14.68 w/ STOCK 240!!

[chinderer]

I just went to the track and ran a 14.68 @ 94.4 mph!!!  My 96SE is COMPLETELY stock except for a new clutch.  This is improved over a 15.03 @ 92.  Is anyone else getting times near this?  Any one in the DE area want to race?

[SilviaDriver]

time slip

[xNotoriousGQx]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> WOW! Impressive time. &nbsp;Good Job!

[BadMoJo]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>



timeslip and picts of fully un-modded car....


untill then i say &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[xLSTONEx]

Ok unless you have slicks or something, that is so much bullshit. No offence but I also own a s14 and there is no possible way. If you had slicks it still would nearly impossible. There is just no absolute way if you are in a KA engine. Hopefully you are talking about a stock SR20.

[chinderer]

Timeslip on the way (friend is scanning it).

[chinderer]

Don't blame you guys for not believing, I have trouble believing. After all it is only a stock KA, no slicks, not even LSD (there was actually quite a bit of wheelspin through first). I was just wondering what others are running. I knew it was kind of a freak, I can beat my friend's Integra GSR and stay even w/ anothers mustang 5.0, who also has an auto 240 that ran 16.2 w/ a bad launch the same night. I was wondering if a cam swap or any other internal mods by the previous owner could account for the glaring discrepancy in performance.

[whateverjames]

was there a 400mph wind going in the same direction? going downhill? being pushed by a corvette? slip the track guys an extra $20? was it your birthday? did you sell your soul? details please!

[Potatoskins02]

you might want to check the manufacturer and the type of car you own...................... i can imagine someone getting a time of maybe 15.5 but w/ no lsd its kinda hard to believe if you don't have slicks. Or are you 1000's of feet below sea level? If you had racing cams you would notice the difference. I believe they cause a harsher idle but more importantly change your powerband.

[chinderer]

I'm @ sea level.

[240racer]

I think you are looking at the wrong side of the timeslip

[gabossie]

Ummmmm... I look foreward to seeing the time slip <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'> I don't want to call you a liar, but there just has to be something that we aren't seeing here, I just don't see how that is possible.

[Potatoskins02]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240racer @ Oct. 23 2002,11:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you are looking at the wrong side of the timeslip</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I second this. I hate to say this though even if i do see a timeslip i'll still be skeptical of the time. I honestly would have to be up there at the track and watch your car go.

[chinderer]

i have a pic of the car, timeslip may take a while.

[chinderer]

like I said i dont blame you guys. &nbsp;I definately wouldn't believe me either.

[240racer]

first question, what gear are you in at the finish line?
second, please list your mods you think you might have, so I can get them. &nbsp;list everything, no interior, k&n panel filter, etc.

[chinderer]

there is a pic of my car @ 240 (http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?image=254000-254999/254871_3_full.jpg). &nbsp;The top timeslip is my friends camaro. &nbsp;The bottom is my old timeslip from july (i'm on the right). &nbsp;And that is my car. &nbsp;I would get more pics but i have no scanner.

[Sixbanger]

Is your car a base model with no sunroof, no ac, nothing... that might help explain a little, still a crazy time to be running.

[Evil S14]

and people thought i was full of shit when i ran 15.3 with just an exhaust, do u not have power steering or an interior?. &nbsp;Maybe the place messed up, shit happens, one time my friends auto mustang which runs 14s consistent ran a 13.5. i think the machine messed up, especially if u only ran a 15 before. &nbsp;Also we have a dragstrip in muncie that is at a slight decline, maybe urs is too

[chinderer]

I pass the line in fourth, I have full interior, not even a new air filter although i did disconnect the piping going to the airbox for the 14.68. &nbsp;The clutch is the only other mod, i got that out of a 93 240 in which i also took the tranny. &nbsp;The 5th/rev shift fork broke off from me powershifting and all the synchros were gone out of the old one (no clutch, blipping throttle). &nbsp;I also have 225 Bridgestone S-02's which did give me a ton more grip than the goodyear's it came with. &nbsp;Thats everything i can think of. &nbsp;Also as far as powerband, i make absolutely no power below 4000, then has a very abrupt surge and pulls hard as hell until 6000. &nbsp;Weird huh? &nbsp;It used to not have the surge @ 4K but i have run the living shit out of it and it seems to be, not slower, but definately not as smooth. &nbsp;I launch @ ~4500 and slip the hell out of the clutch to keep it @ about 5000 with the throttle pegged and when it hooks i slam 2nd with a blip of the throttle and about an inch tap of the clutch. &nbsp;2nd-3rd ~ 55mph, &nbsp;3rd-4th ~ 81mph. thats about it. get all that?

[Potatoskins02]

"hotrod?" ....... any who nice that you have a time slip..... better if you have a vid....(boy would that shut me up)

[chinderer]

Evil S14, track messup, maybe, which seems likely since i jumped from 10-15 run's between 15.0 and 15.1 all of a sudden to 14.68. &nbsp;The track is definately flat however, if you've been to lower DE you would know that HAS to be true.
VERY flat state.

[Potatoskins02]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Evil S14 @ Oct. 23 2002,11:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe the place messed up, shit happens, one time my friends auto mustang which runs 14s consistent ran a 13.5. i think the machine messed up, especially if u only ran a 15 before. Also we have a dragstrip in muncie that is at a slight decline, maybe urs is too</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that would explain a lot. I'm still not getting it though.......... but you know what if you got that more power to you. I just don't see how anyone else with mods (intake, exhaust, header, clutch, lsd) wouldn't be posting amazing times like yours from DE.

[chinderer]

sixbanger, actually it's a fully loaded SE, everything but leather and the ABS/LSD package. &nbsp;I registered as HOTROD to try to get a matchup with one of my friends (camaros and mustangs). &nbsp;They made me look rather slow though.

[chinderer]

240 (http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=254871) is the correct address. &nbsp;I gave you only the one timeslip. my car is in the middle. &nbsp;Since then have gottn hit in the back TWO times and hit a deer. &nbsp;Definately not as pretty anymore.

[Evil S14]

that explais it, it was a magical deer with super powers, &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[chinderer]

Oh and i foregot, i am pushing 93000 miles, so when i change the timing chain shortly i am definately going to take a look at the head/int./exh. &nbsp;I'm half expecting to find them fully ported. Anyway, i never expected to type this much stuff just to show you that i'm not lieing. &nbsp;It always turns out this way after racing and the questions like 'where's the nitrous?' come up, especially after racing 240's (i smoke every one of them). &nbsp;Also, can you guys detail your runs, I think alot of the time is from my driving, cuz i consistantly knock alot of time off my friends times in their cars (even though i've blown three of their tranny's - whoops). &nbsp;Anyway, its late thank you all for your time and comments.

[KyoLo]

that was crazy....i was thinking maybe the weather was freezing cold OR it could be your car was one of the few 96 240sx's THAT has happened to be NISSAN's SECRET SILVIA WEAPON!!!! Intriguing, huh, hm......just that timeslip could've killed many CIVIC's and INTEGRAs, even type-R could be a piece of shit if your car ran that 14's ....

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also as far as powerband, i make absolutely no power below 4000, then has a very abrupt surge and pulls hard as hell until 6000. Weird huh? It used to not have the surge @ 4K</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

well that sounds like a race cam response to me. But i doubt your car has a race cams with that kind of grind because you would have a very lumpy idle with a cam that gives no power below 4k and kicks hard after that. that is the way hi lift cams respond.

[S14_tat]

but look at this reaction time. he has a reaction time of around .600 thats pretty damn close to perfect for someone whos not a pro racer. anyways. did you buy that car new or did you buy it from someone else? i think he did do some internal work to the car that you don't know about. ............ or when you changed yoru timing chain, that the mechanic screwed up and retarded your intake timing by a full 4 degrees and now your pulling like crazy. hey it could happen, you never know?

[Potatoskins02]

reaction time doesn't matter in a 1/4 mile. you can sit at the staging area for 5 secs for all i care and it wouldn't affect your quarter mile. what is important is his 60' time which isn't bad but isn't that spectacular when you see cars getting 2.1's or less.

[MorganS13]

thats amazing, but u should be getting a lot better 60' than a 2.3. &nbsp;especially with an LSD and 225 tires... &nbsp;i was getting 2.3s on my 205s with an open differential with decent wheelspin &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> &nbsp;nice slips though

[Evil S14]

.600 isnt impossible, not that it matters, ive hit .525 and similar on a few occasions. and my 60' was 2.1 with stock 195 tires

[KoukiS14]

I KNOW for a fact 15.4 is obtainable, I stood there (and got VIDEO footage I have yet to digitize) of Evil S14s run... No LSD, dual N1. . etc... &nbsp;Fairly stock really, so maybe the 14.xx is obtainable.. =) &nbsp;Maybe our cars don't suck that much haha

-Rob

[Phlip]

Someone just pegged my bullshit meter... Was this in an eighth mile track or the quarter? I know people with modded SRs running 14s with piss poor traction.

[Potatoskins02]

i'm not saying 15.4 is impossible. if you look at my post before i said that I could believe 15.5...... but a 14.68 is about a second faster if you are doing a 15.4. Think about it, a whole second if well over just a car length ahead. Again if he did get "more power to him" but i am like someone without a religion.... I won't believe it until i actually see it... ok bad analogy

[turbo240sx]

i finished the quarter in the top of 3rd gear, at like
6800 rpm, you said you finished in 4th?
do you have differant gear ratios? 4:36 or maybe 4:60?

[Potatoskins02]

finishing the 1/4 mile at the end of third gear is just about right. If his gearing was different the car probably wouldn't have the same KA transmission unless there is a difference in gearing from s13 to s14. If he had longer gearing though i would think he would be finishing the 1/4 mile in third. That is however something to wonder.

[BEISSEN]

I know that if you have got a 14.68 on a stock 240 well "i should get in the high 13's or even real high 12's witha real good launch" ahahahaha untill i see a slip YOU FULL OF SHIT.Until then your a lier imo.

[turbo240sx]

the trannie ratios are the same i was thinking rear end gearing

[Potatoskins02]

oh ok sorry for the misunderstandment........ then my answer would have to be 'I have no idea'

[xS1LV1Ax]

Man....14.68 Bone Stock. &nbsp;Hard to believe. &nbsp;I want to see that. &nbsp; You should show everyone that u are not messin around and join us tomorrow (10/25) at a little Track meet that we are trying to organize in MD. &nbsp;There should be a couple of 240's running. &nbsp;If you're in DE it can't be too far. &nbsp;It's right off of Route 50 in Crofton,MD. &nbsp;Well just check out the thread in the meets section "Short Notice Meet".

[Evil S14]

kouki i thought it was a 15.3? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;anyways i cross the finish in the beginning of fourth every time, are u guys just redlining the shit outta ur cars or do you have really tall gears?

[whateverjames]

he was powershifting it sounds like &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[sporty240sx]

Dude where in DE do you live? I live in Newark. I wanna check out your ride. I'm kinda wondering how the hell you got into the 14s with a stock 240.

[chinderer]

I beginning to think that it maybe was just a mistake, but i still have run MANY consistant 15.0-15.1 times, as illustrated in one of my old timeslips posted earlier from July. The gearing issue, what are you guys speeds @6500 in third. Mine is like 83 or 84, no way i can rev it through the quarter. &nbsp;Also, i haven't changed my timing chain yet, and i don't have LSD, for you guys that didn't read the whole thread.

[chinderer]

Oh, i live in Wyoming, DE. If you want to meet in Dover (my cruising area) then e-mail me @ [email protected] or notify me on here. &nbsp;There is definately a lack of 240's in Dover (only about 2 regulars) so a new race (maybe an SR20) would be great.

[DSC]

"i did disconnect the piping going to the airbox for the 14.68"

LOL <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':withstupid:'>

Sorry, I'm glad you got a great time and all, but I wouldn't do that on any car I liked.

[chinderer]

To the airbox (The pipes that go to the resonator box) not after, it was still being filtered. &nbsp;Adds a nice growl, even though i don't really feel a difference in power.

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chinderer @ Oct. 24 2002,01:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To the airbox (The pipes that go to the resonator box) not after, it was still being filtered. Adds a nice growl, even though i don't really feel a difference in power.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OHHHH OK, hehe <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

b4
http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/howtoupgrade/howtopics/resonator/intake3t.jpg

after
http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/howtoupgrade/howtopics/resonator/resonatorremovedt.jpg

I ripped everything outside the filter off...

[Potatoskins02]

i forgot s14's had airboxes like that....

[Tyler Durdan]

A little skeptical, but time slips take some skeptism away. &nbsp;Get a video next time you run...then no-one could deny the time.

[LoCo]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chinderer @ Oct. 24 2002,12:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It always turns out this way after racing and the questions like 'where's the nitrous?' come up, especially after racing 240's (i smoke every one of them).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You haven't raced ALL of them. &nbsp;I bet there are a few of them on this list that would smoke yours.

[camppain]

unless you rn that consistent i feel you are full of shit.

yes SHIT!

evils14 so that was you that ran that time. i remember that post, but im still suspect i would like to see a vid. also what do you runconsistently


<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/music.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':music:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/music.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':music:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh2:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/music.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':music:'>

[uiuc240]

With that trap speed, and assuming that his car weighs 2750 lbs, he would have to be making ~180 hp to do that. &nbsp;180!! &nbsp;Stock is rated at 155?! &nbsp;I know there are tolerances, but not an additional 25 hp. &nbsp;Maybe an additional 2.5, but not 25.

I call BS too.

Eric

[gabossie]

It's kind of sad how many people posted here just to call BS. Oh well, if you really run that, find out what the previous owner did, because I don't see that as possible stock. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'>

[S13Grl]

I'm with these guys: you're full of shit unless you provide pics of EVERYTHING, underneath the hood before anything else, and then a video clip of your car launching and crossing the line, the drag # visible, and then after that, a picture of the same time slip. Otherwise, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem true at all. These cars run 16.4 from the factory. You can't just shave off two seconds like that. Do you have any idea what two seconds is for a 3,000LB car??? That's about what, 75, 50 horses? Just about.

[S13Grl]

Wait, I gotta post this:

"One of our Admins: (1:57:34 PM): he was fred flinstoning it with his feet" - on the topic of a bone-stock 240 running 14s.

[chinderer]

LoCo, All the one's i have raced, thats only like 3 maybe four different ones; Dover sucks.

[SimpleS14]

I dunno man, I not calling BS, but something doesn't seem right about that. &nbsp;The previous owner must have done something to the car, such as engine work or weight reduction.

Good run BTW....sometimes I wish I had a 5 speed, more or less my car. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unhappy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':unhappy:'>

[Evil S14]

camppain: ive only actually hit 15.3 twice but i hit a 15.4 consistently, koukiS14 has the video so ull have to ask him, i can post a 15.3 timeslip if u want it too, but i usually get a 15.4 9 out of 10 times

[Jim96SC2]

Cam with a port and polish would do that. My friend shaved .5 seconds off his time after I ported his head. Cam would shave some more. Though I'd have to think that gearing is an issue. I'd have though you'd be in 3rd.

[Jeff240sx]

If he is running 14.68, which is a huge if, then he would be crossing at 93-96mph... I run 14.8 at 93ish... with my auto. &nbsp;Stock 240sx, running stock 15.8 should cross at like 86-88, which is at the very top of third.
But... I dunno. &nbsp;That time is fucked up. &nbsp;So is 15.0. &nbsp;For a COMPLETELY stock 240sx.
-Jeff

[esper]

Wow........ I guess.. &nbsp;But anyways off the topic from stock to MODED cars. &nbsp;What are ppl's best times with light to heavy modded ka24de's?? &nbsp;and are they running a a broad powerband?? &nbsp;also is it better to have the car driven to like 6000 RPM?? is it THAT much better than just shifting after 5200 RPM ??

[GamblerZ]

I definitely have to raise the BS flag on this one.

Let's look at some brief facts:

1. he has been a member here since July 2001 with only 80+ posts

2. he posts he has a sick fast 1/4 mile on a stock 240

3. he posts this revelation in October 2002, yet the alleged run was in July?

4. *his* timeslip mentions "HOTROD"

5. he posts a scanned timeslip that has the track name and date cut off at the top, yet shows the raggedy edge at the bottom

This is BS all the way!!! &nbsp;The scanned timeslip has been cropped to omit the track's name and date of the slip. &nbsp;This is a feeble attempt to substantiate an obvious lie.

If he wants to silence these BS claims, then he should have no problem running his stock 240 in front of credible zilvia.net members for authentication.

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GamblerZ @ Oct. 27 2002,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I definitely have to raise the BS flag on this one.

Let's look at some brief facts:

1. he has been a member here since July 2001 with only 80+ posts

2. he posts he has a sick fast 1/4 mile on a stock 240

3. he posts this revelation in October 2002, yet the alleged run was in July?

4. *his* timeslip mentions "HOTROD"

5. he posts a scanned timeslip that has the track name and date cut off at the top, yet shows the raggedy edge at the bottom

This is BS all the way!!! The scanned timeslip has been cropped to omit the track's name and date of the slip. This is a feeble attempt to substantiate an obvious lie.

If he wants to silence these BS claims, then he should have no problem running his stock 240 in front of credible zilvia.net members for authentication.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
here here! pip pip! righto! i agree and to the thread starter i give thee



http://212.212.159.196/camppain/imagesP/megarolleyes.gif

[Evil S14]

so am i legit yet
http://portfolio.iu.edu/jrjimene/240slip.gif
and KoukiS14 was there to witness a 15.4 run and see my stock airbox &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[Evil S14]

car # 120, and i got about 20 other timeslips with 15.4s if ya wanna scan camppain &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[transient]

Yeah, I think i'm going to have to call BS on this one too, mostly because his class is listed as a hotrod. It also doesn't help that he's cut off part of the slip though.

[KoukiS14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (camppain @ Oct. 24 2002,09:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">evils14 so that was you that ran that time. i remember that post, but im still suspect i would like to see a vid. also what do you runconsistently</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
He DID run that, I was there.. I made a vid of his famous run, but with my friend's cam... I need to get a copy of it. =) &nbsp;he's never online when I need to talk to him... &nbsp;

I even TOUCHED the REAL timeslip lol. . I feel kinda special =)

I remember how inspired I was. . lol he's the one that got me to almost decide to race my stock 97 with open diff, too lol


-Rob

[Potatoskins02]

sorry i'm sure you posted this timeslip somewhere but....... where's the 14.68 &nbsp;

what techniques are you using to in the quarter mile. I'd like to get my time anywhere close to yours being is that my 60' time is about the same.

[Evil S14]

maybe i should be a motivational speaker