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M3this
02-05-2008, 05:19 PM
This is a really random question as Im looking into building a project S13 and Im looking for a decent American made set of coilovers and aero parts. The only company I can think of for aero parts is JP Aero (although I think the parts are made over seas and shipped here). And for coilovers I know their is Megan and Ground Control. Anyone else have any thoughts?

My goal with the project is to build the car using the best American parts I can find. I know the whole JDM trend (and dont get me wrong I was a big JDM whore on my old Evo IX) but just wanted to change it up a bit. :)

Thanks!

kdashy
02-05-2008, 05:21 PM
Megan coilovers are made in america? Pretty sure they're not.

Maybe http://www.pdm-racing.com/ is what you're looking for.

M3this
02-05-2008, 05:24 PM
Megan coilovers are made in america? Pretty sure they're not.

They are an american company ... but I think your right they are built over seas :confused:

M3this
02-05-2008, 05:27 PM
Maybe http://www.pdm-racing.com/ is what you're looking for.

Thanks I'll look into them.

Any idea for aero parts? I know a lot of the aero parts are made overseas and a lot of the USDM companies parts fit like crap :-/

I know Full-Race makes parts performance wise ...but Im not too worried about performance parts as I think I have those covered.

atom
02-05-2008, 05:29 PM
Aero: None. At least none that looks good or isn't a copy of something Japanese.

Suspension: Koni/Ground Control is it I think. Everything else made for 240's is totally foreign.

eastcoastS14
02-05-2008, 05:32 PM
meh idk...i think jdm "craze" is only part of it, parts that come from japan are also high quality as well which is a big selling point. Not only that but unless you know specifically where they are made there is always a chance that the American company you are buying from could be outsourcing the production so you end up with shit made in china or korea instead of the US....if youre doing it just for the sake of using different brands that arent as commonly seen Id say its not worth it....people use a lot of japanese parts cause they are tried and true

ByeByeSti
02-05-2008, 05:40 PM
ehh, not a fan of amercian made... even though i live here and all... you have deep pockets go for something like hks if not go with megan.

LongGrain
02-05-2008, 05:42 PM
arent KTS coilovers american?

atom
02-05-2008, 05:44 PM
arent KTS coilovers american?

KTS is a shop in Japan, why would you ever think they are American? KTS coilovers are taiwanese/chinese by way of Japan.

Risu2112
02-05-2008, 05:45 PM
I second the koni/ground control combo for what you're looking for.

FaLKoN240
02-05-2008, 05:55 PM
Jesus christ so much FAIL in here.

There is one "American" aero company that made a body kit that comes to mind.

It's the Andy's Auto Sport Bloodline kit or whatever. It even uses stock chuki turn signals.

Making a car super JDM'd out is just as gay as making a car that is USDM'd out. Because for the most part USDM cars suck compared to their Japanese counterparts. We get all the dumbed down options, the shitty engine packages, and the lamest limited edition trims.

Sometimes it would seem, that Japan hates us.

ThatGuy
02-05-2008, 06:00 PM
"Bloodline" is just a knock-off of the J-Blood kit, with chuki signals.

You want American Aerodynamics for your car? Then throw a Cavalier bumper on it. Even the stock bumpers are made in Japan, so I guess your screwed.

If you're afraid of mark-ups then just wait until you find a deal. There are plenty of them out there, you just have to be patient.

ripnbst
02-05-2008, 06:04 PM
All this talk of american parts I hope you arent running an SR as your powerplant. You should stay KA to stay true to US availablity and build and boost that motor.

jonasblack
02-05-2008, 06:05 PM
isn't kaminari made in the USA?

Abstrak0ne
02-05-2008, 06:07 PM
ArizonaZcar has a coilover setup for the S13 but I don't know if its made in the US.

blitzkrgCT9A
02-05-2008, 06:08 PM
This is a really random question as Im looking into building a project S13 and Im looking for a decent American made set of coilovers and aero parts. The only company I can think of for aero parts is JP Aero (although I think the parts are made over seas and shipped here). And for coilovers I know their is Megan and Ground Control. Anyone else have any thoughts?

My goal with the project is to build the car using the best American parts I can find. I know the whole JDM trend (and dont get me wrong I was a big JDM whore on my old Evo IX) but just wanted to change it up a bit. :)

Thanks!

hahaha you are here too? ;)

its a Japanese car man.. gotta stay true to the roots when it comes to parts ;) unless you are getting some freebies from sponsorships then its all gravy!

CoasTek240
02-05-2008, 06:38 PM
instead of going American made. You should base your decision on the quality of the product, the price, and the product support here stateside.
There are plenty of foreign made products that have customer support stateside.
if you want help with where to look for quality parts and great service, look at our Zilvia.net advertisers.

Spl-parts, pdm-racing, enjuku, etc.
good luck

johngriff
02-05-2008, 06:47 PM
meh idk...i think jdm "craze" is only part of it, parts that come from japan are also high quality as well which is a big selling point. Not only that but unless you know specifically where they are made there is always a chance that the American company you are buying from could be outsourcing the production so you end up with shit made in china or korea instead of the US....if youre doing it just for the sake of using different brands that arent as commonly seen Id say its not worth it....people use a lot of japanese parts cause they are tried and true

Meh, those same ""JDM"" companies were outsourcing their parts before the US even thought about it.

jspec240
02-05-2008, 06:49 PM
Andys auto sport makes a kit. But like said before its pretty ghey!!

blitzkrgCT9A
02-05-2008, 06:51 PM
Meh, those same ""JDM"" companies were outsourcing their parts before the US even thought about it.

+1

AMPA Show in Taipei, Taiwan - 1st week of April Every Year;) Its like the SEMA but the show is all about manufacturing and outsouring. :aw: :coolugh:

sideview_180sx
02-05-2008, 06:56 PM
btw pdm isn't american its canadian.
suspension
-spl parts
-ground control/koni
tuning
-aem
aero
-xenon lip(not sure)
brakes
-wilwood
engine
-brian crower/crower
-full race

there you have your list. now go build a car with US-based companies and quit whining.

axiomatik
02-05-2008, 07:26 PM
I'll also add Battle Version to the list for suspension arms.

johngriff
02-05-2008, 07:35 PM
btw pdm isn't american its canadian.
suspension
-spl parts
-ground control/koni
tuning
-aem
aero
-xenon lip(not sure)
brakes
-wilwood
engine
-brian crower/crower
-full race

there you have your list. now go build a car with US-based companies and quit whining.

I'll also add Battle Version to the list for suspension arms.

What? American owned or American Made?

Because well... well well well...


:eek: 90% of the quoted is outsourced

PhilthyS13
02-05-2008, 07:38 PM
I thought PDM was Canadian.


Forget all american. Be unique and get all Aussie parts. Shipping will mean all parts will be ADM tyte.

jskateborders
02-05-2008, 07:57 PM
meh idk...i think jdm "craze" is only part of it, parts that come from japan are also high quality as well which is a big selling point. Not only that but unless you know specifically where they are made there is always a chance that the American company you are buying from could be outsourcing the production so you end up with shit made in china or korea instead of the US....if youre doing it just for the sake of using different brands that arent as commonly seen Id say its not worth it....people use a lot of japanese parts cause they are tried and true
american companies love child labor.
J/k
maybe.
But sum it up
240sx design = japanese
240sx aftermarket = japanese
mustang design = american
mustang aftermarket = american

From my end, its not a "jdm" thing, its knowing that there is far more out their from japanese companies for 240s with better quality design. If you can find good american made shit, then +1 for you, but it will be a challenge.
you dont see hks on mustangs do you?
well with the exeption of that one gtr with the rotary and pistons:bigok:

Adikt
02-05-2008, 08:29 PM
Energy Suspension bushigns

Zilvia4eva
02-05-2008, 09:04 PM
PDM= based in Canada

jrocslider
02-05-2008, 09:54 PM
i doubt you'll have luck with what you are looking for.

if theres a such thing as "american aero" its trash and looks horrible and really what american company does make a good set of coilovers that for the money could get you a great set of japanese ones. all "american" coilovers are just outsourced china shit anyways.


if its what you want good luck. i would try and help you with some helpful info but i really woudnt know anything about this subject. all i know is that companies like HKS, JIC, Vertex etc are popular companies because they make quality. what american company that has some focus on a 240SX comes to mind when you think of american quality?

DaPCWiz
02-05-2008, 10:03 PM
I thought stance coilovers were made in the US?

D1GP
02-05-2008, 10:07 PM
spc for suspension arms. an advertiser is running a special in advertiser specials section.

5t341tH
02-05-2008, 11:34 PM
like the guy above said. Arizona Z car makes coilovers for the s13. looks nice too

jrocslider
02-05-2008, 11:57 PM
arizonaZcar does not make the coilovers they sell

they outsource them from china like every other so called american brand

their was a thread on here last year about arizonaZcar coilovers and someone spoke to the guy who runs the place and he said it himself.


found the thread

Eh, I know probably none of you are still interested but Dave from Arizona Z car finally got back to me
"We have them made,
Absolutely no warranty of any kind.
I will have the dyno data in the near future.
Super High quality stuff , not the same junk the kids all buy.
Come with 6K & 8K springs
Dave"

Not real definitive, probably like everybody said cheap chinese crap. But at least its not the same junk all us kids buy!



so he didnt literally say it but basically what he meant was

"yeah i get them from taiwan"

johngriff
02-06-2008, 02:03 AM
Well guys.

You all, as a market force, demanded, ROCK BOTTOM PRICES.

This, is the outcome.

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

M3this
02-06-2008, 08:38 AM
All this talk of american parts I hope you arent running an SR as your powerplant. You should stay KA to stay true to US availablity and build and boost that motor.

Non of the above :)

Thanks guys for all the feed back .... I knew a ton of people wouldn't agree. I guess to have the car built with "true" "made in America" parts is going to be tuff. I might just have to go with USDM companies instead.

As for Aero ... I guess I might just get something from Japan any ways at the body of the car is already JDM ... lol

I'll enlighten everyone on the project once its a go.

HyperTek
02-06-2008, 01:08 PM
u gotta pay to play for quality stuff.

maybe he wants to try to support the local US companies..

anyways.. check this out..
I used to work at a bodykit company, and we had made a 1 off kit, influence was from the Ings rsx front *this is b4 thier 180sx kit came out*
we made this front bumper off my car, and then had it made.. Then what do you know.. someone freaking knocked it offf hahhaha
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/frpbodykits/nissan/a728.jpg

it wasnt anywhere near as good looking as a kit from japan.. it was only a front bumper lol

Im pretty sure these Nismo bumpers started out as mold copies of the s14 nismo, then someone modded it for s13, then someone else thought they would make thiers unique with the lip on the bottom,, then eventually peopel knocked it off as Nismo.. i mean look you got a fucking vent in the fender!! lol
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd211/frpbodykits/nissan/a4004_2.jpg

As much as i want a shot at the game to produce stuff and sell it,.. its freaking hard because theres someone whos gonna knock off your stuff and have it made at the lowest bidder and sell it cheaper then u.

muddafakka
02-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Not really a fan of the idea but there's always there's always Borla, Magnaflow, AEM, AutoMeter, DC, etc....I think. Not sure on all of those.

I don't really know if Borla and Magnaflow actually make products for 240s...I'm just going by what I've seen. For all I know it could have been custom.

You're better off pursuing this idea with a Honda. Honda has a ton of American aftermarket support. Jackson Racing, Edelbrock, the infamous APC, etc.

M3this
02-06-2008, 06:16 PM
Not really a fan of the idea but there's always there's always Borla, Magnaflow, AEM, AutoMeter, DC, etc....I think. Not sure on all of those.

I don't really know if Borla and Magnaflow actually make products for 240s...I'm just going by what I've seen. For all I know it could have been custom.

You're better off pursuing this idea with a Honda. Honda has a ton of American aftermarket support. Jackson Racing, Edelbrock, the infamous APC, etc.

I dont like Hondas and I really dont like FWD

FWD = FTL :down:

The project will be clean and well put together ... I know there will be more non-fans then fans of the project.

dragon_x330
02-07-2008, 10:27 AM
All this talk of american parts I hope you arent running an SR as your powerplant. You should stay KA to stay true to US availablity and build and boost that motor.

240SX KA24DE's are made in Japan. So they're JDM motors...technically.

The other KA24DE's were made in Mexico.

You wanna stay USDM swap a V8 into there.

'nuff said.

keioffice
02-07-2008, 11:04 AM
edited edit

atom
02-07-2008, 12:54 PM
Bilstein is German

steve shadows
02-07-2008, 01:08 PM
This is a really random question as Im looking into building a project S13 and Im looking for a decent American made set of coilovers and aero parts. The only company I can think of for aero parts is JP Aero (although I think the parts are made over seas and shipped here). And for coilovers I know their is Megan and Ground Control. Anyone else have any thoughts?

My goal with the project is to build the car using the best American parts I can find. I know the whole JDM trend (and dont get me wrong I was a big JDM whore on my old Evo IX) but just wanted to change it up a bit. :)

Thanks!

Whats wrong with Ground Control?

I mean the springs are technically German.

Then for shocks you could use Hotchkis or some others that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Or how about some Motons? :tweak:

If they are good for speed world challenge cars etc there are fine for you.

Addicted2Kouki
02-07-2008, 05:14 PM
If you really want to go all american built parts
and have some sort of anti japanese opinion towards jdm parts...

Go buy a mustang. There is SOOOOOOOOO much aftermarket support for it,
and most of the stuff people consider quality.. is american made.

Well, a lot of american brands are also outsourcing..
because of the bigger profit potential.

KA24DESOneThree
02-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Well guys.

You all, as a market force, demanded, ROCK BOTTOM PRICES.

This, is the outcome.

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Rock on.

I heard Peak Performance isn't even making 5-lug hubs anymore because no one was buying them.

SPL's tension rods and tie rod ends are American-made, but the rest of their stuff is from one of the Japanese companies that outsources their production as well.

The market is absolutely flooded with junk products and idiot sheeple are buying up every last Megan or TC Sportline or whatever product they can get their hands on.

Just because you can actually afford it does not mean you should buy it. I can afford three pounds of spoiled meat, but you can bet your ass I'm not going to buy it.

I am trying to find some decent, non-Chinese hubs in SoCal. Guess what? They don't exist for S13s. I've called everyone I know and there's NOTHING.

M3this
02-08-2008, 11:47 AM
If you really want to go all american built parts
and have some sort of anti japanese opinion towards jdm parts...

Go buy a mustang. There is SOOOOOOOOO much aftermarket support for it,
and most of the stuff people consider quality.. is american made.

Well, a lot of american brands are also outsourcing..
because of the bigger profit potential.

Im not anti-Japanese at all ... furtherest from it. My old Evo IX had some real rare ass JDM parts on it like Bridgestone NPG Zeromaster coilovers (yea I bet you didnt know bridgestone made coilovers did ya), Auto Produce BOSS cutsom ROM tune, Auto Produce BOSS ACD reflash, and so on.

Im all about Japanese cars and Japanese parts, but for my 240sx project I wanted to build it on a budget which got me looking at keeping the KA motor and building that, then I came across some info on how inexpensive it is to put a LS1 in the car, and how the LS1 and T56 are actually lighter then the KA. The LS1 idea got me thinking it might be fun to put togeather a all USDM S13 , and as I actually looked into it more I realized that parts are a LOT LESS EXPENSIVE then their JDM counterparts (makes sense thou ... no hassle with importing them, no currency exchange rates that flux, ect)

The car is going to be a track car, as I sold my Evo and got a new 335i and just dont really want to beat the 3series up on the track, where as building a 18 year old S13 into a track car, and putting the thing in the gravel or a wall wont be near as big of a deal.

M3this
02-08-2008, 11:51 AM
Whats wrong with Ground Control?

I mean the springs are technically German.

Then for shocks you could use Hotchkis or some others that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Or how about some Motons? :tweak:

If they are good for speed world challenge cars etc there are fine for you.

Nothing wrong with ground control ... just was wondering if there where more options.

By any chance do you know for sure they make a coilver set up for the 240? as when I was on their site they only show a spring/shock combo.

HyperTek
02-08-2008, 04:33 PM
Support your local companies and tuning shops!

splparts, battleversion

retailers phase2, enjuku and whoever slipped my mind etc etc

Just go with whatever parts work and get the job done.. If you have like a jdm show car theme, then stick with jdm parts.. if you dont care, then go for whoever has the best bang for the buck.

Full-Lock
02-08-2008, 04:37 PM
ams performance here in chicago makes some crazy parts..especially for KA guys.

M3this
02-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Support your local companies and tuning shops!

splparts, battleversion

retailers phase2, enjuku and whoever slipped my mind etc etc

Just go with whatever parts work and get the job done.. If you have like a jdm show car theme, then stick with jdm parts.. if you dont care, then go for whoever has the best bang for the buck.

Thanks all those places should have all the parts I need to complete the project Im looking at doing. :bigok:

hahaha you are here too? ;)

its a Japanese car man.. gotta stay true to the roots when it comes to parts ;) unless you are getting some freebies from sponsorships then its all gravy!

Yea Im every where ... lol

KA24DESOneThree
02-08-2008, 07:01 PM
By the way, the LS1 may be lighter and have a lower cG, but the 'box you're going to have behind it weighs nearly twice as much as the Nissan piece.

Unless, of course, you pony up for a Richmond road-race 5-speed.

The GC/Koni combo is springs, perches, and dampers, not just spring/damper.

Does Peak Performance even make S-chassis parts anymore?

ericcastro
02-08-2008, 07:35 PM
maybe I am hungry and grouchy for dinner, but.....
(yea I bet you didnt know bridgestone made coilovers did ya),
Surprised your rep isnt in the negative yet. kinda rude statement for a guy with 9 post. Don't underestimate the knowledge here on this forum ;)

The LS1 idea got me thinking it might be fun to put togeather a all USDM S13
Or a pain in the but. You are gonna kill yourself trying to find anything USDM for the car besides the engine. But good luck man.:x:


and as I actually looked into it more I realized that parts are a LOT LESS EXPENSIVE then their JDM counterparts (makes sense thou ... no hassle with importing them, no currency exchange rates that flux, ect)
Its the quality that is making them less expensive. And I would bet the parts that are a LOT LESS EXPENSIVE are from china. When America actually does quality, it'll cost ya.


got a new 335i and just dont really want to beat the 3series up on the track, because BMW isn't what it was in the mid 90's :bowrofl: j/k dude!, well, kinda....

M3this
02-08-2008, 08:34 PM
maybe I am hungry and grouchy for dinner, but.....

Surprised your rep isnt in the negative yet. kinda rude statement for a guy with 9 post. Don't underestimate the knowledge here on this forum ;)

Sorry if it came off rude as you cant tell a person's tone from reading text ... I didnt mean to under est the knowledge on here, but Im on several forums, and I know a handful of industry people and have yet to meet one except the person I got them from actually know that Bridgestone made NPG Zeromaster coilovers. If I came off rude please excuse me.

Or a pain in the but. You are gonna kill yourself trying to find anything USDM for the car besides the engine. But good luck man.:x:

There are a lot of good USDM companies that make a lot of good products, Im sure some are out sourced, which to me I dont care about, as the USDM thing would just be a theme for the car. Companies like Stop Tech, Simpson, Autometer, Full-Race, CCWheel, ect all make high quality products. My big concern was suspension and aero ... with aero I think Im shit out of luck and will have to buy something Japanese .. which is cool with me as the Japanese make the best looking aero.


Its the quality that is making them less expensive. And I would bet the parts that are a LOT LESS EXPENSIVE are from china. When America actually does quality, it'll cost ya.

Not entirly true .... Simpson Harness cost about $150 per seat, Takatas are like $400 per seat ... they are both FIA approved, so I dont think your really getting $300 more in quality.


because BMW isn't what it was in the mid 90's :bowrofl: j/k dude!, well, kinda....

My 3 series is still 50/50 weight distr. which a lot of other cars are not. It also comes with a factory TC I-6 that makes 275 whp in stock form, add a tune, downpipes, & intercooler and your breaking the 400whp mark. Sounds kind of like a supra huh?

M3this
02-08-2008, 08:37 PM
By the way, the LS1 may be lighter and have a lower cG, but the 'box you're going to have behind it weighs nearly twice as much as the Nissan piece.

Unless, of course, you pony up for a Richmond road-race 5-speed.

The GC/Koni combo is springs, perches, and dampers, not just spring/damper.

Does Peak Performance even make S-chassis parts anymore?

The guys I was talking too about the swap, that make the mounts and conversion parts said the engine& tranny weight in at 7-10lbs less then the KA&tranny it replaces. Even if the tranny is heavier at least its centering the weight a little more.:)


EDIT: BTW thanks for all the neg rep I have been getting from everyone ... Im up to -48points ... keep it coming .... LOL ...I knew 98% people would think the idea is lame, its too bad ths is my 1st thread on here as I dont think you would all hate on me as much if you knew how much Im all about serious mods and not crap. Anyone that was on EvoM could vouch for me and my old Evo.

johngriff
02-08-2008, 08:45 PM
By the way, the LS1 may be lighter and have a lower cG, but the 'box you're going to have behind it weighs nearly twice as much as the Nissan piece.

Unless, of course, you pony up for a Richmond road-race 5-speed.

The GC/Koni combo is springs, perches, and dampers, not just spring/damper.

Does Peak Performance even make S-chassis parts anymore?

http://www.peak-performance.net/content/category/8/107/58/


Hmm, maybe they haven't changed the site? I was actually looking at these instead of the ichiba junk in the next month or so...

Oh well..

ericcastro
02-08-2008, 09:18 PM
Not entirly true .... Simpson Harness cost about $150 per seat, Takatas are like $400 per seat ... they are both FIA approved, so I dont think your really getting $300 more in quality.

I did a quik search and couldn't find it. Simpson racing, or is it actually called Simpson Harness?? I would love some cheap seats with rails. Then I could get 2.

Not 2 b ricey. But If I am driving in a way that I need a seat and 5 point. Then my passenger should have one too :)

got a link to the seats??

KA24DESOneThree
02-08-2008, 10:25 PM
http://www.peak-performance.net/content/category/8/107/58/


Hmm, maybe they haven't changed the site? I was actually looking at these instead of the ichiba junk in the next month or so...

Oh well..

Griff, the last couple times I called up to order Peak hubs I was told they were discontinued. The race hubs are almost certainly discontinued, and the street hubs are unobtanium, at least for the S13... hence why I'm going through a Japanese channel so I can get my hands on quality hubs.

I seriously doubt an LSx/T56 combo is less than a KADE/Aisin combo, but I'm definitely willing to be proved wrong!

Matej
02-08-2008, 10:33 PM
This is a dumb idea idea in my opinion. Why not just get quality/good-looking parts, whether they're Japanese or American or from Taiwan. I know you want a "theme" for your car but it's not really worth it. Yes you can get some good American parts, such as Crower cams, but you can't really get everything, such as aero for example, well yes you can get aero but it looks like garbage, you'd just be sacrificing certain aspects of the car.

M3this
02-09-2008, 09:24 AM
I seriously doubt an LSx/T56 combo is less than a KADE/Aisin combo, but I'm definitely willing to be proved wrong!

http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/faqS14.htm

check out the first FAQ

The aluminum GM LS1 and LS6 engines are extremely light power plants. With the complete removal of the KA engine and transmission, the project car's final weight is less than the total gross vehicle weight of a stock Nissan 240SX. The LS1 T56 combo is 128 pounds lighter than the KA four cylinder it replaces.
The final weight of the car is listed below. The car weighed 2,742lbs with a full interior and atleast a 1/4 tank of gas. This results in a F/R ratio of 56%/44%.

LF: 737
RF: 815
Total Front: 1,552 lbs
LR: 620
RR: 570
Total Rear: 1,190 lbs



I was way off on the weight savings ... 128lbs!
:)

M3this
02-09-2008, 09:28 AM
This is a dumb idea idea in my opinion. Why not just get quality/good-looking parts, whether they're Japanese or American or from Taiwan. I know you want a "theme" for your car but it's not really worth it. Yes you can get some good American parts, such as Crower cams, but you can't really get everything, such as aero for example, well yes you can get aero but it looks like garbage, you'd just be sacrificing certain aspects of the car.

I get your point 100% ... I would never buy garbage to just buy it. I really do think with the exception of aero that I can build the car with quality parts from American companies .... Im sure some of the parts will be out sourced but at least Im supporting a American company that that has developed a high quality part. Whats wrong with support good old USA? :p

M3this
02-09-2008, 09:31 AM
I did a quik search and couldn't find it. Simpson racing, or is it actually called Simpson Harness?? I would love some cheap seats with rails. Then I could get 2.

Not 2 b ricey. But If I am driving in a way that I need a seat and 5 point. Then my passenger should have one too :)

got a link to the seats??

Oh I think you mis understood me ... Im talking about 5 point harnesses ... not the seats them selves.

KA24DESOneThree
02-09-2008, 09:47 AM
That actually doesn't say anything. It just says how much lighter the LS1/T56 is without any proof.

A KA24DE longblock with AC compressor, alternator, upper half of exhaust manifold and complete intake manifold is 371lbs, measured by a scale. I'll measure the Aisin tranny when I get home, but I doubt it's more than 80 pounds.

In contrast, the only information on LS1s I can find gives me a longblock weight of 388lbs or a fully dressed weight of 457-497lbs.

Again, feel free to prove me wrong because I'm also planning on an LSx swap eventually.

drift freaq
02-09-2008, 11:27 AM
Griff, the last couple times I called up to order Peak hubs I was told they were discontinued. The race hubs are almost certainly discontinued, and the street hubs are unobtanium, at least for the S13... hence why I'm going through a Japanese channel so I can get my hands on quality hubs.

I seriously doubt an LSx/T56 combo is less than a KADE/Aisin combo, but I'm definitely willing to be proved wrong!

Go with the Circuit sport 5 lug conversion hubs. They are like a in house brand for Phase2 and Wayne has worked with them closely to make sure they are good.

McRussellPants
02-10-2008, 01:35 AM
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/faqS14.htm

check out the first FAQ




I was way off on the weight savings ... 128lbs!
:)

Its called lying.

LS1 swap is heavier with out a T5 in a mag housing, by a long shot. I've seen the scales from cars with this swap.

I know people sponsored by Hinson that have sent their Hinson shit back because it sucked so bad by the way.

johngriff
02-10-2008, 10:04 AM
Yeah, 2750 is pretty heaving for a "racing geared" s-chassis.

Back in 2003, 2750 was the target weight steve's car had to be for rwd 4cyl +1 (power adder), so WITH STEVE, and HALF A TANK OF GAS, We had to add 200LBS of weights.

So yeah, 2750 is pretty heavy.

KA24DESOneThree
02-10-2008, 06:33 PM
Go with the Circuit sport 5 lug conversion hubs. They are like a in house brand for Phase2 and Wayne has worked with them closely to make sure they are good.

I've tried to get in touch with them a few times and I can't, so screw 'em.

mistah_240sx
02-10-2008, 08:15 PM
spl is american build part that do some good stuff!

M3this
02-12-2008, 10:38 PM
Its called lying.

LS1 swap is heavier with out a T5 in a mag housing, by a long shot. I've seen the scales from cars with this swap.

I know people sponsored by Hinson that have sent their Hinson shit back because it sucked so bad by the way.

You got me double checking my numbers :)

Here is what I have found ....

KA Weights in around 368+ lbs with out tranny or flywheel, the SR20 without tranny weights in at 328lbs no tranny and with tranny 490lbs. Simple math tells us the KA weights 40lb more or more (368-328 = 40) So add those 40lbs to the SR weight with tranny and you get 540lbs.

Here are links

http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2082

This one shows the KA without tranny and flywheel at 371lbs

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/299879

Several sources (LS1Tech and HybridZ) stated that the LS1 with Manuel Trans weight in at 497lbs

http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?p=853334

so its nots 128 like Hinson super cars says but its close to the same or maybe a few lbs less.

I also looked into what you said about Hinson and it seems like it has merit. Thanks for the heads up :bigok:

EDIT:

The more I keep looking into it the more Im unsure .... its close but it may be heavier with the T56

The T56 weights an average of 130lbs according to all the guys on LS1Tech ... The LS1 fully dressed they are saying is in the 400-430 range ... Hot Rod mag said 430lbs. So 430 + 130 = 560lbs ... which is 20lbs more then the KA combo I came up with above.

veilside180sx
02-12-2008, 11:14 PM
SPL more and more are made in the states, but early stuff was JDM imports.
Brian Crower is definately not manufactured in the US.
Koni is manufactured in Holland

Pretty much every part is manufactured out of the states for most companies. In the end, it's the quality of the part you should be concerned with, and the company that backs it.

btw pdm isn't american its canadian.
suspension
-spl parts
-ground control/koni
tuning
-aem
aero
-xenon lip(not sure)
brakes
-wilwood
engine
-brian crower/crower
-full race

there you have your list. now go build a car with US-based companies and quit whining.

jrocslider
02-12-2008, 11:27 PM
Japanese coilovers are shit, but most of the american companys that make good coilovers dont offer them for 240's, damn i wish they made bilstiens for my s14!

i would love it if you proved me wrong. and i like how you assumed Bilsteins are american... you cant even spell it.

rhs13
02-12-2008, 11:29 PM
USA. "hecho en China"