check out my turbo setup...

[stil bil]

Turbo: T3 rebuilt .60 compressor and standard turbine for the T3 $400.00

Manifold: FMAX/Revhard $590.00   possibly the custom manifold setup from jgs 270

Wastegate: Tial 35mm $230.00

Hoses lines and all necessary fittings $60.00

BOV: Greddy type?? $199.00

DP: 2.5 inch $165.00

intake already have no cost..

boost gauge 70

total cost= $1714.00($1394.00 with jgs manifold)plus shipping so prolly $1900-2000 for a working turbo kit

optional


FMIC 700

turbo timer 90-100

tell me what you guys think!!!

[boosteds14]

nice setup.

where are u getting it from. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Oct. 24 2002,08:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Turbo: T3 rebuilt .60 compressor and standard turbine for the T3 $400.00

Manifold: FMAX/Revhard $590.00

Wastegate: Tial 35mm $230.00

Hoses lines and all necessary fittings $60.00

BOV: Greddy type?? $199.00

DP: 2.5 inch $165.00

intake already have no cost..

total cost= $1644.00 plus shipping so prolly $1700 for a working turbo kit

optional


FMIC 700
boost gauge 70
turbo timer 90-100

tell me what you guys think!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Turbo timer isn't optional.
Boost gauge isn't optional.
Hoses, lines and necessary fittings will be more than $60. &nbsp;I think I have $60 invested into my funny manifold bolts.
Don't forget gaskets... you'll need asbestos material for the heat.
How do you have the intake already? &nbsp;You don't even know where the turbo will sit...
And shipping will be a hellova lot more than the $56 you have accounted for.
But it seems like you have a kit for under $2k. &nbsp;Congrats... but please, don't have empty pockets when you do the install. &nbsp;So much crap comes up its unbelievable.
-Jeff

[Kreator]

Revhard is more like $480
and FMIC is more like $400

And yeah, your numbers are on the low side, it will come out to much more than that. Good luck anyways &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[sanmiam]

A FMIC is hardly optional, unless of course you are a big fan of your car going up in smoke. &nbsp;If you can make it work for that much let me know, I am looking to do something similar myself with a little (which will probably end up being alot) more work to the internals.
Also, a boost controller is a must, how else are you going to regulate the BOV and wastegate. &nbsp;If you are looking to go inexpensive buy a very nice manual one, but I would suggest biting the bullet and getting a remote one, it will save you sooo much trouble if you try to boost higher down the line. &nbsp;

Jeff240sx, why would a turbo timer not be optional, just let your car sit and idle for 30sec-1min before you turn it off.

and Kreator, where can you find a FMIC of a decent size for 400, because any that I have found are in the 650-750 range.

anyways, just my 2 cents

[LanceS13]

A boost controller is not mandatory...and it has nothing to do with the BOV. &nbsp;The wastegate alone will regulate boost...it's just not adjustable. &nbsp;All a boost controller does is "fool" the wastegate so it doesn't regulate boost until more boost is built up.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sanmiam @ Oct. 24 2002,11:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and Kreator, where can you find a FMIC of a decent size for 400, because any that I have found are in the 650-750 range.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Spearco ICs on ebay go for like $350
XS-Engineering IC is like $450

Also to run higher boost you'll have to have some extra stuff. Your current set up is at most 4-5 psi.

[BEISSEN]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Kreator Posted on Oct. 24 2002,12:31

Spearco ICs on ebay go for like $350
XS-Engineering IC is like $450

Also to run higher boost you'll have to have some extra stuff. Your current set up is at most 4-5 psi. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Well your half right on the i/c it is 450 w/o pipeing so if you can geta care for 400 with endtanks and get a shop to make the rest thenyou can have a i/c for about 600-700.00 depending on the cost of pipeing.The setup he has with all the stuff he can get and run about 10psi at most with out a built motor to be on the safe side.

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sanmiam @ Oct. 24 2002,1:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A FMIC is hardly optional, unless of course you are a big fan of your car going up in smoke. If you can make it work for that much let me know, I am looking to do something similar myself with a little (which will probably end up being alot) more work to the internals.
Also, a boost controller is a must, how else are you going to regulate the BOV and wastegate. If you are looking to go inexpensive buy a very nice manual one, but I would suggest biting the bullet and getting a remote one, it will save you sooo much trouble if you try to boost higher down the line.

Jeff240sx, why would a turbo timer not be optional, just let your car sit and idle for 30sec-1min before you turn it off.

and Kreator, where can you find a FMIC of a decent size for 400, because any that I have found are in the 650-750 range.

anyways, just my 2 cents</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hold up a second. &nbsp;I am being told how to run my KA-T from someone who doesn't know a thing about turbos, nevermind owning one.
First off, if you drive like my grandma, sure, let it idle for a minute before turning it off. &nbsp;I let mine run for 3 mins everywhere, and like 5 when I just get off the interstate. &nbsp;And do you really wanna SIT there if you just have to run to the bathroom to take a leak somewhere? &nbsp;I personally like locking my car, going in, comming out and my car is still running, switching the key to "on" and leaving.

Also... I don't think my car is going up in smoke, since I have no IC. &nbsp;It hasn't in 7k miles, and doesn't seem like it wants to. &nbsp;You don't need an intercooler untill high boost...

Finally... a boost controoler is not a must. &nbsp;It DOES NOT regulate the BOV, EVER! &nbsp;And the spring in the wastegate controlls the boost just fine, VIA THE WASTEGATE. &nbsp;Unless I am running my wastegate on hope....

So... don't correct me.
-Jeff

[nizmo s14]

Ouch &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

[stil bil]

hey thanks guys, and trust me, i have been quoted prices on everything and they are correct.... &nbsp;

i know that the setup is for low boost for now anyway at least until i can get some 370's and save for the fmic which is 700 for the ic endtanks and piping...

yes jeff the turbo timer is begining to become a must!

as for the intake i already have all the piping that i need, just have to get it bent...

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ Oct. 24 2002,1:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Kreator Posted on Oct. 24 2002,12:31

Spearco ICs on ebay go for like $350
XS-Engineering IC is like $450

Also to run higher boost you'll have to have some extra stuff. Your current set up is at most 4-5 psi. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Well your half right on the i/c it is 450 w/o pipeing so if you can geta care for 400 with endtanks and get a shop to make the rest thenyou can have a i/c for about 600-700.00 depending on the cost of pipeing.The setup he has with all the stuff he can get and run about 10psi at most with out a built motor to be on the safe side.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
He just said FMIC, so i was actually thinking of the thing alone. Plus a muffler shop can get u piping done for like $150. Add $300 for a spearco and that's $450 for the intercooler kit.

Also to run 10psi he'll need injectors, ecu/rrfpr and coupla other things that i'm too lazy to think of right now.

[stil bil]

kreator:

there is no muffler shop within 200 miles that i would trust something like that to...no one has a mandrel bending machine, or if they do they are not skilled enough to lake something that complex....

and to run 10 psi i have gave much thought to what is needed and that is my "stage II"

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Oct. 24 2002,6:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">kreator:

there is no muffler shop within 200 miles that i would trust something like that to...no one has a mandrel bending machine, or if they do they are not skilled enough to lake something that complex....

and to run 10 psi i have gave much thought to what is needed and that is my "stage II"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Do you know anyone with a welder around? Cuz you can buy 2.5" mandrel bent pipes. Stainless steel 1 feet pipe is around $20 bent to whatever degree u wish. So suppose u'll need like 6 of them to run the complete ic piping. That's like $120 and the quolity is much better than meineke or whoever else will be doing it. Except you gotta find that someone with the welder

[stil bil]

well my best friend is a certified welder all the way to under water welder!!! so that is no problem...plus he has a welder...the only trouble would be knowing where to put the bends and how big and such....if i had someones ic piping already i could copy that, but i dont have that...

it is a very good idea though and somewhat less than 700!!

[Annoying Eric]

Are you putting this in a s13 or s14? Im guessing your not changing your compression ratio, cause you did not list it. Lower compression pistons would make the Turbo setup ALOT better.. Stock s13 and s14 run, if i remmeber right, 10:1 which is a bit high for turbo, but besides that, the setup sounds awesome, good luck with that and also visit the link at the bottom, they sell complete turbo kits for ka24e and ka24de, and you can customize it, they sell good stuff and i speak to them alot, There really nice guys..

www.realnissan.com (http://www.realnissan.com)

[sanmiam]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Oct. 24 2002,4:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First off, if you drive like my grandma, sure, let it idle for a minute before turning it off. I let mine run for 3 mins everywhere, and like 5 when I just get off the interstate. And do you really wanna SIT there if you just have to run to the bathroom to take a leak somewhere? I personally like locking my car, going in, comming out and my car is still running, switching the key to "on" and leaving.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wooo, slow down buddy, didn't mean to offend. If I had known you had such an overactive bladder I would have never said anything <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> . But what I said were suggestions based off of what I am going to do and what I do know about turbo setups (and no, I definately do not know everything there is to know). I am not trying to directly flame your turbo setup or anything like that, and I was putting out a legit option, so I would appreciate being corrected without blowing up my spot. Thanks.

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sanmiam @ Oct. 24 2002,9:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Oct. 24 2002,4:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First off, if you drive like my grandma, sure, let it idle for a minute before turning it off. I let mine run for 3 mins everywhere, and like 5 when I just get off the interstate. And do you really wanna SIT there if you just have to run to the bathroom to take a leak somewhere? I personally like locking my car, going in, comming out and my car is still running, switching the key to "on" and leaving.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wooo, slow down buddy, didn't mean to offend. If I had known you had such an overactive bladder I would have never said anything <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> . But what I said were suggestions based off of what I am going to do and what I do know about turbo setups (and no, I definately do not know everything there is to know). I am not trying to directly flame your turbo setup or anything like that, and I was putting out a legit option, so I would appreciate being corrected without blowing up my spot. Thanks.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm not blowing up on the spot. &nbsp;I didn't even flame. &nbsp;I just don't like the fact that I have $3k in my setup, and did about 6 months worth of searching, learning, and questioning to know exactly what I wanted. &nbsp;Then, after buying stuff, I installed everything myself (a rarity now.) &nbsp;So I'd like to think that I know what I am talking about with turbos...
And more importantly, I don't want people buying intercoolers that will add lag when they dont need to, or have to skimp on real items because they can't afford it. &nbsp;I don't want people cooking their turbo bearings because someone said to sit in their car for 30 seconds. &nbsp;That is not enough time. &nbsp;Mabey if it was a z31 water cooled turbo... but most oil-cooled turbos need to run for a while. &nbsp;And I had about a week worth of sitting in my car for minutes while my timer wasn't connected properly. &nbsp;I would get antsy, and wanna go, and people would always get pissed when I stood at my car for 3 mins before we could start walking.
And you... please take my advice about the turbo timer, because I don't wanna see you later, sad about the dead turbo. &nbsp;I'd be really sad if my turbo died. &nbsp;It is expensive, and probably the one thing I worked hardest for. &nbsp;Both the saving and the install.
So... if you think I blew up, sorry. &nbsp;I just mainly didn't wanna be corrected.
-Jeff

[stil bil]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Oct. 24 2002,8:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Are you putting this in a s13 or s14? Im guessing your not changing your compression ratio, cause you did not list it. Lower compression pistons would make the Turbo setup ALOT better.. Stock s13 and s14 run, if i remmeber right, 10:1 which is a bit high for turbo, but besides that, the setup sounds awesome, good luck with that and also visit the link at the bottom, they sell complete turbo kits for ka24e and ka24de, and you can customize it, they sell good stuff and i speak to them alot, There really nice guys..

www.realnissan.com (http://www.realnissan.com)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it is going on a s14, and the compression is 9.5:1 in all the ka24de's i think...i believe the sohc is either 10 or 10.5:1

and i am working on that...looking to go to 8.5:1 forged! and maybe crower rods or just stock new rods from nissan...

[sykikchimp]

You should call around and find out prices for yourself Stil bil. &nbsp;You can ALWAYS find good deals on stuff out there. &nbsp;Used turbos from older cars, used IC's from older cars, check the junk yards.. &nbsp;hell you could build your whole turbo kit from http://car-part.com/

Turbo - 1-200 + rebuild = 300 (Car-parts.com)
IC- Mitsu - Starion - &nbsp; &nbsp; = 150 (Car-parts.com)
IC Piping + downtube &nbsp; &nbsp;= 150 (Custom at Muffler shop..)
Manifold.. &nbsp;Custom &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;= $229 &nbsp;(JGS TURBO manifold kit.. &nbsp;http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/thk.html &nbsp;--since your friend is a welder)
hoses/fittings/hardware = $100
Vortex FMU &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = $150 (Vortexsuperchargers.com)
Bosch Recirculation valve =$50 (Autozone)
Gauges &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = $150 (AutoMeter)
Boost controller &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;= $50 &nbsp;(Hardware store)
Fuel Pump &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=$125 (Walbro)
Filter - K&N &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =$45
Wastegate-Deltagate &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=$150 (Or a Used Tial 35mm if you can find one..)

total: &nbsp; ~$1650 (before those "unexpected" costs.)


This would yeild you a good safe 7psi and probably 220whp. &nbsp;(this used to be my list.. &nbsp;All those are Actual prices I found when looking hard.. &nbsp;Still coulda done better though.. &nbsp;It's all about patience.)

[stil bil]

hey i did do a bit of calling around myself....found a supplier that i liked and will not buy something from a junkyard that has sat for who knows how long, and will pay extra for a product that is new...

only reason the turbo is not new is because my friend(the welder) gave it to me along with another t3. &nbsp;

and a few of the things that you mentioned are things that i did not think if ie custom manifold

and some other things that i do appreciate you for bringing to my attention..espically car parts.com &nbsp;however i am about to go to work and dont have time to look at it

thanks sykikchimp

[SimpleS14]

I thought you wanted to stay N/A?

I knew you would change your mind. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> Nice setup, but we'll see how everything goes after the install.

Good luck! and don't become boost happy! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[stil bil]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Oct. 24 2002,11:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I thought you wanted to stay N/A?

I knew you would change your mind. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> Nice setup, but we'll see how everything goes after the install.

Good luck! and don't become boost happy! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well na only lasted a post or 2...\

then it was supercharger, but unstable hybrids has basically given up on the idea...

so i decided to go with the best thing..turbo!!

i was thinking to my self, i said self greater gains, greater market, alot more upgradeable room....lets go turbo, and the fact that i already had the turbo just helped the decision out a bit...


i am hoping it will work out ok, but i may decide to rebuild before turbo...depends on the compression test and leak down results..

i wonder what a stock rebuilt with .20 overbore with 8.5:1 cast aluminum pistons would be like....but prolly still gonna try for forged..

but for sure when the injectors get here the engine will prolly have been run enough and be wanting to be freshened up a bit..who knows...

[stil bil]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Oct. 24 2002,8:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mabey if it was a z31 water cooled turbo... but most oil-cooled turbos need to run for a while. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it is a t3 watercooled turbo from the z31.....

85 model if it matters...

[stil bil]

check out my first post, edited my price and product list!!