280Z V8 swap

[Antihero983]

anyone on here ever done a V8 swap into an old Z?

im looking into it, possible doing it on the cheap with a carburated 350.

[Oleh]

im doing one. check out hybridz.org

[nissanguy13]

There was a guy that did one in the hobby shop I use to work on my car

[Antihero983]

im doing one. check out hybridz.org

same username as on here?

[Oleh]

^ yes sir........

[kingkilburn]

Check vh45de.com There is a guy there with a vh in a 260z(I think that is the z he has). He uses it for autocross.
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Well I can't get the vid to work so search 450z on youtube.

(If a mod could get that video to work that would be cool to;) )

[Antihero983]

i was thinking moreso a carb'd SBC 350, so i dont have to worry about too much wiring and an ECU. otherwise, id just throw an RB in it and call it a day.

[posdriftin]

you could look on hybridz, zcar.com, and i think jags that run (jtr)has a kit to sit it as far back as possible.... easy swap though...

[300hp owen]

very common swap! "search" is your friend!

[Yuri]

Mark my words, S30's will be the new bandwagon by this time next year.

[JRas]

Mark my words, S30's will be the new bandwagon by this time next year.

disagree, we'll see if you're right though

to the op 240z or bust

[Antihero983]

Mark my words, S30's will be the new bandwagon by this time next year.

right.....or not.

i got offered the car for under a grand. im not a bandwagon jumper.

also, i searched, and am still searching. i just wanted to see if anyone has done one on here yet.

thats all.

[posdriftin]

Mark my words, S30's will be the new bandwagon by this time next year.


i agree and disagree... s30's and 510 are hot.. but alot of people can't afford to do them right and sell them half done...my z and 510's sold fast when i listed them and for over 5k... so there still alittle above 240sx prices... for under a grand if theres no rust in rockers in rear or rear hatch you good to go....for tech info i think hybridz or zcar would be best bet..gl man....let me know if you get stuck and i can help....

[Bushido]

theres not enough S30's left for them to be the new bandwagon.

[Antihero983]

i agree and disagree... s30's and 510 are hot.. but alot of people can't afford to do them right and sell them half done...my z and 510's sold fast when i listed them and for over 5k... so there still alittle above 240sx prices... for under a grand if theres no rust in rockers in rear or rear hatch you good to go....for tech info i think hybridz or zcar would be best bet..gl man....let me know if you get stuck and i can help....

eh, its got some rust and rot (like the hole in the driver's side floor) but ive wanted one since before i bought my 240sx four years ago.

its probably gonna be stock for awhile seeing as i have to still finish the 240.

and yeah, i cant tell you how much im paying for it until i have it. i'm getting it or stupid cheap.

[drift freaq]

theres not enough S30's left for them to be the new bandwagon.

True that they are becoming rarer even here in Cali where there used to be tons of them and 510's.
Though 280's are still somewhat common compared to a 240 or 260. I would say if you don't want to spend and not worry about smog get a 74 260. 280's still fall under smog laws while 240's and 260's are now exempt. you can put anything in them and you can't get harassed for it.

[sillyvia13]

Fricken newb search would ya!
probly never even see a 280z before...lol SARCASM LAID ON HEAVY!

It's a 280z 2+2 right?
I want the 2 seater only...shit's hott...

there's not many of these left in NH I can tell you that...one i seen here tho...color of the shiney green on money! so sick....dropping a rb26dett into it! SO CRAZY NICE!

well good luck with your project RED, your pops gonna help now that it's not a 4 banger?

[kingkilburn]

i was thinking moreso a carb'd SBC 350, so i dont have to worry about too much wiring and an ECU. otherwise, id just throw an RB in it and call it a day.
You can ask GSracer(I think thats his screen name) but I think its only like 15 or 16 wires to run it. If you run after market gauges it shouldn't be to hard in a car you don't have to smog. Makes me want to trade my car for a 240Z or 260Z:2f2f: :naughty: .

[DJButton]

If I could actually find a clean 240z my car would be gone in a hartbeat, same goes for a 510... alas I cannot. Joe I just sold my '79 280zx a couple months ago for $350! You should have just bought mine, it had rusty rails and rocker panels though, and a hole in the drivers side floor, engine was sooo mint though and the interior was brand new.

[NervGS]

ZX's are one of the ugliest cars ever.

They're like those girls in high school that were hot, but time wasn't so kind to them in the long run.

70 - 73: HOT.
74 - 78: Put quite a bit of weight on as time went by, and why the fuck is the 2x2 so hideous? Emissions = Fuel injection.
ZX: FUGLY.

I don't know what's worse, a 280zx or Z31 - 300zx.

-glenn

[Antihero983]

im buying a 2+2 :(

but hey!! its better than not owning a Z!!!!

[89singlecamnoob]

or you could be like this jerk in my hometown, and hoard all of them :(


(sorry about the absolute rubbish pictures)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1/T-Money_in_the_hizzle/P1000084.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1/T-Money_in_the_hizzle/P1000083.jpg

[Dirty Habit]

Bah. Never liked putting a V8 in a 240z.
Its not right. L28et or something. Opening up the engine bay to that clunky fucking thing would make me vomit.

[Bushido]

don't be stupid. V8 powered S30's can be awesome.

one of the greatest aspects of the S30 is you can fit pretty much anything in the bay. Jag V12? no problem.

[Antihero983]

i would never soil any car with the disease that is jaguar. ew.

and this isn't a permanent idea. i just wanted to research it to gt an idea what id be looking at.

[kingkilburn]

Bah. Never liked putting a V8 in a 240z.
Its not right. L28et or something. Opening up the engine bay to that clunky fucking thing would make me vomit.

From what I've looked into the VH weighs less with more power than any L series motor.

[ROUGE180]

or you could be like this jerk in my hometown, and hoard all of them :(


(sorry about the absolute rubbish pictures)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1/T-Money_in_the_hizzle/P1000084.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1/T-Money_in_the_hizzle/P1000083.jpg

Ummmm.. anyone up for a stealth mission? :coolugh: That's too much goodness for 1 person HAHAHA.. J/P.. But damn. that dude has like.. umm ALLL of them.

[x'ed]

Ls1, call it a day.

[sillyvia13]

Ls1, call it a day.
oh lord...I WISH!!!!!!

that dude has mad Datsun's above!
SHIT
I WANT ONE OF THEM, they look so nice,

[Airjockie]

I have 2 260Z's...red one and a yellow one... the yellow one will go up for sale soon...stupid cheap and has the bare minimums...just enough wires to keep it running, one window...the windshield, beat up, cut springs, gutted interior, lights removed and sheet metal rivet'ed on to make flush, and basically...just something to play with on a track. But I also have enough parts to bring it to the pimpest track car status in the states.... It's sitting at toms house on the trailer I bought with it, it was running, but I stole the carbs to get the red one running, but I might put them back with the yellow one.... but it hauled ass, and beat my red one at auto cross one day...so thats why I swore if it went up for sale, then I'll buy it and disable it, so I'll have a chance the next season...but my red Z went a different route from autocross...

The red one...well.. I'm about to rebuild it for the 3rd or 4th time...and it will also be stupid pimp and highly functional. Everything I stripped from my old white Z will end up in it...most is already, but I got to get a few more parts and clean out the garage to make room for the project, and I'm getting lazy lately, burned out from work. And right now the damn S-12 I bought is in the garage getting some minor upgrades...

Anything I have is for sale...and I have to much shit....when my gallery comes back online, then I'll post up what I have....

But the SBC idea is old, done, and lame. The hottest performing Z was an L28 with triple carbs, a HKS surge tank, a decent turbo, and a few extra go fast parts... It was in Okinawa, Blue, at the Dry hopps drag race, and Zeroyon had a vid, but the vid link s now dead, but pics of it are still online...I'll post them if I search for them again. But the setup I have for my Z will be a simple Haltech, L28ET, and I'm leaning towards ITB's. Should be fast enough and enough power to calm my speed cravings.:2f2f:

[Bushido]

i would never soil any car with the disease that is jaguar. ew.


the point im making is one of the best aspects of the s30 is the ability to fit in almost any engine, since the bay is so huge. It's kind of silly to limit yourself only to Nissan powerplants when the options are almost limitless.

sbc swaps aren't lame, there just isn't many of them done right... it's not really my style, but you can't deny that a big honkin' v8 in a sports car that weighs next to nothing isn't cool.

L28et's are neat, I like the flavor of an archaic turbo motor. I had one in my 76 280Z for a while:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20Z/myS302-turbo.jpg

[Airjockie]

This is the Z with the one of the best set-ups....

http://www.zeroyon.com/pics/031116-DryHopp/DSC00396.JPG

http://www.zeroyon.com/pics/031116-DryHopp/DSC00397.JPG

I wish the vid was still online somewhere...I think I have it on one of my dead computers....but here was the old link to it... second link down...

http://www.zeroyon.com/index/content/view/36/49/


It doesn't look like much, but if you saw the vid...you'd crap your pants on what it does.

[Antihero983]

airjockie, ive seen you on 240sxone, and was wondering when you'd pop up here ;)

[Airjockie]

I say lame because I'd rather see JDM in JDM cars, and USDM in USDM cars...

I have a neighbor that has a slightly built SBC he'd give me if I toss it in my car, but I'd rather just stick with the simple, pure Nissan engines for the simple old Z's... He'd prolly sell it to someone for $1200 and it has a blazer wrapped around it.

[Bushido]

^well, if you want to be a badge purist about it, you really shouldn't be modifying the car in the first place. Or if you were to, you should only use period correct modifications.

I can see where you're coming from with the "JDM only" attitude, but I respectfully disagree with it, all it does is limit your options...

and if you want to talk about pure and simple, it dosn't get much more simple than a small block chevy.


anyway,
blow-thru turbo setups are cool, but electronic fuel injection is obviously superior.

heres a sweet L31ET in action:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6465617191604514213

If it were me and I was decided on sticking with the L, it would be high comp carb'ed 3.1 N/A all the way...

pullin this one from the archives, a setup I wrote back in '98:


270-300rwhp on 11:1 (255-285rwhp 10.5:1) on N/A L31:

-E31 Head (port, polish, valves deshrouded, blended)
-N42 valves, 1.73/1.49 valves (3 angle lapped and radius)
-73 connecting rods (shot peened and balanced), ARP 9mm bolts
-Maxima diesel crank (balanced, checked for straightness, shot peened, and knife edged)
-89mm forged Ross pistons (11:1 compression if you want to run 110 octane/10.5:1 compression to run 93 octane)
-TWM individual throttle bodies
-TWM intake manifold
-TWM fuel rail
-440cc injectors
-Haltec E6k fuel management
-MSA header
-2.5" mandrel bent exhaust
-308/.550* cam (because of the cams lift you need new valve springs, retainers, keepers, and shimmed cam towers
arizonazcar.com sells a kit (springs, lash pads, keepers, rockers, and cam $599 (which is cheaper than if you buy each part separately)).

[Antihero983]

ok here's the official lowdown of what im buying.

1978 280Z 2+2
stock L28
good body
rotted floors.
front rims are ugly and different than the rears. rears are ugly too. but theyre decent width.

Ill post pics when the floors are somewhat fixed and i bring it home.

you guys would kill me if you found out how cheap i got it for.

[Airjockie]

airjockie, ive seen you on 240sxone, and was wondering when you'd pop up here ;)


I always just lurked here, it was the phatty 4 lug thread that made me want to post a tad...

I'm everywhere, researching, buying, and posting BS on other boards...my bookmarks are vast and well...slightly different than a normal car guys links.

[posdriftin]

This is the Z with the one of the best set-ups....

http://www.zeroyon.com/pics/031116-DryHopp/DSC00396.JPG




looks like the wheels are backwards (rears in front and fronts in rear)

nice s30 though... there is a none smog fairlady on my350z for sale if people are looking for a project... has rust... but at least its real..... gl with your build i z's are awesome ....if i had space i would have another one (the one for sale on zilvia)

[Airjockie]

Purist can be purist, but not era correct for these days...or for max performance. VG's VH's, VQ's for the V route, RB's and L's for the straight route...all are still Nissan, and fit's nice and snug in an old Z, and I'd even think about a decently built sr20det if I had the money. If someone tossed me an engine I'd run it, but Nissan has enough engines and performance to match most anything out there. So stick with what works well together...in most cases. I'd snag that SBC that my neighbor wants to toss into my car, but I'm too lazy to do the work and converting back after I blow that engine is a pain.

Era correct outside looks are sweet as hell, but under the hood is what matters. That logic has also gone obsolete, since nowadays we have so many different after market parts available... I'm even guilty... I have a set of wheels and tires that are twice the price I bought my Z for, and they are American Racing rims with German and Italian tires. And the Haltech I'll throw in is from Australia.... Go with what looks and works best together... what's lame for me might be the gag reflex for others or the cream pie's for someone else.

Opinions are like aXXholes..we all have one.

[Airjockie]

And this car is simple, but it cream's my pant's everytime I watch it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo0WeyGFSDA

[Airjockie]

For the ultimate purist...

http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/

[Airjockie]

ok here's the official lowdown of what im buying.

1978 280Z 2+2
stock L28
good body
rotted floors.
front rims are ugly and different than the rears. rears are ugly too. but theyre decent width.


you guys would kill me if you found out how cheap i got it for.

Prolly $200~~~free.

But if you need rims and tires, I can hook you up with something...:keke:

[Bushido]

Yeah, the spirit garage Z is cool.

Purist can be purist, but not era correct for these days...or for max performance. VG's VH's, VQ's for the V route, RB's and L's for the straight route...all are still Nissan...

Weren't you the one talking about a Merlin airplane engine in an S30? I thought i remember you saying something along the lines of "the best feature of the S30 is what is able to fit in it"..which I definitely agree with. This is the same Airjockie as the one on Ziptied right?

I can understand keeping it Nissan (my z will be RB powered), but why exclude other engines on the basis of where they were built?

its pretty stupid to dismiss this on the basis that it isn't JDM.
http://www.arizonazcar.com/KIPPERMAN412.jpg
i would get rid of the corvette logo on the engine cover though :keke:

[Antihero983]

thanks for the offer with the rims, but these ones, though mismatched, are decent sized for now. im gonna concentrate on what it needs first, ill go bonkers.

but 2 things that WILL be done.
1.fender flares like the ones above.
2.mirrors on the fenders.

[ThatGuy]

i would get rid of the corvette logo on the engine cover though :keke:

Part of my plan for the LS2...
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4329/77536839qj0.jpg
They are available without the sticker as well. I was thinking of painting most of it Silver, and adding a Nissan emblem to it. OEM-ish Stealth.

[NervGS]

You don't see many stroker setups today (or ever) since it made more sense to throw in a V8 in these things.

I will say though as an owner of a stroker, the sound, overall simplicity of the setup, and power they make is great for the street. I have yet to get it tuned to its maximum potential, but at around 220+ (I estimate) when it was somewhat running, it felt wonderful.

And at the price I set for the car - and its current condition, I'll never sell it.

And that's for a good reason.

-glenn

[Dirty Habit]

the point im making is one of the best aspects of the s30 is the ability to fit in almost any engine, since the bay is so huge. It's kind of silly to limit yourself only to Nissan powerplants when the options are almost limitless.

I agree totally, but every redneck with a mullet in N.C. owns a v8 powered 240z. Its getting harder and harder to find a somewhat unmolested Z. Building up the L or going with the let would be better than just doing the easy thing and putting the v8 in it.
Fun yeah, but I wouldn't respect the owner. Alot of guys on the z community wouldn't either.

[kingkilburn]

I agree totally, but every redneck with a mullet in N.C. owns a v8 powered 240z. Its getting harder and harder to find a somewhat unmolested Z. Building up the L or going with the let would be better than just doing the easy thing and putting the v8 in it.
Fun yeah, but I wouldn't respect the owner. Alot of guys on the z community wouldn't either.

The way you say it sounds like a roid free body builder talking about some guy juicing it. lol

[Airjockie]

Weren't you the one talking about a Merlin airplane engine in an S30? I thought i remember you saying something along the lines of "the best feature of the S30 is what is able to fit in it"..which I definitely agree with. This is the same Airjockie as the one on Ziptied right?



yup..same Airjockie...


I'd do a merlin engine, but there wouldn't be a diff that could hold up to it,....hehe

[kingkilburn]

You could ask this guy.
http://www.tractorpulling.de/weseke/df1.jpg

[Airjockie]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/187579052_aca6882a15.jpg?v=0

anything is possible I guess.....:2f2f:

[Antihero983]

we'll see.

minus the engine, i'd like it to kinda look very clean when its done. kinda like this one....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/z_28.jpg

or this one
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/260Z.jpg

[drift freaq]

^well, if you want to be a badge purist about it, you really shouldn't be modifying the car in the first place. Or if you were to, you should only use period correct modifications.

I can see where you're coming from with the "JDM only" attitude, but I respectfully disagree with it, all it does is limit your options...

and if you want to talk about pure and simple, it dosn't get much more simple than a small block chevy.


anyway,
blow-thru turbo setups are cool, but electronic fuel injection is obviously superior.

heres a sweet L31ET in action:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6465617191604514213

If it were me and I was decided on sticking with the L, it would be high comp carb'ed 3.1 N/A all the way...

pullin this one from the archives, a setup I wrote back in '98:


270-300rwhp on 11:1 (255-285rwhp 10.5:1) on N/A L31:

-E31 Head (port, polish, valves deshrouded, blended)
-N42 valves, 1.73/1.49 valves (3 angle lapped and radius)
-73 connecting rods (shot peened and balanced), ARP 9mm bolts
-Maxima diesel crank (balanced, checked for straightness, shot peened, and knife edged)
-89mm forged Ross pistons (11:1 compression if you want to run 110 octane/10.5:1 compression to run 93 octane)
-TWM individual throttle bodies
-TWM intake manifold
-TWM fuel rail
-440cc injectors
-Haltec E6k fuel management
-MSA header
-2.5" mandrel bent exhaust
-308/.550* cam (because of the cams lift you need new valve springs, retainers, keepers, and shimmed cam towers
arizonazcar.com sells a kit (springs, lash pads, keepers, rockers, and cam $599 (which is cheaper than if you buy each part separately)).

Eh, I beg to differ. Since I first started playing with Z cars in 1981. I can tell you that I saw Scarabs (real V8 Z's built by the shop) first hand. Most of those cars do not exist today. Why? Usually because the torque of the V8 ripped up the chassis.

Seriously if your going to drop a V8 in Z you better stich weld everything and cage that baby. If thats the case then you should just buy a old ITS or a VARA car. I also will argue against the stroker engines . They are dogs in the rev department.
Oh wait your talking about old Small block Chevy's, as well not that great in the rev department either, lol.

Ok on to your to your mumbo jumbo talk about keeping the engine install it a vintage age engine if its a Nissan.
That and only That, Applies when one is putting a original number block and the stock head back in the car with built internals. Once you get into changing the bottom end to a newer bottom end or the doggish L28ET well then it really does not matter.

Stick a RB in that baby. Both RB25's and 26's are direct descendants of the L series engine. So by your logic you still would be keeping it original. Plus if anyone wants something remotely close to a 432ZG engine(s20) wise than a RB is the order of the day. After years of playing with multi carb setups, I can honestly say fuel injection wins every day. imo

before you go off let me sum it up
Want a original vintage car? Keep the engine stock block and head withe SU's.
Want a collectable but modified? Stick a RB in it and at stock boost your done.
Want a stupid drag strip machine thats worthless otherwise drop a SBC in.

ya I did not mention SR because to me the SR looks silly in that large engine compartment.

Its up to you, but your arguement fails when you start talking about sticking newer doggier L28's or L28 strokers in the car.
Those engines sucked when they came out and they still suck today. They were a bottom end only smog engine.
Oh ya and your horsepower numbers while decent come at to much of cost these days.

[Bushido]

ehh... bummer that it's a 2+2... but at least your head is in the right place.

some more pics for the hell of it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/Dsc00022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/240Z.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/DSC02630.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/z_aka1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/DSC02541.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/Dsc00012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/car%20pics/IMG_0004.jpg

[Antihero983]

i will be going down tonight to go through the car even further, and will be taking pics!!!

[Bushido]

Eh, I beg to differ. Since I first started playing with Z cars in 1981. I can tell you that I saw Scarabs (real V8 Z's built by the shop) first hand. Most of those cars do not exist today. Why? Usually because the torque of the V8 ripped up the chassis.

Seriously if your going to drop a V8 in Z you better stich weld everything and cage that baby...

Absolutely, the S30 chassis is way flexy, I've broken 2 radiators (pre cage) in my 280z just because of the chassis flex ripping them apart.
If you just think that you can bolt in a V8 without strengthening a 30+ year old flexy datsun chassis, you should step back and think things through.


I also will argue against the stroker engines. They are dogs in the rev department.
Oh wait your talking about old Small block Chevy's, as well not that great in the rev department either, lol.


Hah, how much actual experience do you have with L strokers? They are definitely not "dogs" in the rev dept.
case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3DZDLgr0YY
The L is no F20C, but i wouldn't exactly call it a dog. Most don't make power above 5500RPM, but with proper head porting, cam shaft selection, intake manifold along with proper tuning you can transform the sluggish low revving nature of it.

but Rev's do not necessarily equal power, you don't need revs to make power with a big honkin V8, or a well setup stroker L.
Why are we talking about rev's again?


Stick a RB in that baby. Both RB25's and 26's are direct descendants of the L series engine.


I agree with you there and i've started my RB transplant already.



After years of playing with multi carb setups, I can honestly say fuel injection wins every day. imo


no doubt about it, but there is something special about tripple carbs on an L, the sound is sweeter than any EFI setup, and I love the instant response.
plus, i get alot of gratification from tuning carbs and getting them running perfect, it's almost an art.



Its up to you, but your arguement fails when you start talking about sticking newer doggier L28's or L28 strokers in the car.
Those engines sucked when they came out and they still suck today. They were a bottom end only smog engine.
Oh ya and your horsepower numbers while decent come at to much of cost these days.

you must have fabricated that argument, cause I never said anything like that. While the L never was the most technologically advanced engine around, its hard to deny its charm... for me anyway.

[Dirty Habit]

G-nose for the win!!!

[Antihero983]

ok the engine is SO on the bottom of my list....this thing is worse than i fathomed....but its fixable...i think. here's the pics i took so far, my camera died halfway through :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/280Zpics001.jpg

[Gjohnson7]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20Z/myS302-turbo.jpg

Man. What year is this 280Z? That sucker is hott!!!

[Bushido]

^thats my 76. I also have a 73 240Z.


RedEvilRPS13 (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=31685), ehhh, it's not TOO bad... but the only way to cure that kind of rust is to completely dismantle the thing and get behind all the panels, since it's pretty much in all the common spots, i know its slowly growing on the insides...

check out the frame rails with scrutiny, make sure their solid, thats the most vital thing...
i don't know how much you are getting this thing for, but maybe you want to wait it out a little longer.. I looked at 15+ Z's before deciding on my first, and i'm glad I did.

2+2 aka humpback whale kills it for me... i personally don't think it's worth all the work getting that thing rust-free, since its a 2+2.

But if you do decide to rip it apart and redo it, paint it back to the original blue! I love that color.

[HyperTek]

its a 280z, has rust, and its a 2+2
it was undesired at birth

lmao yah man you can do better if your going to do a project Z. Get a better chassis, earlier the year the better. If not, get one that is super clean. You can always retro fit 240z body panals, bumpers, rear tail lights onto it.

[Bushido]

^hes got a point.

actually, id say start with a later model Z if you could, much better rigidity to begin with, same body panels, beefier suspension, fuel tank ready for EFI, and similar weight once you get rid of the bumpers.

[DJButton]

If it really is that stupid cheap and the frame rails are somewhat solid then it should be worth fixing, needs new floors but that's not surprising, good luck with it man, the one I got rid of was worse, well the floors were intact but the rocker panels and frame were junk. :ugh:

[Antihero983]

eh the framerails dont looks good at ALL :(

we'll see.

[drift freaq]

I would not touch that thing with a ten foot pole. I would side with Bushido and Hypertek pass on that one. Its got to many negatives,rust+2+2=super fail.

[300hp owen]

there is a beautiful LS1 240z in town here and its a wildly great car, so clean and so simple but so fast and menacing.

the LS1 swap is so nice and modern, gobs of power and that superbly stout T56 sixspeed tranny!!!!!!!!!!!!!

super ropa dopa.

[Antihero983]

I would not touch that thing with a ten foot pole. I would side with Bushido and Hypertek pass on that one. Its got to many negatives,rust+2+2=super fail.

yea, i dunno. we'll see. im paying 250% for it. i cant seem to find another old Z period and i REFUSE TO GET A ZX. i hate the bloated Z31s.

[Airjockie]

yea, i dunno. we'll see. im paying 250% for it. i cant seem to find another old Z period and i REFUSE TO GET A ZX. i hate the bloated Z31s.

pass on that like you would pass on a hooker with sores.

When Tom finally gets around to hooking up a truck to the yellow Z I have and brings it to my house, Ill take some pics and send them to you.... even in it's stripped condition, it will turn out as a better project than that one your looking at. If anything, snag it if you have the room to keep it, and use it for parts to refresh the yellow one.

[brewster240]

my cousin's is for sale.

if you promise to keep airjockie away from it ill get you the details.

73 240, none of that 2+2 nonsense

[Antihero983]

my cousin's is for sale.

if you promise to keep airjockie away from it ill get you the details.

73 240, none of that 2+2 nonsense

lemme know. pm me with details.

to be honest, my uncle used to have an awesome 260Z back in the day, and i never understood his obsession with it. but now that ive even sat in an O.G. Z, i get it, and i want one to go with my S13.

PS. part of me just wants to fix the floor, and drive the thing until i can find a better one lol

[Airjockie]

if you promise to keep airjockie away from it ill get you the details.




:tweak: :blah:

[Dirty Habit]

its a 280z, has rust, and its a 2+2
it was undesired at birth

That should have been said from the start.

Your going to spend a shit load of money fixing all that rust...and thats just on what you can see. Theres probably plenty more hiding out underneath and in places like your battery tray area, if your lucky enough to still have one.
Its rare to find a somewhat nice Z for a good deal these days.
I wouldn't spend the time or effort on this two plus. Remember where it is for parts if needed, but you'll regret buying it if you do. Save up, put your money into a solid start. I started looking for my S130 my freshman year of high school before I found a nice one my senior year.

Ps. Everyone cutting on the z31 should check the car pic thread in the ot forums..

[drift freaq]

That should have been said from the start.

Your going to spend a shit load of money fixing all that rust...and thats just on what you can see. Theres probably plenty more hiding out underneath and in places like your battery tray area, if your lucky enough to still have one.
Its rare to find a somewhat nice Z for a good deal these days.
I wouldn't spend the time or effort on this two plus. Remember where it is for parts if needed, but you'll regret buying it if you do. Save up, put your money into a solid start. I started looking for my S130 my freshman year of high school before I found a nice one my senior year.

Ps. Everyone cutting on the z31 should check the car pic thread in the ot forums..

Why? Some of us just don't like Z31's, myself included. A S30 just owns a Z31 in the looks department. IMO.
Hell I think a S30 owns a S13 in the looks department as well. There I said it. chew on that!

[Antihero983]

ive driven several Z31s, turbo and non, and even the Z31SS, and i cannot stand how they drive, the old S30 Zs are just badass and more of a pure jap sports car.

im gonna start saving up for a nice one, even though im doing a swap to my s13 year

[brewster240]

i would stell get the 2+2. patch it up and make a driver out of it.

if you dont want it, pass the info my way.

here's my cousins, hes asking 6500, dont know if thats in your price range.

http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/photopost/data/500/839mikeymisc_151-med.jpg
http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/photopost/data/500/839mikeymisc_152-med.jpg

triple webers, full length header, 2.5 exhaust, electric fuel pump, brand new clutch, newer paint, carb hood, autopower roll bar, brand new upolstery on the seat, nardi or something wheel etc.

[Antihero983]

lol there's no way in hell i can afford that.

i just bought plane tickets and whatnot for my trip to england...

fuck it. ill buy the 2+2 and drive the bitch. and ill learn how to weld on it.

[brewster240]

perfect.

at least put it to some use.

[Dirty Habit]

I think you guys misunderstood me. I like 280's, I don't like 2+2's..in any of the z bodies...

Either way, I still think youll be disapointed you didnt wait. Your $ though, and its still a Z. Enjoy!

[brewster240]

his money?

while i agree the 2+2 is horrendous, i hardly think the 250 he is spending is regretable for a car he can drive around and beat on, and learn how to weld etc.

not to mention parts when he gets another.

[DJButton]

Exactly right, for that little it's worth it for the learning, if anything he can probably get his money back out of and gain some experience too. I bought a 280 under similar circumstances, had it for a half a year, learned some and passed it on.

[HyperTek]

ok for 250 or so its ok. Hopefully it wont cost much to keep it running or leave you stranded, that could be a headache. In that case I guess its cool.. soo many times ive had to work on my car and have been left with no ride while the car was down.

[Antihero983]

ok for 250 or so its ok. Hopefully it wont cost much to keep it running or leave you stranded, that could be a headache. In that case I guess its cool.. soo many times ive had to work on my car and have been left with no ride while the car was down.

well my s13 leaves me stranded as it is lol so i hope the Z wont be as bad.

[fueled by hate]

Did no one post this yet?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTxlidWY4pM

[fueled by hate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrjJj8pklg

[WagDatto]

The rust on that thing is typical of the rust on 510's. The good thing is that from the pictures you showed, there doesn't look to be much there that 'some dude and a welder' couldn't take care of. You'll end up cutting out the floorboards and making a new one, which isn't too hard, and the spare tire, I'd suggest either just replacing it with a flat sheet of metal, or mounting a fuel cell back there while you're at it!

Good luck, man, glad to see more classic Nissans being taken care of!

[Antihero983]

im not going to get it rust free. just gonna get rid of the floor rot and such.

[deolio]

i don't think anyone has posted this yet. vh45de 240z (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/563982)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzKrmU0j1NU

[240sx_sr20det]

^^ get that white one, it's so badass

[kingkilburn]

Deolio I tried to post a video of that car but couldn't get it to work.

[LS240]

Eh, I beg to differ. Since I first started playing with Z cars in 1981. I can tell you that I saw Scarabs (real V8 Z's built by the shop) first hand. Most of those cars do not exist today. Why? Usually because the torque of the V8 ripped up the chassis.

Hehehe, nice to see someone actually knows what they are. My Dad owns an original Scarab Z, number 153 in the production run of around 250 cars. It's a 327 car with the extremely rare full widebody package. He bought it from the original owner a couple years ago. The owner said that he had been in contact with the production manager from the Scarab factory, who apparently is just about the only person that could be considered anything close to a historian on the cars, and he said that he could only confirm the existence of 9 cars left in North America. We haven't made an attempt to verify that claim, but either way, it's an extremely rare car. It's pretty cool to walk out to the garage and see that thing sitting there, even if it does need a full restoration.

As far as V8 swaps in general, I would say, if you can afford it, do an LS1 swap. Due to being all-aluminum, they're extremely light. You would probably drop several hundred pounds from the front of the car just by doing the swap.

As you can probably tell from the screen name, an LS swap is what I plan for my 240SX. :naughty:

[turtle m3th]

^^^ I believe that car you posted is rockin a VH45DE from an infiniti not a VQ45DE

[kingkilburn]

^^^ I believe that car you posted is rockin a VH45DE from an infiniti not a VQ45DE

That is correct.

[Airjockie]

This is the Z with the one of the best set-ups....

http://www.zeroyon.com/pics/031116-DryHopp/DSC00396.JPG

http://www.zeroyon.com/pics/031116-DryHopp/DSC00397.JPG

I wish the vid was still online somewhere...I think I have it on one of my dead computers....but here was the old link to it... second link down...

http://www.zeroyon.com/index/content/view/36/49/


It doesn't look like much, but if you saw the vid...you'd crap your pants on what it does.


bringing this thread back to life.... I booted up the old computer, found the vid and uploaded it.... Worth a thread revival anyways...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/zeroyonNov03DryHoppDivx_172701.htm

watch around the 4:36 area...hehe.. :wackit:

[Mensaf]

I'm happy to see that setup and that speed without the O.S. Giken head. Stuff like this is keeping me from selling the Z.