: 719 words

HEADLINE: Give air bags their due, experts argue: Though seat-belts save more lives, air bags improve safety, they say

BYLINE: Jennifer Campbell

SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen

BODY:
When it comes saving lives in collisions, the seat-belt is king.

A recently released Transport Canada study estimates that seat-belts saved the lives of 11,690 drivers and passengers in Canada between 1990 and 2000, while their controversial companion, the air bag, saved 313 lives.

The study, a follow-up on a previous study that looked at lives saved between 1990 and 1997, also calculated the economic benefits of each device.

Based on the assumption that one life lost translates to a financial loss to society of $1.5 million, it showed that seat-belts saved about $17.5 billion, Air bags, meantime, saved $469.5 million. Year over year, air bags save a tiny fraction -- often less than one per cent and never more than five per cent -- of the lives seat-belts save. They cost much more to install in cars and trucks, and they can pose risks, especially to unbelted occupants, children in the front seat and adults who must sit very close to the steering wheel. In Canada there have been eight air-bag related deaths.

But traffic and safety officials remain convinced of their value.

"I do think air bags are indeed worth it," said Raynald Marchand, manager of traffic safety and training at the Canada Safety Council. "In collisions in towns, where drivers were going 50 kilometres per hour, the seat-belt will do 90 per cent of the work. But if you're driving 90 km/h, the air bag will come into play."

Rosalinda Fischer, manager of government affairs and traffic safety at the Canadian Automobile Association's national office, agreed.

"The air bag's benefits come in to play when you have accidents where people were travelling at high speeds," she said, adding that safety instructions were not being followed in the cases where air bags were blamed for a death.

Mr. Marchand said even considering the lives lost, eight deaths versus 313 people saved makes a statement in favour of the high-speed inflatables.

Air bags, both experts agreed, are a supplement to seat-belts, which most Canadians wear faithfully. A Transport Canada survey estimates that in July 2000, 90.1 per cent of Canadians were wearing seat-belts. Best at buckling up were Newfoundlanders, who report a 92.7-per-cent compliance rate. The Northwest Territories were the least compliant with only 60.7 per cent of motorists and passengers wearing seat-belts.

The National Occupant Restraint Program, established in 1989, aimed to achieve 95 per cent seat-belt usage by 1995, but fell short of its goal. The goal for 2001 continued to be 95 per cent.

Ian Noy, Transport Canada's director of motor vehicle standards and research, is also on the air bag's side and said his department is doing much to improve the devices.

"This is an additional 313 lives that would have been lost if air bags weren't in vehicles," he said. "I think that's pretty significant."

Mr. Noy was quick to point out that Transport Canada is constantly researching and improving air bags.

"We are concerned about the risks," he said. "We have to recognize that the benefits far outweigh the risks but we are not content to have air bags that pose a risk to occupants."

Manufacturers are also making progress, introducing dual-stage bags, seat-position detectors and other measures to make air bags safer. Ford Motor Co. said recently it is working on a more advanced system that will recognize and adapt more specifically to the size and location of front-seat passengers.

The Canadian Automobile Association estimates that air bags add $1,200 to $1,500 to the price of new vehicles.

Transport Canada doesn't specifically require air bags. But it does require that vehicles meet a set of safety standards and the air bag is the device that meets those standards. Nevertheless, Mr. Noy said, Canadians are effectively inheriting air bags because the monstrous U.S. market mandates them.

The study's authors caution that the air bag numbers are conservative because the estimates are based on the number of vehicles registered per model year. Since newer cars are driven more, they are involved in a higher number of collisions. At the same time, they have newer, safer technologies. Taking these factors into account, the actual benefits are likely higher than the estimates, Mr. Noy explained.

[Chokets]

airbags suck, pinko-commy-liberals and their regulations... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[CoasTek240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Potatoskins02 @ Nov. 06 2002,9:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hmm simple solution.....

buy an s13 then do a s14 front end conversion..... ok that may be a little bit pricey but if you want the best of both worlds here you go.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hehe.. that would be cool... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unhappy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':unhappy:'>

[Nerfdude]

well, i figure i might as well throw in my opinion...
i like the hatch. yes, i'm partial to it thanks to owning one. but, it's a nice car, it looks good. note: the 91-93's. the 89-90's have those fugly front ends... anyway, i like the looks of the hatch. it's got great lines, which most people just don't appreciate. yes, it's a little dated. but the s14 imo looks like a slightly more agressive altima... it's boring and tame. the 97-98's look mean as hell, but those are so rare and expensive i don't even bother thinking about them.

cupholders? what? real men don't use cupholders.

anyway, i love the hatch. not a big fan of the s13 coupe. i guess, since i've owned the hatch, i don't really like ANY coupes anymore. oh well.

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (huevos @ Nov. 08 2002,2:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am 6'2". I have no comfort problems with my S13, or at least not any more than I do with any other car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Try that w/ a helment then tell me how much room the s13 has <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I love the s13 personally. &nbsp;They just have soooo much potential and just feel great at the track. &nbsp;I guess that doesn't make much sence since I only have driven a s13 there. &nbsp;Hey Mark, let me take the s14 out for a spin at VIR in Feb....then I can give you a full review on both <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>