Zilvians....Buddy Club would like your input...

[dorkidori_s13]

well...after extensive talking with buddy club (theyre one of dorkidoris official sponsors)...they have agreed to take quite a few things into consideration if i proved viable feedback to them regarding their S chassis compatable products

first...the biggest thing im pulling for them to bring out (they have a test set made up for the S15...however...if there is enough interest shown...they will bring out a set for the S14 and S13)

BUDDY CLUB GAUGE CLUSTER:
http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/images/Cluster_gauges_top.jpg
those are a COMPLETE gauge cluster replacement...i know the image above is for a civic cluster...however...would anyone want something like this for their S chassis??? (given how old our clusters are getting)...i think they said their pricing for such a setup would be 450-500 depending on the car

the gauges themselves have stepping motors in them so they sweep when turned on and the temp/gas gauge would be a digital representation (though they said that in the S13 it may have to be an analogue gauge)

SR20DET CAMS:
Buddy Club is also developing SR20det camshafts with a variety of durations...they dont want to bring them here due to an over saturated market...again however...if there is enough interest shown they will bring them over to the states

WHEELS:
Buddy Club wheels...this is a BIG one i want to bring out to you guys...Buddy Clubs minimum order for wheels is 20 per size...there are 2 different styles that you can get in nice sizes/offsets (one style are actually forged single peice and light as whoa)

BUDDY CLUB RACING P1 QF FORGED:
http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/p1rqf/images/p1qf_rw.jpg http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/p1rqf/images/p1qf_gm.jpg

17x8 +28 5x114.3 14lbs | 17x9 +5 or +15 5x114.3 14.3lbs | 17x9.5 +8 5x114.3 15lbs

18x9 +35 5x114.3 14.7lbs | 18x10 +12 or +35 5x114.3 16.5lbs

BUDDY CLUB RACING P2:
http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/p1r2/images/p12_sbc.jpg http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/p1r2/images/p12_hg.jpg
http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/p1r2/images/p12_gm.jpg

17x8 +35 4x114.3 | 17x8 +30 5x114.3 | 17x9 +35 5x114.3 |17x9 +35 5x114.3 | 17x9 +15 5x114.3 | 17x10 +20 5x114.3

18x8 +30 5x114.3 | 18x9 +35 5x114.3 | 18x10 +20 5x114.3


i would like everyones input on if they would like to see these parts stateside...the wheels i can provide pricing for incase there is a large interest...i may even be able to set up some kind of group buy for them...however...i just really want peoples input....especially on the gauge cluster

buddy club has a strong racing presence in japan and is not some cheap Taiwanese parts knock off company...they produce quality parts and i for one would LOVE to see more of their stuff stateside for the S chassis (i mean they have a R34 racecar AND Z33 racecar that actually run circuit races in japan on a normal basis)

so please...mature input and the above parts may just become a reality =D

[eastcoastS14]

id buy that cluster for that price

those white P1s arent bad either

[DreamN]

I'd like to see a mock up/prototype of how the gauge cluster would be for the s13. I've been wanting to modernize the look of my gauge cluster a little and this might be an option if I can't think of anything to do to mine.

[OfourTHREEfive]

Cluster for me :)

What is install like?

[rowdogg03]

That cluster is coooooool....

[i need tires]

ive always loved the buddy club wheels just hated the offset! now that the offset is in my range i would be all in for some wheels

[A Spec Products]

I personally think that the BUDDY CLUB RACING P1 QF FORGED is a bit outside of the price range for most Zilvians

We've ordered a few sets for Evo owners, but for the price I don't think I ever justified ordering a set to stock for 240

Although yes, the wheel has good fitment

But imagine having to move 20 pieces per size, at a high price tag, don't think you'll get too many 240 guys jumping on it

Also, since there is no front good offset/width 18 size, then you can't hit the Z or G35 market either

As far as the BUDDY CLUB RACING P2 goes, that would sell I think, but its all gonna depend on pricing

For the clusters, unless it has additional functions like oil pressure, water temp, boost, etc, I don't forsee it selling to well to S chassis owners, especially for $400-500

For $400-500, you could easily find a working stock cluster and spend the rest on name brand gauges

Again, everything is going to come down to price

You can get good feedback now when its just feedback, but when you ask to see some wallets, that feedback might change

Not hating just keeping it real, so don't get too trigger happy based on initial feedback

[BobbyDigi]

Those Mono P1's might change the way people jock TE nuts.

Those weights are unbelievable and revolutionary, that's awesome.

18x9.5 TE37 is 18.3lbs VS. 18x10 5x114.3 16.5lbs


Correct me if i am wrong though, arent the P1's (as well as P2's already in existence) ... Still, this will be a great was to get a new set if desired.

[TravisSW]

I would love to have a new cluster.

Even better if we can choose our own colors or they make more than just one. :)

I'm down.

[dorkidori_s13]

those forged P1s are actually priced to compete with TE37s


and yes...P1 and P2s are already in existence...BUT...buddy club doesnt bring them to america because they cant get people to buy them enough in the offsets that are for RWD (now back in japan is a totally different story)


and logan...thank you for your input...i (and alot of people on this forum) greatly appreciate what you do for the S chassis community and i for one greatly value your input =D


keep the feedback coming guys

[ursmokd]

A little FYI.. dudes full of shit lol

in order for Buddy Club to even consider making any QF wheel.. you have to put in a 10 set (40 piece) order, for that ONE particular wheel. no mix and match offsets, or sizes. AND a 50% non refundable deposit. PLUS, you have to be a dealer, or have a dealer order them for you.
PLUUUSSS it has to be a wheel they were already thinking about producing, or already have in the past. 18x10's (not exactly sure of what offset) should be coming soon, but not soon enough. last time i checked, they werent 100% positive on bringing the 10" to the US.
lastly on the QF wheel.. it will take 6 months at the LEAST from the time of order.
2nd - No they are not bringing back SR cams. wont ever happen.. aint gonna happen, no way. haha
3rd - P2's aren't "P2's" numbnuts. They are called II Plus. P2's were discontinued ages ago.
and last but not least, the cluster as of right now, is for the EK only. which, is a honda. They havent even begun to develope for any other make, other than honda. If they have, its a sample, not a "promise to make."

So.. before dude guy here, get's all your hopes up, there is a little "insight" for you. ;)

OWNED

[dorkidori_s13]

and believe you me...if buddy club is convinced to bring out a cluster setup for the s chassis crowd...regardless of price...ill be the first person in line to buy it =D

[ursmokd]

ive always loved the buddy club wheels just hated the offset! now that the offset is in my range i would be all in for some wheels

and in reply to this post..

:love:

[dorkidori_s13]

A little FYI.. dudes full of shit lol

in order for Buddy Club to even consider making any QF wheel.. you have to put in a 10 set (40 piece) order, for that ONE particular wheel. no mix and match offsets, or sizes. AND a 50% non refundable deposit. PLUS, you have to be a dealer, or have a dealer order them for you.
PLUUUSSS it has to be a wheel they were already thinking about producing, or already have in the past. 18x10's (not exactly sure of what offset) should be coming soon, but not soon enough. last time i checked, they werent 100% positive on bringing the 10" to the US.
lastly on the QF wheel.. it will take 6 months at the LEAST from the time of order.
2nd - No they are not bringing back SR cams. wont ever happen.. aint gonna happen, no way. haha
3rd - P2's aren't "P2's" numbnuts. They are called II Plus. P2's were discontinued ages ago.
and last but not least, the cluster as of right now, is for the EK only. which, is a honda. They havent even begun to develope for any other make, other than honda. If they have, its a sample, not a "promise to make."

So.. before dude guy here, get's all your hopes up, there is a little "insight" for you. ;)

OWNED

thanks for your condescending reply there...its really appreciated...you may think you just "owned" me...but my direct contact at buddy club relayed me the info i am relaying in my original post...so back off...this is an INPUT thread for products that they would like to offer or have the ability to offer

i was told a minimum order of 20 wheels per size...and that came directly form the person who deals DIRECTLY with japan
:mrmeph:

[ursmokd]

thanks for your condescending reply there...its really appreciated...you may think you just "owned" me...but my direct contact at buddy club relayed me the info i am relaying in my original post...so back off...this is an INPUT thread for products that they would like to offer or have the ability to offer

i was told a minimum order of 20 wheels per size...and that came directly form the person who deals DIRECTLY with japan
:mrmeph:


LMAO!!!!! oh son.. if you only knew who i was. hahahahahaha


im sure half of you know who i am. (i just took down my signature so that this cool guy didnt know who i was) so lets all laugh together.

homeboy.. trust me.. i know what i'm talkin about ;)

[dorkidori_s13]

LMAO!!!!! oh son.. if you only knew who i was. hahahahahaha


im sure half of you know who i am. (i just took down my signature so that this cool guy didnt know who i was) so lets all laugh together.

homeboy.. trust me.. i know what i'm talkin about ;)

well...im not even gonna bother fighting with someone online...ive better things to do

back to the original topic on hand...if you guys would like to input your feedback on the products ive listed above...please do so

[vvtisupra]

wheels are hot

[i need tires]

how realistic is it that these products will come to the US?? percentage wise please :)

[LongGrain]

LMAO!!!!! oh son.. if you only knew who i was. hahahahahaha


im sure half of you know who i am. (i just took down my signature so that this cool guy didnt know who i was) so lets all laugh together.

homeboy.. trust me.. i know what i'm talkin about ;)

then why dont you tell us? what was the point of removing your sig if thats what would have given you some credibility. I'm not saying you have none, i'm saying its stupid of you to hide it when making claims like this. Did you just take the info out of your sig so you could come in here to start an arguement? very mature...

[dorkidori_s13]

how realistic is it that these products will come to the US?? percentage wise please :)

not exactly sure...im just getting feedback from a larger S chassis community about products that have a possibility of seeing the light of day (or are already made that can be brought here)

[azndoc]

Those Mono P1's might change the way people jock TE nuts.


You do realize people jock TE nuts because they look awesome. Not only because it's lightweight. That helps too.

You could make a 5 lb forged monoblock wheel at $1500 a set but it looks like shit and I still won't buy it.

Sorry to get off topic.

[Om1kron]

A little FYI.. dudes full of shit lol

in order for Buddy Club to even consider making any QF wheel.. you have to put in a 10 set (40 piece) order, for that ONE particular wheel. no mix and match offsets, or sizes. AND a 50% non refundable deposit. PLUS, you have to be a dealer, or have a dealer order them for you.
PLUUUSSS it has to be a wheel they were already thinking about producing, or already have in the past. 18x10's (not exactly sure of what offset) should be coming soon, but not soon enough. last time i checked, they werent 100% positive on bringing the 10" to the US.
lastly on the QF wheel.. it will take 6 months at the LEAST from the time of order.
2nd - No they are not bringing back SR cams. wont ever happen.. aint gonna happen, no way. haha
3rd - P2's aren't "P2's" numbnuts. They are called II Plus. P2's were discontinued ages ago.
and last but not least, the cluster as of right now, is for the EK only. which, is a honda. They havent even begun to develope for any other make, other than honda. If they have, its a sample, not a "promise to make."

So.. before dude guy here, get's all your hopes up, there is a little "insight" for you. ;)

OWNED

so angry... the cluster would be a nice change, I dont really see how it would be beneficial to me otherwise saying I have it and you dont, in which I could just build my own stack/defi unit like that one fellow did.

but yeah if you could get readouts on it then it would be worth the coin.

[adictd2b00st]

id buy a cluster !

[danman04x]

i dunno who you are, who are you?

[Bobafreak]

I like the gauge cluster that is something i would be interested in.

[ursmokd]

then why dont you tell us? what was the point of removing your sig if thats what would have given you some credibility. I'm not saying you have none, i'm saying its stupid of you to hide it when making claims like this. Did you just take the info out of your sig so you could come in here to start an arguement? very mature...



;)

and ive been on this forum for a while now. even before this name ;)

[VROOOM]

i dont think the forged wheels will sell. they just dont have the name like the TE's have just like the forged FN01R wheels. they made forged ones of those and i think i may have been the only one that bought some.

[ursmokd]

i dont think the forged wheels will sell. they just dont have the name like the TE's have just like the forged FN01R wheels. they made forged ones of those and i think i may have been the only one that bought some.

the QF wheels, sell themselves. trust me. EXTREMELY light weight, and durable wheel. a great wheel if you arent too concerned about having a huge lip to show.

[Sileighty_85]

Dude that Gauge Cluster is Fucking HOTT!! I would buy one, See If they can Make a Custer like the Blue DEFI's, Im excited! I want one!

[VROOOM]

the QF wheels, sell themselves. trust me. EXTREMELY light weight, and durable wheel. a great wheel if you arent too concerned about having a huge lip to show.

yeah the forged FNo1r's were light weight and durable but no one bought them.

[ursmokd]

yeah the forged FNo1r's were light weight and durable but no one bought them.


all on opinion, no doubt. but very good wheel in my personal experience.

[LongGrain]

Gabe Saez Buddy Club USA Sept 2006- March 2008.

;)

and ive been on this forum for a while now. even before this name ;)

why couldnt you just put that in your first post? it would have made you come off as a professional, instead of the asshole you made yourself look like.

"hi, I'm gabe from buddy club USA,....blah blah..."

much better than "bitchbitch your wrong bitchbitch, JDM OWNED! everyone laugh"

just my opinion i guess, especially if you are representing a company that most of us respect.

[ursmokd]

cuz i dont work there anymore, and i could care less. just hate it when people think they know everything ;)

in any case. now that you know the real deal, just make sure you get 100% true details before someone like me comes along to be an asshole

i repsresent a different company now, and this is my personal name. if i chose to be on that name, it would have been professional, but this is indeed my personal screen name ;)

k. take care. i dont come on here much after i sold all the S chassis. hopefully soon ill be joinin ya guys again ;)

[dorkidori_s13]

the QF wheels, sell themselves. trust me. EXTREMELY light weight, and durable wheel. a great wheel if you arent too concerned about having a huge lip to show.

well my dealings are directly with kevin...so im just relaying information that hes giving me

[dorkidori_s13]

ne who...back to the thread at hand

[SexPanda]

those P2 wheels are absolutely...

sweet.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I personally think that the BUDDY CLUB RACING P1 QF FORGED is a bit outside of the price range for most Zilvians

We've ordered a few sets for Evo owners, but for the price I don't think I ever justified ordering a set to stock for 240

Although yes, the wheel has good fitment

But imagine having to move 20 pieces per size, at a high price tag, don't think you'll get too many 240 guys jumping on it

Also, since there is no front good offset/width 18 size, then you can't hit the Z or G35 market either

As far as the BUDDY CLUB RACING P2 goes, that would sell I think, but its all gonna depend on pricing

For the clusters, unless it has additional functions like oil pressure, water temp, boost, etc, I don't forsee it selling to well to S chassis owners, especially for $400-500

For $400-500, you could easily find a working stock cluster and spend the rest on name brand gauges

Again, everything is going to come down to price

You can get good feedback now when its just feedback, but when you ask to see some wallets, that feedback might change

Not hating just keeping it real, so don't get too trigger happy based on initial feedback


In simple layman's terms: ZILVIANS ARE CHEAP/BROKE ASS BASTARDS!!!

Fuck the gauge cluster crap, the only thing I see them having a chance of selling in the states are the rims. And that will all depend on how much they go for.

I just dont see gauge clusters that replaces the stockies, high up in people's parts list/priorities. Hell a good 75% of people in here cant afford decent electronic gauges...

Cams, doubt it, BC would pretty much put anything out of the that market for their pricing...

[Nikeboy355]

I agree with Logan like most of the time...

The forged wheels are too expensive and don't have close to the resale that the Volk wheels have...

For that gauge cluster to be a success it really needs to have a couple of these:
1. Shift light
2. Lap timer
3. Oil & water temp/pressure with warnings
4. Datalogging
5. G meter

Basically the stuff that the other clusters have as well as what many new cars are offering stock...

Buddy Club's DC5 race car is actually built by Mugen and they spend a lot of time on the track... They have to know what we want...

http://www.tunerzine.com/articles/215/images/12.jpg

http://www.tunerzine.com/articles/215/images/1.jpg

http://www.tunerzine.com/articles/215/images/18.jpg

http://www.tunerzine.com/articles/215/images/24.jpg

[an_orange_s2k]

im in for the cluster!!

[JAYTRON]

17x8 +35 4x114.3

No decent offset 4 lug love :-/

[cbcustoms]

Dont get my hopes up> I want that cluster so bad. I would prepay

[adictd2b00st]

yea i don't know why some people are making it sound like the clusters couldn't sell......i think there is definitly some potential there.

[McRussellPants]

Center the tach offset the speedo.


serious.

[cbcustoms]

Center the tach offset the speedo.


serious.

Im with this guy

[fliprayzin240sx]

yea i don't know why some people are making it sound like the clusters couldn't sell......i think there is definitly some potential there.


Again, im basing it from what I've noticed on most people's cars. If you got an SR and you cant/wont even put the basic gauges/stuff you NEED to monitor an SR, why would you buy a stock gauge cluster? Would you really buy it just cuz it looks pretty and has some digital read out??? If thats what you're looking for, you're better off getting some STACKS.

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

the p1 qf's are sooooo nice, but i do know the price tag is a little high.

as for the cluster, what do you really see people buying for there cars? showy/flashy clusters are way down the list after coils/lsd/suspension arms/ motor swap/ other more important gauges like boost,oil press ect.

although people here will say it's nice and they would get it, pm them and ask them for a security deposit and see what happens!

[dorkidori_s13]

Again, im basing it from what I've noticed on most people's cars. If you got an SR and you cant/wont even put the basic gauges/stuff you NEED to monitor an SR, why would you buy a stock gauge cluster? Would you really buy it just cuz it looks pretty and has some digital read out??? If thats what you're looking for, you're better off getting some STACKS.

well...the buddy club cluster would be for people who

A) dont have a grand for a stack setup (or 2 grand for a defi cluster)
B) dont have the wiring or technical knowledge for a stack or defi cluster
c) want something that looks a little nicer than stock (especially in a cluster that was "high tech" in 1988)

i personally would buy one just to have something that looks ALOT nicer than what the current S chassis cluster looks like

the cluster would be meant for all S chassis motors...so no real need for a boost gauge or oil gauge etc...it would be a much needed, overhauled OEM replacement

some people like to have "fun" with building their cars too yah know ;)

[adictd2b00st]

Again, im basing it from what I've noticed on most people's cars. If you got an SR and you cant/wont even put the basic gauges/stuff you NEED to monitor an SR, why would you buy a stock gauge cluster? Would you really buy it just cuz it looks pretty and has some digital read out??? If thats what you're looking for, you're better off getting some STACKS.

so your assuming that people don't have gauges already and just want to update the look from the stock cluster? and yes stacks are nice, but if this is a direct drop in thats a good selling point for alot of people, not to mention it would have stock fitment.

*edit* dorkdori hit the nail on the head

[drftwerks]

luster looks like shit, looks like indiglow guages, fuck that.

[Sileighty_85]

So this gauge cluster..will there be different colors like Blue, Hyper White?

luster looks like shit, looks like indiglow guages, fuck that.
Thats because its for a Honda

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

i personally would buy one just to have something that looks ALOT nicer than what the current S chassis cluster looks like

;)


that may be true but you have a hoooot car with all the other things i mentioned done to it. which would you buy first you hotwheels or this cluster?

also if these wheels were available to you, the P1's, would you spend the $$$$ for those when you have hotwheels. now i;m not saying your wheels are no good, but you should be able to buy 8 hotwheels for the price of 4 BC wheels!

[dorkidori_s13]

i just talked to buddy club (i just ordered an exhaust from them...and some new lug nuts)...and privy to what the ex employee said...the P2s are still available IF a certain amount is ordered (the non-forged wheels)

i MIGHT try to set up a group buy for 17x9 +15s in sets of 4....they will be discounted to help get the orders in...a set would be roughly around 1500-1600 bux

[yokotas13]

If the cluster had oiltemp/press/and water temp digital readouts id buy one

like it sits now? No

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

$1600 for p1's?

[yokotas13]

lol they are like 500 bucks used

and i still cant figure out why peopel like them

[ursmokd]

haha you guys reppin me, and neg reppin me are funny. i dig it ;)

[dorkidori_s13]

well i bought the hotwheels at the time just because i didnt have the cash for better 5 luggers...hotwheels will be sold when i get the cash for a better set of wheels

[93SECoupe]

I would buy the cluster. I need a new cluster to replaced my broken digital cluster. Right now I am guessing my speed by the rpm tach and using my AVCR which only reads out speed in kilometers. I have boost, water, and oil gauges so that to me is not that important.

[SinisterSntra91]

Can the clusters be made for the s chassis and universal for any motor? It would solve alot of tach/speedo issues with swaps......

[yokotas13]

yeah
its called a stack`

[StaticX27]

Will the clusters be customizable at all? Like say for example it has space for a spedo, tach, gas level, and 3 52mm slots (or something like that?

Like people said earlier, for $500 you could put together your own cluster, or get damn near putting one together with defi gauges. But if there is a little customizability with em (or at least SR sensative monitoring stuff such as oil temp / boost), I'd be all over that.

[dorkidori_s13]

no...the clusters are an OEM replacement...gas level, water temp, speedo and tach...your normal gauge cluster setup

the price is NOT deffinate though...it was a rough estimate...buddy club has told it may be cheaper depending on the cluster

[dorkidori_s13]

Can the clusters be made for the s chassis and universal for any motor? It would solve alot of tach/speedo issues with swaps......

im pretty sure they would be set up for twin cam motors given that makes up the majority of the S chassis community

[yokotas13]

do htey make a skyline cluster?

[dorkidori_s13]

do htey make a skyline cluster?

no idea...something that youd have to approach buddy club of japan about...the EK cluster is still in its "testing" phase

basically...again...im just trying to get input from people to see if this product would be worth while for them to possibly bring out...ill check with buddy club and see what a MINIMUM order would need to be for the cluster to be made into a reality (if possible)

[dorkidori_s13]

and btw...if i did the group buy for either the wheels or the cluster...i would make ZERO profit from it...period...my only goal for the GB would be to get some neat parts out to the S chassis crowd ;)

[fliprayzin240sx]

If the cluster had oiltemp/press/and water temp digital readouts id buy one

like it sits now? No

Doubt it looking at the picture. I dont see Buddy Club over engineering something like this...

well...the buddy club cluster would be for people who

A) dont have a grand for a stack setup (or 2 grand for a defi cluster)
B) dont have the wiring or technical knowledge for a stack or defi cluster
c) want something that looks a little nicer than stock (especially in a cluster that was "high tech" in 1988)

i personally would buy one just to have something that looks ALOT nicer than what the current S chassis cluster looks like

the cluster would be meant for all S chassis motors...so no real need for a boost gauge or oil gauge etc...it would be a much needed, overhauled OEM replacement

some people like to have "fun" with building their cars too yah know ;)

Why would there be no real need for a boost gauge or an oil gauge when this cluster is just a drop in replacement? I dont see this cluster adding anything else more than some LED bulbs in the back, making it look pretty and adding some digital readouts...

so your assuming that people don't have gauges already and just want to update the look from the stock cluster? and yes stacks are nice, but if this is a direct drop in thats a good selling point for alot of people, not to mention it would have stock fitment.

*edit* dorkdori hit the nail on the head

Again, read what I said "I've noticed", this is my personal observation. You may be one of the select few who fall in the other side of the spectrum. The side of zilvia who do have gauges and have nothing else to really spend their money on so something like this is higher up on their priority list...

[fliprayzin240sx]

no idea...something that youd have to approach buddy club of japan about...the EK cluster is still in its "testing" phase

basically...again...im just trying to get input from people to see if this product would be worth while for them to possibly bring out...ill check with buddy club and see what a MINIMUM order would need to be for the cluster to be made into a reality (if possible)


So what im getting at now is that your "hoping" they would make a cluster for the S-chassis. Holding your breath that a GB will convince them to actually do the R&D to make this part a reality since they dont make them for the S-chassis?

Shit, if thats the case, dont hold your breath on that one for sure. Its hard enough to find people with money to throw away on something like this. Finding somebody to fork over money on a "wish" and not see a part for it for a loooooooong time is stretching it...

By a show of hands, how many people wanna hand over $500 on a part that they may or may not make and if they do, you wont see it for atleast 6 months?

[dorkidori_s13]

So what im getting at now is that your "hoping" they would make a cluster for the S-chassis. Holding your breath that a GB will convince them to actually do the R&D to make this part a reality since they dont make them for the S-chassis?

Shit, if thats the case, dont hold your breath on that one for sure. Its hard enough to find people with money to throw away on something like this. Finding somebody to fork over money on a "wish" and not see a part for it for a loooooooong time is stretching it...

By a show of hands, how many people wanna hand over $500 on a part that they may or may not make and if they do, you wont see it for atleast 6 months?


actually...from what ive been told...they could have one ready in a pretty decent amount of time...the R&D has already been done

[dorkidori_s13]

By a show of hands, how many people wanna hand over $500 on a part that they may or may not make and if they do, you wont see it for atleast 6 months?

raises hand :naughty:

[BoostinGST]

if the cluster had more accurate sensors i would buy one for that price as well, but for a little more you could get a better one.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

That cluster kicks ass! I like the rims, too!

[dorkidori_s13]

if the cluster had more accurate sensors i would buy one for that price as well, but for a little more you could get a better one.

i think whats getting missed here is it would be a direct OEM drop in...just unscrew your old ones...take em out...drop these in...bam they work

with stack and defi clusters...there is a HUGE amount of wiring involved that most people dont want to deal with...most people would buy the cluster (1000-2000 bux easy)...THEN...they would pay a shop to install it (IF you could find a shop...at least another 300-600 dollars)

with a stack or defi setup...out the door running...youre looking at about 2000-3000 easy if you dont install it yourself

the buddy club cluster would be plug and play...the needles themselves would be updated with digital stepping motors (like the ones found in defi and stri gauges)...everything would be lit with LEDs (no more annoying halogen style bulbs)...and it would MATCH a ton of aftermarket gauges (since the black face, white letters and red needle is the most common style gauge out there)

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Any word on the HUD clusters?

[yokotas13]

yeah, but if you go this way

your looking at
this cluster-500
defi gauges-(figure 200 a piece, but most likely 250+)
oil temp
oil pressure
water temp
fuel pressure
tacho
defi link
is like 1400
+500 for this thing
is almost 2000 bucks

buy a defi cluster people

[johngriff]

Cluster = too expensive

Cams = Can't make any new profile that will knock anyone's socks off

Wheels = Who cares.

Honestly, all this stuff is better grey market, just because the VOLUME for any of this WILL NOT BE THERE.

If you are going to introduce anything new parts into this market, they have to be:

Unique
Cheap

Buddy Club did this quite well with the spec II, but they are right to think that they will not be gaining any traction with this stuff. If you really want any of this, just get it from Sam @ Jspec.

[kandyflip445]

I'd buy a cluster like that, only if everything stock worked. Especially the dimmer. lol

Around 400 would be doable.

[McRussellPants]

Looked at it again.

Cluster won't sell ever.

Obviously its competition to the Defi Sports Cluster, but the buddy club one is.

Tacky.
Obviously not Performance Minded
Offset Tach? who looks at speed racing ever? Tach is way more important.
5 Bar LED for Fuel/Engine Temp? Fuck no, Fuel doesn't matter but Engine temp is way too important to undercut like that.
No Warning
No more functions over OEM.
its totally worthless.
I could build that cluster for 10$ in ebay parts and it would look better.

Build a Cluster with

Tach/Boost/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp/Engine Temp.

Put a Master Warning on it.

done.

[yokotas13]

bingo
you should make this shit bro

[chuy]

Looked at it again.

Cluster won't sell ever.

Obviously its competition to the Defi Sports Cluster, but the buddy club one is.

Tacky.
Obviously not Performance Minded
Offset Tach? who looks at speed racing ever? Tach is way more important.
5 Bar LED for Fuel/Engine Temp? Fuck no, Fuel doesn't matter but Engine temp is way too important to undercut like that.
No Warning
No more functions over OEM.
its totally worthless.
I could build that cluster for 10$ in ebay parts and it would look better.

Build a Cluster with

Tach/Boost/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp/Engine Temp.

Put a Master Warning on it.

done.
+1 on the cluster I do like the way the wheels weight

[BobbyDigi]

you just "owned" me...but my direct contact at buddy club relayed me

would it be fair to say that you have a club of buddies at buddy club?


i had to....:D

[HunsakerS14]

dude I swear that cluster I expect to see in a Honda, no doubt, if I were to see it in a S chassis.. i would be very disappointed. Its ugly, has no extra funcion besides looks and by what McRussellPants (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=40245) said actually takes away from what you need to know. all in all very gay ass fuckin cluster, do what the smart people are saying and get some nice Defi gauges. Would "look" better to!
(http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=40245)

[dorkidori_s13]

im amazed at the amount of sheer negativity coming from people

instead of looking at the fact it does nothing special over stock...look at the upside that someone is at least ATTEMPTING to bring you guys a fresh idea to dress your interiors up a bit...or rather UPDATE your stock cluster with something that not only LOOKS better...but FUNCTIONS better

or just keep looking at the negative side of things and nothing will ever get accomplished

[adictd2b00st]

im amazed at the amount of sheer negativity coming from people

instead of looking at the fact it doesnt nothing special over stock...look at the upside that someone is at least ATTEMPTING to bring you guys a fresh idea to dress your interiors up a bit...or rather UPDATE your stock cluster with something that not only LOOKS better...but FUNCTIONS beter

or just keep looking at the negative side of things and nothing will ever get accomplished

because this forum is full of people who are brainwashed into what mods they should do to their cars, instead of having minds of their own. remember, if the zilvia experts say it isn't cool, then all the minions will follow :keke: its quite sad really...... i appreciate you trying to get this accomplished tho, and i'm sure if you did get it into production that enough people would be interested in it to make it justifiable

[ROIDMONKEY]

In simple layman's terms: ZILVIANS ARE CHEAP/BROKE ASS BASTARDS!!!

Fuck the gauge cluster crap, the only thing I see them having a chance of selling in the states are the rims. And that will all depend on how much they go for.

I just dont see gauge clusters that replaces the stockies, high up in people's parts list/priorities. Hell a good 75% of people in here cant afford decent electronic gauges...

Cams, doubt it, BC would pretty much put anything out of the that market for their pricing...
funny that people keep saying ZILVIANS are broke ass people when tons of guys here runs $2500+ set of wheels and $1000+ turbos. stop saying that , im just saying this cause im not blind just look around , check the wheel sale section lots of $2000+ set of wheels for sale , and they broke!!!

[babowc]

^Correction.
MAJORITY 240sx owners are broke..

There's a handful that may be "ballin'", but in the general concensus.. not so much.

[DreamN]

Not necessarily broke, I just don't want to spend that much on wheels.

Anyways, on topic. Is there a clear shot of what the cluster might look like? Color options for gauges and needles? Possible addition of a water temp. or oil pressure gauge? Both?

[Ragnarok043]

the cluster is a bit pricey but i think people would still buy it, you gotta remember there are people already paying $200-$300 for a used jdm digital climate control. $400-$500 should just be within their budget. personally i wouldnt mind paying a little extra for something brand new.

[blitzkrgCT9A]

actually...from what ive been told...they could have one ready in a pretty decent amount of time...the R&D has already been done

if the R&D has already been done, lets see a pic of sample product of actual cluster for the SR.. that would be more persuasive and convincing.

[240sxdrifterS14]

I would most definately take a cluster

[Dousan_PG]

buddy club. hmm

no.


looks cool the wheels im not crazy about. id stick w/ the RAYS myself

cluster is ok but meh. whats the point.
stock works fine.

[DreamN]

the fact that there's interest for the cluster makes for a point because it means there is a market for it. I won't be sold on one till I see a prototype. Plus I'm hoping for some sort of water temp and/or oil temp/press gauge that can be added within the cluster. Would clean things up. Doubt it'd be a difficult addition either.

[Yuda]

+1 for the cluster.

[dorkidori_s13]

well...i will give buddy club a ring tommorrow sometime and talk to them some more about this thread (and email it to my contact)...currently there is no prototype for the S chassis as they havent seen market research for the product in our area...the only working prototype they have at the moment is the EK cluster

as far as the R&D is concerned...making a cluster isnt hard to do for them...buddy club is an OEM company...they have their own R&D dept as well as their own in house manufacturing services...they have years of PROFESSIONAL circuit racing manufacturing and developing under their belts...so thats not something id be worried about

i appreciate all the positive and (for the most part) mature feedback in this thread and HOPEFULLY it will lead somewhere soon

[DreamN]

Really try to get the addition of a proper water temp. gauge and oil pressure/temp guage in the works with it. It would really get more ppl to consider such a cluster.

[dorkidori_s13]

Really try to get the addition of a proper water temp. gauge and oil pressure/temp guage in the works with it. It would really get more ppl to consider such a cluster.


well one thing about your stock water temp gauge sensor...its made to have HUGE normal zone...so outside of having to run a different water temp sensor...its gonna be OEM more than likely

remember...this unit will replace the STOCK gauges...and therefore doesnt have the room for additional gauges

[DreamN]

I understand that, but I'm not talking about 50 mm or 60 mm gauges. I'm talking about somehow incorporating a water temp gauge that actually gives you a reading similar to that of an aftermarket gauge in the oem position. Possibly an oil temp/pressure gauge around the same area as well with the same aftermarket function. I don't see it to hard to make since they actually have the resources and brains for such a product.

[thedecapitator]

I understand that, but I'm not talking about 50 mm or 60 mm gauges. I'm talking about somehow incorporating a water temp gauge that actually gives you a reading similar to that of an aftermarket gauge in the oem position. Possibly an oil temp/pressure gauge around the same area as well with the same aftermarket function. I don't see it to hard to make since they actually have the resources and brains for such a product.

far surrre +1
the gauge cluster looks nice but its a bit pricey and a dohc cluster for 45$ will do just fine for an SR but then again i'd rather have atleast one thing in the car brand new:keke:

[carbonx240]

i am down.but it will be cool to have color choices.maybe have a group choice style or design. etc.2 years ago.i tried to get the jdm ones with white faces at autobac but $1000:-/ .i like them.they come with different kind of styles.is the whole cluster also.

[Tearlessj]

Im sure they're people out there that would pay that much for a "looks" cluster, but the 240 scene sure doesn't fall into that category. The only advantage is the Tach. I know a lot of Supra guys pay about that much for a TRD tach and speedo, but they're baller and its somewhat rare.

[inertiaticism]

I would much prefer a standalone, one size fits all cluster like a Stack, that one just looks like a set of ebay gauge faces on a stock cluster and would require stock harness which I'm not gonna have soon.
Seems like instead of doing the R+D on different cars, they could make it fit more stuff and sell more by making a smaller universal cluster in a similar style and offering custom harnesses to make it PnP with different vehicles.
I would buy the hell out of that if it were cheaper than Stack or AIM.
I just need a cheap speedometer when I ditch my OEM harness.

[StaticX27]

I thought about it. I'd buy the gauge cluster. I'm a looks whore too. However, being that they're trying to market to the JDM market and the USDM market, it seems to me there's enough SR's out there that they should at least incorporate a boost gauge :). I think that would draw a few more people to it. Oil pressure / temp would be nice, so would an EGT, or hell lets go nuts and throw a wideband in there!

All jokes aside, most OEM gauge clusters for turbo cars do infact come with a boost gauge as well, thus why I make the suggestion :)

[fliprayzin240sx]

I understand that, but I'm not talking about 50 mm or 60 mm gauges. I'm talking about somehow incorporating a water temp gauge that actually gives you a reading similar to that of an aftermarket gauge in the oem position. Possibly an oil temp/pressure gauge around the same area as well with the same aftermarket function. I don't see it to hard to make since they actually have the resources and brains for such a product.

See like I said, before, what youre asking for will mean that Buddy Club will have to over engineer the current cluster they have in order to do this. That means, more R & D, longer time, more expensive to make, more expensive to sell, less potential buyer...nuff said...it wont happen.

If youre so bent out of shape sprucing up your stock cluster, you'd be surprised what some LED needle kit, LED bulbs can do to the stock cluster. But it aint gonna cost $500...

Personally, stock S14 white face cluster w/ some red bulbs is enough sprucing up for me...

[s14_legend]

definitely interested in the cluster...gotta see the final product

[water]

I would be interested in P1 QF's depending on the/price.

I bought a set for my wrx back in 02 (paid $1600 for the set shipped, BNIB - times have changed i guess) and have been trying to find a decent s-chassis set since 03 with no luck. :( <3'd em SO much though.

And people are right, the resale value was shit. It took 4 months for me to sell with no curb rash at all and including rays lugs.

[johngriff]

I don't think anyone is trying to be negative here. I have seen allot of people come and try to "feel out" stuff like this.

Allot of people say "OH YEAH, I WOULD BUY THOSE IN A HEARTBEAT"

A company invests a ton of money into a product. No one buys it.

Buddy Club is WELL AWARE of the S-Chassis market, they don't need to be reminded we are here. I am also sure they are well aware of what will and will not sell, and if they thought they could sell something, they would have brought it to market by now.

Anyone here with enough dime for those wheels, ems, turbo setups, suspension, is just going to spring for a Stack or AIM sports cluster.

[S14_Cookie]

I would buy the cluster.

[ursmokd]

hey dorkidori guy... do you have any affiliation with thedorishop.com?

[ursmokd]

I don't think anyone is trying to be negative here. I have seen allot of people come and try to "feel out" stuff like this.

Allot of people say "OH YEAH, I WOULD BUY THOSE IN A HEARTBEAT"

A company invests a ton of money into a product. No one buys it.

Buddy Club is WELL AWARE of the S-Chassis market, they don't need to be reminded we are here. I am also sure they are well aware of what will and will not sell, and if they thought they could sell something, they would have brought it to market by now.

Anyone here with enough dime for those wheels, ems, turbo setups, suspension, is just going to spring for a Stack or AIM sports cluster.


Very well put by the way. you hit it DEAD on.

[ursmokd]

well...i will give buddy club a ring tommorrow sometime and talk to them some more about this thread (and email it to my contact)...currently there is no prototype for the S chassis as they havent seen market research for the product in our area...the only working prototype they have at the moment is the EK cluster

as far as the R&D is concerned...making a cluster isnt hard to do for them...buddy club is an OEM company...they have their own R&D dept as well as their own in house manufacturing services...they have years of PROFESSIONAL circuit racing manufacturing and developing under their belts...so thats not something id be worried about

i appreciate all the positive and (for the most part) mature feedback in this thread and HOPEFULLY it will lead somewhere soon


lol dude.. why don't you just ask for a job?

[kensreliableb18b]

I don't think anyone is trying to be negative here. I have seen allot of people come and try to "feel out" stuff like this.

Allot of people say "OH YEAH, I WOULD BUY THOSE IN A HEARTBEAT"

A company invests a ton of money into a product. No one buys it.

Buddy Club is WELL AWARE of the S-Chassis market, they don't need to be reminded we are here. I am also sure they are well aware of what will and will not sell, and if they thought they could sell something, they would have brought it to market by now.

Anyone here with enough dime for those wheels, ems, turbo setups, suspension, is just going to spring for a Stack or AIM sports cluster.

^agreed. buddy club made a push back around 2000 here in the U.S. market and it was not a success. they've slowly tried to climb back into the market but their rep just isnt up there among the leading competitors.

[spanishricer]

I would buy that cluster, provided it has a tach that goes over 8000rpm and a speedo that goes over 120mph.

[ursmokd]

its the plain fact that, why in the world would Buddy Club want to make parts for a car that a) they dont even use themselves in their race cars, b) dont specialize in, and c) other companies make them, and sell them for dirt cheap now a days. Its a waste of time and money. that's why Buddy Club specializes in what they are known for, and they do damn good at it. Honda/Acura mainly. they own at this market.

[A Spec Products]

hey dorkidori guy... do you have any affiliation with thedorishop.com?

Dorishop is in Washington I believe

Dorkidori is in Nevada

Staying on topic though, it looks like the unit they sell for the Civic is more of a cluster insert rather than the whole cluster unit (if you look at the Buddy Club site its the bottom left pic)

So it only replaces the fuel section/water temp, speedo, and tach

All the rest of the cluster is the OEM warning lights and such

So I'm not sure how it would be integrated with the 240sx cluster

[TheTimanator]

I wish they would bring back the original p-1's...

[DreamN]

See like I said, before, what youre asking for will mean that Buddy Club will have to over engineer the current cluster they have in order to do this. That means, more R & D, longer time, more expensive to make, more expensive to sell, less potential buyer...nuff said...it wont happen.

If youre so bent out of shape sprucing up your stock cluster, you'd be surprised what some LED needle kit, LED bulbs can do to the stock cluster. But it aint gonna cost $500...

Personally, stock S14 white face cluster w/ some red bulbs is enough sprucing up for me...

Those needle kits are expensive for the crap they are. Only seen them sold from one company, maybe you know of another. I've swapped out my reg. bulbs for LED bulbs and it's a nice touch, but I'd like something a little more modern looking. This would be an option if it turns out right. Doesn't have to have the two gauges I'm seeking, but it'd be nice to somehow incorporate them. Doesn't hurt to have options. Only other options I could think of are maybe getting a Kouki 180SX cluster or another USDM DOHC cluster, crack it open and tinker with it till I like what I see.

[LoanShark]

I wish they would bring back the original p-1's...

+1

I don't care much for the new ones. I liked the 16" fits they had of the regular P1.

cluster - no thanks, made my own. works fine.

I'm pretty interested in the Secu-Timer though. Another added security measure wouldn't hurt.

[kuruptR]

boo, id rather just get a k's meter speedometer stock replacement and call it day. Stock gauges would look better than this.

[alexander500]

-The P1 QFs look so so and have good offsets, I would buy them for half of what they are going to cost, maybe

-The P2s look even less appealing to me and are propibly cost more than what I would want to spent on them.

-Both sets just don't speak to me, making me want to throw down lots of loot for them

[whiterps13]

If you could convince them to bring over a GOOD sized 4 lug wheel, Im sure it would sell like crazy in our market. The lack of options in the 4 lug category forces people to spend extra cash on a completely unnecesary 5 lug conversion.

Something like 17x9 +15 or 18x9 +15 in 4lug would be awesome.

[dorkidori_s13]

If you could convince them to bring over a GOOD sized 4 lug wheel, Im sure it would sell like crazy in our market. The lack of options in the 4 lug category forces people to spend extra cash on a completely unnecesary 5 lug conversion.

Something like 17x9 +15 or 18x9 +15 in 4lug would be awesome.

actually...in all honesty...i use to think like that...until i went out and spent the money on a 5 lug conversion for my 240...best money i ever put into the car...4 lug wheels are a waste for most companies now because damn near ALL new cars that are being produced...and have been produced in the last 5-8 years...theyre all 5 lug...so the majority of the market is dominated by 5 lug cars

[seesquared]

im amazed at the amount of sheer negativity coming from people

instead of looking at the fact it does nothing special over stock...look at the upside that someone is at least ATTEMPTING to bring you guys a fresh idea to dress your interiors up a bit...or rather UPDATE your stock cluster with something that not only LOOKS better...but FUNCTIONS better

or just keep looking at the negative side of things and nothing will ever get accomplished

i dont think it is so much people being negative but they are giving their input. we understand you are trying to get some cool parts for the S chassis, however you did ask for input and people are giving it. if it doesnt draw that much attention then so be it

i personally like the way the cluster looks, and indeed would be a great upgrade for the interior, but im in the same boat as a few on here.

if it was priced a little cheaper, then maybe. ill be the first one to admit i suck at wiring and i hate dealing with it, so the plug and play factor is great. i also have a daily driver so taking some time to wire something like defi/stack up wouldnt bother me

but like i said, if the interest isnt there, it isnt there.

and those P2s are so sick. i want some 18s so bad but im not feeling that +35 on the 9''.

[wylin]

honestly i think importing wheels for the 240sx market is a waste, even for the cast models as the market has moved more toward more low-end product from China and taiwan.

The cluster as well is a waste if one considers the cost of a used 240sx and the cluster a percentage of the price of the used car.

But i'm sure its more beneficial for buddy club to stick to other unique offset RWD cars like the 350/G, Rx-8, IS, and S2000. As a typical owner of that type of car will have more disposable income than the current average S-chassis owner, and especially IS and s2000 require a pretty weird offset in the high +40's to low +60's.

[ursmokd]

hahaha i still love all your guys' + and - rep. its great. especially to the dumbass who said "you got fired. we get it.. bla bla bla" you made me smile ;) hahaha
and to all you + rep fooools. you're welcome. hahaha =)

[dorkidori_s13]

ok well im going to close this thread now...its getting a little out of hand