Wish me luck, gonna convert to Honda ecu.

[MegasquirtCA]

Soo my best friend who is my tuner threw out the idea of converting my CA to be run off a Honda ecu, ignition and harness.
So im like why the **** not, theirs soo much aftermarket tuning support for hondas.
Anyways the main concern I had was how am I gonna mount the Honda Distributor to the camshaft.
Well some of the honda distributors are actually very simple. Take a look at the ends.
http://www.qualitycustomparts.com/images/Dist%202%20lrg.jpg
http://www.qualitycustomparts.com/images/Dist%205%20lrg.jpg
http://www.bba-reman.com/images/td42u.jpg

Soo one way I thought about doing it is by making a adaptor on the cam gear where the 4 bolts are and weld a female end to the adaptor, maybe have it professional milled through a friend.
Heres what im talkin about.
[http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii271/pumaallstar/CA18DET/honda.jpg

The rest is simple stuff like wiring, adding Honda sensors etc etc.
Now your probably thinking why switch over. Well why not they are great systems and with Neptune its insane. Also I havent seen it done in the Nissan community, Toyota community do it quite a bit. Plus I love pushing myself to do new things.
Now dont get me wrong their is nothing wrong with Megasquirt, I love the damn thing couldnt be happier with it, its just I like to try new things see if it can be done maybe give someone new hope to give it a shot. Look at when I did megasquirt it was practically unheard of in the CA community and because of my help and write up its becoming insanely popular. Plus im thinking converting to Honda stuff will cost less than megasquirt too. The ecu can be had for about $17-$50, a harness about $30-$50 as well, sensors for about $50, than its pick your tuning software. I will be going with Neptune and is $100 license fee but unlimited tunes afterwards.

If successful expect a full write up with tons of pics.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Wow Gluck and +1 for yiou test piloting this set up.

[MegasquirtCA]

Hopefully everything I learned from doing Megasquirt will make things easier as well.

[sr20boostn20]

aem just came out with a coil on plug system for hondas.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2174199

maby you could get real crazy switch over to honda then aem cdi

[Sir]

Good luck with that.

[hustlervibes]

Should be an interesting setup to say the least.

[johngriff]

Seems like an S(*# Ton of work for what payoff I cannot see.

Convert to map?

[steve shadows]

what the fuck is the point?

You want a propper map based fully tunable system?

wow people will go out of their way to avoid doing something right.

I havent even gotten close to tapping the potential of the E8 I have and ive nearly maxed out my setup on 91 octane.

Haltech is plug and play works the same way a oem ecu reads crank trigger via stock crank trigger, and if you get the E11 you can run a v12 formula car off one if you wanted.

Good luck in the frontier of money burning.

Are you an engineering major? is this a project?

this is just insane and pointless imo.

[MegasquirtCA]

Seems like an S(*# Ton of work for what payoff I cannot see.

Convert to map?


Well I dont see how its a lot of work, definatly a lot less work than Megasquirt and that shits easy.

I already have a MAP based system so obviously its not for that reason.

[Addicted2Kouki]

So I think the question is...


Why? Actual benefits?

[MegasquirtCA]

what the fuck is the point?


Whats the point? why not try something new. Its no different than somebody saying oh hey lets try to do this swap.


You want a propper map based fully tunable system?


Already have one.


wow people will go out of their way to avoid doing something right.


Who are you to question my projects if what im doing is right. Let me guess doing it right is buying a haltech system off you or john? Unless you yourself attempted this same project you have no right to tell me its wrong or right.


I havent even gotten close to tapping the potential of the E8 I have and ive nearly maxed out my setup on 91 octane.

Haltech is plug and play works the same way a oem ecu reads crank trigger via stock crank trigger, and if you get the E11 you can run a v12 formula car off one if you wanted.


This means nothing to me, thats great that Haltech has a plug in play system, guess what so does AEM but the plug in play system is worthless to me as I dont have OEM wiring and ignition. As for bring up V12 who here has a v12, MS can do up to 16 cylinders but that wasnt even the reason why I got it.



Good luck in the frontier of money burning.


This is the type of stuff that discourages people from trying new things. And how do you know its gonna burn money, my friend specializes in hondas so he has the stuff lying around. Its one of the main reasons I want to give it a shot and if successful will be a cheap alternative.


Are you an engineering major? is this a project?

this is just insane and pointless imo.

Yes this is a project and no im not an engineering major, Im just looking to try new things, we dont move forward without trying new things.

This is no different than someone switching to Haltech, Megasquirt, AEM, SDS, etc etc

Just because I dont do it the way you would do things doesnt make it wrong.


But its ok Steve I got the same type of shit when I first started my megasquirt quest and it took me completing it and getting it running to convince the nay sayers that it was an option.

[alindeman1989]

thats original, keep us updated.

[MegasquirtCA]

Definatly will do updates and take shitloads of pictures.

Im quite impressed with the drawing I made, I did that shit with MS Paint.

[statik]

I don't get it. But if you are doing it just because you want something to do (a project) thats cool, good luck.

[MegasquirtCA]

I got to check out some of the tuning software such as Chrome, Neptune, Hondata and they have a lot of amazing features, good size maps like 24x24.

Its OEM parts, parts are cheap to replace, and its already cheap. Im guesstimating around $200-$300 to get it all together and running. Im gonna be using Neptune some of the cool features will be stuff like preset boost limits for certain gears, PWM boost control, launch control, antilag etc etc.

[Jus Skott]

maybe contact blake. "person that wrote uber data" and see if he can help ya in anyway. he did re write it to run his VGs one NA and the other TT. jut a thought.
~skott

[blu808]

Cool project.

I have often thought of trying to convert a ls1 ecu and harness to run a sr20det, rb, whatever. If you have every tuned any ls car with hp tuners, ls1 edit, ect. You buy the software. Plug it in, and you have a full standalone.

It even lets you convert voltage spreads to run different senders, and lets you run either speed density, or maf tunes.

Keep us posted.

[S14DB]

At the end of the day wouldn't it be cheaper to convert to a standalone(AEM,Haltech)? Or are you going for the "look at me I did something complex and pointless" factor?

[exitsine]

At the end of the day wouldn't it be cheaper to convert to a standalone(AEM,Haltech)? Or are you going for the "look at me I did something complex and pointless" factor?


just read what he wrote, he has answered that maybe 3 times.

[MegasquirtCA]

Cool project.

I have often thought of trying to convert a ls1 ecu and harness to run a sr20det, rb, whatever. If you have every tuned any ls car with hp tuners, ls1 edit, ect. You buy the software. Plug it in, and you have a full standalone.

It even lets you convert voltage spreads to run different senders, and lets you run either speed density, or maf tunes.

Keep us posted.


Exactly Luke, my brother has a LS6 FC and he uses EFI Live with his GM pcm and I was blown at how much control it gives you just by using software. Thats whats great about Honda ecu's too you pretty much turned them in standalones when using those tuning softwares.

S14DB

No it wouldnt be cheaper, like I said it will probaly cost around $300 for everything, probably less.

Haltech and AEM are like what $1100-$1800?

I've seen reports on people using GM pcm with 240's didnt see any bitching their.

[DMiller]

Sounds like an um... interesting project. I will be interesting to know how it comes out and its practicality for lower budget people. Cool project.

I have often thought of trying to convert a ls1 ecu and harness to run a sr20det, rb, whatever. If you have every tuned any ls car with hp tuners, ls1 edit, ect. You buy the software. Plug it in, and you have a full standalone.

It even lets you convert voltage spreads to run different senders, and lets you run either speed density, or maf tunes.

Keep us posted.

do that to a single cam ka and you will have my order!

[chibo]

I've been slowly reading in to this over the past few months - I'm subscribing to this thread.

[MegasquirtCA]

When I first did my swap, I was gonna experiment with Honda ecu's but I fell in love with Megasquirt. And because of MS I have better understanding of ecu's ignition systems that im confident enough to implement this.

The ONLY bad side is that the distributor wont be eye pleasing as it will be sticking in front of the engine.

[blu808]

why not convert to a crank trigger system?
I know hondas run a dizzy, but if you could somehow convert it to read the cas signal, or a crank trigger you would be in business.

[bongnak]

good job, i think im going to do this too for the fuck of it...

Oh and to make it easy why don't you just find an old honda cam shaft and cut the end off where the dizzy slips into and weld it onto the nissan camshaft. This way you can cut it how ever long you want and have it our far enought to mount the dizzy.

oh and theres a ae86 4ag with hondata out there, forgot the name of the company who did it...

[MegasquirtCA]

why not convert to a crank trigger system?
I know hondas run a dizzy, but if you could somehow convert it to read the cas signal, or a crank trigger you would be in business.

What Megasquirt? I did convert to a crank trigger system. I'm running a FORD EDIS-4 ignition system.

I made a write up 2yrs ago

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/164446


This is what my setup looks like

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii271/pumaallstar/CA18DET/DSCF0078.jpg

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii271/pumaallstar/CA18DET/DSCF0015.jpg

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/4206/DSCF25.jpg




I'm really doing this too see if it can be done which I dont see why not and whats it take to do their.

[blu808]

no with the honda ecu.

not megapoo

[chibo]

Oh and to make it easy why don't you just find an old honda cam shaft and cut the end off where the dizzy slips into and weld it onto the nissan camshaftJust off the top of my head, this seems like it would lead to heavy vibes as the cams spun faster and faster.

[sillyvia13]

mad props bro...
Think outside the box...
Don't let haters get you down, use it as fuel for the project...

I like junkyard /lowbudget builds, just goes to show what you can do when you really WANT something...

[kouki_style]

good luck.......

[blueshark123]

Great shit man i got to give u props on trying this i love how easy it is to tune my brothers car with hondata kpro. gl

[MegasquirtCA]

Thanks guys I appreciate all the positive support, makes me want to start on this ASAP. What Im gonna try to do is work on the Distributor part first this week or next week. My friend has a distributor lying around on my days off I can start mocking things up. If I can make the distributor adaptor work with nothing scraping/rubbing and turns smoothly than I KNOW we can get the sucker running b/c thats probably the BIGGEST hurdle.

[johngriff]

Lukes right.

Why the hell use honda ecu?

Use the GM setup, that makes 10000 more sense.

The other thing about there being "tons of support"

You really just need to tune the car correctly, without stuff breaking, to make reliable power when running. Were you not able to do this with the megasquirt?

[MegasquirtCA]

Lukes right.

Why the hell use honda ecu?

Use the GM setup, that makes 10000 more sense.

The other thing about there being "tons of support"

You really just need to tune the car correctly, without stuff breaking, to make reliable power when running. Were you not able to do this with the megasquirt?


Well for one if I use the GM setup the price for that will be nearing $1000.
The tuning applications I looked at such as HPTuners, EFI Live start at like $500, plus you need PCM, harness, according sensors.

Also we have the honda stuff laying around so theirs no startup cost other than adaptor fabrication.


If you read the thread you'll notice I said that megasquirt is fine been running it for 2 years now, this is just something I wanted to do before I did MS but I did MS instead.

[MegasquirtCA]

Lukes right.

Why the hell use honda ecu?

Use the GM setup, that makes 10000 more sense.

The other thing about there being "tons of support"

You really just need to tune the car correctly, without stuff breaking, to make reliable power when running. Were you not able to do this with the megasquirt?

This is not julian

Whats wrong with a honda ECU? Maybe you do not know what you are talking about. It does not matter the ecu. GM setup would not be 1000 better. Considering I tune both ;)

You will have to talk to julian about megasquirt. I have been bugging him for months to tune it. The honda ecu will be cheaper then MS and have more options.

If you want to check out the software we will be using, you can see it here: http://www.hrtuning.com/pages/category/neptune/

[Neejay]

lol

I don't understand...if the guy can do it for cheap and has the resources/help, what's all the fuss about?

I don't understand getting frustrated/mad over something that doesn't effect you. Am I missing something?

[bongnak]

what obd is the gm setup? or does it not matter?
i like the honda idea because it's extremely simple and effective. With an emulator tuning would be a breeze.
- idle control is coolant dependant, not electrical so no worrying/wiring there.
- the only thing i dislike is that you wouldn't be able to use external coils easily

[MegasquirtCA]

- idle control is coolant dependant, not electrical so no worrying/wiring there.
- the only thing i dislike is that you wouldn't be able to use external coils easily

It will be running a IACV, so it wil be control by the ECU. You are thinking of the fast idle vavle.

External coils are cake. I have made 650whp on stock honda ignition. I doubt a T28 will make that much :)

[bongnak]

It will be running a IACV, so it wil be control by the ECU. You are thinking of the fast idle vavle.

External coils are cake. I have made 650whp on stock honda ignition. I doubt a T28 will make that much :)

hahah youre right wasnt thinking right it's been a while, 650 :hsdance:
what coil setup was it? an external msd type thing?
this is gonna be fun

[MegasquirtCA]

Nope, Stock internal honda coil, ignitor, distributor, cap, rotor, everything. You could add a external coil (MSD or Honda). I do not think it is needed :)

[MELLO*SOS]

Cool project! Should be "fun" getting it going... In a DIY sense of the word "fun" lol.

Does the honda just use a regular external coil and distributor, or is it a special kind of distributor with a built in ignitor/coil? I see the plug on it so I assume it doubles as a CAS (like the KA dist).

Update the thread as you go, I'd like to follow your progress.

[MegasquirtCA]

All the position sensors are inside the distributor. I am not sure what distributor we are going to run, but it can be a external or internal. Both distributors have the ignitor inside.

It should be fun.

[picho]

dam hands down goodluck man

[steve shadows]

This is the type of stuff that discourages people from trying new things. And how do you know its gonna burn money, my friend specializes in hondas so he has the stuff lying around. Its one of the main reasons I want to give it a shot and if successful will be a cheap alternative.

Yes for good reason to help you. Thats what the forum is for. Honda made that system for it's economy cars. You want to take a superior nissan DIS system throw it out the fucking window and go on a custom fabrication rampage. Why not just put a FR mounted S2000 motor, if your so hell bent on using the INFERIOR honda ignition system? Ive pushed C18 and SR DIS past 420-480 whp personally with no hints of misfire. I Know that it can take more, Nissan designed it from the factory to be ready for JGTC and any thing else frankly

Yes this is a project and no im not an engineering major, Im just looking to try new things, we dont move forward without trying new things.

This is no different than someone switching to Haltech, Megasquirt, AEM, SDS, etc etc

No your right this is like blowing your foot off with an M80 insted of eating a steak

Just because I dont do it the way you would do things doesnt make it wrong.

You mean Just because you want to something completely pointless doesnt make it wrong. Well it does. It's completely pointless.

But its ok Steve I got the same type of shit when I first started my megasquirt quest and it took me completing it and getting it running to convince the nay sayers that it was an option.



Right and megasquirt sucks too, If it didnt you wouldnt be at the cross roads of "oh man I better grapht over the entire ignition and electronics/ems system from ANOTHER FUCING manufacturer"

Honda already made it on their car, the research has been done the verdict is in and it works! Honda's engineers made a great system for Honda.

This would be like going through the effort of putting in a weaker ford crankshaft and going out of your way to do it to prove (what point?) I don't know.

Just buy the propper EMS and start tuning your car already.

Tell me exactly how the cost/benefit analysis of this transpired in your head?

Look I honestly commend your insanity and resourcefullness but just remeber McGuiver has been scratched from prime time.

It just drives up shits creek (not really but internet wise) that people who want to "race" their car cant pay about 2-400 bucks more for a read standalone system that has support, history in racing and ease of setup, + warrenty and is a long term investment that in most cases can be swapped from car to car, depending on future projects.

Get out there and race already FACK!

Your decisions are like paradoxical beach balls bouncing in my head now.

[S14DB]

Why didn't you program the CA ECU to begin with?

[johngriff]

I already asked him this about 900 threads ago.

Apparently there is something monstrously wrong with the CA Cas that I have yet to experience. With his advice I picked up two more cas's at the junkyard for $10 each, and have been waiting for something to happen.

[KiLLeR2001]

What's this crap. Keep everything Nissan or GTFO! Puma stop wasting time and go powdercoat something. :)

[MegasquirtCA]

Why didn't you program the CA ECU to begin with?

It just plain sucks, the coils overheat, the cas breaks too many times, little to no aftermarket support.

[jt1583]

Honda already made it on their car, the research has been done the verdict is in and it works! Honda's engineers made a great system for Honda.

This would be like going through the effort of putting in a weaker ford crankshaft and going out of your way to do it to prove (what point?) I don't know.

Just buy the propper EMS and start tuning your car already.

Tell me exactly how the cost/benefit analysis of this transpired in your head?

Look I honestly commend your insanity and resourcefullness but just remeber McGuiver has been scratched from prime time.

It just drives up shits creek (not really but internet wise) that people who want to "race" their car cant pay about 2-400 bucks more for a read standalone system that has support, history in racing and ease of setup, + warrenty and is a long term investment that in most cases can be swapped from car to car, depending on future projects.



hah man it almost hurts to read what you write. I have read atleast 5 different points of your's that single handedly discourage ingenuity and preach conformity.

You sound like a communist and if you did actually have the opportunity to run a society, there's no doubt it would be stuck in the stone age. If you think there's only one right way to do things, you have a lot to learn.

Your comment on the Honda engineers making a great system for honda makes you sound like you drive a honda. It's still just an engine, the aspects it has that make "it work!" can be applied to other engines as well.

Lastly, to actually contribute something useful so the OP doesn't have to say again, he can get the stuff for < $300, and has access to machinists and honda friends. He's got the cost portion down, if he can make reliable power that matches or surpasses other standalones then I'd say his cost/benefit analysis was done quite well.

[steve shadows]

The OP is useless to begin with.

Why bother contributing to it?

Your above comment just exemplifies redundancy of all of this. Redundancy equals failure to operate your life efficiently. At least in most cases, there is not need for such a contingency on something already properly engineered. It's like getting the contract for the F15 with Pratt and Whitney engines, and switching to Rolls Royce right before going to market. Total FIAL

Communist? Communism was the critique of an existing capitalist system that offered a competitive advantage to those to analyzed the cost benefit process properly to come to a marketable conclusion that could be brought to market furthering the utility of man.

Communism was critique that tryed to create a ass backward pitch patch of other philosophies to counter an already existing perfect system.

So your a fucking communist. :)

Look Michelin already tried to re-invent the wheel...it turned out? well fucking horribly, talk about a waste of a firms time which = money.

Time = Money

you are wasting your time bastardizing your car with pretty half hearted excuses for why OEM equipment fails in the first place.

Case Dismissed

FACK THIS IS FUN, MARIA THE EXCITMENT HAS ME EYEING THE INTERNS AGAIN< GET THEM OUT OF THE OFFICE >

[opponheimer]

what the fuck is the point?

You want a propper map based fully tunable system?

wow people will go out of their way to avoid doing something right.

I havent even gotten close to tapping the potential of the E8 I have and ive nearly maxed out my setup on 91 octane.

Haltech is plug and play works the same way a oem ecu reads crank trigger via stock crank trigger, and if you get the E11 you can run a v12 formula car off one if you wanted.

Good luck in the frontier of money burning.

Are you an engineering major? is this a project?

this is just insane and pointless imo.

I second this post haha..

[steve shadows]

It just plain sucks, the coils overheat, the cas breaks too many times, little to no aftermarket support.

There is no Nissan part that will solve this problem?

Why don't you switch to ford? with mechanical fuel pump and single cap and rotor ignition that is even "easier" to tune than Honda.

[MELLO*SOS]

I find it funny how much it matters to some people what some random guy on the internet does with his time and money..... Are you his wife? Financial advisor? Manager? LOL... Just because you don't want to be bothered with it or can think a more simple/expensive solution doesn't entitle you to bash the guy for doing something... shall we say, "unique". Fuck just let him do what he wants, and prove to us that either A) The honda setup sucks and has just as many problems as the CA/Nissan/MS setup or B) This setup was cheap and effective for him. Either way, none of us are out anything by him taking the time or spending the money to do this. We can follow his progress, and laugh at his mistakes or learn from his experiences... Who fuckin cares...

I don't understand it either why he doesn't just perfect his CA/MS tune, but maybe he's bored and looking for another project. Who knows.

And you know it could be worse... At least this isn't another thread about how to bleed the cooling system on a KA or asking if some 17x7 +35s will require a pull & roll LOL ... No offense to you guys bashing the guy, but it's obvious he doesn't care what you have to say and your posts are unlikely to change his mind.

[MegasquirtCA]

Half hearted huh yea bro thats why im constantly seeing threads on how the moon shaped key broke off, that the coils are constantly overheating causing misfire even when they are brand new. Its 1 thing if it was a case here and their but this shit is WORLDWIDE.

Megasquirt does suck thats why Parish went from EFI Live to Megasquirt
http://diyautotune.com/cars/customer/parish_turbo_truck.htm He could of kept that GM system but went to a shitty inferior standalone.

Dont go putting words into peoples mouthes just because you cant read. I've said a bunch of times and I'll say it again, I'm not doing this because you think im having issues with MS, im doing it for the fun of it and if successful a way for others to achieve the same results.

[S14DB]

It just plain sucks, the coils overheat, the cas breaks too many times, little to no aftermarket support.

I have only seen one Coil go out. Seen more SR coils go out then CA.

Never seen a CAS break unless it was in shipping.

I have about 15 CA ROMs on the shelf and a ROM burner. It's just like tuning and burning any other Nissan ecu. It's easier that an SR or DOHC KA. Like the SOHC one ROM to burn no splitting across chips.

CA ROM tuning is a cakewalk compared to the SR IMHO. Only problems I have seen is with finding CA mechanical parts not engine control parts.

[johngriff]

even if the key breaks, the cas is still fine.

I have put together a bunch of rb's and ca's that had broken keys. Its not a big deal.

Haven't had any problems with coils.

You could retune for different coils with a ca ecu based rom tune.

BUT PLEASE SHOW EVERYONE HOW SUPER THIS WILL BE, I WILL ONCE AGAIN BE BLINDED AT THE MIGHT OF A HONDA DISTRIBUTOR ON A 1.8 L

[chibo]

Why bother contributing to it?

Why bother shitting on the thread then? You have some good knowledge but you shit on things too often around here, I have no idea how people let it go by. Move on to the next thread.
MSCA, have you thought about posting this over at FA?
Why didn't you program the CA ECU to begin with?
Do they really have the support behind them that Honda ECUs have? I've honestly never bothered to look.

[bejota180sx]

wow good luck with the insane project, it sounds crazy but if it works out well yeah you have a kickass project under your arms hahahaha

[MegasquirtCA]

I just want to thank everyone for their support, I received pm's, instant messages, and rep praising me on taking on this challenge.

I've collaborated with several people, even the creator of Neptune. To see what issues might pop up. The biggest issues were mounting the distributor, and the speedo.

The speedo may be taken care of by using a signal converter board that the Neptune designer will proably make for me to use. When we get to that point we'll investigate.

But I'll pretty much start off with a harness already I believe off a EG or EK, than remove what we dont need.

Anyways as I was researching on the capabilities of the Honda stock ignition see what limit it can go. Supposedly somebody dynoed 731whp but I cant find a dyno sheet on that.

Another one I found was a 1.6L Del Sol with a t3/t67 did 615whp

Heres a link
http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?p=15533#15533

15psi on 93 Octane

http://www.dynos.evans-tuning.com/jdmturbosol400whp.jpg


30psi

http://www.dynos.evans-tuning.com/jdmturbosol615whp.jpg

[blu808]

Mad props on making that power with a honda engine.

But it looks kinda funny to me. I am used to dyno printouts curves that are more like a square than a ramp.

[MegasquirtCA]

BUT PLEASE SHOW EVERYONE HOW SUPER THIS WILL BE, I WILL ONCE AGAIN BE BLINDED AT THE MIGHT OF A HONDA DISTRIBUTOR ON A 1.8 L

This is not julian

Actually the distributor will be off of a 1.5l, that make it worse?

It is just sad some people in this thread. Seems like you have a hate for honda for some reason. I guess I would be pissed if I dumped money in a JDM nissan shitbox just to have it break on me or buy a $1300 stand alone just to have it get shit on by a stock honda ECU.

Oh well, People have to hate for a reason, huh?

[MegasquirtCA]

Anyways as I was researching on the capabilities of the Honda stock ignition see what limit it can go. Supposedly somebody dynoed 731whp but I cant find a dyno sheet on that.

Actually it is 830whp. But who is counting?

[MegasquirtCA]

Well the turbo im gonna be running isnt that enormous, I have a GTi-R T28 I assume it will be closer to this.

A guy on the CA forum had a S15 BB Turbo and he got this from a Norsham chip.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/LVSBB6/DSC05164.jpg

[steve shadows]

Just buy a fucking honda

How much will this be costing you in time not just outright cash?

Ill be waiting to see how much a dismal failure this is.

In regards to my posting on FA? I didnt notice he posted this topic on FA, but when I get around to it Ill flame the shit out of it on there too.

Seriously why not buy a used s2000? They are great cars?

It's like everyone who jumped on the 240sx bandwagon in 04 and sold their civic, is trying to get back to civic land, but have a cheap rwd chasis.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that most of the poeple in this thread talked shit on nissans until the honda fad was so dead they had to buy a 240sx.

Please Megasquirt, tell me why an EMS is not better than this?

In regards to this being "better" than a 1300 $ real EMS, you can find a power fc for the CA on ebay or a JDM junkyard dist for aroun 600 bucks, plug and play and it gives you a hand job while you are setting it.

So far in this thread we have proven through our own west coater personal experiene that:

-Nissan Ignition on the CA/RB does not fail as you say it does
-Broken keys do not effect the trigger read out of the crank locality
-The crank trigger and independent igniter system is SUPERIOR to the classic distributor/single igniter Honda system
-There is no point to this besides being able to use the Honda dist
-The Nissan trigger in oem form reads the rotation of the crankshaft in smaller intervals than the Honda one does (this means MORE tune ability)
-PFC is 20/20 table, Haltech is 32/32 and soon to be even higher resolution. + you get 26 different correction maps, bar correction, air temp, and integrated closed loop everything if you want it (included boost control for like 90 buck solenoid). I mean at least get a microtech.
-LS1 Coil setup is far superior to this even while retaining 100% oem Nissan CAS

730 hp? Great I know oem nissan igniton can do that too and on a load bearing brake eddy dyno. and not just for a peak number at 9k.

I'm going to leave this thread now, ill come back when you have finished this and have dyno videos of the new honda setup and the car and proof that it is superior. thanks

[S14DB]

Do they really have the support behind them that Honda ECUs have? I've honestly never bothered to look.

I dunno all the set ups there are like nistune and romulator. This is what I use,
http://www.sr20tuning.com/theoryandpartsrequired.html

[bongnak]

steve shadows<---wow, are you trying to sell something? what are you so afraid of?

-your comment: "In regards to my posting on FA? I didnt notice he posted this topic on FA, but when I get around to it Ill flame the shit out of it on there too.", thats very mature buddy. This comment lead me to believe that its not a matter of expressing pros and cons, but more of you just "flamming" him/others. Not a very good idea to do so, esp on a public forum where possible customers are lurking.

[steve shadows]

I just exposed the cons? did you read my post?

All I sell is my services. He's not even local so no, It would be impossible that I would be selling anything.

There is no pro to this. Literally. I can't think of a single one.

its bulleted and outlined in my last post

do you want me to draw pictures? well too bad im frying eggs.

look the title of the thread is: wish me luck, Im going to shave my pubes with a chain saw.

Im just giving my honest angry opinion, hopefully to help the guy in the end.

[MegasquirtCA]

-Nissan Ignition on the CA/RB does not fail as you say it does
-Broken keys do not effect the trigger read out of the crank locality
-The crank trigger and independent igniter system is SUPERIOR to the classic distributor/single igniter Honda system
-There is no point to this besides being able to use the Honda dist
-The Nissan trigger in oem form reads the rotation of the crankshaft in smaller intervals than the Honda one does (this means MORE tune ability)
-PFC is 20/20 table, Haltech is 32/32 and soon to be even higher resolution. + you get 26 different correction maps, bar correction, air temp, and integrated closed loop everything if you want it (included boost control for like 90 buck solenoid). I mean at least get a microtech.
-LS1 Coil setup is far superior to this even while retaining 100% oem Nissan CAS

730 hp? Great I know oem nissan igniton can do that too and on a load bearing brake eddy dyno. and not just for a peak number at 9k.

I'm going to leave this thread now, ill come back when you have finished this and have dyno videos of the new honda setup and the car and proof that it is superior. thanks

-I have never had a honda distributor break a shaft.
-Yeah? You better tell that to Tony Palo that 9.3x on single coil and distributor. Coil packs do have a advanage, but nothing crazy.
-Yeah, no point. Cheap, proven system. Yep, no point
-hahah, You like pointing out shit that do not matter? I guess you have no experience, just what you read. Watch out internet warrior!!!!
-Neptune is 24x24 with 4 maps for main fuel maps. AND has all the correction tables you listed. It has closed loop boost control and PWM nitrous control. Opps, did I mess your game up? I have tuned them all. Power FC and microtech are a joke. MoTec is woth the money :)
-Yeah. I run LS1 coils on hondas too. You slip again? I thought nissan was good, why run GM parts?

Actually 830whp. Get it right. I never posted the dyno and the powerband it ALOT more then that.

Thank you. I am amused by how dumb you are. I guess if I was spoon fed info, I would be as hallow as a pipe too. :)

Some how I know you have some 350whp drift shitbox :)

[johngriff]

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

[MegasquirtCA]

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

You will have to ask julian, not me. I am just here to clear up the BS. I know we are using the same account.

[MegasquirtCA]

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

My first post answered your question, as well as several other times during this thread. MS is fine, how do you think I drive the car, definatly not on hopes and dreams?

Why are you guys still talking? I thought you guys were gonna get out of this thread?

Plus if MS did break its easy to repair, after all it was hand built by me and my friend.

[inertiaticism]

Maybe he just likes working on his fucking car and thought this would be fun to fuck around with.
I love nice hardware, and will probably save up for haltech when I get around to building a motor for my car that is worth having an EMS for but screwing around with stuff like this is fun.
Time may be money, but the day that my time becomes so scarce that I can't spare some to screw with my car for no apparent reason is the day that I realize my priorities are skewed.

For the record, I would probably just tune the CA ecu like S14DB said.
I would focus some of my effort on getting to the bottom of why my was eating CASes and ignitors and come up with a solution to the problem.

Fuck MS, I've run it on one of my own cars and installed on 2 others and got tired of it fast.
Some people really like it though, so w/e.

[steve shadows]

Some how I know you have some 350whp drift shitbox :)

Im a drag racer? where have you been.

I just got into grip recently.

Your reply to my points are just rambling.

I mentioned the LS1's because you the Haltech and other real EMS are setup to run them right out of the box, they are ready to accept the kit with a couple wires being inserted into the units pigtail.

Ive tuned cars with more output than my own car and I have tuned at least once every EMS you have probably seen on thei board or mentioned for gen pop use on nissans. It's not like i am talking completely out of my ass on this.

[steve shadows]

So what broke/was wrong with the megasquirt that you are doing this new ems setup?

John have you every head of a Nissan CAS breaking a shaft?

[MegasquirtCA]

Im a drag racer? where have you been.

I just got into grip recently.

Your reply to my points are just rambling.

I mentioned the LS1's because you the Haltech and other real EMS are setup to run them right out of the box, they are ready to accept the kit with a couple wires being inserted into the units pigtail.

Ive tuned cars with more output than my own car and I have tuned at least once every EMS you have probably seen on thei board or mentioned for gen pop use on nissans. It's not like i am talking completely out of my ass on this.



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[MegasquirtCA]

Im a drag racer? where have you been.

I just got into grip recently.

Your reply to my points are just rambling.

I mentioned the LS1's because you the Haltech and other real EMS are setup to run them right out of the box, they are ready to accept the kit with a couple wires being inserted into the units pigtail.

Ive tuned cars with more output than my own car and I have tuned at least once every EMS you have probably seen on thei board or mentioned for gen pop use on nissans. It's not like i am talking completely out of my ass on this.

Just got into grip? ahhh, That is cute!!!

They have run individual coils with a stock honda ECU, that make it a real EMS? In your terms, it does.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd output of a car defines the tuner. You know how I know you are a new tuner? You talk and talk about BS. You are. You are talking about a system you know nothing about. Then (in a way to show your age) crying about how people are not using the systems you like.

Facts are:

-You tune one series of motor, because you do not fully understand tuning. Just the tips and tricks of it.
-You are a loud mouth. You run your mouth about nothing.

Continue to post. This is your customer base. Look like more of a jackass. BTW, I read your tuning posts. Next post is pointing out your inexperience. Continue :)

I guess anyone can be a hardass on the internet :)

[johngriff]

YAY 77 posts, and not even 1 ounce of actual work done concerning the OP.

I love benchracing on the web.

Like I said before, go DO IT, stop posting online about "if's and buts"

[MegasquirtCA]

YAY 77 posts, and not even 1 ounce of actual work done concerning the OP.

I love benchracing on the web.

Like I said before, go DO IT, stop posting online about "if's and buts"

Wait, You and your buddy are talking shit. Do not try to change that.

You two should tryng be nice and open to ideas.

To add to your "no work has been done" That is not true. I have everything planned out, just wanting on time to do it all at once.

[johngriff]

You just want to pick a fight with me?

I'll dyno my ca in march.

On stock coils, and an emanage.

Blow you out of the box in tq and hp.

Bet you $50 bucks.

[MegasquirtCA]

BAwhahhahaha, You are sad. Dyno is a tuning tool, not a penis measurement.

Look, I will be nice. I hope the best with your CA and hope you make the power you want :) See, it is not that hard :)

[steve shadows]

actually it's a tuning tool and a penis measurement.

literally.

[MegasquirtCA]

actually it's a tuning tool and a penis measurement.

literally.

I guess to you, my friend :)

[steve shadows]

ok....again your taking this off topic not us.


Ive tuned a couple other engines besides the sr20det, I make my offer available to other engines all the time, I might be tuning a bmw cup car soon actually.

What progress have you made on your OP?

Like john says about benchracing. I don't know how Mega can even try to attack me.

I have a DYNO and I dyno tune cars pretty regular basis when I have free time, mostly for fun. In fact nothing I do is really benched, It's on the dyno, or on a track.

I am going to law school in the end I could give a shit about upkeeping my image people unwilling to do things right for themselves.

I post in order to try to help others avoid enless hours or pain, sandess and eventual giving up on their car hobby in dismay, not to make a quick buck and as you say "talk bs"

[iRONDONkey]

forget the haters. it is time for something out of the ordinary.

keep us posted!!

[steve shadows]

You really cannot get any more ordinary than the honda ignition.


Out of the ordinary was Matt Vasello in Florida putting together his own pre-shimmed solid lifter system for the SR20det motor that was ready to instal out of the box. That was innovation and engineering offered to the boards.

I really dont mean to flame anymore.

But I am curious about the power advantages of this system.

A dyno will have to be used to evaluate this. We can coordinate that when you are ready via the internet so you have a similar Baro input, weather station readings and other parameters to compare against John's numbers with the E-manage and stock nissan ignition system.

[importdude]

good luck,
neptune is by far one of the best programs using the stock honda ecu without getting into standalone ems

[MegasquirtCA]

ok....again your taking this off topic not us.


Ive tuned a couple other engines besides the sr20det, I make my offer available to other engines all the time, I might be tuning a bmw cup car soon actually.

What progress have you made on your OP?

Like john says about benchracing. I don't know how Mega can even try to attack me.

I have a DYNO and I dyno tune cars pretty regular basis when I have free time, mostly for fun. In fact nothing I do is really benched, It's on the dyno, or on a track.

I am going to law school in the end I could give a shit about upkeeping my image people unwilling to do things right for themselves.

I post in order to try to help others avoid enless hours or pain, sandess and eventual giving up on their car hobby in dismay, not to make a quick buck and as you say "talk bs"

Honsetly, all BS aside. You are not helping anyone. Let people do what they want to do. Add TECH where you think it is right. NOT the BS you have been posting.

I am well aware of what mega is doing. In fact, I am a mechanical engineer from a top school. I am glad you are going into law, good luck.

You started this. Next time, learn to talk with a filter. Someone will ALWAYS know more then you.

This is done, leave the thread and have a nice day.

[steve shadows]

How did I post any BS?

I posted facts.

I asked you if you were an engineering student, you never responded.

That changes everything

Just repeat this to yourself 100 times

"there is no longer such thing as original thought"



PS. We seriously want you to take up the offer to do a cross country Dyno competition. between myself A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR and you with the Honda system.

We will compare as listed above.

The Stock Nissan IGN
Honda Repl IGN

This is an closed invite to you and your entire school of engineers.

Just keep up the honor code! come on it will be fun.

[smokeybear]

honestly, i agree 100% with the guys who are supporting the haltech stuff. i personally think MS is a great system, opening the doors to people who want to learn to tune in a fairly easy manor. however i think you honda ecu/harness is literally pointless. if it wasn't for your buddy, the price of this "project" would be far more than buying a haltech or using your current MS setup. also, if you hate the CA, why swap it in?? i realize that hondata and the other honda programs may be great, but i really don't see any actual benefits to this. for the average joe to try this, it would be far too pricey for the returns you get (not sure what exactly the returns are, but im sure you see them) good luck and grats with your project, but i agree with 50% of these posts, its pointless.

[MegasquirtCA]

How did I post any BS?

I posted facts.

I asked you if you were an engineering student, you never responded.

That changes everything

Just repeat this to yourself 100 times

"there is no longer such thing as original thought"



PS. We seriously want you to take up the offer to do a cross country Dyno competition. between myself A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR and you with the Honda system.

We will compare as listed above.

The Stock Nissan IGN
Honda Repl IGN

This is an closed invite to you and your entire school of engineers.

Just keep up the honor code! come on it will be fun.

You just do not get it. You are using a DD of all dynos. I am glad you are going into law and not engineering. You would fail the first course :)

You ask Julian, not me BTW. As I stated before, I am using his account. Julian is not a engineer or anything.

You get worse and worse every post. Now you want to compare a true EMS to a hack? Your lack of experience is showing :)

[MegasquirtCA]

This is done, leave the thread and have a nice day.

Thank you. You should take your advice a few pages ago. :)

[S14DB]

You will have to ask julian, not me. I am just here to clear up the BS. I know we are using the same account.
You ask Julian, not me BTW. As I stated before, I am using his account. Julian is not a engineer or anything.

Register your own account. If you post on this one again I will ban it.

[steve shadows]

PS. We seriously want you to take up the offer to do a cross country Dyno competition. between myself A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR and you with the Honda system.

We will compare as listed above.

The Stock Nissan IGN
Honda Repl IGN

This is an closed invite to you and your entire school of engineers.

Just keep up the honor code! come on it will be fun.

Like I said. I extend my invite to compete with your entire Miami or whatever University Engineering department of engineers.

[MegasquirtCA]

Register your own account. If you post on this one again I will ban it.

Sorry, After this post, I am done with it.

Thank you.

[steve shadows]

thats it ?

you and your college fold like a match book?

Come on! I want competiton it will be fun!

[MegasquirtCA]

thats it ?

you and your college fold like a match book?

Come on! I want competiton it will be fun!


Theirs no competition, I have no doubt your setup will win. Simple reason is that im not spending more money to get the same turbo as you, pretty much the honor system is shot to shit cause shit can be manipulated. Theirs too many variables that will taint the results.

Its one thing if I tried different systems on the same motor and see which one made the most power, but like I said Im not dumping money just for a childs contest because your ego is hurt and you feel threatened. I'm tired of putting money into just 1 thing, so I stopped and built other non car related stuff and did traveling, shit that matters the most to me.

Pretty sad that you still act like a child, geeze man group up. Who the fuck does that shit, your just like those stupid middle school kids who constantly go around saying "Im gonna beat you up".



Innovation

Main Entry: in·no·va·tion http://webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?innova04.wav=innovation')) Pronunciation: ˌi-nə-ˈvā-shən Function: noun Date: 15th century 1 : the introduction of something new 2 : a new idea, method, or device

The classic definitions of innovation include:

the act of introducing something new: something newly introduced (The American Heritage Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Heritage_Dictionary_of_the_English_La nguage)).
the introduction of something new. (Merriam-Webster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merriam-Webster) Online)
a new idea, method or device. (Merriam-Webster Online)
the successful exploitation of new ideas (Department of Trade and Industry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Trade_and_Industry), UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)).
change that creates a new dimension of performance Peter Drucker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker) (Hesselbein, 2002)
the process of making improvements by introducing something new

[MegasquirtCA]

OH yea as for no work done.

I HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE CARS. I posted this shit 2 days ago. 2 fucking days, during the week too. It's called work and I have obligations that take up my time.

The best thing right now is too plan everything, have a game plan.

[steve shadows]

Your ME major, this should be a cake walk for you.

I was talking about John's CA setup with the same turbo as you same supporting mods. ;)

[S14DB]

This is just turning into a shooting match.

OP make a new thread when you have some progress done.