200sx

[red240ne]

i was minding my own business yesterday at borders. does anyone else go there? they have great drinks, better than any starbucks....anyways, i was reading that sports car magazine with a 350z on it(great article, a must read) &nbsp;AND ANYWAYS, there was this new BANZAI magazine, it said it was from England, maybe it's something new, maybe not, but they had this sweeeet 180sx in it!! according to them though, it was a 200sx!! omg! i can't believe all of these stupid magazines lately. &nbsp;200sx??? &nbsp;they said it 7 or 8 times. they never corrected themselves. &nbsp;perdon mi, but isn't anything with a ca18det an early model 180sx!!!!!!? come on!(ka bon!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[AutoDestruct]

No. &nbsp;After the original run of 180's they kept making them except they went with sr20's instead of Ca18's. &nbsp;Hence 200sx. &nbsp; You better get on the Asbestos underware real quick man. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[red240ne]

yea, it had a ca18det in it though, is what i'm saying. &nbsp; 180sx!

[red240ne]

just look at the mag and you'll understand, and be disappointed.

[misnomer]

whoah dood, be careful before flaming magazines. . . iirc, even the 180sx hasn't had the ca18 motor for ten years or so.180sx is basically a fastback s13, whereas the 200sx is the name for the Silvia coupe body style outside of Japan.So now you know.

[red240ne]

let's just stop arguing until someone else actually reads the magazine themself

[red240ne]

ok, maybe it could have been one of those european 200sx's or whatever, but i'm pretty sure this was a 180

[Foxcolt]

To my knowledge they are all called 200sx's in Europe.


Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[red240ne]

which i just said.

[Foxcolt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AutoDestruct @ Oct. 29 2002,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No. After the original run of 180's they kept making them except they went with sr20's instead of Ca18's. Hence 200sx. You better get on the Asbestos underware real quick man. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In England they never had an s13 with an SR. They went straight from the ca18 powered fastback to the silvia coupe (S14) with SR.


Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[Foxcolt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (red240ne @ Oct. 29 2002,11:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">which i just said.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Maybe I'm not understanding you. But this whole thread is nothing but wrong information.



Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[red240ne]

tru tru, maybe so, but i got my posts up! unless they delete it...

[240Driver39]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tru tru, maybe so, but i got my posts up! unless they delete it...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> This is whats bad for the forums, and i suppose this is where i call for a mod to work their magic and close this <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[AKADriver]

wow, wtf?

Euro-spec S13, S14 = 200SX.

Euro-spec S13's were all hatchbacks with the CA18DET, even after Japan switched over to the SR.

Euro-spec S14's were all SR20DET powered, but they had bodywork and trim more like a 240SX than a Silvia. &nbsp;The SR20DET was detuned to 200hp, but it was a full-fledged S14 SR20DET with VCT.

The names 180SX and 200SX are no real indication of the engine size, don't take them as such. &nbsp;They're just names.

[CoasTek240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Oct. 28 2002,1:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wow, wtf?

Euro-spec S13, S14 = 200SX.

Euro-spec S13's were all hatchbacks with the CA18DET, even after Japan switched over to the SR.

Euro-spec S14's were all SR20DET powered, but they had bodywork and trim more like a 240SX than a Silvia. The SR20DET was detuned to 200hp, but it was a full-fledged S14 SR20DET with VCT.

The names 180SX and 200SX are no real indication of the engine size, don't take them as such. They're just names.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
beat me to it.. the only time u should really pay attention to the name and relate it to it's class is in japan, where the cars are actually made. in europe still called the s13's 200sx's... but i wasn;t sur ebout the s13 never having an sr20. cuz my friend has two s14's both with sr20det in denmark and he's got a 91 200sx and it has an sr20 and he didn't do the swap, and he's the second owner next to an old guy and he's pretty sure the old guy didn't do the swap.. so it's kinda weird..can u make sure of that for me.. ? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

[flipboi13]

I thought I was going to read some story about a 240sx vs 200sx race or something, but instead i come upon some guy who doesn't know what he's talking about... someone delete this post before the IQ on zilvia.net goes down 10 more points.

Banzai magazine has been around a bit actually, and i realized they called s14s 200sxs there in europe the first time. &nbsp;You can even go to a European website and find pics of the Euro spec Silvia S15 Spev V which is called a 200SX Spev V. &nbsp;I don't like the mag tho, too many ugly girls.

[flipboi13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Oct. 29 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The names 180SX and 200SX are no real indication of the engine size, don't take them as such. They're just names.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Outside of the US anyway.

[AKADriver]

Inside the US too. &nbsp;We've had cars called "200SX" that had a 2.0, a 1.8 turbo, a 3.0 V6, and even some FWD cars with a 1.6. &nbsp;It's just a name.

Yes I'm sure they never got an S13 SR20DET in Europe.

Read for yourself on 200sx.nu:

<a href="http://web.200sx.nu/English/ombilarna/Modellinfo.asp" target='_blank'>http://web.200sx.nu/English/ombilarna/Modellinfo.asp</a>

[AutoDestruct]

okay, okay. &nbsp;He red can I borrow those underware? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (red240ne @ Oct. 30 2002,12:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tru tru, maybe so, but i got my posts up! unless they delete it...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
http://212.212.159.196/camppain/imagesP/genepool.jpg

[240sxtreme]

also, I believe Australia gets the "200sx" instead of silvia as well...in fact, isn't there an Australian guy on the zilvia board?

as far as the s13 fastback(ie 180sx), 94-up, please provide some sort of reference that it never had the SR20...because everything I've seen since says it has the SR20...the blacktop.

once again, I'll tell anyone who's interested in the SR20 to please read the 240's community SR20 Faq's. If you can prove there's something wrong with the FAQ's, then you'll be big man on campus...http://srswap.com/html/info/faq_specs.htm

that's it, I'm changing my sig as of right now.

[ruf]

Yes please. It's idiots like these that spread misinformation and have no idea what they are talking about that make me not even want to come on this forum, even for laughs. Nothing but SR dreamers, and the SR isn't all that much to dream about. It was funny at first but after a while it's really annoying to watch a relatively new community eaten away by TvN3rZ. Custom Injen ram air, Vibrant (WTF is that?) exhaust? 300Z fuel filter? oooooh. Post less, research more, get a job, and modify your car instead of dreaming about it. If you want to camp here and babble, fine but quit making sh!tpiles of misinformation for others to clean up.

And don't get me started on people that so vocally "hate ricers" but defend companies like Konig and Velox as acceptable alternatives to those "outlandishly expensive JDM rims".

[Black Apple]

what was the 200sx here?

i beleive it was fwd but i don't see many of them. For some reason i'm tinking it's a sentra or somthing similar

please correct me

[ruf]

Basically a sporty 2-door Sentra. I recall a British announcer mistaking it for RWD European car of the same name in a US race throughout the entire race. Kept talking about the FWD Civic vs. the RWD 200SX when it was obviously the FWD US 200SX. Oops... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ruf @ Oct. 30 2002,05:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basically a sporty 2-door Sentra. I recall a British announcer mistaking it for RWD European car of the same name in a US race throughout the entire race. Kept talking about the FWD Civic vs. the RWD 200SX when it was obviously the FWD US 200SX. Oops... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ruf is right the 200sx is a sentra with 2 dors and vice versa. like mine which has the fabeled sr20de! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[flipboi13]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do all US 200SXs have SR20DEs? and Sentra SE-Rs have the SR20DE? and all lower models have the weak B16 killing GA16DE.

[240sxtreme]

well, I don't know about pre-88...but here's what I do know.

88-VG30E, SR20DE

95-up-SR20DE, GA16DE

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 29 2002,4:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">also, I believe Australia gets the "200sx" instead of silvia as well...in fact, isn't there an Australian guy on the zilvia board?

as far as the s13 fastback(ie 180sx), 94-up, please provide some sort of reference that it never had the SR20...because everything I've seen since says it has the SR20...the blacktop.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes, Australia got S14 and S15 models badged '200SX' with the same detuned 200hp SR20DET as Europe. &nbsp;Australia got no S13 available new. &nbsp;They do have a very healthy stream of S13s imported into their country from Japan. &nbsp;These are full Japanese spec Silvias and 180SXs powered by CA18 ('89-'90) or SR20 ('91-'98) engines.

In reference to your second comment, I was referring only to European-market, 200SX-badged models! &nbsp;Read my posts before calling BS <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;In Europe the S13 hatchback was available from '89-'94 with the CA18DET only. &nbsp;There are S13s with SR20DETs swapped into them there, and in England in particular there are some imported JDM S13s, but these are not original Euro-spec models, and they are not badged '200SX'.

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 29 2002,6:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, I don't know about pre-88...but here's what I do know.

88-VG30E, SR20DE

95-up-SR20DE, GA16DE</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The original S10 200SX came to the US in 1976, powered by an L20.

In 1979 the S110 200SX was released, powered by a Z20.

In 1984 the S12 200SX was released, powered by a CA20E or CA18ET. &nbsp;In 1987 the CA18ET was dropped and the VG30E was added. &nbsp;Canada kept the CA18ET as an option.

All of the preceding are rear wheel drive cars based on the Silvia family.

In 1989 the S13 240SX replaced the S12.

The 1995-1998 US-spec 200SX was... horribly misnamed, since it wasn't based on an S-chassis. &nbsp;It was a B-chassis (Sentra) powered by a GA16DE (XE, SE) or SR20DE (SE-R).

[camppain]

91-94 sentra se-r had the sr20de all other trims had ga16de's

95-97 200sx se-r's had sr20de's 98-01 sentra se's have sr20de's opther trims up untill 00 had ga until the qg18de replaced the ga

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Posted: Oct. 28 2002,9:43
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Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 29 2002,6:44)
well, I don't know about pre-88...but here's what I do know.
88-VG30E, SR20DE
95-up-SR20DE, GA16DE
The original S10 200SX came to the US in 1976, powered by an L20.
In 1979 the S110 200SX was released, powered by a Z20.
In 1984 the S12 200SX was released, powered by a CA20E or CA18ET. In 1987 the CA18ET was dropped and the VG30E was added. Canada kept the CA18ET as an option.
All of the preceding are rear wheel drive cars based on the Silvia family.
In 1989 the S13 240SX replaced the S12.
The 1995-1998 US-spec 200SX was... horribly misnamed, since it wasn't based on an S-chassis. It was a B-chassis (Sentra) powered by a GA16DE (XE, SE) or SR20DE (SE-R). </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

damn AKA beat me too it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
you left out one tidbit though . the S12 came in Hatchback and coupe .
The Gazelle and Silvia in Japan. In 1989 the Gazelle became the 180sx and the Silvia remained the Silvia which was always a coupe up to the S15 which was more a cross between a coupe and the Hatch. IMHO

[AKADriver]

There were actually S110 and S12 Gazelle coupes and Silvia hatchbacks, though. &nbsp;The 180SX did replace the Gazelle in Nissan's sales structure, but I guess they didn't see fit to continue both body styles in both lines (until the Sileighty came out... and not counting the US 240SX coupe).

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (camppain @ Oct. 29 2002,3:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ruf @ Oct. 30 2002,05:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basically a sporty 2-door Sentra. I recall a British announcer mistaking it for RWD European car of the same name in a US race throughout the entire race. Kept talking about the FWD Civic vs. the RWD 200SX when it was obviously the FWD US 200SX. Oops... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ruf is right the 200sx is a sentra with 2 dors and vice versa. like mine which has the fabeled sr20de! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I believe the only 200sx w/ the SR20DE was the SE-R model. The STD and Base had a ga16 (ga?) or something. I definately know it was a 1.6L Does anyone know about sentras though? All or only 1 model that had the SR20DE?


Edit: Shit I was beaten to it, who knew there was a god damn 2nd page?! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[flipboi13]

LOL

--- My first post whore ---

[Dark]

I read the magazine the cars owner is related to the owner of Option magazine he lives in England missed his s13 and had it imported from Japan. Its a hatchback with an sr20det engine tuned to 300HP for drift duty. He has a good suspension setup with 18 inch rims so he can have more control while drifting.

end of story

In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.

It's white with a rollcage and striped interior. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[Foxcolt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OMG I can't believe this thread is still going <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

"In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing."

I'm reading this wrong right?? I must be....I just have to be cause this has to be one of the stupidist comments I've heard in quite a while.

Unless you mistyped or something. C'mon please tell me you did.

Jed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stupidity should be painful. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[Dark]

DRIFT KING
What constitutes an ideal drifting car? Option Motorsport has the answer with its 350bhp S13 200SX

http://www.banzaimagazine.com

What is a 200SX?
That's not as easy a question as you might think. There are at least three cars sold in different parts of the world under this name. Each is unique to it's market.
The base car for this family is the Nissan Silvia, and it is sold in Japan and possibly other parts of South-East Asia under this name. Basically, this is a rear wheel drive two-door "personal sports coupe" powered by a 4 cylinder DOHC engine. Differences in the models will be covered in another section.

http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/faq_1.html#q1.1

Here's my proof where is yours &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[Dark]

Why is it a 240SX in North America?
This is a pretty vexing question, especially if you happen to live there. &nbsp;When the S13 was introduced to the North American Market, Nissan North America chose not to import cars with the turbocharged engines (CA18DET or SR20DET).

Still needing good performance they selected the KA24E 2.4 litre engine used in the Bluebird (Altima) and a couple of commercial vehicles. &nbsp;At 130HP it was not slow, and when updated to the 155HP KA24DE engine performance improved even further.

But the question remains, why? &nbsp;Several reasons have surfaced, and the truth is that it is probably a combination of these and other factors which led to the birth of the 240SX:

The KA24E engine costs less that the CA18DET and produced similar power. &nbsp;This is not quite as compelling when looking at the SR20DET.

A 200SX with similar performance to a normally aspirated 300ZX but at a much lower price would have cannibalised sales of both 300ZX variations. &nbsp;The Twin-Turbo was sold only in Japan and North America, so elsewhere this was not a concern.

At the time of introduction, "Premium" (RON higher than 93) was rare in North America. &nbsp;California and Florida were key markets, and with the high temperatures, detonation would be a real problem, not to mention poor performance.

In the later years, common parts with the Altima (Bluebird) kept spares pricing down for this low-volume car.

http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/faq_1.html#q1.1

[the3SecondJerk]

Way to steal my sig, dark. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':evil:'>

[AKADriver]

hahaha, uhhh, way to read, 'tard. The page you posted makes reference to "Later 2.0 litre 180SX". It's full of errors in other places though. Awful.

Here's a nice review of a Japanese-spec 180SX, in English (it's geared towards people in Australia wishing to import them):

<a href="http://www.autospeed.com/A_1056/page1.html" target='_blank'>http://www.autospeed.com/A_1056/page1.html</a>

You want proof? You've got an entire forum telling you you're an idiot. That'd be enough for me, but, while I may be an idiot sometimes, I'm not a stubborn idiot.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':withstupid:'>

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">dark qoutes....Why is it a 240SX in North America?
This is a pretty vexing question, especially if you happen to live there. When the S13 was introduced to the North American Market, Nissan North America chose not to import cars with the turbocharged engines (CA18DET or SR20DET).
Still needing good performance they selected the KA24E 2.4 litre engine used in the Bluebird (Altima) and a couple of commercial vehicles. At 130HP it was not slow, and when updated to the 155HP KA24DE engine performance improved even further.
But the question remains, why? Several reasons have surfaced, and the truth is that it is probably a combination of these and other factors which led to the birth of the 240SX:
The KA24E engine costs less that the CA18DET and produced similar power. This is not quite as compelling when looking at the SR20DET.
A 200SX with similar performance to a normally aspirated 300ZX but at a much lower price would have cannibalised sales of both 300ZX variations. The Twin-Turbo was sold only in Japan and North America, so elsewhere this was not a concern.
At the time of introduction, "Premium" (RON higher than 93) was rare in North America. California and Florida were key markets, and with the high temperatures, detonation would be a real problem, not to mention poor performance.
In the later years, common parts with the Altima (Bluebird) kept spares pricing down for this low-volume car.
http://www.emergent.com.au/200sx/faq_1.html#q1.1
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

ok whoever wrote this never talked to Nissan North America or even read the Car and Driver articles or Road and Track articles when the 240sx debuted in the United States. The australian who wrote the above fact was an absolute moron and you are for quoteing him.
One , the faq mixs fact with fiction. Yes the North American side of Nissan did not want a second Turbo car in there lineup but it had nothing to do with gasoline octane ratings.
It had to do with two things . One is Nissan wanted to pump up sales of the 200sx i.e. Silvia in the United States . When the Hatchback was released here there was no mistaking the similarites it held to the original 240z . Nissan chose the KA24 for several reasons . Turbo engines where more expensive for Insurance reasons in 1989 and emission reasons the EPA was a lot harsher about Turbo cars.
getting back to the main point about the 240 name and the KA24 . Yes Nissan wanted to cash in on the nostalgia for the 240z seeing as the 300zx had gone upstream from its origins the 240z . So by installing a 2.4 liter 4 clyinder engine with roughly close to the same HP rating of the original 240z 6 cylinder L24 . They had a 240 namesake car. Add to the fact that the weight of the car was exactly the same as a 1972 mid year 240z you were going to see similar performance with the much more modern suspension. It would be worthy of the 240sx namesake . Add also to the fact that most American drivers love torque and do not care about high redlines and revs.(remember folks this was the &nbsp;land of the V8 and until very recently most V8's here revved about as high as 5500 rpm)
that is why Nissan chose the KA24 for the North American continent .
Remember the 240z sold well over 150,000 in the 4 years the model was sold here. Thats phenomenal(sp) sales figures for the 1970's.

[SilviaDriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,06:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what...the...fuck? man..i have lots to say..but i dont wanna type it all out..too much violence

also..dont u know that site u gave us as "proof" that foo lives somewhere in europe? not US or Japan..y else would u think hez always calling it 200sx

wheres the "man u are a fucken moron" smilie when u need it..this kinda looks like it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[240sxtreme]

ok...lets clear some stuff up...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hahaha, uhhh, way to read, 'tard. &nbsp;The page you posted makes reference to "Later 2.0 litre 180SX". &nbsp;It's full of errors in other places though. &nbsp;Awful.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

AKAdriver-the 180 was always the 180, it started out with a 1.8 CA, hence the name, when they gave it the 2.0 SR, it was still the 180. &nbsp;hence the "later 2.0 litre 180sx"..I don't see a problem with that.

In fact, that whole site, I can't really see any issues..other then the reasons why the 240 came with the 2.4 liter KA. &nbsp;But I don't think anyone knows the real reason, and I highly doubt Nissan will ever tell us. &nbsp;It'll always be speculation. &nbsp;what you said drift freaq is a definate plausible theory..unless you are personal friends with the person in charge of choosing which vehicles in which trims are availiabe to the USDM...I don't understand how you can "know" the true reason.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One is Nissan wanted to pump up sales of the 200sx i.e. Silvia in the United States </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

and what do you mean by this? &nbsp;200sx ie. silvia in the US? &nbsp;I'm confused...by this are you meaning the s chassis car sold in the US, eventually becoming the 240sx?

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ Oct. 31 2002,11:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AKAdriver-the 180 was always the 180, it started out with a 1.8 CA, hence the name, when they gave it the 2.0 SR, it was still the 180. hence the "later 2.0 litre 180sx"..I don't see a problem with that.

In fact, that whole site, I can't really see any issues..other then the reasons why the 240 came with the 2.4 liter KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes! &nbsp;About the 180SX, Exactly! &nbsp;Don't tell me that, tell Dark!

Here are a few of the errata on that page, by the way:
- The S10 was not limited export, they sold quite a few of them in the US as the 200SX.
- The US S110 had a Z20, not an L20. &nbsp;Japan also got a Z18ET.
- Japan had the CA18ET available as well in the S12. &nbsp;JDM Gazelles and US 200SXs did get turbo engines and hence the hood bulge. &nbsp;I came pretty close to grabbing a bulge hood for my N/A S12 from a junkyard...
- The KA24E preceded the KA24DE in the 240SX. &nbsp;They mention the 12 valves, but not the correct engine code. &nbsp;No JDM Silvia K's came without a turbo. &nbsp;'R' refers to the fastback body, not the popup lights, and no export S13 had the 'P' code (SR20).
- S14 240SX did not have HICAS available (S14 Silvia did though).
-UK/Europe S13 200SX did not get the SR20DET, ever.
-S14a's were not sold in Japan after S15 release (late 1998). &nbsp;They were sold in Europe however into early 1999.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Oct. 29 2002,10:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stupidity should be painful. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'> This thread is classic!

Lock this post and delete darks account &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Dark]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Dark @ Oct. 30 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I read the magazine the cars owner is related to the owner of Option magazine he lives in England missed his s13 and had it imported from Japan. Its a hatchback with an sr20det engine tuned to 300HP for drift duty. He has a good suspension setup with 18 inch rims so he can have more control while drifting.

end of story

In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.

It's white with a rollcage and striped interior. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
... sigh

It's been a long and bad week for me.

Making a noob mistake doesn’t make it any better.

So here goes

this is what I said

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Japan an s13 with an sr20det engine is called a 200sx the thing in the magazine is the real thing no swaps nothing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

This is what I should have said at the time

In England an s13 is called a 200SX

Sorry for the mistake the only thing that kept me going through this week was this thought "This too shall pass".

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>